10-05-2017, 04:30 PM (This post was last modified: 10-05-2017, 04:41 PM by Mystic Wanderer.)
Going over this thread from the start, I see they are already taking down some of the important videos we've posted.
Guess you better hurry and watch what has been posted before they are gone too.
Here's one that I think was posted earlier, but was removed. Watch it before it disappears again!
10-05-2017, 05:35 PM (This post was last modified: 10-05-2017, 05:36 PM by Mystic Wanderer.)
An interesting question, why were the lights left on while the shooter was active, but as soon as he stopped the lights were turned off?
People couldn't see where to go, EMTs couldn't see where they were needed.
Was someone on the ground involved to help to cause more chaos?
If you have a Face Book account, you can watch this video, but I warn you, it is VERY GRAPHIC!
(10-05-2017, 03:51 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: The company describe themselves as “a premier global advisory firm focused on security and risk management. Whose professionals include former Cabinet-level officials, senior intelligence and national security officers, private-equity CEOs, and experienced investment bankers from the most distinguished Wall Street firms.
For those organizations that require tactical security support, we work hand-in-hand with clients to conduct comprehensive security assessments, establish effective risk management frameworks, and build more resilient organizations capable of navigating today’s threat environment.”
From my perspective, that phrase right there is the most troubling - "for those organizations that require tactical security support". "Tactical" implies operators on the ground, black-suited trigger pullers. Black suited trigger pullers who are NOT sworn law enforcement. That is a potentially troubling development.
I was affiliated with an organization that could be a model for what they have in mind a few years ago when I was doing armed security. That organization deployed both sworn law enforcement and unsworn security at the same time, in the same vehicles. The rationale was that as unsworn "citizens", the armed security could do things the sworn officers could not, and conversely, the sworn officers had powers the security did not - for example, powers of arrest. On the other hand, the security officers did not have limited jurisdiction as the sworn officers did.
That could be conceived of as a match made in hell, if abused.
The difference is, what I was involved in was on a small scale, purely local. On a national scale, that could become a national nightmare. It's what I was afraid DHS was heading towards with their "Fusion Centers", and lo and behold, here is Chertoff and company still pushing it. That could potentially be bad, very bad - what amounts to mercenaries operating on domestic soil with legal backing.
I've done that sort of thing, both domestically and foreign, but back then if it was overseas it was "employment", while the same thing done here was "criminal activity". In the 90's, that began to change with this merger, albeit on a small scale, of governmental power with private freedom of action lending government legitimacy to private action. I'm telling you right now that on a small scale that is not too problematic, as oversight is much easier, but on a larger scale it can be disastrous, as there is much, MUCH less oversight possible, and accountability goes out the window.
One thing to remember is that those trigger-pullers are not the only trigger pullers on the block. there are others around who've been there, done that, set the t-shirt on fire and walked away... but that doesn't mean they forgot everything they ever knew. We should expect opposition to arise if they try to put a plan like that in motion, perhaps really rowdy opposition, because when the shit gets deep, there are those around who will try to swim or at least keep their heads above drowning level, and some of those know how to do it just as well as the ones trying to push it.
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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.
Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’
It's plausible, and would explain some intractable questions, but not really likely as presented, in my opinion. Thee are too many internal inconsistencies in the alleged "information", and that makes it highly suspect, at least to me.
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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.
Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’
(10-05-2017, 04:30 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: Going over this thread from the start, I see they are already taking down some of the important videos we've posted.
Guess you better hurry and watch what has been posted before they are gone too.
Here's one that I think was posted earlier, but was removed. Watch it before it disappears again!
Questionable presentation. The way it is chopped up and edited, without connecting video between the two sets of shots, smacks of an edit job to promote an agenda and prevent people from actually connecting the dots. The continuous videos I've watched of the event all and invariably sound exactly like it would sound of one was being shot at from a distance - the crack and thump of an actual gunfire incident. I'm not discounting the possibility of multiple shooters, but what I've seen so far of CONTINUOUS videos do not indicate such. Only the chopped up and edited ones would lead anyone to that conclusion, which makes me wonder if the "near shots" in those particular videos may not have been dubbed in to promote an agenda.
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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.
Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’
(10-05-2017, 05:35 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: An interesting question, why were the lights left on while the shooter was active, but as soon as he stopped the lights were turned off?
People couldn't see where to go, EMTs couldn't see where they were needed.
Was someone on the ground involved to help to cause more chaos?
If you have a Face Book account, you can watch this video, but I warn you, it is VERY GRAPHIC!
Thanks for the link, but I won't be watching it. Although I've got a Facebook account, I've never been able to watch video on it, probably because of my anti-scripting measures. Furthermore, Facebook is a known tracker and data miner, and this could likely be a click-bait data miner, to find out just WHO is looking for videos such as this one. For what purpose, I can only speculate.
P.S. - Youtube tracks you, too, through your Google account if you have it active.
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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.
Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’
10-05-2017, 08:44 PM (This post was last modified: 10-05-2017, 08:45 PM by Mystic Wanderer.)
(10-05-2017, 08:27 PM)Ninurta Wrote:
(10-05-2017, 04:30 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: Going over this thread from the start, I see they are already taking down some of the important videos we've posted.
Guess you better hurry and watch what has been posted before they are gone too.
Here's one that I think was posted earlier, but was removed. Watch it before it disappears again!
Questionable presentation. The way it is chopped up and edited, without connecting video between the two sets of shots, smacks of an edit job to promote an agenda and prevent people from actually connecting the dots. The continuous videos I've watched of the event all and invariably sound exactly like it would sound of one was being shot at from a distance - the crack and thump of an actual gunfire incident. I'm not discounting the possibility of multiple shooters, but what I've seen so far of CONTINUOUS videos do not indicate such. Only the chopped up and edited ones would lead anyone to that conclusion, which makes me wonder if the "near shots" in those particular videos may not have been dubbed in to promote an agenda.
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@"Ninurta"
Here is the unedited version. I have to say, it sounds too close to be the same gunfire to me. I'm no expert though. You might be right, but... I don't know.
10-05-2017, 08:51 PM (This post was last modified: 10-05-2017, 08:54 PM by Mystic Wanderer.)
(10-05-2017, 08:35 PM)Ninurta Wrote:
(10-05-2017, 05:35 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: An interesting question, why were the lights left on while the shooter was active, but as soon as he stopped the lights were turned off?
People couldn't see where to go, EMTs couldn't see where they were needed.
Was someone on the ground involved to help to cause more chaos?
If you have a Face Book account, you can watch this video, but I warn you, it is VERY GRAPHIC!
Thanks for the link, but I won't be watching it. Although I've got a Facebook account, I've never been able to watch video on it, probably because of my anti-scripting measures. Furthermore, Facebook is a known tracker and data miner, and this could likely be a click-bait data miner, to find out just WHO is looking for videos such as this one. For what purpose, I can only speculate.
P.S. - Youtube tracks you, too, through your Google account if you have it active.
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Yeah, it wasn't the kind that offers a link to share here. You have to copy/paste the link into the address bar to get it to come up. Then you have to click on a link that says to uncover the video, where it warns of it's graphic nature. It was just showing how the lights were turned on after the singer left the stage, making it easy for the gunman to see his targets, then they turned them off after he stopped shooting, making it too dark to see how to help people... or, maybe 'someone' in the crowd needed to escape?
10-05-2017, 09:29 PM (This post was last modified: 10-05-2017, 09:31 PM by BIAD.)
Quote:Las Vegas sheriff: gunman planned to survive and may have had help.
'Las Vegas police said there was evidence gunman Stephen Paddock intended to survive and escape his deadly attack at a country music festival on Sunday, and revealed that he also rented an apartment overlooking another music festival that took place in the city the previous weekend.
The disclosures were among several new details revealed by Sheriff Joseph Lombardo, who also strayed into speculation that the man believed responsible for the deadliest mass shooting in modern US history had help.
“Do you think this was all accomplished on his own?” Lombardo asked, noting the arsenal of weapons the shooter amassed, and the discovery of explosives in his car. He added: “You’ve got to make the assumption he had to have some help at some point.”
He said that the suspected killer, a 64-year-old retiree and gambler, rented a luxury room through Airbnb overlooking the Life is Beautiful music festival, another Las Vegas festival which occurred the week before the Route 91 Harvest music festival he eventually targeted.
Lombardo also said he had seen evidence that Paddock may have intended to survive his killing spree from the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino, which he used as a base for the attack. The sheriff did not say what the evidence was.
The remarks were made at press conference that raised as many questions as it answered and suggested that, 72 hours after the attack, after extensively interviewing Paddock’s girlfriend, Marilou Danley, and examining his computers, investigators remain genuinely baffled about his motives.
Paddock’s killing spree resulted in 58 victims and injured at least 489 people. The updated casualty numbers were the most recent given by authorities on Wednesday night.
Lombardo had previously said law enforcement believed Paddock had perpetrated “a solo act”. But on Wednesday, he appeared to change his position. His speculation about the possibility Paddock was aided came after an exchange in which he conceded investigators had not been able to identify any “person of interest” other than Danley.
He said investigators were, however, pressing to find others who may have been involved. It was possible that Paddock was “a super guy” who was “working out all of this on his own”, Lombardo said. But he added: “It would be hard for me to believe that.”
The comment appeared to earn a veiled rebuke from the agent overseeing the FBI’s investigation.
“Theories are great and everyone can have a theory,” said Aaron Rouse, who runs the bureau’s Las Vegas division, and took to the lectern immediately after the sheriff’s comments. “But I need to deal with facts. The sheriff needs to deal with facts.” He added: “He’s not going to make assumptions. I’m not going to make assumptions.”
Rouse said the FBI was working with “a number of theories”, but was not prepared to publicise them. Rouse was considerably more cautious in his remarks than the sheriff, refusing to reveal what Danley said after she returned to the US on Wednesday from the Philippines to be questioned by agents. The FBI agent declined even to say whether Danley remains “a person of interest”.
Danley, 62, released a statement after being interviewed by FBI agents, saying she had no idea of the massacre her partner was plotting when he sent her abroad to be with her family. “It never occurred to me in any way whatsoever that he was planning violence against anyone,” she said in a statement read out by her lawyer. “He never said anything to me or took any action that I was aware of that I understood in any way to be a warning that something horrible like this was going to happen.”
Lombardo, in another surprising remark, appeared to cast doubt over those comments when he said at the press conference: “Any person put in her situation would probably answer in the same way.”
In addition to the sheriff’s speculation, there were also a handful of previously undisclosed facts revealed at the press conference, including new details about events in the days and hours leading up to the shooting.
Lombardo said that Paddock had reserved a room via Airbnb at the Ogden luxury apartment complex, which overlooked the site of the Life is Beautiful festival, an event over the previous weekend that featured acts such as Gorillaz and Lorde. The sheriff did not say when the room was booked, and said he did not know “what was in his mind”. “Was he doing pre-surveillance?” he said. “We don’t know yet.”
Lombardo also revealed the crucial role played by a security guard, who helped locate Paddock, on the 32nd floor, just over 10 minutes after he began shooting at concertgoers. Paddock, who had set up multiple cameras outside his room to monitor the corridor, shot as many as 200 rounds through the door, injuring the guard.
Swat teams did not penetrate the hotel suite Paddock was using for another hour, but Lombardo stressed that there were no unintended delays. “It was purposeful,” he said, explaining that police decided to take their time to clear surrounding rooms of guests when they realised Paddock had stopped firing.
Upon entering the room, they discovered Paddock had killed himself. Lombardo also said they discovered several containers of explosives and 1,600 rounds of additional ammunition in his car. Lombardo described Paddock, who he revealed was gambling at the casino hours before the attack, as a “disturbed and dangerous” man who had apparently led a “secret life” that left few clues about his actions.
He confirmed that investigators were exploring whether there was some incident in October 2016 that would explain why, in the year that followed, he purchased some 33 new weapons.
But he gave the impression that Las Vegas and the FBI have been left flummoxed by the case, saying Paddock did not appear to conform to the profile of other mass murderers. “We haven’t understood it yet,” he said. “You have to be patient with us.”...'
Quote:'...Another neighbor, Susan Page, who moved next door to the couple this summer, said she had not seen them since August. Paddock had recently bought a new silver minivan, she said, and Danley drove an SUV.
On the third week of August, Paddock left the house. Soon after, Page said, Danley packed up her car as well, as if she were moving away...'
Isn't it odd that she 'packed up' her car...? Is this how millionaires behave?!
Quote:He said investigators were, however, pressing to find others who may have been involved. It was possible that Paddock was “a super guy” who was “working out all of this on his own”, Lombardo said. But he added: “It would be hard for me to believe that.”
The comment appeared to earn a veiled rebuke from the agent overseeing the FBI’s investigation.
“Theories are great and everyone can have a theory,” said Aaron Rouse, who runs the bureau’s Las Vegas division, and took to the lectern immediately after the sheriff’s comments. “But I need to deal with facts. The sheriff needs to deal with facts.”
TRUE, but it sounds like Rouse is trying to take the public's attention off the idea that there was more than one shooter, as the sheriff suggested.
Wonder why?
Could it be the FBI "sting gone wrong" could be true? I doubt ANY agent is going to step up and speak the truth if that's the case, therefore, NO FACTS will be available to work with and this shooting will remain a mystery to those who are asleep.
Yes, that is odd. It's odd, at least, for someone who believed they were merely going on a vacation to visit home. That, coupled with the $100,000 dollars Paddock wired to the Philippines so that Danley "and her family could buy a house" would seem to indicate that she may have known more than she is letting on. It does sound, on the face of it, like there was a plan in place, even back then.
Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.
Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’
(10-05-2017, 10:12 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: From @"BIAD"'s post,
Quote:He said investigators were, however, pressing to find others who may have been involved. It was possible that Paddock was “a super guy” who was “working out all of this on his own”, Lombardo said. But he added: “It would be hard for me to believe that.”
The comment appeared to earn a veiled rebuke from the agent overseeing the FBI’s investigation.
“Theories are great and everyone can have a theory,” said Aaron Rouse, who runs the bureau’s Las Vegas division, and took to the lectern immediately after the sheriff’s comments. “But I need to deal with facts. The sheriff needs to deal with facts.”
TRUE, but it sounds like Rouse is trying to take the public's attention off the idea that there was more than one shooter, as the sheriff suggested.
Wonder why?
Could it be the FBI "sting gone wrong" could be true? I doubt ANY agent is going to step up and speak the truth if that's the case, therefore, NO FACTS will be available to work with and this shooting will remain a mystery to those who are asleep.
Well, to be fair, Lombardo didn't say anything at all about "more than one shooter". All he suggested was that Paddock either "had help" or was a "superman". "Help" doesn't necessarily mean more shooters, and more shooters would probably be counterproductive in this scenario, although it is certainly possible. People to run interference, create confusion, and move materiel would be a lot more useful than another shooter or two. 80% of any army are people who are "helping", for example in logistics, rather than people who are shooting.
An example of "people who are helping" are whomever was calling in all the false reports of mass shooters here, there, and everywhere in the two weeks leading up to the shooting and intensely doing so that night, just before the shooting. .That creates confusion among the first responders, and draws them off to other areas so that the shooting can proceed unimpeded.
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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.
Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’
Quote:Well, to be fair, Lombardo didn't say anything at all about "more than one shooter". All he suggested was that Paddock either "had help" or was a "superman". "Help" doesn't necessarily mean more shooters, and more shooters would probably be counterproductive in this scenario, although it is certainly possible. People to run interference, create confusion, and move materiel would be a lot more useful than another shooter or two. 80% of any army are people who are "helping", for example in logistics, rather than people who are shooting.
An example of "people who are helping" are whomever was calling in all the false reports of mass shooters here, there, and everywhere in the two weeks leading up to the shooting and intensely doing so that night, just before the shooting. .That creates confusion among the first responders, and draws them off to other areas so that the shooting can proceed unimpeded.
Yes, you are right. I made a poor choice of words. "Helpers" is a much better description.
However, there are multiple witnesses who say they know beyond a shadow of a doubt, 100%, that there was more than one shooter. And then, there's that guy that got shot behind that building where a bullet couldn't have reached at that angle coming from the hotel window. So, I guess I just had "shooters" on my mind when I chose that word.
10-06-2017, 03:06 PM (This post was last modified: 10-06-2017, 03:50 PM by BIAD.)
And the plot thickens...
The Vegas Plot Thickens: The Connection Between The Shooter And An Intelligence Agency
Quote:On the surface, the tweet doesn’t say much. But how much can Mike Toke really say in a limited amount of characters? But what he does manage is enough to get anyone seeking the truth to follow all these leads and look into everything that the media and our government continues to hide from us. It’s what’s embedded in the tweet that counts.
Quote:BREAKING: Users on /pol/ have discovered flight records and a plane that belonged to the Las Vegas Shooter. It is connected to an intelligence contractor who's owner previously worked for the Obama administration. pic.twitter.com/T7RMrEfTuV
— Mike Tokes (@MikeTokes) October 4, 2017
Looking closely, the first thing you will notice is that the shooter, Stephen Paddock, had a pilot license and owned two planes. This is well-established fact. The tail number of one of those planes is N5343M, a Cirrus SR-20. You can see that this was owned by Paddock by going to the website Flightaware.com. But Paddock doesn’t own this plane anymore. It was grounded three years ago, and it’s now in the hands of none other than Volant LLC, which there is little information on.
However, Volant Associates is none other than a Department of Defense contractor. Meaning Paddock’s plane has been in the hands of the United States government for the past three years and grounded since – if Volant LLC is being used as a way to hide information. Considering what Volant Associates does, that wouldn’t be so far fetched. But the plane’s information is all easily verified here on Flightaware.com. It’s been in Roanoke, Virginia since April 25, 2014.
The registration of this plane is also listed as “active” even though it hasn’t been flown in three years. Strange enough yet? Well, it gets even better. The FAA should have this same information. But they don’t. Their website shows that a different aircraft, a Cessna 152, maintains that tail number and it was last registered to a person in San Diego, California. The FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) is a government agency, and it appears that it has scrubbed this plane’s information. Now, why would they do that?
What all this means is entirely speculation right now. But isn’t is strange that this information is being kept from the public, and those who seek the truth are stuck finding it on their own?
Quote:Investigators are looking into two key pieces of evidence that seem to suggest that Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock was not entirely alone in his Mandalay Bay hotel room.
Senior law enforcement officials told NBC News that they have made two discoveries in Paddock's 32nd-floor hotel room that they currently cannot explain.
The first is a cell phone charger that does not match any of the devices that belonged to the gunman.
The second is a hotel record showing that one of Paddock's key cards was used to access his room while his car was outside of the hotel's parking garage.
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