I was just reading a "bio" on the guy that CNN put together and the police said none of the guns in the hotel room are part of the "10 guns" he owns. So that adds an entire new level of "WTF?" to this. He owns 10 guns (legally purchased at least) and NONE of them are among the guns he used for this? Yeah, spidey senses are certainly f'n tingling with that tid-bit. 

@"Ninurta" and @"BIAD"  - if this was an "activation" it would certainly help to explain all of the firepower that he doesn't own showing up in his hotel room. Like the movie "Eagle Eye" except the caller on the other end didn't tell him to run...

(10-02-2017, 07:07 PM)DuckforcoveR Wrote: ...and the police said none of the guns in the hotel room are part of the "10 guns" he owns...

Now that is very strange.
If they're not his... then who the hell...?!

(10-02-2017, 06:34 PM)BIAD Wrote: Just to add for the above questions. I'm not ridiculing or anything like that.

It's just that I was trying to poorly look laid-back due to my knowledge that
you know far-more than you indicate and are hesitant on elaborating.

I have respect for you and the past you gracefully allowed me to peek into from
time-to-time!

The first thing to understand is that what I've got here is only a theory I've developed. I've tried to use a little bit of logic and a whole lot of spit-balling and supposition. It's sort of like putting a puzzle together as pieces of it are mailed to you, or left laying about in your garden, one at a time. Not knowing if one has all the pieces, it may well turn out that the finished puzzle looks like a Salvador Dali painting... and it may be that the original picture WAS a Salvador Dali painting, in which case one cannot know if the puzzle is correct or not - if all of the ears, eyes, noses, teeth, etc. are in the actual places they are supposed to be.

Yes, I think he would have been primed or conditioned well in advance, WELL in advance. Back in the day, intelligence "sleeper" agents were know to be prepped and then sit "sleeping" for years or decades - some were never activated at all, and "slept" their whole lives away, no one the wiser.

To make matters worse, the kind of "Activation" I'm talking about is psychological conditioning, and even the sleeper himself or herself may not be aware of what they are. Think of hypnosis sessions with "post hypnotic suggestions" and "triggers" to bring those suggestions into play. They are a different sort of creature than the Sleeper Agents I mentioned above in the intelligence community.

This man would have came of military age in the early 70's, between about 1971 and 1973. Who do we know that was poking around with psychological conditioning and making experimental use of psychoactive drugs to determine the "pliability" of human guinea pigs in those days? It doesn't matter whether he has an actual military record or not. You'll just have to trust me on that. Files get lost, people get forgotten, "agents" fall through the cracks occasionally. It's even better if there is no file to GET lost, and it was just some active Joe off the street - who's gonna suspect HIM?

Whomever may have been up to those sorts of shenanigans might be a good place to start looking for a culprit regarding your question of "who by...?" in reference to his conditioning.


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I will -in my own stunted manner, take a look into what surfaces.
I don't have the access or the skills that many have, but I'm a nosy-bugger
and that sometimes helps!

...By the way, if DFC is correct and the firearms aren't from this persons stock,
has this be simply overlooked or will it just be assumed he purchased them in
another way.

From what I've heard, it's difficult to buy such terrible weapons.

(10-02-2017, 07:42 PM)BIAD Wrote: ...By the way, if DFC is correct and the firearms aren't from this persons stock,
has this be simply overlooked or will it just be assumed he purchased them in
another way.

From what I've heard, it's difficult to buy such terrible weapons.

Yeah, it's CNN to take it for what it's worth. But the story I read had a bunch of information on him that I haven't read all in one place elsewhere:

Quote:• Paddock had bought multiple firearms in the past, several of them purchased in California, a law enforcement official told CNN. But those don't appear to be among the 10 or more guns found in the Mandalay Bay hotel room.

and this:

Quote:• Authorities searched Paddock's home in Mesquite on Monday and found weapons and ammunition, but Mesquite police spokesman Quinn Averett did not give details. Eric Paddock said he helped Stephen move to Mesquite about a year ago.

It's just bizarre that he left guns and ammo at home and ended up using ones there is no record of him buying...

(10-02-2017, 07:07 PM)DuckforcoveR Wrote: I was just reading a "bio" on the guy that CNN put together and the police said none of the guns in the hotel room are part of the "10 guns" he owns. So that adds an entire new level of "WTF?" to this. He owns 10 guns (legally purchased at least) and NONE of them are among the guns he used for this? Yeah, spidey senses are certainly f'n tingling with that tid-bit. 

@"Ninurta" and @"BIAD"  - if this was an "activation" it would certainly help to explain all of the firepower that he doesn't own showing up in his hotel room. Like the movie "Eagle Eye" except the caller on the other end didn't tell him to run...

Explains not just what showed up there, but HOW it got there. I'm almost certain he had "help", and by help I don't mean an overworked and underpaid bell hop sneaking things up the freight elevator for a bribe.

A legally purchased M-60 will run $20,000 to $30,000. A legally purchased M-16 runs about $15,000 to $20,000. These guns were, apparently, ILLEGALLY purchased. You can imagine the black market pricing on such hardware. And he had TEN of them, together with all of the ammo to feed them and keep them running?

Yeah, he had "help".


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(10-02-2017, 07:49 PM)DuckforcoveR Wrote: Yeah, it's CNN to take it for what it's worth. But the story I read had a bunch of information on him that I haven't read all in one place elsewhere:

...But those don't appear to be among the 10 or more guns found in the Mandalay Bay hotel room...

...It's just bizarre that he left guns and ammo at home and ended up using ones there is no record of him buying... 

Then it can be suggested that he acquired the firearms used in Las Vegas in another area and if it's
through the usual channels, the records will be found.
But if there's a darker conduit he had access to, Mesquite, Nevada doesn't seem a place where
illegal guns are easily accessible.

(10-02-2017, 07:42 PM)BIAD Wrote: ...By the way, if DFC is correct and the firearms aren't from this persons stock,
has this be simply overlooked or will it just be assumed he purchased them in
another way.

From what I've heard, it's difficult to buy such terrible weapons.

It is, unless you've got bottomless pockets full of money. Let that sink in for a minute.

But wait, there's more!

Think on this a while, too - no military record. No record of military training. yet he scoped out the place ahead of time (that sort of recon is a must for something like this), knew what to look for and how to set up, and managed to hit targets at that distance, firing down hill. That's not an easy task, even for lightly trained people. Any sniper or machine gunner will tell you that there are special considerations to take into account when firing down hill or up hill. It's not like in the movies - simply holding the trigger down and sweeping the muzzle are not enough to ensure hits in a "spray and pray" strategy. That's just movies.

He's had SOME sort of training and practice at some time... and NO ONE, not even his own family, knows anything about it. I just saw an interview with his brother Eric, who helped him move to Mesquite last year, and his big question is "Where the hell did he get the machine guns? He had no military background! All he had were legally purchased handguns." Think deeply on that... and wonder when Eric is going to have that AHA! moment where he thinks to ask "how did he even learn to use a machine gun?". machine gunnery is specialized training.

For something of this nature, with that many casualties, that's going to take a LOT of ammo, too - not every bullet is going to be a "hit", and conservatively he would have to have had at least twice the number of bullets as he had hits, and more likely a 10:1 ratio. That's a lot of ammo, a HEAVY lot of ammo, to sneak past hotel security in your over coat.

Watch and see what sort of demands for new legislation or "changes" suddenly pop into the news within the next 5 days. you'll find the reason and motive for this when they get around to making those demands, and they can't wait for it to go cold  and be replaced by a new news cycle before they do.

Just sayin'...


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(10-02-2017, 08:07 PM)Ninurta Wrote: ...He's had SOME sort of training and practice at some time... and NO ONE, not even his own family, knows anything about it. I just saw an interview with his brother Eric, who helped him move to Mesquite last year, and his big question is "Where the hell did he get the machine guns?

He had no military background! All he had were legally purchased handguns." Think deeply on that... and wonder when Eric is going to have that AHA! moment where he thinks to ask "how did he even learn to use a machine gun?". machine gunnery is specialized training....

That's a real worrying thought, the idea of keeping all of this hidden from his brother and mother.
It means long-term deceit, a focus on not even giving a hint that he could be connected to something
that could possibly raise concerns.
What belief-system could be strong enough to warrant such a sly existence?

(10-02-2017, 07:57 PM)BIAD Wrote:

(10-02-2017, 07:49 PM)DuckforcoveR Wrote: Yeah, it's CNN to take it for what it's worth. But the story I read had a bunch of information on him that I haven't read all in one place elsewhere:

...But those don't appear to be among the 10 or more guns found in the Mandalay Bay hotel room...

...It's just bizarre that he left guns and ammo at home and ended up using ones there is no record of him buying... 

Then it can be suggested that he acquired the firearms used in Las Vegas in another area and if it's
through the usual channels, the records will be found.
But if there's a darker conduit he had access to, Mesquite, Nevada doesn't seem a place where
illegal guns are easily accessible.

There aren't any records, or they would have already been found. that's likely the first place the FBI would have looked. The records on automatic weapons purchases are not something the Feds file and forget. They keep pretty close track of them. If you have one, the holder's paperwork MUST be carried with the weapon at all times. Just having the paperwork missing makes them "illegal", even if the paperwork is in order and the tax stamp is paid.

They probably "fell off the back of a truck" and into Uncle Sugar's hands unaccounted for. that's just a guess, by no means a certainty. I keep going back to "how'd he get them past hotel security?", and that's where the answer to that question logically leads me.


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(10-02-2017, 08:14 PM)BIAD Wrote:

(10-02-2017, 08:07 PM)Ninurta Wrote: ...He's had SOME sort of training and practice at some time... and NO ONE, not even his own family, knows anything about it. I just saw an interview with his brother Eric, who helped him move to Mesquite last year, and his big question is "Where the hell did he get the machine guns?

He had no military background! All he had were legally purchased handguns." Think deeply on that... and wonder when Eric is going to have that AHA! moment where he thinks to ask "how did he even learn to use a machine gun?". machine gunnery is specialized training....

That's a real worrying thought, the idea of keeping all of this hidden from his brother and mother.
It means long-term deceit, a focus on not even giving a hint that he could be connected to something
that could possibly raise concerns.
What belief-system could be strong enough to warrant such a sly existence?

You are assuming he could even recall that he HAD that training. That is by no means a certainty. He may not have been purposely deceitful to his family - he may not have even recalled it himself. Remember my "post hypnotic suggestion and triggering" argument.

There is a reason that the mug shots of some of these folks they catch after the fact has that "deer in the headlights", "where the hell am I and what's going on?" look.

Even though I hear through the grapevine that ISIS had already claimed responsibility for this, I don't believe it for an instant. that's just ISIS in desperation trying to stay relevant and keep their fear cycle going. There are no ISIS hallmarks on this situation. I don't believe this was orchestrated by ANY foreign power.

I'm looking considerably more inward than that.

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That’s what I don’t get. I still am having a hard time with “the guy just snapped”. Especially (as Ninurta said) if he scoped the place out first. I don’t know which of the hundreds of articles it was in but one of them said the FBI was looking into “giant gambling ‘transactions’ that he made in the last week”. They wouldn’t say if it was a win or a loss, but think about it:
 
You lose more money than you could bear and you snap. Go home, get the guns, walk into a soft target and shoot. Except he didn’t do that, he left the guns at home.
 
You lose more money than you could bear and you snap. You spend even MORE money to buy some more guns, leave the others at home, rent a hotel with a view of the strip for 5 days and then start shooting with said guns?
 
You lose more money than you could bear and you snap. You …. You get the point. None of this is adding up.

And here's the gambling link, I remembered:

NBC

Quote:The suspected gunman behind the Las Vegas massacre made several large gambling transactions in recent weeks, according to multiple senior law enforcement officials and a casino executive.

Quote:It was not immediately clear if those transactions were losses or wins.

(10-02-2017, 08:38 PM)Ninurta Wrote: ...I'm looking considerably more inward than that.

Antifa is the common shout from some areas and it's been said that Antifa literature
was found in the hotel room. I also heard that such firearms could've been bought
before 1986 because that was when a law was changed.
(Being a Limey, I have no idea what that means!)

It's mind-boggling to think that this type of programming is not a thing of today...
but a system put in place a long time ago.

(10-02-2017, 07:31 PM)Ninurta Wrote: ...Yes, I think he would have been primed or conditioned well in advance, WELL in advance.
Back in the day, intelligence "sleeper" agents were know to be prepped and then sit "sleeping"
for years or decades - some were never activated at all, and "slept" their whole lives away,
no one the wiser...

This chap agrees with you, Sir.

(10-02-2017, 08:47 PM)DuckforcoveR Wrote: That’s what I don’t get. I still am having a hard time with “the guy just snapped”. Especially (as Ninurta said) if he scoped the place out first. I don’t know which of the hundreds of articles it was in but one of them said the FBI was looking into “giant gambling ‘transactions’ that he made in the last week”. They wouldn’t say if it was a win or a loss, but think about it:
 
You lose more money than you could bear and you snap. Go home, get the guns, walk into a soft target and shoot. Except he didn’t do that, he left the guns at home.
 
You lose more money than you could bear and you snap. You spend even MORE money to buy some more guns, leave the others at home, rent a hotel with a view of the strip for 5 days and then start shooting with said guns?
 
You lose more money than you could bear and you snap. You …. You get the point. None of this is adding up.

Exactly. Furthermore, if you lose more money than you can stand and snap, why would you target innocent bystanders? Wouldn't someone in that situation be more likely to target the folks that, you know, took his money?

Plus, it's a pretty serious "snap" that goes on for 5 days and allows for premeditated action...


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Quote:'...The suspected gunman behind the Las Vegas massacre made several large gambling
transactions in recent weeks, according to multiple senior law enforcement officials and
a casino executive.

On several occasions, Stephen Paddock gambled more than $10,000 per day -and in
some cases more than than $20,000 and $30,000 a day -at Las Vegas casinos, according
to an NBC News source who read the suspect's Multiple Currency Transaction Reports
(CTR) and a casino gaming executive.

According to a U.S. statute, a CTR is a Treasury- and IRS-mandated report that casinos
have to file when "each transaction in currency involving cash-in and cash-out of more
than $10,000 in a gaming day."

It was not immediately clear if those transactions were losses or wins...'

SOURCE:

Sorry DFC, just realised you had already posted this.

(10-02-2017, 08:50 PM)BIAD Wrote:

(10-02-2017, 08:38 PM)Ninurta Wrote: ...I'm looking considerably more inward than that.

Antifa is the common shout from some areas and it's been said that Antifa literature
was found in the hotel room. I also heard that such firearms could've been bought
before 1986 because that was when a law was changed.
(Being a Limey, I have no idea what that means!)

It's mind-boggling to think that this type of programming is not a thing of today...
but a system put in place a long time ago.

I guess Antifa is a definite possibility - that was actually my first thought. They've proven themselves over and over to be the violent sort, and there aren't many places you're going to find right-wingers in large quantities all herded up - country music festivals are one of those places.

Still, I keep coming back to "where did the automatic weapons and all that ammo come from, and how did they get 32 floors up with no one noticing?" Antifa can't even do that... unless THEY have some "help".

ETA: the laws on automatic weapons were initially passed in 1934, as "the gun control act of 1934", or something like that. That is when the process and the required $200.00 tax were put in place. 1986 comes in because no one can legally purchase automatic weapons produced after 1986. Older ones are grandfathered, on the notion that they will eventually wear out, and no one will be able to get ANY automatic weapons any more after the the pre-1986 copies die out.

In other words, they could have just as easily been bought yesterday as they could have before 1986 - as long as they were MADE before 1986.


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(10-02-2017, 09:31 PM)Ninurta Wrote: I guess Antifa is a definite possibility - that was actually my first thought. They've proven themselves over and over to be the violent sort, and there aren't many places you're going to find right-wingers in large quantities all herded up - country music festivals are one of those places.

Still, I keep coming back to "where did the automatic weapons and all that ammo come from, and how did they get 32 floors up with no one noticing?" Antifa can't even do that... unless THEY have some "help".

It does stink!
he post above of Paddock using up thousands of dollars may be something or nothing,
but if it is connected to Antifa, a bunch of online kids certainly couldn't fund, provide the
firearms and subdue casino security.

I had to smile when I read this from the same source as above...

Quote:'...From 1985 to 1988, he worked for a predecessor company of Lockheed Martin

as an "internal auditor," public records show.
"We’re cooperating with authorities to answer questions they may have about Mr.
Paddock and his time with the company," Lockheed Martin said in a statement...'

Didn't Comey have a job there?!

(10-02-2017, 08:55 PM)BIAD Wrote:

(10-02-2017, 07:31 PM)Ninurta Wrote: ...Yes, I think he would have been primed or conditioned well in advance, WELL in advance.
Back in the day, intelligence "sleeper" agents were know to be prepped and then sit "sleeping"
for years or decades - some were never activated at all, and "slept" their whole lives away,
no one the wiser...

This chap agrees with you, Sir.

An excellent video that points out a couple things I haven't thought of yet - like the fact that casinos are absolutely eaten up with cameras, and pointing out that the windows were broken out hours before the attack and no one seemed to notice. That's information I didn't yet have, another piece of the puzzle handed over.

The only thing I take issue with is his characterization of the event as a "false flag" - I haven't read anything to suggest it was an attack by a foreign power (other than the ISIS claim, which is ludicrous on the face of it), so no flags, falsified or otherwise, have come to the fore yet. The guy is pretty clearly neither North Korean nor middle eastern, so I'm not sure which country they would point at to lay the false flag at the feet of.


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