10-02-2017, 08:21 AM (This post was last modified: 10-02-2017, 08:35 AM by DuckforcoveR.)
What happens in Vegas doesn't always stay quiet:
Quote:Las Vegas Police Investigating Shooting at Mandalay Bay Casino
Quote:Multiple people were injured in after a shooting in Las Vegas near Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino Sunday, Clark County Fire Department officials confirmed to NBC News.
Las Vegas police said they were investigating reports of an active shooter near or inside the casino.
Quote:Police later tweeted that "one suspect is down."
Suspect has been taken out but the damage was already done.
Quote:"It didn't sound normal, it sounded like machine guns and it was like several rounds, it was like hundreds of rounds," she said.
"My boyfriend had me move behind a building here because it just didn't sound right," she said. "And then we hid behind a building and we could just hear hundreds of rounds going off and then about 10 minutes later the police came and just blocked off all the streets." She said she was about a block from the Harvest 91 Festival, which was taking place near the Mandalay Bay.
CNN and others are reporting 2 dead at the moment. ETA - they are reporting another 24 wounded but no word on how bad. I'm afraid with that many wounded the death toll can rise as the hours pass. Not going to speculate as to motive at this time but we'll keep this updated.
Quote:A gunman opened fire at an open-air country music festival at the Mandalay Bay Hotel on the city's strip.
Hundreds of people fled the scene and the sound of what appeared to be prolonged automatic gunfire could be heard on videos posted on social media. Police said a suspect "was down". There are reports of at least one other incident on the Las Vegas strip.
It can be chaotic but it seems maybe the shooter fled the concert and headed to the strip? At least the shooter was taken out. We may never know the motive (unless he was wrapped in a certain black flag...or has an extensive social media presence) but man. What a horrible thing to deal with while enjoying a little music.
And then there's this:
Quote:Multiple shooters were firing down from the upper windows of Mandalay Bay, according to the Las Vegas Review-Journal. Witnesses told the Associated Press that they could see muzzle flashes coming from the upper floors and described the sound of automatic gunfire.
10-02-2017, 08:54 AM (This post was last modified: 10-02-2017, 08:59 AM by BIAD.)
Jeez, suggested automatic gunfire from a hotel window... that's quite a bit of organising and intent.
Assuming the shooter(s) isn't or aren't residents of Las Vegas, it means it was known that a large group
of people would be gathered to do this. Can you take a large automatic weapon (presumably not a handgun)
into a US hotel without arousing concerns?
Time of writing 1.00.am -Vegas time.
Quote: '...What sounds like bursts of automatic gunfire can be heard in video from the concert as singer Jason Aldean performed. Danita Cohen, spokeswoman for University Medical Centre, said 26 people had been admitted, with two now dead and 14 in a critical condition...'
NBC is reporting that the suspect is a local resident:
Quote:Police responded to reports of the shooting just after 10 p.m. (1 a.m. ET), and later killed the suspected gunman — a local resident — in the Mandalay Bay Resort, he added.
Officials were searching for a woman they identified as Marilou Danley, who they identified as an Asian female traveling with the unnamed suspect, said Lombardo.
10-02-2017, 11:59 AM (This post was last modified: 10-02-2017, 03:05 PM by BIAD.)
Quote:'...Police believe at least 50 people have been killed and more than 200 injured after a man opened fire at a country music festival in Las Vegas. It is believed the gunman was shooting down from the Mandalay Bay Hotel, and police said he was killed on the 32nd floor.
They named him as local resident Stephen Paddock, 64.
Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said a "person of interest" Marilou Danley, 62, believed to be his roommate, has also been located...'
[NOTE: MARILOU DANLEY IS NO LONGER A PERSON OF INTEREST]- A few hours later.
Marilou Danley
The Daily Express report that this is Steven Paddock. SOURCE:
10-02-2017, 05:19 PM (This post was last modified: 10-02-2017, 05:23 PM by BIAD.)
From a few minutes ago:
58 dead.
Quote:'Las Vegas sheriff Joe Lombardo answers a few questions from reporters in the room.
On the 10 weapons found in the gunman’s hotel room: “We do know that he brought the weapons in on his own. In the original briefing we believed that he had [a companion].We have determined that the female is out of the country. He brought these weapons in on his own.
On the new property being investigated, he says it was found by searching through property assessor records. Was the gunman known to law enforcement? “Not at all. We’ve checked all the federal databases and Nevada databases and we have no knowledge of this individual.”
On Marylou Danley, the gunman’s girlfriend who is currently abroad: “We still consider her a person of interest. We have been in contact with her and we plan to engage her upon her return to the country.”
On how he broke the hotel room windows: ”We believe he had a device similar to a hammer to smash through the windows.”
Whether he had tickets to the concert: “I have no idea.”
On the gunman’s actions in the hotel: “There will be hours and hours and hours of video surveillance that we will have to recall with the cooperation of the MGM [hotel].”
Whether law enforcement could have acted before the shooting: “I don’t know how it could’ve been prevented if we had no prior knowledge of the individual.”
Whether cleaning services noticed anything: “It has been reported that individuals were going to and fro from his room, and nothing nefarious was noticed, at this point, as we know now.”
On what he knows about the gunman’s final moments: “(I was told) he had killed himself. Exactly – we’ll have to go through our body worn camera and existing video as to whether we engaged him at the same approximate time.”
On motive: “I can’t get into the mind of a psychopath at this point.”
Just got a report from Vegas that says 58 dead and 515 injured so far. I dunno what the guy was using. it was some kind of SAW, sounded like an M-60 to me, but I can't be sure, as the sounds I'm listening to are not the highest quality. Witnesses are reporting that there was a lengthy reload just before the last few bursts into the beaten zone. My best guess at this point is that he wasn't just reloading, he was having to change the barrel as well, and that's what took him so long.
I'm not too familiar with the newer generation SAWS, and don't know if they have barrel change out capability like an M-60, but they probably do. Barrels get hot with sustained fire like that, and they'd have to be changed.
Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.
Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’
(10-02-2017, 05:53 PM)Ninurta Wrote: Just got a report from Vegas that says 58 dead and 515 injured so far. I dunno what the guy was using. it was some kind of SAW, sounded like an M-60 to me, but I can't be sure, as the sounds I'm listening to are not the highest quality. Witnesses are reporting that there was a lengthy reload just before the last few bursts into the beaten zone. My best guess at this point is that he wasn't just reloading, he was having to change the barrel as well, and that's what took him so long.
I'm not too familiar with the newer generation SAWS, and don't know if they have barrel change out capability like an M-60, but they probably do. Barrels get hot with sustained fire like that, and they'd have to be changed.
Scary stuff... and from that height too.
He certainly thought it through.
I dunno if I'm the first to say it or not, but I believe this gent was "activated", and had been "conditioned" some time ago. A LONG time ago, and was just sitting and "sleeping" until activated.
He has no record, not even any run ins with the law, for the past several years. Seems to have been a model citizen, avoiding law enforcement and"other" attention like the plague. Must be a reason for that - no one flies that low under the radar otherwise. There's paper on EVERYONE... and in order to (legally) get a full auto weapon, there are stacks of paperwork, background checks, and a whole raft of baggage that draws both federal and local law enforcement attention.
I'm also convinced he had "help". This package was too big to hide otherwise. 10 guns (one report has them all as "rifles", but I doubt that), and NO ONE notices them being smuggled in? Seriously? No one among housekeeping staff notices them despite "several trip to the room"? Seriously?
There were several reports of gunmen at other locations prior to the shooting starting. Smells like a diversion to me, to draw cops away from the active arena ahead of time and increase response time - and that means other helpers.
The package was pretty neatly wrapped up with a suicide as well. Sets off alarm bells. Now, he can't roll over on any "helpers" - dead me tell no tales.
I believe the activation signals have been getting sent out for 6 to 8 months now. No evidence for it that I'm willing to post here, though. Let's just call it a hunch.
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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.
Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’
(10-02-2017, 06:11 PM)Ninurta Wrote: ...I believe the activation signals have been getting sent out for 6 to 8 months now.
No evidence for it that I'm willing to post here, though. Let's just call it a hunch.
Can you 'spit-ball' as such...? Maybe under the heading 'maybe'?
(10-02-2017, 06:10 PM)BIAD Wrote: Scary stuff... and from that height too.
He certainly thought it through.
Yup. It had to be well planned out and reconned (mapped out, site visits, etc.), too. According to the shot I've listened to, he was quite a distance from the beaten zone, AND 32 floors up. You listen for bullets and then the gun report to figure out where and how far away a shooter is. When you listen to the recordings of the attack, the louder pops are the bullets smacking the ground and bodies in the beaten zone, then about a half second later you'll hear the actual gunshots from the weapon, quieter and in the background. I'd say he was between 600 and a thousand yards away from the beaten zone, judging by the gun pops.
Another thing - beyond smuggling the guns themselves, a package of this size is going to require a LOT of ammo, for all 10 weapons. That crap don't carry itself up the elevators...
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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.
Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’
10-02-2017, 06:23 PM (This post was last modified: 10-02-2017, 06:28 PM by Ninurta.)
(10-02-2017, 06:19 PM)BIAD Wrote:
(10-02-2017, 06:11 PM)Ninurta Wrote: ...I believe the activation signals have been getting sent out for 6 to 8 months now.
No evidence for it that I'm willing to post here, though. Let's just call it a hunch.
Can you 'spit-ball' as such...? Maybe under the heading 'maybe'?
I might have heard rumors of strange cell phone calls going out to seemingly random individuals over the time span I mentioned.
The smarter ones will not have answered those calls...
... but it only takes one to answer.
I'm not really going to go into detail of what I mean by "strange", but will say that among other indicators of "strangeness" I may have heard a rumor of someone who got a call from apparently the first phone in the world - the caller ID simply had "1" listed as the entire phone number.
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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.
Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’
(10-02-2017, 06:23 PM)Ninurta Wrote: I might have heard rumors of strange cell phone calls going out to seemingly random
individuals over the time span I mentioned.
The smarter ones will not have answered those calls...
... but it only takes one to answer.
If you were still in the 'just-tossing-things-out-there'-mode... would these individuals have
been primed well in advance and -just wiling the time away, who by...?
(The second query I understand will be answered vaguely -if at all!)
(10-02-2017, 06:23 PM)Ninurta Wrote: I might have heard rumors of strange cell phone calls going out to seemingly random
individuals over the time span I mentioned.
The smarter ones will not have answered those calls...
... but it only takes one to answer.
If you were still in the 'just-tossing-things-out-there'-mode... would these individuals have
been primed well in advance and -just wiling the time away, who by...?
(The second query I understand will be answered vaguely -if at all!)
I have to run out to the Big City just now, to pick up some untrackable, cardless, cold hard cash, but will respond to this more fully (if vaguely) when i get back home. Should be gone a half hour or so. In the mean time, I've added to this post you've quoted.
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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.
Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’
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