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  The Mike Herdman Tragedy - Addendums
Posted by: Minstrel - 05-21-2016, 01:08 PM - Forum: Mysterious Circumstances Surrounding Certain Deaths - Replies (1)

Addendum 1

If some points covered in the following seem to be a rehash, understand that they are rehashed from a different angle to cast a different light.

Typically, I do not offer my opinion on what actually happened, when the details are as sparse as in this case… I will, though, in this case, offer the three explanations that work best with the facts we know.

1. Byars story is true… Nothing major left out… Just synchronicity showing up in the worst way for Herdman and the best way for Byars.
2. Herdman was murdered…by someone…and Byars knows ‘who’.
3. Herdman was murdered…by something…and Byars does not know ‘who/what’, or is afraid of telling what he knows of ‘who/what’.

How could Byars’ story be true?
First, to be painfully honest, we don’t actually know what Byars’ story was/is…
We know scant details that were skewed, muddied and even poetically-licensed in the media.
We know what a Sheriff’s official related, from time to time.
We know what a co-worker, speaking on behalf of Mr. Byars, said.
We know what the Arcadia Fire Department ‘said’.
What we have not heard, is Byars saying ANYTHING.

Is it possible that a well-heeled canine companion bolted under the full moon, failing to return to his human-companion when called…and continued ‘bolting’, leading Herdman & Byars a mile & a half or so down the creek, before the two men decided to go separate ways…?
Is it possible that Herdman, after three days of hiking, and a mile-and-a-half of traipsing along the Sespe creek, chose to climb the steep grade out of the creek, to gain a better vantage…to find/see Duke?
Is it possible that after such exertion, and finally making it to the cliff-ledge, 1,500’ or so above the creek-bed, that Herdman slipped or tripped…right at the edge, and plummeted to his death?
Is it possible that Byars searched all day Saturday – and sometime Sunday started his trek out of the Wilderness – got lost (disoriented) – happened upon two fishermen who were able to get him back to his vehicle – still with enough time to make it to the Ventura County Sheriff, and relate the above tale?
Is it possible that the two fishermen, after helping Byars back to his vehicle, on the same day that he started his trek-out…were able to return to an area that took he and Herdman 3 days of hiking to get to…and find the backpack full of supplies left behind for Herdman?
…And – is it possible that said fishermen would not have been aware of the story that brought Byars into their hospitable arms…before making the trip/hike to the abandoned campsite?
I suppose so. Much of it seems possible…however improbable.
‘Molly/Ecstasy’ might explain the additional vim and vigor for Herdman’s feat of stamina…but doesn’t explain Duke running off and continuing to ‘run’.
Luck might explain Byars running into fishermen while exhausted, disoriented, disheveled & dehydrated at some time on Sunday… And even more luck might explain him getting back to his vehicle before sundown (as the first deputies to start the search had to call it off due to darkness).
Luck might further explain the fishermen finding some unfathomable route back to the campsite that allowed them to find the backpack before a party of 50 +/- S&R personnel were on the ground the following morning.
All of these separate pieces might fall into the category of ‘possible’ – but how many exceptionally possible dominos have to fall in succession, before design &/or intent draws a questioning eye?


Odds are pretty good that IF Mike Herdman was high on Ecstasy & Alcohol at the time of his death (or, leading to his death), Byars may have been ‘high’ too, as one usually doesn’t party too hardy by oneself.

Quote:MDMA (3,4-methylenedioxy-methamphetamine), popularly known as ecstasy or, more recently, as Molly, is a synthetic, psychoactive drug that has similarities to both the stimulant amphetamine and the hallucinogen mescaline. It produces feelings of increased energy, euphoria, emotional warmth and empathy toward others, and distortions in sensory and time perception.
(from DrugFacts.com)

Did Duke run off, starting the avalanche of wrong steps, moves and decisions?

If the fishermen were a concoction… Why were they needed?
Why wasn’t the backpack & campsite found, the first day of S&R operations?
Was Byars able to convey directions to the campsite to the fishermen, but not to Search & Rescue (who had helicopters)?
Wouldn’t ‘finding the campsite & backpack’, as well as any tracks leading to and from said campsite be the first priority?
Must get bearings.
Must have a point of reference.
You don’t just send 50 people off, saying ‘look around and see what you can find’.
There must have been some instruction as to ‘where’ to start looking.
If they didn’t know where the campsite was, how could they determine where Herdman was last seen?
So … Again … How could they miss the backpack the first day, and find it, the second day?
Was it ‘missing’ the first day?
What, in the story, required ‘fishermen’…to pull things together?

More on Duke…
a) Duke didn’t run off to start the tidal wave…and Byars’ story is full of other fabrications, as well.
b) Duke ran off chasing something in a way that caused Herdman’s alarm to start ringing.
c) Duke was running away from something…

If there were noises in the forest that night…that caused Duke to go crazy – they must have been different from the forest noises of the first two nights…
We do not know that Duke took off, as is part of the story we were fed… But …if he did – what was so different, that night, that both Herdman & Byars took on a long search to find him?

Addendum 2

When approaching a ‘mystery’, whose 1st order of suspicion oozes from a scarcity of verifiable facts, asking questions of said unverifiable facts can go a long way toward eliminating possibilities along the trail, while quantifying the probabilities of those possibilities that remain.

In the case of our story – once Herdman, Byars and Duke set out on their venture, there are no verifiable facts (none that are available to We, The People) until Byars contacted the Ventura County Sheriff’s Department with his tale.

There are no alleged quotes from Byars in the public record, either.

If we took what the Sheriff’s spokespersons purportedly said (as reported in the media) there were three tales that began with Duke leaving the campsite…
1st – He wandered off, and didn’t return in a reasonable amount of time…
2nd – He took off while they were setting the camp up…
3rd – It was around 9:30 PM when he took off…and Herdman was dressed only in board shorts and a t-shirt.

There are, likewise, multiple tales of what happened next…beginning with 1) Herdman took out after Duke, and, at some point, Byars joined the search; and 2) Herdman and Byars setting out together to find Duke.

Then, there are the tales that say 1) Herdman and Byars got separated shortly after starting the search; 2) Herdman & Byars got separated when Herdman left the creek bed into some thick brush; and 3) Herdman & Byars agreed to separate to cover more territory.

And then, as noted before, the tales of Byars’ exit from the forest that begin with a mixed bag of tales regarding how long he searched for Herdman &/or Duke, and end with the miracle-working fishermen that got him to his car, presumably found the campsite and backpack before nightfall, and forgot all about it until they heard/read about the missing hiker on/in the news.

Then, of course, there is the loudly lauded and applauded efforts of some 100+ Search & Rescuers from many parts of California…choppers, horses, dogs, drones, rattlesnakes, bears and more…that must have cost the taxpayers of Ventura County a pretty dime…

Tales of spotting Duke NW of the campsite, NW of the last place Herdman was purportedly seen, and NW of Sulphur peak… And more tales from the experts saying that Duke was afraid of humans, and seemed frazzled.

Twenty miles of creek bed were searched crack & cranny, and 50 square miles surrounding said creek bed were combed by determined Search & Rescuers…

BUUUTTTT…at least one of those surrounding square miles…WAS NOT searched…and…it was not searched by strategic decision…
Which square mile?
The one square mile closest to where Herdman was purportedly last seen.
The one square mile nearest where Duke was probably seen on two consecutive days.

And now – when anyone looking at this wickedly-woven ball of yarn wants to see where the truth might lie in all of the unverifiable facts…they are met with a seal.

In the beautiful State of California, the Constitution says that “The people have the right of access to information concerning the conduct of the people’s business, and, therefore, the meetings of public bodies and the writings of public officials and agencies shall be open to public scrutiny.”
Wouldn’t a massive undertaking (operation) as was seen all across the news for more than a week be counted “conduct of the people’s business”?
Is the Sheriff’s Department a public agency, and are the Sheriff and his Deputies public officials?
Then how can this case be sealed if they have already publicly ruled Mike Herdman’s death “an accident”?

Where is the public outcry?
Does no-one care?

Questions:
Were Byars' tracks found?
Were Duke's tracks found?
If so (to both) - were they consistent with Byars accompanying Herdman to the "Last Place Seen", and Duke going the same direction?

Were the fishermen's tracks found at the campsite?
In what fashion were they found?
If found - Did they traipse all over the place...? Were they anywhere other than the campsite...?

What did the bloodhounds do at or near the Last Place Seen?

If Duke's tracks were not found going in the same direction as Herdman's...were they found elsewhere?
If so - where?

Is it possible that Herdman lost track of Duke where the rise (that the campsite was on) finally descended to the creek...?
...And, losing sight, expected that Duke was going the same direction they had gone on previous hikes through the Sespe...being, through the Devil's Gate?
But, instead...Duke went another direction...which was why the dog did not respond to his master's calls (couldn't hear them)...?

If that were the case...we are left with a 1st-order question, and given two more, for good measure...
1st – Why did Duke leave?
2nd – Where did he go?
3rd – Why did he go there?

While 1st and 3rd may actually have the same answer - we do not know, and must consider them separately until more information satisfies the question.

Assuming that Byars' story of Duke leaving camp in such a manner as to draw Herdman urgently-enough away that he failed to don footwear & other, more appropriate clothing...is true...
...And, assuming that Duke was accustomed-enough to the scent of bear, cougar, coyote &/or other predators (or game), to have acted without ado on the previous nights, and previous hikes...
...And recognizing the oddly-named geographic locales in the vicinity...such as "Sulphur Peak", "Devil's Heart Peak" and "Devil's Gateway"...
...And even further considering that more than a few aspects of this mystery carry the signature of 'high strangeness'...
Would another 'high strangeness' added to the equation be just a little too much?

What if there were something so odd & strange...just around the bend from the campsite that no-one agrees on 'what it is'... …?
What if that 'something' were magical or...other-worldly...?
What if that 'something' was the source of Duke's disappearance, Herdman's death, and makes all the other odd aspects of the story seem...mundane?

Assuming the personnel were experts as was advertised and as we might expect… …if the bloodhounds did not point & track up out of the creek-bed in the direction where Herdman’s body was found… … …what could that mean?
Would it mean that he did not climb out of the creek bottom…?
Even an agile, limber and otherwise able-bodied man would have to use all four appendages for a good bit of the ascent out of the creek bottom, as the only exits showed a climb ratio of ~1 foot up for every 1 foot forward, and it is not likely that said climb would have been as stable as a staircase.
He would probably have been grabbing hold of vegetation, rocks, scratching and scraping knuckles, knees, feet…all the way.
How could quality tracking &/or trailing bloodhounds miss such a trail and scents?

I don’t know…
What about you?

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  The Mike Herdman Tragedy
Posted by: Minstrel - 05-21-2016, 01:01 PM - Forum: Mysterious Circumstances Surrounding Certain Deaths - Replies (9)

A Tale of Three Lucks –or– The Domino Effect

On the 11th of June, 2014, Mike Herdman and Taylor Byars, two Arcadia (California) firefighters/EMTs, accompanied by Herdman’s dog, Duke, set out on a planned 4½ day hiking trip through the Sespe Wilderness area of the Los Padres National Forest in Southern California.


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At the end of the third day (Friday, the 13th) they made camp somewhere near the coordinates 34°33’46.99”N 118°57’09.32”W…being an elevated area, 200’ (+/-) above the east bank of the Sespe river-bottom.

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Around 9:30 PM, under a full moon, Duke ran from camp, and Herdman, barefoot and dressed only in board shorts and a t-shirt set out after his canine companion.
Byars joined Herdman in search of the dog.
After a mile through the rugged Sespe River bottom, Byars & Herdman agreed to go separate directions to cover more ground.
When neither Herdman nor Duke returned to camp, Byars began to search for either or both of them, traveling up and down the Sespe creek. He continued searching for them all day Saturday…without success.


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The following day (Sunday) Byars continued his search, and, at some point, realized that help would be needed.
He left a backpack with supplies at the campsite (should Herdman return), and, in attempt to make his way out of the unfamiliar territory, became disoriented and lost, but eventually, with the aid of two fishermen that frequent a nearby creek, found his vehicle.
Sometime later that day (Sunday) he contacted ‘the authorities’ with the foregoing tale (*).
Even later the same day an official search (a couple of Deputies) was begun for Herdman (&/or Duke).


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Monday, June 16th, the first full day of Search & Rescue (S&R) operations, crews on foot, horseback and in helicopters were utilized.
By the beginning of the second day of S&R operations “Investigators” said that there were no signs of foul play and that everything Byars had told them checked out “so far”.
S&R operations were headed by Ventura County Sheriff’s Department Search & Rescue Division, who had 50 crews on foot and horseback, in addition to the helicopter crews looking from the air.
On Tuesday, they found ‘Herdman’s “backpack and some footprints indicating his southerly direction of travel along the creek”
One source stated that Duke had run off “for an unknown reason”.
The same source quoted Sgt. Eric Buschow of the Ventura County Sheriff’s Department as saying that Byars “took a day and a half to get out of the mountains because they were two days back on foot when this happened…”, and that “…he had already been out for two days and nights on his own when we first got notified.”
The same source stated that 45 persons were involved in the S&R operations as of Tuesday.

Wednesday morning, the 18th, The LA Times reported that more footprints (belonging to Herdman) were found “south of the campsite near a creek bed”, and that bloodhounds were being used in the search.
The same article further stated that Byars took two days to hike out of the wilderness area, and that there was no further evidence that Herdman had returned to the campsite.
Said article also stated that both Herdman & Byars were familiar with the area.
Sgt. Buschow added that Herdman should have access to water in the nearby creek.

By Wednesday evening the CBS affiliate in Los Angeles reported that Duke had been spotted, and that Herdman’s wife had been taken into the wilderness to retrieve the dog, but that said efforts were unsuccessful.

As of 5 PM, Thursday, KTLA 5 reported that Duke had again been spotted…but got away from searchers.
It was further reported that 11 special agents with the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s Homeland Security Investigations Rapid Response Team were transported via helicopter, joining the search for Herdman.
Said report appeared to clarify that Duke had run off while Herdman & Byars were setting up camp…
This report, however, stated that Byars had searched for Herdman for nearly two days before making his way out of the wilderness…and attributed said claim to a statement released Monday evening from the Arcadia Fire Department.
The report also stated that the Los Angeles Times had reported that Duke was spotted northwest of Sulphur Peak near the Sespe Creek.
The Ventura County Sheriff’s Office had actually announced that one of the search teams was being extracted by helicopter with the dog…but minutes later, the same Sheriff’s Office tweeted that the dog had gotten away.

Friday, June 20th, 50 more ‘crews’ from Los Angeles, Orange, Fresno and Kern counties joined the Ventura County task force in search of Herdman.
According to Sgt. Eric Buschow, these were human trackers, specially trained in recognizing & interpreting footprints. Said article reiterated that Duke had run off while Herdman and Byars were setting up camp, and that a short time after both Herdman and Byars began searching for Duke, the two men were separated.
A certain Andrew Pryor spoke on behalf of Byars, stating that Byars knew he couldn’t find Herdman on his own, and so…went to get help. Further stating that Byars left a full pack of supplies for Herdman, and began walking out of the creek, where he became confused, disoriented and lost.
On said Friday, the 20th, an unmanned aircraft was added to the S&R efforts in addition to harmonicas and four search dogs.
Searchers did not spot Duke on Friday.
One of the Homeland Security Agents said that Duke had looked good on Thursday, but that he was frazzled and would not come to anyone calling him.
He clarified that Duke had been seen on both Wednesday & Thursday about a mile to a mile and a half northwest of the campsite (&/or – where Herdman was last seen…).
Los Angeles Animal Services had set up a trap for Duke in the vicinity where he was last seen.
Investigators furthered the claim that there were no signs of foul play or reasons to suspect the same.
Terrain and other environmental conditions were blamed for both the difficulty of the search and injuries to four searchers.

The San Gabriel Valley (SGV) Tribune stated that Herdman visited the Sespe Wilderness area of the Los Padres National Forest on four prior occasions.

The same SGV Tribune article said that Byars “found help from two fishermen who frequent a nearby creek”.
From another article of the same date and, likewise, in the SGV Tribune, Drew Pryor, an Arcadia firefighter, speaking on behalf of Taylor Byars said that Byars traveled up and down the creek looking for Herdman, and that the two fishermen helped him get back to the parking lot where he’d left his truck… Sgt. Eric Buschow said that the fishermen called investigators after hearing about the missing firefighter on the news and indicated that they found a bag left behind by Byars…

On Monday, June 23rd, Ventura County Sheriff Geoff Dean announced that S&R efforts were curtailed to a handful of volunteers. He stated that almost 100 S&R workers had scoured more than 50 square miles with no sign of Herdman.
Duke had been ‘caught’ on Sunday, 14 miles from where he had been spotted on the two previous occasions. Authorities said that he was dehydrated and exhausted.
In relating the tale of what had happened to Herdman, Sheriff Dean said that Byars had searched for Herdman & Duke throughout the first night (Friday) and the next day (Saturday), and that a pair of fishermen found Byars “dehydrated, disheveled and disoriented”, and guided him back to the beginning of the trail head at Tar Creek, where Byars and Herdman’s trip began. And that after making it to his car, Byars drove to the sheriff’s station in Fillmore and reported his friend missing, after which a couple of deputies began a search, the same evening.
After reiterating the difficulty of the terrain and conditions, ‘Dean said that crews had searched 20 miles of Sespe Creek and 50 square miles around it, with more than 4,600 man hours invested.

No new developments came from the next three days search efforts.
On Friday morning, June 27th, however, a Deputy Pilot who’d just dropped a crew off near the last place Herdman had been seen, saw something, a color or shape that didn’t seem to fit the landscape, and circled a few times until a crew was sent to confirm that it was, indeed, the badly decomposed body of Mike Herdman, some 500’ (+/-) downslope the base of a 100-200’ cliff face, partially hidden from view, in tall grass.
The body location was reported in various ways, but most consistently as 3/4 of a mile from, and 1,200’ in elevation above the last place seen.

Officials stated that the area had not been searched closely as such searches focus on places someone trying to survive would go…such as, near water, shade and shelter, and why someone would go such a distance, and make such a climb, barefoot and barely dressed “in the middle of the night” was a question whose answer remained with Mike Herdman.
An autopsy was ordered.

July 1st, the Medical Examiner reported that Mike Herdman had died from blunt force trauma consistent with falling from a cliff, and that MDMA and alcohol were found in samples taken from muscle & liver tissue recovered from the decomposed body.
Time of death was simply placed at the time the body was found. It was apparent that death had occurred prior, but the state of decomposition and depredation ruled-out any kind of determinate accuracy.

* For the sake of “the Official Story”, we have presumed that Byars told the Sheriff’s Investigators (the Authorities) about the Fishermen.

The entire “Official Story”, as we have been privy, hinges on a tale told by the 27 year-old Taylor Byars.
As the authorities in charge of vetting that story declared that it “checked out”, and that “No Foul Play” was indicated, we are left with a story that neither makes sense to us or them.
Sunday, June 15th, 2014, was Father’s Day. It was reported that Mike Herdman was determined to be home to celebrate the day with his young daughter & wife. He was 36 years old.

Why would a trained Emergency Services professional act so irresponsibly?
Why would a trustworthy canine companion bolt and give long chase?

Little information that would confirm Byars’ story, gleaned from the 12 days of SAR operations made it into the public record, as presented by various sources of news and discussion other than – “His story checks out, so far” &/or that “there is no indication of foul play”.
Many reports of ‘the story’ say that Duke ran off while Herdman & Byars were setting up camp. If this was the case – what was the day’s hike like, if they were setting up camp at 9:30 PM?
The entire circuit for the 4-day hike was measured at 23 +/- miles… Some said that a determined, experienced & capable individual could make said circuit in one day. If so – was there a lot of meandering, sight-seeing &/or rabbit-trailing going on through the course of that third day?

Could Ecstasy (*Amphetamine & MDMA*) and alcohol explain such extreme and irrational behaviors that resulted in Mike Herdman’s demise?
If so – was that also why Duke ran off?

There are 7 major players in this drama…each contributing major question marks to the story’s mystery.
1. The story appears to begin with Duke running & Mike Herdman chasing… Duke survived – Herdman did not. We need to look at Duke.
2. Mike Herdman was the experienced Hiker, the planner, and one would expect “the leader” in this expedition…yet, he appears to have acted in the most inexperienced, incongruous and irresponsible manner, resulting in the ultimate folly. We will look at questions regarding his acts, movement/s and motivation.
3. The bases of the story (up to Search & Rescue operations, and even pervading said operations) is Byars’ tale to the Authorities (Investigators)…and Byars has been strangely silent on the topic, since. We must ask questions of his story and…him.
4. The fishermen were an odd addition to the story in a variety of ways – and, we will look at them and their odd contribution for clarification.
5. The Sespe Wilderness area of the Los Padres National Forest presents its own unique intrigue to the story… So unique, in fact, that it may have contributed more than faulty-footholds to the demise of Mr. Herdman.
6. The Authorities ---The Sheriff, Investigators, Search & Rescue Teams, Professional Trackers and a Fraternity of Emergency Services Personnel laying life & limb on the line for a missing brother. In the end, his death was declared an accident…then…the case was sealed. Why? And with what justification?
7. Journalism – gave us the story as it developed – but didn’t ask the questions we are asking. Why?

Duke The Dog

The drama in this story began with Duke running from camp.
Mike Herdman had rescued the Vizsla (Hungarian Pointing & Retrieving mountain dog) three years prior to the events told in the story above.
It was said of Herdman and Duke that they were inseparable.
Herdman apparently trusted the dog enough to bring him on such adventures as multi-day hikes through rugged terrain and…for 3 days – there were no problems.

It is difficult, therefore, to gain a handle on what kind of behavior Duke might have exhibited to inspire Herdman to leave camp, barefoot and barely dressed…for more than a few minutes.
After all – this was bear, mountain lion, and other vicious predators’ home turf.
Meaning – If Herdman had thought Duke took off after a mountain lion or bear – what are the odds that he would not have dressed and outfitted a little more appropriately?

…Unless, of course, he was blitzed out of his gourd on Ecstasy and Alcohol, as the Coroner’s report introduced for possibility.
If that were the case, then, is it possible that Duke was running from Herdman, rather than from or after something-else?
And, if that were so, we would have two strange events coinciding to start this tragic tale.

If, though, Herdman was blitzed off his rocker…why would Byars accompany him in search of Duke?
If he was blitzed enough to frighten-away his inseparable companion…that forgives and forgets like no other…who else would want to be around him in such a state?
If Byars accompanied him to the point called “Last Place Seen”…they were together for more than a mile, on foot, traversing treacherous terrain all the way…at night.

I have frightened a beloved pet, before…such that they ran from me, and…all it took was – “Come here Buddy – I’m sorry”…and…we would have, in no terms, been considered ‘inseparable’.
Herdman would need to have continued to taunt and/or threaten the dog…all the while, for Duke to have continued running away - - - - and, again…why would Byars stay with him through such antics (and not relate this very significant part of the tale)?


Again – this is bear, mountain lion and rattlesnake country. Rescuers reported seeing bear sign immediately upon exiting the chopper.
If Duke caught a whiff of bear or mountain lion – what should have been new about that?…unless they were in close proximity to the camp and he perceived threat.
If he had, though, perceived threat due to proximity – surely Byars would have heard the tell-tale signs of the predator/s running away with Duke in pursuit.
And, if so – why not tell it that way?

Duke would have come across ample bear and mountain lion scents through the three days of hiking to that campsite.
Did he bolt every time?
…Then why wasn’t this part of Byars’ tale?


Since none of the previous possibilities made it into Byars’ tale – I am willing to allow that they did not take place.
If, though, these ‘reasonable possibilities’ are not the cause of Duke’s sudden and interminable exit from camp…we must consider other possibilities, however likely or unlikely they might be.

If we hypothetically assume that Byars would have reported any extraordinary sounds or other happenings near the campsite, had that been the case, we might also assume that a wandering Duke was not unusual-enough to draw a barely clad Herdman and fully clad Byars into extensive pursuit.
And that would leave the question/s –
Was he pursuing, or fleeing?
Is it possible that someone-else in that full-moon-lit night wanted to lure Duke with a dog whistle?
If so – why?
Especially if…Duke was not the…prey.
How could they (the hypothetical someone-else) have known that Herdman (&/or Byars) would follow for more than a mile of rough treading…?
… … …

Duke was reportedly seen on two consecutive days by Search & Rescuers.
There was, however, a disparity among reporters as to ‘where’ he was seen.


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Some reported that he was seen a mile to a mile & a half northwest of the campsite.


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Some reported a mile to a mile and a half northwest of the last place Herdman was seen.


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And some reported a mile to a mile and a half northwest of Sulphur Peak.


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Note: The pin labeled “Vantage 2” is where the evidentiary photographs show the body to have been recovered.

Of the three possible locations that Duke was actually seen…which looks to be the most likely?

If you chose Northwest of Sulphur Peak, so did I.

If you were in charge of Search & Rescue operations, wouldn’t you find something suspicious about the dog remaining in virtually the same location two days in a row?
Note that Taylor Byars, apparently, did not see Duke in his search efforts, and Duke was not seen by rescuers Monday or Tuesday.
Unless someone was feeding the dog in that vicinity…wouldn’t you expect that he was remaining near his human companion?
And yet – the search efforts ONLY focused on capturing Duke…

This kind of decision inspires one to hope neither they nor their loved ones are ever in a situation where survival relies on intelligent decisions made by…The Pros.

In the end, the Sheriff clarified that they invested no significant S&R efforts into the area where the body was found because their focus was Rescue…not recovery.
They were looking for someone trying to survive…
It is logical to assume that the magnitude of effort would not have been invested had they known Mr. Herdman was already deceased.
BUT – had Herdman been alive on Wednesday &/or Thursday, they ignored (or – were deaf to) the signs given by the third member of the hiking party.
If Duke was making himself known (visible) to the search parties after two days of obscurity – but would not let them (including one of his own humans – Mrs. Herdman) capture him, wouldn’t just a bit of deduction suggest he might want them to follow, rather than leave?


S&R personnel said that Duke was “scared of people”…after the two sightings. (Days 5 & 6 since Herdman’s disappearance)
After the first sighting (& on the same day…?), the Widow-That-Was-or-Was-To-Be – Mrs. Herdman – was taken by chopper…to attempt to improve the chances of capturing Duke.
The reports did not tell much of what happened.
So – a question mark is painted over:
1. Did they see the dog, with Mrs. Herdman on board?
2. If they did – was it only once?
3. If they did, and it was not only once…how many times?
4. If they did, once or more times – Was Mrs. Herdman set down on the ground (don’t even know if that would have been possible/practical given some of the environs in the general vicinity)…and, if so, was she far enough removed from the chopper, to allow Duke an honest chance to address or rejoin her…?
(Did Mrs. Herdman & Duke even get along? … … … Not an uncommon situation.)
5. Did they fail to see the dog, with Mrs. Herdman on board… ? … …and her appearance was for sex appeal, only… ? (Hollywood! – We Love It!)
Otherwise…we’re stuck with – “The Probable-Widow, tried and failed to retrieve Duke…too.”
If we take a Normal World viewpoint…and that it was just curiosity that led the dog away…, Herdman &/or Byars should have found Duke in relative-short-order.
- If a dog is running away from something… At some point, when it doesn’t feel/sense the threat immediately behind…it will generally turn around…to see if its terror is still…threatening…
Did Herdman…while scrambling through the creek-way…see Duke…atop some boulder…looking for signs of terror? …or, to invite Herdman…on…?
Or --- did Duke…never turn around?
If so – Duke was in pursuit of something that he preferred…over his ‘master/buddy/human-companion’…
Or
– Duke had a vision of the end of the world…and wasn’t turning around or stopping…‘til he found..it…(…the end of the world…)


Three days of setting traps, playing harmonicas and calling with friendly pleas for the lost pet went for naught, as Duke apparently decided he would get no help from the rescuers…and made his way out to a parking area, where family of Herdman caught and rescued the exhausted and dehydrated dog.


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Which parking area Duke was recovered in is unclear from published reports. Sheriff Dean said that Duke was found/recovered 14 miles from where he was first spotted.
Numerous reports stated that Duke was found at the parking area at the trailhead where the hike began…as if looking for Herdman’s (or Byars’?) vehicle.
From where Duke was first spotted, this would only be about 3 or 4 miles, as the crow flies.
The only way this would have been where Duke was found (if the Sheriff was correct on how far the dog travelled from Thursday to Sunday) would be if he backtracked the route of the first three days of hiking.
And, still, it would come short by about 2 or 3 miles.
If Duke was recovered in the parking area where the other vehicle had been stationed, at where the hike was to end, it would still only be another 3 or 4 miles, as the crow flies.
The only parking area this researcher has found that would fit the “14 miles” parameter, was due west of where he had been spotted on Wednesday & Thursday.
It would have been a longer journey, but more of a rolling, grassy terrace than following the Sespe Creek.

With Duke’s exit from the forest, it seemed that hope disappeared for Mike Herdman’s rescue, as S&R efforts were cut back to a skeleton crew of volunteers for the following days.

Mike Herdman

Mike Herdman was to turn 37 years old two days after his body was recovered.
He was born 6/29/1977, grew up in Southern California, and was a resident of Dana Point, California.
He was remembered by his Fire Chief as one that always pushed the envelope, and was always laughing or smiling.
He loved animals, having majored in Animal Science at Cal-Poly San Luis Obispo, and seemed to want to rescue any animal he came across.
He met his wife, Bridget, at Cal Poly, and they married in 2003. Their one child, Sienna, was born in 2007.

As Mike Herdman was not a public figure, all we know, past these verifiable ‘facts’, is hearsay.
The Captain of his Fire Station, speaking in remembrance, told of a man full of practical jokes, pranks, and challenges to his fellow firemen. An example given – he challenged another to race around a school – and then, dressed in full gear…and beat his opponent.
He was said to have hiked the Sespe Wilderness area four other times, and that Duke was a regular at his campouts.

With the foregoing in mind, it might be advisable to temper any conjecture that relies on the doings of “an ordinary man” with the recognition that Mr. Herdman (as well as Taylor Byars) was both fit and willing to compete.

Before going any further, it might be worth the pause & effort to address a glaring fault in the foregoing tale.
Information posted in the public domain, purportedly derived through interviews with Law Enforcement, Search & Rescue Operations, friends, relatives and co-workers left much to be desired for anyone following the story as it developed.
And, since no video, audio or written testimony of Taylor Byars was made public, we are left only with the following verifiable facts:
1. Mike Herdman & Taylor Byars were 'co-workers', experienced firemen & physically fit…with the 36 year-old Herdman being an avid outdoorsman (with numerous hikes in the very location that 'the incident' took place), and the 27-year old Byars known as an accomplished martial artist, but inexperienced at such hikes.
2. They (Herdman, Byars and Duke) set out on a 4-day hiking trip in the Los Padres National Forest…along Sespe Creek…
3. A few days after they left for the hike…Byars exited the 'wilderness' into the helpful arms of ‘two fishermen’ - who purportedly directed him back to his vehicle…
4. Minimal (but immediate) Search & Rescue efforts were launched after the Sheriff's department heard Byars' tale, Sunday evening, and a full-scale operation was underway the following morning.
5. Byars purportedly left a backpack full of supplies at/around the campsite, and said purported backpack was found, Tuesday, by S&R (presumably), as well as Herdman’s tracks south of the campsite.
6. Duke was seen on Wednesday & Thursday of the first week, in the general vicinity of where the hikers had been hiking/camping…, specialized human trackers were brought in from the Department of Homeland Security’, and more of Herdman’s tracks were found along Sespe Creek south of the campsite, from which it was determined that he was walking (not running), and was not favoring either leg/side in his gait.
7. A couple/few days later, Duke was seen and corralled in a parking area at a trailhead, some 14 miles from where he’d last been seen…
8. The two fishermen that purportedly assisted Byars out of danger and to his car, “after hearing of the missing hiker” contacted the authorities, saying that they had found the campsite and backpack of supplies (we have no idea when they contacted authorities – this news was not released to the public until Friday, one week after the tragic tale began).
9. Two weeks after Herdman was reported to have gone missing…his body was found within a couple miles of the campsite.

As we have no evidence to the contrary (nor to confirm), we must accept that the story Byars told the Sheriff’s Dept. Investigators is also the story that we were given.
Furthermore – without evidence to the contrary (*), we must begin with one eye counting the story as ‘true’, and the other (eye) inspecting every detail for consistency.

The range of situations that might send a normal man walking/running away from camp attired in little more than befits a restroom break in the rough & rugged Sespe Wilderness a few miles north of the Devil’s Gate, are few and far between.
According to the story related by the Sheriff, Duke left camp around 9:30 PM and both Herdman & Byars went after him.
One of the common skills of Firemen is - the ability to suit-up in a flash.
He had taken Duke on these excursions before. Three days of hike were already behind, and, unless Byars failed to mention it – Duke hadn’t taken off, unexpectedly, or in such a manner as to cause alarm.
And one would think that Herdman had some kind of trust that Duke would not do precisely what he was reported to have done…
So – two red flags go up at the start of this tale:
1. Duke taking off unexpectedly (or staying away too long), and
2. Herdman leaving camp ‘with such urgency’ that he didn't 'suit up'.

Following the most likely path Duke would have travelled, which corresponds to the path finger-traced by the Sheriff, the first quarter mile, from campsite to creek-bed, would be hell on bare feet.
The next mile and a quarter…to the location the Sheriff identified as the last place Herdman was seen would have been hell to traverse in bare or shod feet, as numerous reports from the field claimed that the rocks & boulders were heavily covered in a slimy algae/moss.
The ‘expert trackers’ said that his footprints did not suggest injury. I am willing to accept this statement to the full extent, meaning that they found no blood in the prints, either (did not cut either foot on rocks, twigs, etc…, prior to said tracks). This might further explain ‘why’ – though he was purportedly ‘chasing Duke’ – his tracks did not appear ‘hurried’.

The image below shows 5 spots where he could have exited the river bottom without having to scale rock faces, with the first such place being the “Last Place Seen”. You might note that there are no such exits on the east side of the river bottom. The path from each of these exits to where his body was found would have been terribly difficult, and the “4th Next Exit”, almost undoable (to return back to where his body was found – “Vantage2”).


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Did Herdman travel straight to his demise, or search and wander?
Who knows?
We don’t actually know that Duke ran off to start the escapade. We are simply starting by taking Byars’ story at face value, and, since there is nothing in the evidence/s that made their respective way/s into the public domain that can prove or disprove said story, we will continue to follow that path and ask questions where they arise.

As the story developed speculations ran high that he met his match in a cougar or bear. If such were the case, it would, likewise, seem probable that said predator was ‘why Duke ran off’ in the first place.
The likelihood of such an explanation, however, grows dim with the fact that Duke did not return with injuries consistent with such an encounter – and – what dog is going to chase a predator, and not engage said predator when it attacks the dog’s human companion?

To the possibility that Herdman got lost – the fact that he was no ‘stranger to these environs’ and that from any place he might have climbed…Sespe Creek was downhill, and the campsite was by the creek, it seems unlikely.

Was Herdman acting extraordinarily when leaving camp dressed in only board shorts and t-shirt? If so, few things can explain such behavior other than raging testosterone, illicit drugs (PCP, hallucinogens, methamphetamine, cocaine, etc…, ) and/or psychosis, as any of these can delude their ‘victim’ into feelings of super-hero strength & ability.
The coroner reported Ecstasy (or, two of its primary components – MDMA & amphetamine) in tissue samples taken from the corpse, as well as ‘alcohol’.
So, again, we are faced with the question – “Did Duke leave camp because of aberrant behavior?”. And, if so, “Was Byars under the influence of raging testosterone, illicit drugs & alcohol, or psychosis as well?”
If Byars was under said influence (probably not a shared psychosis, I would imagine), did law enforcement test for such when he reported the story and was interviewed by investigators?
We don’t know. The case is sealed.

When the Sheriff reported that the body had been found and recovered, he expressed some confusion at the body’s placement on the mountainside, saying that it was too far from the cliff-face to entertain the notion that it had rolled to its final resting place.
The coroner said that cause of death was blunt force trauma consistent with falling from the/a cliff, and that death was “immediate” upon impact.
If that is correct, then, the only normal explanation for how the body arrived at its resting place would be a large predator dragging it there, as – immediate death does not allow for crawling or dragging oneself anywhere.
On another hand - if he fell from the top of the cliff…perhaps he hit some of the 'jutting' stratigraphy, causing the body to go into a kind of bouncing-tumble once hitting the ground below…and…the "brush covering" could simply be the result of 'rolling into brush, and coming to rest while applying pressure to the base of the brush rolled-into…

There are scarce few possibilities that might result in the story we were told…that do not require USE's (Unidentified Spooky Explanations) …with one/some of them including hallucinogens &/or mdma, etc…
Was the amount(/s) of the substances reported (taking into account, degradation of samples) sufficient to explain his/their behavior.
If so – maybe this story fits the hand called… "Boys will be boys…even when they are Men."

For whatever cause Duke might have left the campsite, questions are raised as to how the rest of the story developed.
Did Herdman note the manner in which Duke 'ran off'…and recognized that he needed to go investigate, with haste…?
If so – (i)did Byars simply follow along, right away (someone reported that Herdman didn't 'boot-up' because his shoes were wet, and that Byars offered another set of shoes/boots…but…Herdman declined the offer -- I have not seen this confirmed or verified -- but allow that it might be the case)…; (ii) was there some discussion before Herdman took off after Duke…that included "we'll go together"…; or (iii) did Herdman take off in such a rush that Byars was left wondering…and after some hesitation/deliberation, set out after them…?

If Duke was fleeing some perceived threat, though…then…imo…a significant portion of the story has been intentionally redacted from the public tale, or Byars didn't remember/recall that part…
If Duke was fleeing – the men would probably have been fleeing, as well…UNLESS…it was one or both of the men that he was running from.

As noted earlier – a few miles south of the campsite was an area known as The Devil’s Gate, being an almost inescapable passage through sheer rock walls out of the National Forest. The name was purportedly given by settlers that misinterpreted the Native American name for “Bad God Tower”.

If you inch along the creek-path on Google Earth, past “Last Place Seen”, there are no nice, pleasant options out of the river bottom…for a long way.
And, if you bypass “1st Next Exit” and “2nd Next Exit”, you will be in for an immediate transition to ‘virtually no opportunities’…for another 2/3-or-more miles…before another difficult, but doable opportunity presents itself.
Virtually every place he might have started climbing out…would have presented an incline ratio of 1 unit forward and 1 unit upward/higher…
That is work.
It wouldn’t matter if he was a marathoner, pentathlete or Iron Man…
He had just spent a full day hiking (being the 3rd full day, hiking) through what is regularly described as very difficult terrain…then, just traversed 1 or 2 miles, barefoot, at night, through the Sespe Creek…and then – had to work like an abused beast to ascend the mountain (for what reason? – a better view? – to prove something? – ?)…

If he elected the first set of doable opportunities…why did he continue going/climbing ‘south’ (SW)?
If he missed the first doable opportunities to climb out…and chose the next group (which would have been a slight overshoot…to where he ended), why would he try (apparently) to climb the rock face, going back in the direction he’d come from?

Taylor Byars

Not a lot was written of Taylor Byars through the days and weeks of this ordeal. What he said or might have said was either relayed through co-workers or related by the Ventura County Sheriff’s Department.
As noted earlier, we have taken the story attributed to him at face value until/unless questions arise in the course of consideration. And, whether the hodge-podge of details that made their various ways into the public domain were accurately reported, or not, we are left with the skeleton of a tale that doesn’t appear to stand on its own.
We were told that Byars decided to hike out and get help, after a failed effort was invested into locating his buddy & Duke.
We were told that the 'hike out' took two days (as well as, he searched up and down the Sespe Creek all day Saturday and part of Sunday before deciding to hike out).
Byars was supposedly not an experienced outdoorsman, or…he was not experienced in this particular forest.
Did he hike the full/solid 2 days…out? Or, did it only take him a few hours of hiking (on Sunday), getting disoriented and dehydrated in the process…before stumbling upon the heroic fishermen?
Did he continue hiking through the darkness…or… stop to rest and make camp…or…?
Where was he found by the two fishermen…?
That information might help in answering these questions.

According to the “Body Found” news conference…Herdman & Byars took off to find/retrieve Duke, together…and at some point decided to split up.
While this is at odds with most of the reports that preceded…it seemed to be the Sheriff's understanding, in the end…

Some questioned - "maybe Herdman took off sometime in the night, and Byars didn't realize he was gone until he awoke the next morning" …
But - how could Byars know that Herdman took off in only shorts & shirt (and that he was barefoot), unless he witnessed the exit? It is not likely that he had inventoried Herdman's backpack…and would know what was not missing

Some questioned why Byars didn’t hear any screams or calls for help…
What about Herdman calling for Duke? One might expect that he would have heard this throughout the first night…unless Herdman immediately headed for the place of his demise once they split up.

If Byars was not culpable, but felt responsible…could that explain the lack of information flowing from his end into the public domain?
… … … ?
One thing that might turn this into a believable story is - clouded-memory.
Terror could cause such a short-circuit.
Mind/Psyche-altering substances could cause such a short-circuit.

As regards Byars coming out with more detail, that makes the rest of his story fit neatly…there are other possibilities…like:
- he doesn't believe he actually saw/witnessed what he recalls…
- he does recall…and fears that others will think he's fabricating…
- he knows exactly what he saw…and was debriefed/(threatened) 'not to tell'
These may be weak attempts…but, they are possible…until other information is forwarded to soundly refute them (imo).
If, though, there is a scary monster in that forest… "Why Herdman?" … "Why not Herdman and Byars?"

Is it possible that Byars (and, perhaps, the fishermen) spooked Duke & Herdman?
If it was just Byars - I don't see Duke running off…before Herdman.
Byars would need to be pretty cunning and intense to pull that off.
He would need to get Duke warm enough to let his guard down…so he could land an "out of nowhere" punch or kick…
Herdman would not have been aware of it…(unless he was already terrified of Byars - but, usually - the dog will not trust someone that you do not trust - & Duke would not have let his guard that far down around someone he had no reason to trust) ---
Again - though - there are scenarios that would justify someone/Byars being good enough to pull this off… (self-made mercenary, gov't-made mercenary, industry-bought mercenary, mob…)

The two fishermen could have been the backup &/or cleanup crew.
The fishermen could have blown a dog whistle.
For any of that to work, though, we would want to know why Herdman would be special-enough that such efforts were worth it?

Is it possible that someone would 'want Herdman' bad enough to place a killer into a/the locker next to Herdman’s…to buddy up…and cozy up…long enough to go through an elaborate charade…and kill Herdman…and cover it with a crappy story?

If so (minus the crappy cover story), then we’re probably looking at a deep grudge or vendetta.
Too easy to put a bullet in him.
Too much time to wait…for “I want him dead!”
Unless you have something special to give him…like…payback…

Could it be as simple as something he saw in the course/s of his Firefighting career…
But, the kind of vendetta that would justify…waiting…plotting…and killing… – … That looks personal

The Fishermen

‘How' were they 'hiking'?
Were they trying to make as much time/ground/distance as possible, each day?
…Taking time to enjoy themselves, and dive in some pools, or relax in some hot springs?
It seemed that they had a destination, and were trying to trek the entire Trail in a given amount of time…
Whatever the case, Byars had a good hike to get back…even if he knew his way around/through that territory.
Where was he rescued by the fishermen?
If they found the pack of goods he purportedly left behind…he must have told them of the situation…since they would need to traverse the entire distance (presumably - back to the campsite) after leading/taking him to his vehicle…and…that seems a rather extreme measure if they had no story to lead them in said direction.

It seems unfathomable that the two fishermen found the campsite without being, at least, 'tipped' to its location, by Byars. (It wasn’t until the second day of operations that the campsite & backpack were found Search & Rescuers)
If he told them nothing more than "I need help finding my car/truck"… why they would have headed back in the direction of the campsite…?
AND…just seeing a 'campsite' during daylight, does not mean that it is abandoned - so - what might have alerted them to its significance if they had not been given some kind of story by Byars…?

If these were ‘normal everyday fishermen that frequent a nearby creek…out doing what they do, frequently’…I don’t think they would immediately drop their plans and progress…and lead Byars back to his vehicle, without hearing enough of the story to convince them of, at least, urgency.
For them to have been able to find/locate the campsite…after discovering Byars, then hiking or driving (or hiking-then-driving) him to his vehicle… They would definitely need to be frequent guests of the park/forest.
What kind of sense can you make of someone’s directions…if they are Clinically “Disoriented”?
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Not only did they find the campsite…but, found the Backpack of supplies left for Herdman (according to some sources) – and avoided (presumedly) the first group of official searchers.

When did the fishermen contact ‘investigators’? ;
When did Byars mention them to ‘investigators/authorities’? ; and
When was this information/side-story released or given to the media & public?
Why was this not a part of the story from the start?
Did Byars forget about them until they contacted the investigators?
How did they contact the investigators?
Which investigators did they contact?
Are they reachable - - - without the Bat-Signal?

I find the probability that they were the first to be on site…alone…where all the footprints, and backpacks & gear would need to be left untouched by anyone-or-thing but nature…to give investigators the best chance at determining what happened, in effort to find Herdman alive (if possible)…troubling, at best.
After not seeing their contribution/s reported in the first few days of news…did they suspect that suspicion/s might be drawing their way…?
How could their involvements not be suspicious to Law Enforcement?

They corroborated Byars’ story?
Really?


If, after rescuing Byars, and considering his desperate tale, they decided to go ‘looking’ for Herdman (or – whatever-else they might have been looking for) on foot…the shortest crow-flight from the Trailhead, was in the range of 3 miles…with all of it, mountains & wilderness.
If they followed the trail…they probably travelled 6 +/- miles (minimally)…on foot.

Were these fishermen also ‘trackers’?

Unless Byars gave them some outstanding descriptions & directions…how in the freak did they find the campsite… ?

The first mention of the fishermen in the
San Gabriel Valley Tribune, was dated June 20, 2014.
Until then, all that had ever been stated, was – Byars looked for Herdman, left supplies, tried to find his way out…got lost and disoriented…but, made his way back to civilization, and contacted the authorities (Sunday evening).
In this first (that I have found) mention of the fishermen, they are only credited with “helping” Byars. (also saying that they frequent a nearby creek)
So – we are told that they were involved in the story, as of June 15th, but no mention of them until June 20th…

Then, in another article published by the same San Gabriel Valley Tribune, only 20 minutes after the first article…more detail was given, saying that the fishermen helped Byars back to the parking area…and found a/the backpack belonging to Herdman…and that they called the authorities after hearing about the incident on the news

Was it ‘the news’, ‘the authorities’, or ‘whom’…that was purposefully leaving them out of the story?
And – why might it have become convenient/necessary to introduce this piece of the puzzle 5 or more days after-the-fact?

In this article more information was leaked to the public…where Sgt. Kevin Donoghue of the Ventura County Sheriff’s Office claimed that “Byars was dehydrated and appeared disoriented when the fishermen found him on Sunday”…

In this article, published by the San Gabriel Valley Tribune on June 20th…it is stated that:
Quote:“…The fishermen called investigators after hearing about the missing firefighter on the news and indicated they found a bag left behind by Byars…” (according to Sgt. Buschow)

(How does one indicate that they have found something?)

So – if this is an accurate depiction of what transpired…then – when did they find the “bag”, and when did they call “investigators”?
There were already feet on the ground, on Sunday evening, according to one or more articles.
There were certainly feet on the ground…in the vicinity beginning Monday morning…
WHEN did they find the bag?

…They didn’t know it was a big deal until they saw/heard it on the news?
When did the story first make the news?
Monday – June 16th, 2014.
Surely, they didn’t insert themselves into the search area…after an organized and concerted effort was fully underway…
But – they didn’t know it was important enough to call the authorities until…they heard/saw it on the news?

Puddles & Muddles

From the start, the story presented to the public was mired in fog.
In one telling, Herdman went in search of Duke, and Byars didn’t join the hunt until neither Herdman or Duke returned to camp the following morning.
In another telling, Herdman & Byars went in search of Duke, and became separated when Herdman left the creek-bed into some thick brush.
In yet another telling, Herdman & Byars went in search of Duke and agreed to separate to cover more ground.

Bloodhounds were utilized in the search, beginning the 2nd full day of S&R operations. They should have been able to track Herdman out of the creek-bed with no problem… Did they? Did they start up the mountainside, only to be pulled back (off the trail)?
The Sheriff said that not searching the area where Herdman’s body was found was a tactical decision. Why would they refuse to follow their best trackers/trailers indications (if, indeed, the bloodhounds indicated said direction)?

In the end, there is a little girl whose daddy, that faced terrifying situations day in and day out as a part of his chosen occupation, didn’t come home from a recreational outing.
Was he a victim of the domino effect? Or otherwise?
If you have any thoughts, or would like to add to this treatise, your input is welcome.

Special kudos go to the source of my involvement in this story – being one “randyvs”, a member of AboveTopSecret.com, whose eagle-eye zeroed in on the story very early, and quickly saw the similarities between this situation and the Missing-411 cases described by David Paulides.
Any discussion of said Missing-411 cases, and/or other such cases are welcome, as well.

Regards!


References:
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/06/1...-fillmore/
6:24 PM

http://ktla.com/2014/06/17/arcadia-firef...g-on-hike/
(video of interest)

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/06/1...-fillmore/
"4:31:00 PM - ""...Byars searched for Herdman for nearly two days before he made his way out of the wilderness and reported his friend missing Sunday evening...
""...Investigators said there are no signs of foul play.
""We had investigators talk to [Byars], as well ... to go over those details. And everything he's told us has checked out so far,"" sheriff's Sgt. Eric Buschow said.""
""...crews found the encampment with Herdman's belongings still there.
""We located Mr. Herdman's backpack and we also found some footprints indicating his direction of travel down the creek..."""

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/06...y-sheriff/
...these confiscations were from "four major illegal grow sites in the national forest"…

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/06/1...-fillmore/
"S&R believe they spotted the dog...
Crews took MH's wife into the rugged terrain to try and retrieve the dog named Duke, but...were unsuccessful.
""Last Friday night, Herdman, 36, and fellow firefighter/paramedic Taylor Byars hiked to Tar Creek Trail and set up camp along the Sespe Creek when Duke ran away.
""Herdman, who was barefoot and wearing shorts and a T-shirt, along with Byars, ran after the dog
""The two men became separated. Byars eventually made his way back to the campsite, but Herdman...and Duke never returned."""

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me...story.html
"5th day Herdman was 'missing'...
""Footprints and a backpack belong to MH...were found Tuesday...""
""Searchers also found more of Herdman's footprints south of the campsite near a creekbed...""
""Crews were using bloodhounds...""
""...Herdman was barefoot and wearing only shorts and a T-shirt when he ran after the dog when it took off unexpectedly Friday night from their campsite.""
""There was no evidence that Herdman returned to the (camp)site since he'd disappeared...""
""About 50 people searching the area...have to be flown in... Herdman &...friend were camping about 15 miles into the forest, an area they were both familiar with."""

http://ktla.com/2014/06/19/backcountry-s...on-agents/
"Article date & time: 6/19/2014, 12:58 pm ... updated on same date at 5:05 pm
This was apparently the fourth (?) day of a search for Herdman...
Duke was apparently spotted, again...but got away...again...
11 special agents with US ICE's Homeland Security Investigations Rapid Response Team...joined the search...
""Herdman...was last seen Friday by (Byars)...after the two ran after...Duke near Sespe Creek... The men had been setting up camp when Duke ran off.
""...Taylor Byars, became separated from Herdman, who had run off barefoot and in shorts and a T-shirt... When Herdman did not return to camp by morning, Byars began to search for him...
""...The pair were on a backpacking trip that began June 11 and were several days into the wilderness.
""Despite his best efforts and after nearly two days of searching, Mr. Byars made his way out of the wilderness...and reported Mr. Herdman's disappearance to the Ventura County Sheriff's Office in Fillmore on Sunday evening,""...
""The search...began Monday morning, based at the trailhead to Tar Creek.""
(link to Google map )
34°28'49.1""N 118°55'01.9""W"

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/...12161.html
"Dated Friday 6/20/2014 - 9:37 am
...two drones were added to the search effort on Thursday
...Herdman's backpack and footprints were found by his campsite
(video from this link... the footprints were analyzed by the professional trackers, and it appeared that he was walking, not running, at the time they were made... He did not appear to have been favoring either side or leg...which suggested that he was not injured at the time, as well... They also, reportedly said that the footprints appeared to have been made 'over the weekend' ...)
(2nd video from same link -- a team of 9 members camped overnight in the vicinity of the focused search area...hoping to hear or notice something/anything... but, no luck)"

http://ktla.com/2014/06/20/search-for-mi...on-mounts/
"""Herdman, a physically fit paramedic and firefighter from Dana Point who has extensive backcountry experience...""
""Duke (Herdsmans dog) found seven days after Herdman went missing, Duke was found in the parking lot where thir car had been parked."" "

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/06/2...refighter/
"Article dated 6/20/2014 - 10:10 pm
...they were hiking Tar Creek Trail...and had set up camp along the Sespe Creek...when...Duke ran away.
Byars ""left a pack full of supplies...behind and began walking out of the creek...""
""...Searchers spotted Duke near the creek Wednesday & Thursday...""
""...the dog looked good... ...running all over the place. Mentally he's frazzled because he's not coming to anyone who calls him...""
""The dog has shown up both times...about a mile north to northwest to where their campsite was when Mike was last seen..."""

http://www.sgvtribune.com/general-news/2...ing-forest
"""Taylor Byars...spent 24 hours searching for his friend and coworker before going on a day-long hike for help, according to a colleague speaking on Byars' behalf.""
""Byars...hiked out of the Los Padres...dehydrated and disoriented Sunday. He credits two fishermen with saving his life, according to...Drew Pryor."""

http://www.sgvtribune.com/general-news/2...-fifth-day
"SGVTribune - June 20, 2014""...Byars stumbled out of the forest dehydrated and disoriented after two days of wandering.
""He found help from two fishermen who frequent a nearby creek.
""...Byars told...deputies that Herdman got lost when he went to chase...Duke, who frequently went along on camp-outs.""
""...Duke...is so loyal to Mike, he doesn't leave him.""
(odd statement...since, of course, it was, supposedly BECAUSE Duke left Mike, that Mike left the campsite in such a hurry... ??))"

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/...12161.html
"Dated Friday 6/20/2014 - 9:37 am
...two drones were added to the search effort on Thursday
...Herdman's backpack and footprints were found by his campsite the footprints were analyzed by the professional trackers, and it appeared that he was walking, not running, at the time they were made...
He did not appear to have been favoring either side or leg...which suggested that he was not injured at the time, as well...
They also, reportedly said that the footprints appeared to have been made 'over the weekend' ...
A team of 9 members camped overnight in the vicinity of the focused search area...hoping to hear or notice something/anything... but, no luck"

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me...story.html
"Herdman, 36, vanished June 13 during a four-day hike with a fellow firefighter. When his dog, Duke, ran off that night, Herdman gave chase barefoot in only shorts and a T-shirt."

http://ktla.com/2014/06/27/mike-herdman-...ody-found/
"“Sadly, nobody but Mike is ever going to know … why he would take off into this kind of terrain, in the dark, in bare feet,” Dean said."

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/06/2...-fillmore/
"""It wasn’t until Friday that rescuers happened upon Herdman’s body in an area 1,200 feet above from his campsite.
During a news conference that afternoon, Ventura County Sheriff Geoff Dean said a medical examiner was working to determine the cause of death.
“It did not appear he had been trapped. It appeared he was laying over the terrain, partially covered by brush,” Dean said.
“There’s no indication whatsoever that there was foul play involved,” the sheriff said. """""

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me...story.html
“Herdman was found partially covered by brush below a cliff in a location 1,200 feet above and three-quarters of a mile away from the spot on Sespe Creek where he was last seen, Dean said.”

http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-0628-...story.html
"(causes confusion as to location of body and distance from campsite)
""...Dean said there was no indication of foul play. The sheriff said the body was about 3/4 of a mile from and 1,200 feet above the campsite, which was in the creek basin.
""...Herdman...may have tried to climb the cliff in the dark and fell...""
""...I'm not sure...we'll ever get an answer because he's the only one who can answer...why you go so far in the middle of the night like that...""
""The area had not been closely examined...""
""When you're searching, you're looking at where people...go to survive..."""

http://abc7.com/news/missing-firefighter...nd/145420/

http://ktla.com/2014/07/01/arcadia-firef...-examiner/
(toxicology report info)

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/07/0...s-pending/
(toxicology report info)

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me...story.html
(more confusion on body location and cause of death)

http://www.sgvtribune.com/general-news/2...roner-says
"chief deputy medical examiner…that might help in understanding the uncertainty associated with “time of death”.
(difficulty of climb)"

http://www.sgvtribune.com/social-affairs...-two-hours
(Funds raised for Herdman's daughter)

http://ktla.com/2014/07/09/memorial-serv...e-herdman/
(Herdman's Memorial Service)

http://sangabrielmnts.myfreeforum.org/ft...asc-70.php
(discussion of this case beginning 6/17/2014)

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  Ancient Sites and Artefacts
Posted by: Mystic Wanderer - 05-21-2016, 12:53 PM - Forum: Ancient Sites and Artefacts - Replies (7)

The Saracena Gate


Quote:The Saracena Gate, a Cyclopean masterpiece. Massive stones fitted together using the polygonal technique, long before the Romans and the Etruscans.

“There were Giants in the earth in those days.” ―Genesis 6:4

'The Nephilim were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.


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  Alien Interference V
Posted by: Mystic Wanderer - 05-21-2016, 12:31 PM - Forum: Alien Interference - Replies (1)

COVER-UPS



DARK JOURNALIST: Stanton Friedman - UFO Cover Up Revelations! MJ12 & ET Quarantine




Aliens and Pyramids Documentary 2015

OTHER MATERIAL






Alien Abduction, Bloodlines and Government Conspiracy with The Hidden Hand dir. James Carman






Documentary 2016 ~ Aliens Ancient ~Alien.Evolution & The.Other.Earth





The 1897 Aurora UFO Crash





If you like to listen while you work, you'll love this one. It gets really good around the 27:00 mark, and it lasts for hours and hours:

Ground Zero Media
'SERPO: MILABS AND THE HIDDEN HAND W/ BILL RYAN' - January 26, 2016
https://soundcloud.com/groundzeromedia/a2016-1-26



Project Blue Book: 130,000 pages Declassified Hits the web: Souce Link



FBI vault relating to UFOs. There are 16 sections contained in these documents:

Link: The FBI Vault


And another regarding unexplained phenomena:

Link: FBI - Unexplained Phenomenon


The Brown Mountain Lights



Link: Source



Ingo Swann, Penetration PDF: LINK



The Phoenix Lights, 1997

Article Link: Source


Original Phoenix Lights - UFO footage 3/3/1997




Could the Phoenix Lights Have Been an Alien Showdown?

Read it here: [/url][url=http://rogue-nation3.com/showthread.php?tid=302]Link


Ancient Alien Abduction described in 500 year old Chinese manuscript:

Link: Source


There are 159 videos covering all the seasons of Ancient Aliens from this publisher:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkwN1ljWBOg&;feature=youtu.be&list=PLogiOkqoIE4SBomMz-BBl66yotZFfh8hq



A PDF of All Alien Species:

Link: Source


The Secret Space Program built with Reverse-Engineered Alien Technology

Link: Source


This video shows the most common type of ET visiting Earth:




This is an awesome website which offers some of everything that is “aliens”:

Link: Source


Another website with links covering many UFO related topics:

Link: Source


The Lost Rendlesham CNN Special




Different Alien Races Living on Earth 2015 (with pictures)




Ten Suspected Secret Alien Bases Around the World:

Link: Source


Unexplained Science: Alien Code Found in Human DNA

Article Link: Source


Agarthans or ETs? | Eisenhower's 1954 Meeting With Extraterrestrials or Ancient Breakaway Civilization Humans From Inner Earth?

Link: Source


A website that lists many, many books on the UFO topic: http://mufonoc.org/books.htm



Some investigators have died in pursuit of the truth behind UFO’s such as Frank Edwards, Edward J. Ruppelt, Karla Turner, Phil Schneider, Ivan T. Sanderson, Doctor James McDonald, and many others. May all these brave souls rest forever in peace.






Rogue File written by: Mystic Wanderer 2016

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  Alien Interference IV
Posted by: Mystic Wanderer - 05-21-2016, 12:22 PM - Forum: Alien Interference - No Replies

The Alien Agenda



Do extraterrestrials have an agenda for the human species?
Some say we are an “experiment” which they have been “upgrading” for thousands of years.


The Ley Line of Human Evolution

Quote:“There exists a strong hypothetical basis for the possibility that Grays have been in intimate contact with us for a very long time.

Other UFO researchers, such as the late Budd Hopkins, have given us reasons for why the Grays are interacting with us. Perhaps it is a breeding program for the creation of hybrids. But if the Grays have been affecting human history and even prehistory, then their agenda for our evolution has been much broader in time and purpose than we have ever imagined. Perhaps our very anatomy was planned and “constructed” by the Grays themselves and not, as conventional evolutionary theory demands, by the forces of evolution, specifically natural selection.

The general trend of our evolution for the last six million years can be summarized as a reduction of the gut (from the mouth all the way to the anus) and a massive increase in cranial and brain size (humans possess a brain seven times larger than expected from mammals of a similar body size). Conventional human evolutionary theory explains these changes. Our larger brains have allowed us to adapt to a mosaic of environments that emerged in East Africa over the last eight million years, a patchwork through time and space of forested areas, woodlands, and savannah. Larger brains demand larger crania, and the greater head to body size ratio makes us appear more paedomorphic (childlike) in appearance, exciting the instinct for protection of one another and leading towards greater social cooperation. The relatively recent explosion in brain size and neural reconstruction occurred a little less than a million years ago, and this has been explained by our discovery of cooking, which reduced the necessity for a robust gut and allowed for the expansion of the brain during fetal development.

If we look at the anatomy of the Grays we see this same trend dramatically extrapolated. Their heads are enormous with gigantic eyes and they apparently have no gut whatsoever. Their mouths have been reported as being nothing more than a vestigial flap of where an oral cavity may once have existed. They have no anus. This makes it quite probable that they have no gut at all and that the brain has won out in the competition for resources during fetal development. Their source of nourishment may be chemosynthetic, similar to animals living near hydrothermal vents in the deep oceans, perhaps with endosymbiotic bacteria breaking down compounds like hydrogen sulfide and delivering energy to the Gray body. This is supported by reports of sulfurous odors (like rotten eggs) emanating from the bodies of the grays. Reports of their behavior suggest extreme social cooperation with a rigid hierarchy. And if they are primarily underground dwellers, then all of these traits make sense from an evolutionary perspective.

Perhaps our evolutionary development and that of the Grays are merely parallel in nature. Or perhaps, and this is where the ley line hypothesis enters, the Grays have been shaping us in their image for millions of years. Are we an experiment in evolution by a species seeking to understand itself? What better method to understand one’s own evolution than by recreating it in another species of similar anatomy? The ley line of human evolution, then, is ultimately dependent on where we first originated geographically, and that this location lies on a ley line already previously used by the Grays for vehicular activity and whatever other activities a ley line facilitates.



Link: Source


According to Corey Goode, there are 22 different ET races that are competing with one another, doing experiments on humans that have been ongoing for thousands of years. Others are simply coming to look for certain mineral compounds such as gold, water, etc., but have no interest in the human race.

According to all my research on the alien agenda, the Reptilians, called the Draco or Dero, is the race that is influencing our government leaders, which are controlling the rest of us. They were known as the Nephilim in the Christian Bible.
According to ancient text, they are the race that bred with human females, creating a hybrid race that has carried their “superior” blood line down through history. Certain “elite” in this blood line now hold power in the “secret government” and control everything which goes on in our world. Their race conforms to the “service to self” teachings, and they have instilled these teachings in their bloodlines down through history.

Many of these bloodlines can be found today in high levels of the Illuminati, or the Earth Syndicates, (to call them what they are).

Conspiracy theories suggest the agenda of the Reptilians is to depopulate the Earth, ridding it of anyone who is not carrying the bloodline of the Reptilians so they can create a more highly advanced hybrid race.

This is carried out by their biological robots, called the Grays, who perform the abductions, according to abductees.
There are abductions committed by other ET races also, but the majority has been by the Grays.

According to Secret Space Insiders, there are other ET races that are more spiritually advanced who are fighting these sinister beings, while they try to influence the human race to be of “service to others”, not “service to self”. They wish to give us technology that will make our life easier, and teach us how to get along and love one another. They use some people here to get their message across to the rest of us.


Jim Marrs Ancient Aliens and the New World Order



The Untouchable Reptilian Race - It Goes Deeper Than You Ever Expected




Project Camelot Interviews Brian O'Leary



UNDERWATER UFOs (USOs)



UNDERWATER UFOs AND UNDERSEA USO BASES – MUFON UFO SYMPOSIUM



UFOs and USOs - Underwater Alien Bases



Another article with a good video:  Deep Sea USO: Underwater Alien Stations and Gates

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CROP CIRCLES



Quote:Although a relationship between crop circles and unidentified flying objects (UFOs) has been postulated, there have as of yet been no proven sightings (or credible witnesses) of actual UFOs in connection to the formation of these patterns. However, some are so intricate, meaningful, and precisely designed that their execution would require an enormous amount of time, effort and technology – not the the work of a single night. Again, these complex patterns have appeared thousands of times throughout the world, though they are more predominant in the UK.

“Some of these formations are so immense and complex as to defy reason. And after all these decades, none of the perpetrators have been caught in the act of making any of the truly extraordinary formations.” – Richard Dolan, historian, academic, author, and one of the world’s leading UFO researchers.

Some of these designs are so mysterious and complex that they’ve been studied in a laboratory setting, and some have indicated that the nodes of some of the stalks were blasted out on one side. It’s not conclusively known how this was done, but the effect has been replicated by highly localized microwave heating. This type of technique causes water inside to vaporize and dislodge. As a result, the stock flops completely over to one side. (1)

Quote:“If something like this caused the formations, then we are clearly talking about a highly sophisticated agency behind the phenomenon.” – Richard Dolan



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• The Alien At Crabwood Farm House Crop Circle


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The ASCII code message on the disk part of the crop circle reads:

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Source



"Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES.
Much PAIN but still time.
EELRIJUE.
There is GOOD out there.
We OPpose DECEPTION.
COnduit CLOSING [bell sound]"


There are 26 words in English

Some words or parts of words are Capitalized these are:

FALSE BROKEN PROMISES PAIN EELRIJUE GOOD OP DECEPTION CO CLOSING
The '&' Symbol is used
The word EELRIJUE is damaged and it is uncertain if that is the correct word.

Read more about this crop circle here: [url=http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/time2007o.html]Source

Arecibo Reply

The Arecibo reply was the name given to a crop circle that appeared in farmland next to the Chilbolton radio telescope; home to the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence Institute (SETI) in Hampshire, UK, on Tuesday 21 August 2001. The design is so named because it appears to be a response to the Arecibo message, which SETI transmitted into space in 1974.

The crop circle design features two images. The first, estimated to be about 100 by 150 feet based on comparison with the 25-meter Chilbolton dish, is a pixelated halftone representation of a humanoid face. The second image, estimated to be about 80 by 220 feet, resembles the original Arecibo message though changed in a number of key elements, said by Ufologists to be a reply sent to Earth by an alien species.

Link: Source


First

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Second

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Images Link: Source




The history of crop circles 2008





Alien alphabet Pleiades, Sirius, Atlantida




Look at all these amazing crop circles! No way could some of those be man-made over night!

Crop Circles


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  Alien Interference III
Posted by: Mystic Wanderer - 05-21-2016, 11:49 AM - Forum: Alien Interference - No Replies

Disclosure/Whistleblowers:



PHILIP SCHNEIDER - UNDERGROUND ALIEN BASES (FULL VERSION)







UFO The Bob Lazar Interview (Full Documentary)






Gary McKinnon





Ron Gardner & Jaime Maussan






PROJECT CAMELOT: RANDY CRAMER U. S. MARINE - EARTH DEFENSE FORCE






Interview w/ Boyd Bushman A Documentary (Area 51, UFO's, ET's, Pictures!)






Article: Senior Scientist shares insider truth about Area 51


Dr. Steven Greer - Nov. 21, 2015 - How the Secret Government Works: The Most Explosive Expose - HD





Corey Goode

Quote: Wrote:Identified as an intuitive empath (IE) with precognitive abilities, Corey Goode was recruited through one of the MILAB programs at the young age of six. Goode trained and served in the MILAB program from 1976-1986/87. Towards the end of his time as a MILAB he was assigned to an IE support role for a rotating Earth Delegate Seat (shared by secret earth government groups) in a “human-type” ET Super Federation Council.

MILAB is a term coined for the military abduction of a person that indoctrinates and trains them for any number of military black ops programs.

Goode’s IE abilities played an important role in communicating with non-terrestrial beings (termed “interfacing”) as part of one of the Secret Space Programs (SSP). During his 20 year service he had a variety of experiences and assignments including the Intruder Intercept Interrogation Program, Assignment to the ASSR “ISRV”– Auxiliary Specialized Space Research, Interstellar Class Vessel, and much more. This all occurred in a “20 and Back” agreement from 1986/87-2007 with recall work until the present day.

Goode now works in the information technology and communications industry with 20 years’ experience in hardware and software virtualization, physical and IT security, counter electronic surveillance, risk assessment, and executive protection, and served in the Texas Army State Guard (2007-2012), C4I (Command, Control, Communications, Computation & Intelligence). The time in the Texas Military Forces was unrelated to the Secret Space Program Service.

Goode continues his IE work now and is in direct physical contact with the Blue Avians (of the Sphere Being Alliance) who have chosen him as a delegate to interface with multiple ET Federations and Councils on their behalf, liaison with the SSP Alliance Council, and to deliver important messages to humanity.


Link: Source

You can find transcripts of Corey’s shows that aired on Cosmic Disclosure at: Source

Also available are many You Tube video interviews. Simply type his name in the search window.




William Tompkins

Quote: Wrote:Tompkins story begins in 1932, when he was only nine. He says he was taken by his father to the Naval shipyards in San Diego where he began the first of many public tours of destroyers, cruisers and aircraft carriers that were periodically docked. The public was not allowed to take photos of the ships whose gun placements and radar designs were still classified.
Possessing a photographic memory, Tompkins says that he walked all around the ships and took notes of what he observed, and soon after began reproducing the ship designs. Eight years later, Tompkins had built many flawlessly accurate detailed models of the navy ships he had seen, and his father was selling them in a Hollywood Department store.
After the Navy learned about the model ships in 1941, displaying top secret details, they interrogated both Tompkins and his father, and the models were withdrawn from public circulation. The Navy top brass were nevertheless greatly impressed by Tompkins remarkable talent.




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Quote: Wrote:A March 26 article in the Evening Outlook newspaper of Santa Monica featured a photograph of Tompkins (now 17) showing some of his ship models to Navy Captain G.C. Gearing, Commandant of the 11th Naval District in San Diego.
Rear Admiral C. A. Blakeley was quoted in the Evening Outlook story:
It is with considerable interest and pleasure that I, together with officers of my staff, examined several of the ship models. Craftsmanship such as you have evidenced shows that you are a keen student of detail and naval construction. Best of all, however, you are doing something worthwhile as a young American—you are helping to build into the American mind the importance of the nation’s first line of defense to each American, young and old.
His photographic memory and ability to reproduce complex ship designs were extraordinary, and a U.S. Naval Intelligence Officer, Lt. Perry Wood, understood the contribution Tompkins could make to the Navy’s pursuit of advanced technology:
Early in 1942, naval intelligence officer Lt. Perry Wood, understanding the technical capabilities and historic research necessary to create the ship models, put together a mission package that resulted in Bill’s induction into the navy. After completing boot camp in San Diego he was assigned a position in naval intelligence on advanced technology projects.
Tompkins abilities had come to the attention of the Navy’s senior leadership. This included the then Secretary of the Navy, James Forrestal, and Admiral Rick Obatta whose responsibilities, according to Tompkins, included covert intelligence projects run out of North Island Naval Air Station at San Diego.


You can read more of his story here: Source







Famous Abduction Cases




Travis Walton is an American logger who was allegedly abducted by a UFO on November 5, 1975, while working with a logging crew in the Apache-Sitgreaves National Forest in Arizona. Walton could not be found, but reappeared after a five-day search.




The Allagash Abductions





The Stephenville Abductions

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ct6be...mentary_tv

Thread:

Inner Earth Abducted - The Steve Brodie true story


Here is a website with more than 15 of the best documented UFO abduction cases on record:

Alien Abductions

TOP 100 UFO Cases



In decreasing order of the number of references, the Top 100 UFO cases are:

Quote:1. Kenneth Arnold's first sighting (1947) 359 references
2. Betty and Barney Hill abduction (1961) 292 references
3. George Adamski encounters (1953) 231 references
4. Roswell (1947) 228 references
5. Socorro sighting by Lonnie Zamora (1964) 180 references
6. Thomas F Mantell incident (1948) 179 references
7. Antonio Villas-Boas abduction (1957) 174 references
8. Washington National sightings (1952) 171 references
9. Pascagoula abduction (1973) 142 references
10. Chiles and Whitted sighting (1948) 115 references
11. Travis Walton abduction (1975) 114 references
12. Maury Island incident (1947) 99 references
13. Tunguska event (1908) 95 references
14. Kelly-Hopkinsville incident (1955) 92 references
15. Reverend W B Gill sightings (1959) 92 references
16. Levelland, Texas incident (1957) 91 references
17. McMinnville photographs (1950) 90 references
18. Rendlesham Forest incident (1980) 89 references
19. Andreasson abduction (1967) 87 references
20. Herbert Schirmer abduction (1967) 87 references
21. Lakenheath episode (1956) 83 references
22. Valensole incident (1965) 76 references
23. Gulf Breeze encounter (1987) 76 references
24. Alexander Hamilton airship (1897) 74 references
25. Coyne helicopter sighting (1973) 73 references
26. Trindade Island photographs (1958) 72 references
27. Gemini 4 sighting (1965) 71 references
28. Ubatuba incident (1957) 69 references
29. Incident at Exeter (1965) 68 references
30. Cash/Landrum incident (1980) 68 references

31. Lubbock Lights sightings (1951) 66 references
32. Jimmy Carter sighting (1969) 65 references
33. Gorman "dogfight" near Fargo (1948) 64 references
34. Tremonton, Utah film (1952) 64 references
35. Valentich disappearance (1978) 62 references
36. Truman Bethurum contact (1954) 62 references
37. Fatima apparition (1917) 61 references
38. Flatwoods incident (1952) 61 references
39. Desvergers (scoutmaster) sighting (1952) 59 references
40. Belgium radar/visual sightings (1989) 59 references
41. Great Falls, Montana film (1950) 58 references
42. Day family abduction (1974) 58 references
43. Clyde Tombaugh sighting (1949) 57 references
44. Nash and Fortenberry sighting (1952) 57 references
45. Eagle River encounter (1961) 57 references
46. BOAC stratocruiser sighting (1954) 55 references
47. Jet chase near Tehran, Iran (1976) 55 references
48. Flight 19 incident (1945) 54 references
49. "Lady" animal mutilation (1966) 54 references
50. Steven Michalak encounter (1967) 54 references

51. Aurora, Texas airship crash (1897) 53 references
52. Greenhaw encounter (1973) 53 references
53. "Linda Cortile" abduction (1989) 53 references
54. Kinross incident (1953) 52 references
55. Apollo 11 sightings (1969) 52 references
56. Alan Godfrey encounter (1980) 51 references
57. Wellington/Kaikoura incident (1978) 50 references
58. John Martin sighting (1878) 49 references
59. Orfeo Angelucci encounter (1955) 49 references
60. Delphos Ring incident (1971) 49 references

61. The Northeast Blackout (1965) 47 references
62. Rex Heflin photographs (1965) 46 references
63. RB-47 radar/visual incident (1957) 45 references
64. Carl Higdon contact (1974) 45 references
65. Trans-en-Provence encounter (1981) 45 references
66. Charles B Moore sighting (1949) 44 references
67. E J Smith sighting (1947) 43 references
68. Stanford, Kentucky abduction (1976) 43 references
69. Fred M Johnson sighting (1947) 41 references
70. Fort Itaipu, Brazil sighting (1957) 40 references
71. Muroc Field sightings (1947) 39 references
72. Gary Wilcox encounter (1964) 39 references
73. Spaur/Neff Ravenna sighting (1966) 39 references
74. Cedric Allingham encounter (1954) 39 references
75. Salem, Massachusetts photograph (1952) 38 references
76. Reinhold Schmidt encounter (1957) 38 references
77. "Doctor X" UFO encounter (1968) 38 references
78. Maureen Puddy encounter (1973) 38 references
79. Gordon Cooper sightings (1963) 35 references
80. Cisco Grove incident (1964) 35 references

81. Topcliffe incident (1952) 34 references
82. Gemini 7 sighting (1965) 34 references
83. Voronezh, Russia landing (1989) 34 references
84. Cynthia Appleton encounter (1957) 33 references
85. Claude Vorilhon contact (1973) 33 references
86. Livingston incident (1979) 33 references
87. Jose A y Bonilla photograph (1883) 32 references
88. Ummo photographs (1967) 32 references
89. JAL 1628 sighting over Alaska (1986) 32 references
90. Operation Mainbrace sightings (1952) 31 references
91. Stephen Darbishire photograph (1954) 31 references
92. Walesville Incident (1954) 30 references
93. Red Bluff sighting (1960) 30 references
94. Charles L Moody abduction (1975) 30 references
95. "Battle of Los Angeles" (1942) 29 references
96. Larson abduction near Fargo (1975) 29 references
97. Farmington sightings (1950) 28 references
98. Oloron “Angel Hair” incident (1952) 28 references
99. Tully “saucer nest” incident (1966) 28 references
100. Loch Raven Dam incident (1958) 27 references


Source: From Mr Isaac Koi



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  Alien Interference II
Posted by: Mystic Wanderer - 05-21-2016, 11:19 AM - Forum: Alien Interference - No Replies

 UFOs And The Military




CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS UFO SIGHTING 1492

Quote: Wrote:Christopher Columbus and Pedro Gutierrez while on the deck of the Santa Maira, observed, “a light glimmering at a great distance.” It vanished and reappeared several times during the night, moving up and down, “in sudden and passing gleams.” It was sighted 4 hours before land was sighted, and taken by Columbus as a sign they would soon come to land.

Even Christopher Columbus, it appears, saw a UFO. While patrolling the deck of the Santa Maria at about 10:00 PM on October 11, 1492, Columbus thought he saw “a light glimmering at a great distance.” He hurriedly summoned Pedro Gutierrez, “a gentleman of the king’s bedchamber,” who also saw the light. After a short time it vanished, only to reappear several times during the night, each time dancing up and down “in sudden and passig gleams.” The light, first seen four hours before land was sighted, was never explained.


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NUREMBERG, GERMANY, 1561

One early account of UFO warfare was supposedly seen by the citizens of Nuremberg, Germany, in 1561. On a morning in April, the Nuremberg Gazette reportedly described an aerial battle between large "cylindrical shapes from which emerged black, red, orange and blue-white spheres that darted about... All these elements started to fight one against the other." An artist, Hans Glaser, created a woodcut of the spectacle, seen below:



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1942 'BATTLE OF LOS ANGELES'



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Quote: Wrote:Five years before Roswell, five years before pilot Kenneth Arnold's landmark sightings of "flying saucers" in the Pacific Northwest, 3 years before the Battle of the Bulge, two years before D-Day, and years before the so-called "modern UFO era" had officially begun, there was the Battle of Los Angeles, arguably the most sensational, dramatic UFO mass encounter on record.

Have you ever heard of the Battle of Los Angeles? Few have. Imagine a visiting spacecraft from another world, or dimension, hovering over a panicked and blacked-out LA in the middle of the night just weeks after Pearl Harbor at the height of WWII fear and paranoia. Imagine how this huge ship, assumed to be some unknown Japanese aircraft, was then attacked as it hung, nearly stationary, over Culver City and Santa Monica by dozens of Army anti-aircraft batteries firing nearly 2,000 rounds of 12 pound, high explosive shells in full view of hundreds of thousands of residents. Imagine all of that and you have an idea of what was the Battle of Los Angeles.

The sudden appearance of the enormous round object triggered all of LA and most of Southern California into an immediate wartime blackout with thousands of Air Raid Wardens scurrying all over the darkened city while the drama unfolded in the skies above... a drama which would result in the deaths of six people and the raining of shell fragments on homes, streets, and buildings for miles around.

Dozens of gun crews and searchlights of the Army's 37th Coast Artillery Brigade easily targeted the huge ship which hung like a surreal magic lantern in the clear, dark winter sky over the City of the Angels. Few in the city were left asleep after the Coastal Defense gunners commenced firing hundreds and hundreds of rounds up toward the glowing ship which was apparently first sighted as it hovered above such west side landmarks as the MGM studios in Culver City. The thump of the batteries and the ignition of the aerial shells reverberated from one end of LA to the other as the gun crews easily landed scores of what many termed "direct hits"....all to no avail.


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UFO over Los Angeles 1942 - The Witnesses






NAZI GERMANY UFOs


Quote: Wrote:In UFOlogy, conspiracy theory, science fiction, and comic book stories, claims or stories have circulated linking UFOs to Nazi Germany. The German UFO theories describe supposedly successful attempts to develop advanced aircraft or spacecraft prior to and during World War II, and further assert the post-war survival of these craft in secret underground bases in Antarctica, South America, or the United States, along with their creators. According to these theories and fictional stories, various potential code-names or sub-classifications of Nazi UFO craft such as Rundflugzeug, Feuerball, Diskus, Haunebu, Hauneburg-Gerät, V7, Vril, Kugelblitz (not related to the self-propelled anti-aircraft gun of the same name), Andromeda-Gerät, Flugkreisel, Kugelwaffe, and Reichsflugscheibe have all been referenced."



Quote: Wrote:German UFO literature very often conforms largely to documented history on the following points:

1. The Third Reich claimed the territory of New Swabia in Antarctica, sent an expedition there in 1938, and planned others.
2. The Third Reich conducted research into advanced propulsion technology, including rocketry, Viktor Schauberger's engine research, flying wing craft and the Arthur Sack A.S.6 experimental circular winged aircraft.
3. Some UFO sightings during World War II, particularly those known as foo fighters, were thought by the Allies to be prototype enemy aircraft designed to harass Allied aircraft through electromagnetic disruption; a technology similar to today's electromagnetic pulse (EMP) weapons.







Third Reich - Operation UFO (Nazi Base In Antarctica) Complete Documentary

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Quote: Wrote:The Bell UFO was among the first flying objects to be connected with the Nazis. It apparently had occult markings on it and it was also rumoured to have been very similar to a Wehrmacht document about a vertical takeoff aircraft. It is directly related to the supposed crash of a bell-shaped object that occurred in Kecksburg, Pennsylvania, USA on December 9, 1965. The same month, German engineer Rudolf Schriever gave an interview to German news magazine Der Spiegel in which he claimed that he had designed a craft powered by a circular plane of rotating turbine blades 49 ft (15 m) in diameter. He said that the project had been developed by him and his team at BMW's Prague works until April 1945, when he fled Czechoslovakia. His designs for the disk and a model were stolen from his workshop in Bremerhaven-Lehe in 1948 and he was convinced that Czech agents had built his craft for "a foreign power.


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THE ROSWELL INCIDENT

Quote: Wrote:There are those who think that what Mac Brazel stumbled upon, and Major Jesse Marcel recovered, was indeed a crashed saucer- complete with its alien crew. They are adamant that the Air Force/ Government is hiding The Truth deep in the bowels of Top Secret. More books, articles and research have been done about The Roswell Incident than any other event in the history of UFO's. But the same dedicated research that has made Roswell so famous has also turned up countless inconsistencies, gross elaboration, and strong indications that some of the evidence was hoaxed.
Yet, despite the confusion, there are many who believe that what Mac Brazel found was proof positive that we are being visited by beings from another world. Spurred by numerous books, the popular press and television, the hard-core faithful and curiosity seekers alike have made the once sleepy town of Roswell, New Mexico the Mecca of UFO-ology.


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The Roswell UFO Crash BBC Documentary - "Proof"

 







An opposing view on the Roswell Crash:

Roswell 1947: When the Mythology is Stripped Away, What Facts Remain? Guy Malone




WRIGHT-PATTERSON AIR FORCE BASE (WPAFB) (IATA: FFO, ICAO:


Quote: Wrote:KFFO, FAA LID: FFO) is a United States Air Force base and census-designated place just east of Dayton, Ohio in Greene and Montgomery counties. It includes both Wright and Patterson Fields, which were originally Wilbur Wright Field and Fairfield Aviation General Supply Depot. Patterson Field is located approximately 10 miles (16 km) northeast of Dayton; Wright Field is located approximately 5 miles (8.0 km) northeast of Dayton.

The host unit at Wright-Patterson AFB is the 88th Air Base Wing (88 ABW), assigned to the Air Force Life Cycle Management Center and Air Force Materiel Command. The 88 ABW operates the airfield, maintains all infrastructure and provides security, communications, medical, legal, personnel, contracting, finance, transportation, air traffic control, weather forecasting, public affairs, recreation and chaplain services for more than 60 associate units.


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UFO Files - Hangar 18 at Wright Patterson Air Force Base








AREA 51

Quote: Wrote:The name alone inspires thoughts of government conspiracies, secret “black” aircraft and alien technologies. Facts, myths and legends weave together in such a way that it can become difficult to separate reality from fiction. What exactly goes on in this installation? Why did the government alternatively acknowledge and deny its existence until the 1990s? Why is the airspace over it so restricted that even military aircraft are forbidden from flying through it? And, what does it have to do with Roswell, New Mexico?


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What is Area 51? | Top Secret Military UFO Base - Full Documentary 2015







MALMSTROM AIRFORCE BASE: The Echo and Oscar Flight Incidents



Quote: Wrote:On March 16, 1967, ten Minuteman-I nuclear missiles operated by Malmstrom Air Force Base, Montana, suddenly malfunctioned one after the other, just as a “large round object” was reported to be hovering “directly over” one of them—according to retired USAF Col. Walter Figel, one of two launch officers on duty at Echo Flight during the incident.

Figel received the startling news while in the flight's underground launch control center, via a two-way radio call from an Air Force security guard posted at the missile silo in question. Although skeptical, then-Lt. Figel dispatched a couple of two-man Security Alert Teams to the field to investigate. They subsequently confirmed the presence of the UFO.

These astounding admissions were audio-taped, with Col. Figel's permission, during three of our telephone conversations—in 2008, 2009 and 2010—in which he discussed the incident in great detail. One may listen to those here.


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Incident at Malmstrom






Disclosure Conference, National Press Club, 27 September 2010








UFOs OVER WASHINGTON, DC - 1952



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Quote: Wrote:At 11:40 p.m. on Saturday, July 19, 1952, Edward Nugent, an air traffic controller at Washington National Airport (today Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport), spotted seven objects on his radar. The objects were located 15 miles (24 km) south-southwest of the city; no known aircraft were in the area and the objects were not following any established flight paths. Nugent's superior, Harry Barnes, a senior air-traffic controller at the airport, watched the objects on Nugent's radarscope. He later wrote:

"We knew immediately that a very strange situation existed . . . their movements were completely radical compared to those of ordinary aircraft." Barnes had two controllers check Nugent's radar; they found that it was working normally. Barnes then called National Airport's other radar center; the controller there, Howard Cocklin, told Barnes that he also had the objects on his radarscope. Furthermore, Cocklin said that by looking out of the control tower window he could see one of the objects: "a bright orange light. I can't tell what's behind it."

At this point, other objects appeared in all sectors of the radarscope; when they moved over the White House and the United States Capitol, Barnes called Andrews Air Force Base, located 10 miles from National Airport. Although Andrews reported that they had no unusual objects on their radar, an airman soon called the base's control tower to report the sighting of a strange object. Airman William Brady, who was in the tower, then saw an "object which appeared to be like an orange ball of fire, trailing a tail . . . [it was] unlike anything I had ever seen before." As Brady tried to alert the other personnel in the tower, the strange object "took off at an unbelievable speed." Meanwhile, another person in the National Airport control tower reported seeing "an orange disk about 3,000 feet altitude." On one of the airport's runways, S.C. Pierman, a Capital Airlines pilot, was waiting in the cockpit of his DC-4 for permission to take off. After spotting what he believed to be a meteor, he was told that the control tower's radar had picked up unknown objects closing in on his position. Pierman observed six objects — "white, tailless, fast-moving lights" — over a 14-minute period. Pierman was in radio contact with Barnes during his sighting, and Barnes later related that "each sighting coincided with a pip we could see near his plane. When he reported that the light streaked off at a high speed, it disappeared on our scope."

At Andrews AFB, meanwhile, the control tower personnel were tracking on radar what some thought to be unknown objects, but others suspected, and in one instance were able to prove, were simply stars and meteors. However, Staff Sgt. Charles Davenport observed an orange-red light to the south; the light "would appear to stand still, then make an abrupt change in direction and altitude . . . this happened several times." At one point both radar centers at National Airport and the radar at Andrews AFB were tracking an object hovering over a radio beacon. The object vanished in all three radar centers at the same time. At 3 a.m., shortly before two jet fighters from Newcastle AFB in Delaware arrived over Washington, all of the objects vanished from the radar at National Airport. However, when the jets ran low on fuel and left, the objects returned, which convinced Barnes that "the UFOs were monitoring radio traffic and behaving accordingly." The objects were last detected by radar at 5:30 a.m. Around sunrise, E.W. Chambers, a civilian radio engineer in Washington's suburbs, observed "five huge disks circling in a loose formation. They tilted upward and left on a steep ascent."


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UFOs over Washington DC









1954 GREADA TREATY BETWEEN THE USA & ALIEN GREYS

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The Greada Treaty







UFOs CONFRONT SOLDIERS DURING WWII

Quote: Wrote:During World War II, also in Germany, Allied aircraft pilots often reported mysterious glowing, fast-moving, circular lights, which were dubbed Foo Fighters. The New York Times reported it as "military slang for flying saucers."

Filer -- who documents his sightings and other UFO news at the National UFO Center site -- was one of several military eyewitnesses to something extraordinary in the sky over England. It was 1962, and he was the navigator on a refueling tanker.

"We were out over the North Sea when London Control called and asked if we would be willing to intercept an unidentified that was over Oxford and the Stonehenge area. We had just finished up our refueling mission, so we said sure, and they cleared all the traffic around us and gave us top priority as we descended towards the UFO. All they really had was a very large radar return, but it was much bigger than a normal aircraft."



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Filer (pictured above) recalled how his radar scope indicated the UFO was as big as the huge Firth of Forth Bridge in Scotland that he and his crew often used as a regular navigation point.

"The 'thing' was at 1,000 feet and we were descending from 32,000 feet. We picked up this huge radar return while we were still about 30 miles out. It was dark out and when we got much closer to the object, we saw lights around it, outlining the shape of a cylinder, like a cruise ship. It then just quickly rose and went up into space.

"We were pretty sure we'd just seen a UFO."

Filer also told HuffPost that he has heard from air traffic controllers who claimed they were told to "always divert aircraft away from UFOs and deny that it existed. I think they want this whole situation to go away, and I think [the policy] is coming from the National Security Council -- they're at the highest level. It sounds funny, but presidents don't always know what their National Security Council is doing."

EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE

On Octorber 7, 1965, at Edwards Air Force Base near Palmdale, California, up to 12 UFOs were spotted and observed by military personnel. A fighter jet was 'scrambled' to intercept and pursue the objects. The event took place over a five hour period, documented with at least forty hours of communications audio recordings. Of those, only six hours of audio were declassified and released to the public.








THE 1965 KECKSBURG, PENNSYLVANIA CRASH

Quote: Wrote:What exactly soared through the late afternoon skies of Canada, Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania on December 5, 1965? Eye witnesses described the unknown object as a "fireball," but it seemed to be under some type of intelligent control, as it veered somewhat in Ohio toward the Quaker State.
One of the first official reports of that day came from Frances Kalp, who phoned in her experience to radio station WHJB in Greensburg at 6:30 P.M. She related seeing a fiery object crash into a wooded area near her home in Westmoreland County. Kalp and her children had approached the site within a half-mile, and there they saw an odd object resembling a "four-pointed star."

Radio station employee John Murphy immediately phoned in the report to the Pennsylvania State Police Department. The Police phoned Kalp and arranged to meet her in Kecksburg.

Murphy also raced to the site of the alleged crash. He interviewed Kalp and her children for his report, while the State Police searched the woods for the crashed object. Murphy eagerly awaited the return of the searchers. When they finally completed their search, Murphy was unable to get any clear information from either Carl Metz or Paul Shipco, who headed the search. They only stated that they were calling in the Military to handle the case.
Undaunted, Murphy made phone contact with Captain Dussia at State Police Headquarters in Greensburg. Murphy was instructed to visit the office to receive an official statement on the search party results. Upon arriving at headquarters, Murphy noticed that the Military had already arrived in force. Murphy was startled when he received the "official" statement;
"The Pennsylvania State Police have made a thorough search of the woods. We are convinced that there is nothing whatsoever in the woods."

By this time, Murphy was convinced that there was a cover-up of some kind. If there was nothing in the woods, why would the Military be in force at Pennsylvania's Police headquarters?


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UFOTV® Presents - KECKSBURG UFO CRASH - The Untold Story








THE VIETNAM WAR

The Vietnam War saw its share of UFO activity in the 1960s.
“One close encounter, in 1968, involved the crew of an American patrol boat that reported two glowing circular craft following them in the demilitarized zone that separated North and South Vietnam.”


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Quote: Wrote:“The crew aboard a second patrol boat later reported seeing the UFOs over the first boat and a flash of light, followed by an explosion that completely destroyed the boat. These Vietnam reports included close observation of the unknown aerial craft which appeared to house pilots.

Wartime UFO stories are recreated in the premiere episode of the second season of History's "Hangar 1: The UFO Files." The accounts are drawn from tens of thousands of UFO cases in the archives of the Mutual UFO Network, the world's largest UFO investigation group.
"The military was interested in [UFOs] because they had capabilities far above anything that we had, and they wanted to find out what the technology was and, frankly, who they belonged to," according to former Air Force intelligence officer, Capt. George Filer.

While in Vietnam, Filer -- who had a top secret clearance -- gave daily briefings to Gen. George S. Brown, deputy commander for air operations in Vietnam.
"Frequently, the Vietcong or North Vietnamese would be attacking an outpost and I would explain that, and we would have ground-air support, particularly at night where we'd go in there with these gun ships, and I would give briefings on all of that," Filer told The Huffington Post. "Some of the time, there would be unidentified craft over the DMZ."

Filer described a typical report that he'd receive and which he included in his briefings to Brown:
"You'd have an aircraft flying along, doing around 500 knots and a UFO comes alongside and does some barrel rolls around the aircraft and then flies off at three times the speed of one of the fastest jets we have in the Air Force. So, obviously, it has a technology far in advance of anything we have.
"I would be told this unofficially. People tell you a lot of things that they don't put in writing or sign their name to. There was always this part of UFOs that, if you got too interested, it could mess up your career. And this is true today even with commercial pilots. I've also heard from people serving in Afghanistan saying they've seen UFOs, and the Iranian news carries UFO reports pretty regularly."

During a 1973 press conference, five years after the patrol boat UFO encounters, Brown -- as USAF chief of staff -- was asked about the Air Force's position on UFOs:
“I don't know whether this story has ever been told or not. They weren't called UFOs. The were called enemy helicopters. And they were only seen at night and they were only seen in certain places. They were seen up around the DMZ in the early summer of '68. And this resulted in quite a little battle.
And in the course of this, an Australian destroyer took a hit and we never found any enemy, we only found ourselves when this had all been sorted out. And this caused some shooting there, and there was no enemy at all involved, but we always reacted.
Always after dark, the same thing happened up at Pleiku at the Highlands in '69.”


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Article: UFOs Directed Laser-Like Beams Onto Nuclear Weapons Storage Sites

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UFOs Shutting Down Nuclear Missles







Disclosure Conference, National Press Club, 27 September 2010







National Geographic Documentary: Area 51 Declassified





UFOs have often destroyed nuclear missiles, as shown in this video:






Here is a website that lists Military Bases around the world that have reported UFO activity:

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The UFO Masquerade: Dr. Karla Turner discusses her latest findings relating to her research of covert abductions of human beings by alien beings and human military personnel.




DULCE BASE


Quote: Wrote:Dulce Base is an alleged secret alien underground facility under Archuleta Mesa on the Colorado-New Mexico border near the town of Dulce, New Mexico, in the United States. Claims of alien activity there first arose from Albuquerque businessman Paul Bennewitz.
Starting in 1979, Bennewitz became convinced he was intercepting electronic communications from alien spacecraft and installations outside of Albuquerque. By the 1980s he believed he had discovered an underground base near Dulce. The story spread rapidly within the UFO community and by 1990, UFOlogist John Lear claimed he had independent confirmations of the base's existence. Political scientist Michael Barkun writes that Cold War underground missile installations in the area gave superficial plausibility to the rumors, making the Dulce base story an "attractive legend" within UFOlogy. According to Barkun, claims about experiments on abductees and firefights between aliens and the Delta Force place the Dulce legend "well outside even the most far-fetched reports of secret underground bases.



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Dulce NM Reptilian Base Footage Of Cryo Tanks







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  BEING VEGAN ‘CAN ATTRACT ALIENS’, EXPERT WARNS
Posted by: guohua - 05-21-2016, 07:08 AM - Forum: UFOs, Aliens and Universal Questions - No Replies

Who's this Expert?
The Great, Granddaughter of Dwight D Eisenhower, Yes you read that right!
I understand she's also a clairvoyant,,,, Oh,, Hell, just read the article,,, I have my doubts that being a Vegan has anything to do with someone being Abducted or Contacted.

Quote:The great-granddaughter of President Dwight D Eisenhower has claimed that being vegan ‘can attract aliens’.

Laura Magdalene Eisenhower says that ‘sky beings’ are more likely to get in touch with people who shun meat products.

Sky beings - in case you’re wondering - can manifest themselves as extraterrestrials, fairies, elves or even angels.

Eisenhower is a professional clairvoyant - and her latest advice has aroused interest in part because conspiracy theorists believe her great-grandfather actually signed a treaty with aliens in 1953.

Eisenhower said in an interview with Vice, ‘We have to understand that we are multi-dimensional beings and—based on our frequency, perceptions, and our vibratory levels that we are functioning from—we are going to see different things. It is not always going to be things that other people are capable of seeing.’

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  Navy Disseminated Nazi Antigravity Secrets to Leading U.S. Companies & Think Tanks
Posted by: Mystic Wanderer - 05-21-2016, 07:06 AM - Forum: The Enlightened Ones or The Powers That Be - No Replies

 
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William Tompkins’ talks about his work for U.S. Naval Intelligence during World War II.Tompkins was directly involved in debriefings by Navy Spies planted in Nazi Germany’s most advanced aerospace projects – including anti-gravity flying saucers that were capable of flying through space.


Quote:Tompkins job was to design intelligence briefing packets based on the Navy spies debriefings, and to then deliver these packages to leading U.S. aerospace corporations, think tanks and universities for study and evaluation.

Tompkins describes how from 1942 to 1945, he participated in over a thousand debriefings of U.S. Navy spies, who had been embedded in leading Nazi Germany aerospace corporations involved in building flying saucers. Disseminating this vital intelligence information to various U.S. aerospace corporations and universities was Tompkins primary responsibility.

Tompkins said that he served under Admiral Rick Obatta who was in charge of intelligence operations out of the Naval Air Station at San Diego, and three Navy captains who were specialists in different areas of Naval aircraft design, engineering, and procurement. In the interview, he describes some of the circumstances of the debriefings that he participated in.

The following interview extract features Tompkins answering questions from Dr. Robert Wood and I on the information he gained from the Navy operatives, the different corporations and thinks tanks he travelled to, and some of the aerospace technologies that were being secretly developed by the Nazis during the War.

Tompkins begins the interview by describing the small office where the debriefings of the Navy spies took place at Naval Air Station, San Diego.






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  Last words of Steve Jobs
Posted by: 727Sky - 05-21-2016, 06:51 AM - Forum: Psychological Well Being - Replies (2)

I received this via email and simply because I agree with what he supposedly said I thought I would post it.


Quote:The last words of Steve Jobs -




I have come to the pinnacle of success in business.  In the eyes of others, my life has been the symbol of success.  However, apart from work, I have little joy. Finally, my wealth is simply a fact to which I am accustomed.  At this time, lying on the hospital bed and remembering all my life, I realize that all the accolades and riches of which I was once so proud, have become insignificant with my imminent death.  In the dark, when I look at green lights, of the equipment for artificial respiration and feel the buzz of their mechanical sounds, I can feel the breath of my approaching death looming over me.



Only now do I understand that once you accumulate enough money for the rest of your life, you have to pursue objectives that are not related to wealth.  It should be something more important:  For example, stories of love, art, dreams of my childhood.  No, stop pursuing wealth, it can only make a person into a twisted being, just like me.



God has made us one way, we can feel the love in the heart of each of us, and not illusions built by fame or money, like I made in my life, I cannot take them with me.  I can only take with me the memories that were strengthened by love.  This is the true wealth that will follow you; will accompany you, he will give strength and light to go ahead.



Love can travel thousands of miles and so life has no limits. Move to where you want to go.  Strive to reach the goals you want to achieve. Everything is in your heart and in your hands.



What is the world's most expensive bed?  The hospital bed. You, if you have money, you can hire someone to drive your car, but you cannot hire someone to take your illness that is killing you.  Material things lost can be found.  But one thing you can never find when you lose: life.  Whatever stage of life where we are right now, at the end we will have to face the day when the curtain falls.

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