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  New Citizenship Profile: "People from Muslim Countries Do Not Have Danish Citizenship
Posted by: Wallfire - Yesterday, 07:49 PM - Forum: European Union - Replies (5)

I do not think this is a good idea, but it does show how sick most of the people in Europe are of the "refugees" and the rapes. I know of no country in Europe where muslims want to integrate. 

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Danish citizenship should not be given to people from "Muslim countries".
It writes Mette Thiesen's civil rights spokesman for New Civil Rights in a Facebook status update on Thursday.
"In the New Civil Code, we would vote no to grant Danish citizenship to people who come from countries based on Muslim values," the announcement says.


Last year, Mette Thiesen expressed a similar stance, though it was only [url=https://www.berlingske.dk/politik/trods-religionsfrihed-i-danmark-nye-borgerlige-vil-udelukke-troende-muslimer-fra]"believing Muslims" who could not obtain citizenship. After that, the party's chairman, Pernille Vermund, said it applied to all Muslims . After Thursday's announcement Berlingske asked Mette Thiesen to elaborate on the party's positions.
Are there any exceptions to this rule?
"No. As long as the problems in foreign policy are not solved from the bottom up, you have to do something like this. It is simply pure practice. We can see that these groups are over-represented in the crime statistics, and we do not want to grant them Danish citizenship. "
So when voting on these biannual civil rights announcement laws, you vote no?
"If we are faced with a mixed pile containing people from these groups, then we will vote no."
What if you are a Christian and come from a country with an overwhelming number of Muslims - shouldn't the person also have Danish citizenship?
“No, this is a practical way to solve a problem, as figures from Statistics Denmark show that we have. This is how it must be when politicians have not wanted to solve the problems from the bottom up, which is what we want. As long as it is not, you have to take such action as this, "says Mette Thiesen and continues:
“It should also be remembered that it is not a right to obtain Danish citizenship. We must only grant citizenship to those who we believe will benefit Denmark and who will buy into Danish values and who do not commit crime. This is a voice guide. Of course, I will also vote against others who I do not think will benefit Denmark or buy into Danish values. "
So even if they are Christian people?
'Yes, at this time. When the foreign policy is not resolved from the bottom up, then yes. "
Is it such an unintended consequence that, for example, Christians are also affected?
"That's how it is now. When the foreign policy is not resolved from the bottom up, it must be like this. We have extremely bad experiences. We can see it quite specifically in figures from Statistics Denmark that the majority of them are not some people who will benefit. Then there are some individuals who want to get caught, and that's how it is. "
Sounds like you think it's the majority who are having trouble?
“We can see that immigrants and descendants from these Muslim countries, which are characterized by Islamic culture, are over-represented in the crime statistics. And it is clear that we do not want to grant them Danish citizenship. "
One thing is being over-represented. But how many of them from the so-called "Muslim countries" have problems with your optics?
“Well, it is a matter of solving a specific problem. When we can see in figures from Statistics Denmark that we have some people from countries based on Islamic culture and where we can see specifically at this time that both immigrants and descendants are over-represented in the crime statistics, then we have a clear We do not want to grant them Danish citizenship, and therefore we will vote no. "
But what I'm trying to understand is whether you think the majority are in trouble?
"We make a general rule because we have experience that people coming from Islamic culture countries are overrepresented in crime statistics. There are nine countries at present. That is why we do not want to grant them Danish citizenship. It is based on figures from Statistics Denmark, so it is just a very concrete solution to a problem. "
Which nine countries are involved?
"Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Morocco, Pakistan, Somalia, Lebanon, Syria and Turkey."
How are the countries selected?
"We can see that male descendants of immigrants from these nine countries are more than twice as criminal as men in general. At the same time, we can see that the employment rate for these descendants is up to 25 percentage points lower than for Danes. So the numbers show that we have bad experiences with these groups. "
It is a group-based approach. What prevents making a more individual assessment instead?
“If, for example, there were only 150 or 200 applications each year, then it was something else. But this is many thousands. Then we, as members of parliament, could not sit and do anything but have conversations with people. "
What if you have been in Denmark for 10 years and have a clean criminal record and are in employment?
"Well, if you come from one of these countries, you will not be granted Danish citizenship at this time."
Do you have an assessment of how long people from Muslim countries should not be able to obtain Danish citizenship?
“First, we must have solved the foreign policy from scratch. And with the current political climate and with the red majority, things are going to get worse going forward. "
What does it mean to solve the foreign policy from scratch?
“It's about our three political demands. Complete stop for spontaneous asylum. That all criminal aliens must be expelled after the first judgment and that all aliens must support themselves, ”says Mette Thiesen.
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  It's Gun-grabbin' Season Again...
Posted by: Ninurta - Yesterday, 08:34 AM - Forum: Political News and more - Replies (1)

So.

On 4 September, this year, The House of Representatives has stated it's intent to reconvene early, in order to take up the "gun violence" question and pass laws regarding it. It just so happens, coincidentally, that also on 4 September, I'm going to find myself with far too much time on my hands... but I digress.

So far, the stated intent is to pass laws involving more stringent background checks, to pass laws banning "high capacity" magazines, laws to prevent people who are convicted of MISDEMEANOR "hate crimes" from buying guns, and a bill to incentivize "red flag laws" in the individual states.

Some days later, they plan to convene to address the "assault weapon" issue separately. Here's a hint: the Second Amendment was designed SPECIFICALLY to protect "weapons of war" in citizen hands. Confiscation of them is what got America started as an independent nation, free from British rule, to begin with.

The British Monarchy did much the same to America a couple hundred years ago. There is an article about it on the internet here
a few excerpts from that article:

Quote:Import ban on firearms and gunpowder

1774-75 confiscation of firearms and gunpowder
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"It was these events that changed a situation of political tension into a shooting war."
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"Before dawn on September 1, 1774, 260 of Gage's Redcoats sailed up the Mystic River and seized hundreds of barrels of powder from the Charlestown powder house."

That was the 18th century equivalent of banning "high capacity ammunition feeding devices". If you can't feed your gun, all you have is an expensive paperweight.

To continue:

Quote:"Governor Gage directed the Redcoats to begin general, warrantless searches for arms and ammunition. According to the Boston Gazette, of all General Gage's offenses, "what most irritated the People" was "seizing their Arms and Ammunition.""
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Oct 19, 1774 "King George III and his ministers blocked importation of arms and ammunition to America. Read literally, the order merely required a permit to export arms or ammunition from Great Britain to America. In practice, no permits were granted."
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"Meanwhile, Benjamin Franklin was masterminding the surreptitious import of arms and ammunition from the Netherlands, France, and Spain."
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"The British government was not, in a purely formal sense, attempting to abolish the Americans' common law right of self-defense. Yet in practice, that was precisely what the British were attempting. First, by disarming the Americans, the British were attempting to make the practical exercise of the right of personal self-defense much more difficult. Second, and more fundamentally, the Americans made no distinction between self-defense against a lone criminal or against a criminal government. To the Americans, and to their British Whig ancestors, the right of self-defense necessarily implied the right of armed self-defense against tyranny."
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"The American War of Independence began on April 19, 1775, when 700 Redcoats under the command of Major John Pitcairn left Boston to seize American arms at Lexington and Concord."
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(The powder had been moved for safe-keeping. - Ninurta)
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"When the British began to withdraw back to Boston, things got much worse for them. Armed Americans were swarming in from nearby towns. They would soon outnumber the British 2:1. Although some of the Americans cohered in militia units, a great many fought on their own, taking sniper positions wherever opportunity presented itself. Only British reinforcements dispatched from Boston saved the British expedition from annihilation--and the fact that the Americans started running out of ammunition and gun powder."
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21 April 1775 - "in Virginia, royal authorities confiscated 20 barrels of gunpowder from the public magazine in Williamsburg and destroyed the public firearms there by removing their firing mechanisms. In response to complaints, manifested most visibly by the mustering of a large independent militia led by Patrick Henry, Governor Dunmore delivered a legal note promising to pay restitution."
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"The government in London dispatched more troops and three more generals to America: William Howe, Henry Clinton, and John Burgoyne. The generals arrived on May 25, 1775, with orders from Lord Dartmouth to seize all arms in public armories, or which had been "secretly collected together for the purpose of aiding Rebellions.""
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"At the June 17 Battle of Bunker Hill, the militia held its ground against the British regulars and inflicted heavy casualties, until they ran out of gunpowder and were finally driven back. (Had Gage not confiscated the gunpowder from the Charleston Powder House the previous September, the Battle of Bunker Hill probably would have resulted in an outright defeat of the British.)"
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"On June 19, Gage renewed his demand that the Bostonians surrender their arms, and he declared that anyone found in possession of arms would be deemed guilty of treason."
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"On July 6, 1775, the Continental Congress adopted the Declaration of Causes and Necessity of Taking Up Arms, written by Thomas Jefferson and the great Pennsylvania lawyer John Dickinson. Among the grievances were General Gage's efforts to disarm the people of Lexington, Concord, and Boston."
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"As the war went on, the British always remembered that without gun control, they could never control America. In 1777, with British victory seeming likely, Colonial Undersecretary William Knox drafted a plan entitled "What Is Fit to Be Done with America?" To ensure that there would be no future rebellions, "[t]he Militia Laws should be repealed and none suffered to be re-enacted, & the Arms of all the People should be taken away, . . . nor should any Foundery or manufactuary of Arms, Gunpowder, or Warlike Stores, be ever suffered in America, nor should any Gunpowder, Lead, Arms or Ordnance be imported into it without Licence . . . .""
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"To the Americans of the Revolution and the Founding Era, the theory of some late-20th Century courts that the Second Amendment is a "collective right" and not an "individual right" might have seemed incomprehensible. The Americans owned guns individually, in their homes. They owned guns collectively, in their town armories and powder houses. They would not allow the British to confiscate their individual arms, nor their collective arms; and when the British tried to do both, the Revolution began. The Americans used their individual arms and their collective arms to fight against the confiscation of any arms. Americans fought to provide themselves a government that would never perpetrate the abuses that had provoked the Revolution."

And yet here we are...

Quote:"Laws disarming people who have proven themselves to be a particular threat to public safety are not implicated by the 1774-76 experience. In contrast, laws that aim to disarm the public at large are precisely what turned a political argument into the American Revolution."

So we see what the historical record has to say about what happens in America when disarmament is instituted. As the article points out, going at least as far back as ancient Carthage, disarmament is a precursor to wholesale slaughter - the Romans insisted the Carthaginians surrender their weapons, and when they did, the Romans started taking Carthaginians right out of the equation. Word War II, and the Nazi disarmament of their victims, just shows that it doesn't change much. Pol Pot did the same thing in Cambodia. Stalin did the same in the Soviet Union. In every case, the people who were disarmed were slaughtered and enslaved... by their own governments.

That lesson is not lost on Americans.

Now, all of the proposed measures have been put into effect before in America, individually, with no net decrease in street violence. It is for that reason that I am convinced this is NOT an effort to "make America safer". "High capacity" (really STANDARD capacity) magazines have been outlawed before, with no effect. Ditto "assault weapons". Misdemeanors banning people from buying guns has also already been done - never mind the long-standing principle that America only yanks citizenship from felons - now another class of misdemeanor will disenfranchise them as well, and a really nebulous class at that!

What is a "misdemeanor hate crime"? What is a HATE crime? doesn't that imply there is such a thing as a "love crime"? Who LOVES their victim? ALL crimes are "hate crimes"! There is some serious potential for abuse in this and the "red flag" laws proposed, and that is EXACTLY what the left is hoping for. Suppose the crack-head (or Leftist - same thing) down the street decides to rob me? All they have to do is report me for a "misdemeanor hate crime" that  they made up on the fly, or accuse me of being "unstable", and WHOOSH - in comes the government to disarm me... then the bastards have free reign (or at least think they do) to run roughshod over me with impunity. Not gonna happen on my watch.

Kristen Gillebrand has come up with a hare-brained scheme to "buy back" guns. That hasn't worked out very well in it's various attempts at implementation here, either. Who, in their right mind, is going to sell away their means of defense? That idea, like the "high capacity" magazine ban, would have to have more teeth than they had before... meaning "mandatory" prefaced before the criminal "legislation", and / or confiscation, and barring "grandfathering" for items already in circulation.

And that is where "resolve" comes into the picture.

I'm not advocating outright rebellion. that often ends poorly, especially in totalitarian states as the American Left would have us become. What I advocate, at least initially, is non-compliance. As Nancy Reagan famously said, just say "no". Don't willingly give your means of defense up - it is insanity to do so. Their only choice then is to come to YOU to take what is yours, to confiscate YOUR rightful property.

And THAT is where the war starts. Make them pay dearly for everything they take - money is not enough. Anyone, ANYONE AT ALL, entering your premises to take what is not theirs is a "home invader", a common thief, and should be treated as such. There are 300 million guns in America, and many billions of rounds of ammunition. There are not enough people in America to take them all if their owners and operators draw the line.

Attention leftists and their minions: you will never, EVER, disarm me. You will never, EVER take away my means of defending myself as long as I still draw breath. It's a sad day when you make yourself the enemy that I must defend against. Sad for you, and sad for me as well. The only way you can disarm me is to kill me, and I promise it will not be a good day for you and many of yours when you come to do it. I will not "go quietly into that good night". It will be a sad day for the both of us, because I am sure to die as well, but I have my children and grand children to think of, and the world they will have to inhabit. I am expendable. I always have been. they are not, and the one thing I am still willing to die for is their future. It's the only thing I've ever been willing to die for, and it still is. I just have a lot less left to lose now in that fight. My best days are gone, and I'm ready to leave this plane whenever you are.

Remember the powder I mentioned above that was spirited away for safekeeping at Lexington and Concord? The powder that Pitcairn never got to seize, because it wasn't there when he got there? Yeah. it would do you well to remember that. I know where there are entire buses and connex containers of arms, ammunition, explosives, and various ordnance buried around the US. I'm not the only one who knows where they are. Once you've got me killed, your troubles will have only begun. Just like that powder came back to bite the Redcoats in the ass, so will those cached stores of ordinance come back to bite YOU in the ass. Hard.

I am no danger to you until you make yourself a danger to me and mine. When you do, I solemnly promise that I will suddenly become far more dangerous than you can even begin to imagine. Mere guns are just the beginning of it.

There are many, many more like me.

So come get you some.

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  Nuclear Deterrent......U.S. NAVY Submarines
Posted by: 727Sky - Yesterday, 07:29 AM - Forum: Military Matters and Misteps - Replies (3)

 Nuclear Deterrent......U.S. NAVY Submarines
 

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If you’re concerned about N. Korea, don’t be.    And how many subs would it take to eliminate all the hostile territories in the Middle East?   Just 1(ONE)
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The U.S. Navy has 18 of the most deadly and feared weapons ever created.
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Meet the Ohio-class submarine. In naval terms, it makes up the Fleet Ballistic Missile subs (FBMs).
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These 18 weapons are also known as "Trident" subs because they're a part of America 's "Nuclear Triad".
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Our subs can also enter fresh water such as our Great Lakes (which already has the US Navy's USS Kentucky SSBN-737 & other smaller Los Angeles-class Attack Subs)
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However, there are more logistics to this equation …
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… starting with its power source.
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They are powered by an internal S8G PWR nuclear reactor that turns the sub's 2 turbines which drive the rear propeller shaft.
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An Ohio-class has unlimited range w/1 exception...it’s limited to the vessel's supply of food for the crew.
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Other than food, she can produce her own oxygen and water supply for her crew.
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It actually moves faster under water than on the surface.
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Surfaced – max speed of 14 mph
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Submerged – 23 mph, officially, but, unofficially, it's been reported to move up to 29 mph
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These subs (w/the exception of re-supply time) are operating underwater year-round.
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The Ohio-class along w/our Navy's smaller attack subs are nearly impossible for our adversaries to locate.  But they know 1 thing.. 18 Ohio-class subs are lurking somewhere around the world.
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The firepower…
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For defensive/offensive attack abilities against other subs, all 18 have 4 533mm Mark 48 torpedo tubes.
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Mark 48 torpedoes have an effective range (officially) "greater than 5 miles".
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Depending on depth of launch, they travel at speeds up to 63 mph and detonate using a proximity fuse (when the torpedo senses the opponent's sub/ship).
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14 of these subs are ballistic missile submarines (SSBN).
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And 4 have been converted to guided missile submarines (SSGN).
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What can they launch?  For reference, a kiloton (kt.) = 220,462,262 lbs.  A single kt. is over 220.4 million pounds.
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The 8 oldest of 14 SSBN carry the following nuclear armament: 24 Trident I/C4 missiles that cover a range of 4,600 miles.
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Each missile has Multiple Independently targetable Reentry Vehicle (MIRV).
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MIRVs are capable of being aimed to hit multiple different targets with nuclear warheads.
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A single missile carries 8 thermonuclear warheads that can break-off to hit up to 8 targets with 100 kilotons of TNT (total of 800 kt. of TNT).
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For perspective, “Fat Man”—the largest of the 2 nukes dropped to end WWII had a total of 21kt of TNT.
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The 10 newer SSBNs armament: 24 Trident II/C5 missiles that cover a range of 7,000 mi.
Each Trident II SLBM missile can carry 12 MIRV thermonuclear warheads...these can hit 12 targets w/up to 475 kt. of TNT (total of 5,700 kt. of TNT).
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A single missile from these 10 Ohio-class subs: equal to 1,256,634,893,400 pounds of TNT as in -1 trillion 2 hundred 56 million plus lbs. of BOOM.
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Upgraded 4 SSGN Guided Missile subs armament: 22 tubes w/7 Tomahawk Cruise Missiles (total 154).
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Tomahawks are versatile.  They can be equipped with thermonuclear warheads.
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In addition, the SSGNs can be used to deliver many other specialized weapons such as Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs)...& 1 real cool group of weapons.
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They can convert 2 of the 22 tubes into swimmer lockout chambers which provide a dry dock shelter for Navy SEALS or Marine special operation scout teams.
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In the dry dock tubes, SEALs can prepare to get on their SDV mini-subs.
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The Ohio-class is our largest submarine.
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There you have it, the most feared weapon on Earth!
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It's always ready, almost impossible to find, & can deliver SEALs or hit specific targets.
And then there's the worst case scenario, nuclear war.
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Thing is...
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When the bad guys know the 2nd-strike capabilities of the Ohio-class submarine, they’re never going to mess with the United States of America
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Thank you to the few who stay under water to provide us with the last line of defense

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  AMAZON’S CEO OWNS A TERROR-LINKED PAPER
Posted by: Wallfire - 08-19-2019, 10:23 AM - Forum: Breaking News - Replies (3)

I dont know if this is true but if it is its something to be very worried about

Quote:The Washington Post’s ties to Islamic terrorists are a national security risk.

August 16, 2019
 
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Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is an investigative journalist
and writer focusing on the radical Left and Islamic terrorism.


Millions of Americans brought Alexa into their homes only to learn, belatedly, that not only software, but human
beings, were listening in on them.

Amazon employees and contractors from Costa Rica to India were caught reviewing thousands of recordings,
of casual requests, private conversations and intimate moments, and sharing clips that they thought were funny
in chat sessions with each other.

The Amazon product is always listening and maintains recordings of your conversations indefinitely.
But now there’s something bigger at stake than privacy violations. Amazon expects a $10 billion cloud contract
for the military. The $10 billion contract was a sweetheart deal for a politically influential company that seemed
unstoppable until President Trump suddenly slammed the brakes on JEDI.

The deal had always been dubious and many critics had questioned how or why a single company could expect
to have a monopoly on the JEDI cloud for the United States military.

Amazon’s cloud business is huge, but the Capital One breach of 100 million credit card applications by a former
Amazon employee highlighted the company’s security and workforce issues. Capital One kept its data in the cloud
through AWS or Amazon Web Services and the hacker was a former AWS employee with specialized knowledge.

In the Obama era, Amazon had received a $600 million cloud contract that covers all 17 intelligence agencies.
The secret deal was met with protests especially since Amazon’s wasn’t even the lowest bid.

Just as with JEDI, all the national security eggs were being put into one very fragile basket.
Amazon’s federal cloud contracts took off in the Obama era. Many of the biggest contracts are classified making
it difficult to measure how much taxpayer money is being sucked into the Bezos business. But Amazon is winning
contracts in the usual Washington D.C. way, by spending millions a year on lobbying.

The dot com titan began lobbying the Pentagon in 2016. That was the year Amazon’s lobbying expenditures hit
a whopping $11 million, up from $1.62 million during the Bush administration. Amazon’s PAC, which the company
strongly encourages employees to donate to, accounted for $515,200 in donations to members of Congress.

Amazon was the fourth biggest contributor to Senator Mark Warner. And when President Trump put Amazon’s
JEDI deal on hold, Warner was among the first to protest the move. In his letter, Warner urged the Secretary
of Defense to “resist political pressures” that might scuttle $10 billion for Amazon.

Senator Warner, who was applying political pressure to the Secretary of Defense, to protect a contract that
would benefit his contributors, appeared to be unaware of the irony of his message.
But Amazon’s lobbying millions were only the tip of the iceberg of its dubious political influence.

Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos is not only the richest person in the world, with an estimated $156 billion, but
is a heavyweight political donor who has outspent other S&P 500 CEOs by a factor of 10. Bezos was
the 12thbiggest political donor of the 2018 cycle, coming in behind Bloomberg and Soros.

And, even more importantly, Bezos owns the Washington Post. The powerful political tabloid sets the
agenda in the government city, but it’s also raising questions about whether Amazon is a security risk
for reasons that go far beyond the flaws in AWS or whatever influence it might have used to grab JEDI.

In its story on the JEDI contract, the Washington Post claimed that, “Trump on several occasions has
spoken out against Amazon and its chief executive, Jeff Bezos. And he has attacked the Bezos-owned
Washington Post for its coverage of him by conflating it with Amazon’s interests.”

Then the Washington Post went on to complain that, “The president has called the news organization
the ‘Amazon Washington Post,’ while accusing it of publishing ‘fake news’ and being a ‘lobbyist
newspaper’ for the company.” A rumor that the Washington Post helpfully put to bed by doing just that.

But the real problem with the intersection between the Washington Post and Amazon isn’t its left-wing
politics: it’s Jamal Khashoggi. A year after Amazon began lobbying the Pentagon, the Washington Post
began publishing propaganda screeds in support of the Muslim Brotherhood, shaped by the Qatar
Foundation, under the name of Jamal Khashoggi.

The Washington Post was aware that Khashoggi, an old friend of Osama bin Laden and longtime supporter
of Islamic terrorism, was operating under Qatari influence. It was also aware that Qatar was the region’s
biggest backer of Sunni Islamic terrorism and regime change influence operations.

Its publication of Qatari propaganda under Khashoggi’s name and its subsequent insistence on transforming
him into a martyr as part of the Qatari influence operation against Saudi Arabia, was an active attempt to
influence United States foreign policy on behalf of an enemy government.

It’s behavior properly associated with registered foreign agents. Not an American media outlet.
A company that appears to be operating as an unregistered foreign agent for an enemy government cannot
then turn around and have its owner’s company be trusted with the military’s JEDI cloud.

Why the Washington Post chose to participate in the Qatari influence operation is an open question.
Until it’s resolved, allowing another company controlled by its owner to have sole dominion over the
military cloud, as it already possesses over our intelligence cloud, is an unacceptable security risk.
The issue at stake is about more than whether Amazon or Microsoft get a $10 billion contract.

Our national security has already been badly compromised by the radical employees of contractors,
Edward Snowden and Reality Winner. Snowden and Winner both compromised national security
through the auspices of The Intercept, a site funded by Franco-Iranian dot com billionaire Pierre
Omidyar. The Intercept has also been a notorious vehicle for Qatari influence operations.
Putting the military cloud in the hands of a compromised company could be truly devastating.

The Washington Post has an unfortunate history of acting as an advocate for Qatar and for Islamic
terrorists in general. It has run countless pieces in support of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim
Brotherhood has multiple terrorist affiliates and is dedicated to subverting our political system. 

The Post was criticized for running an op-ed by Mohammed Ali al-Houthi, the leader of Yemen’s Houthi
terrorists, who are backed by Iran, who have attacked Americans, and who chant, “Death to America”.

Earlier it had been condemned for publishing an op-ed from Ahrar al-Sham, an Islamic guerrilla group
that had worked with Al Qaeda.

One of the founding members of the armed jihadist group went on to head the Al Qaeda affiliate in Syria.
Even Secretary of State John Kerry had condemned it, saying,
“From Orlando to San Bernardino to the Philippines and Bali, we’ve seen pictures
and we’ve heard testimony of shocking crimes committed by al-Qaida, by Boko Haram,
by Jaysh al-Islam, by Ahrar al-Sham, by al-Shabaab, Daesh, other groups against
innocent civilians, against journalists, and against teachers.”

But the Washington Post didn’t just offer op-ed space to brutal terrorists, it whitewashed them.
It ran a glowing profile of Salah Badi, a Libyan Islamist terrorist who had been sanctioned by the
Treasury Department and the UN Security Council for rocket attacks that had killed civilians.
The Washington Post described the brutal Islamist killer as "one of Tripoli's defenders".

Even when it came to ISIS, the Washington Post ran an article headlined, "ISIS kidnapped my best friend.
But when I met its fighters, I couldn’t hate them."

The Post ran an article touting Ismail Royer, who had been caught with weapons on September 2001
and had been convicted as part of the Virginia Jihad Network.
Last year, even the Taliban praised the Washington Post for giving the terror group credibility.

The Washington Post provides terrorists with a forum, whitewashes them and maintains an inappropriate
relationship with state sponsors of Islamic terror. A company that shares a common leader with an
organization with troubling terror ties should not control the military’s JEDI cloud.
The risks to our national security and the lives of our soldiers would be incalculable.

While American soldiers battle the Taliban in Afghanistan, the military’s JEDI cloud should not belong to a
company that shares a leader with a paper that was praised by the Taliban.
While American sailors battle the Houthis in Yemen, the JEDI cloud should not be exposed to a company
that shares a leader with an organization that provided the Houthis with a forum.

While American pilots go after Al Qaeda, ISIS and its allies in Syria, they should not be relying on JEDI
cloud that shares a leader with an outlet that opened its doors to Al Qaeda’s allies.
Amazon’s JEDI bid is a threat to national security as long as its CEO is involved with a propaganda outlet
for foreign terrorist groups and foreign governments that are waging a war against the United States.
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  Roy 'Chubby' Brown... Humour Of A Particular Taste.
Posted by: BIAD - 08-18-2019, 06:16 PM - Forum: Humor, Jokes & Pranks - Replies (4)

Here's Chubbs, I saw him live many years ago and his humour is local-born.
(He lives not that far away from me!)

He would have most snowflakes vomiting into their handbags.
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  Climate hysteria is our new religion
Posted by: Wallfire - 08-18-2019, 10:57 AM - Forum: The Great Climate Change Debate - Replies (1)

This is worth reading

Quote: Climate alarmism is today a stronger belief in the Western world than Christianity.
We can therefore expect continued persistent propaganda - and the hysteria will not be toned down
but will only be replaced by new outbreaks of climate alarms, Jan Tullberg writes.

Much human action takes place in the form of emotional opinions, which are later sought to back up
with rational or apparently rational arguments.

In a religious tradition, people act in a way that is justified on the basis of rewards and punishments
from God. Our sins cannot be undone, but they are duly punished.
The religious awaits personal punishment in the purgatory and collective flood.

The Seventh-day Evangelists got a clear revelation when the Day of Judgment would come, as did
many other similar sects. The Flood was expected until 1844, but believers were more disappointed
than relieved when nothing happened.

They searched for holy scriptures and for a new time - the day of judgment must come soon. But the
world continues, even though we are moving towards ruin. We know we sinned.

Despite the knowledge that this is a sin, we continue to sin, we deserve a punishment and it will not be
like a first-time criminal but a chronic criminal. The day of judgment does not come a day early and the
verdict becomes harsh.

In our time, we in the Western world do not believe in God very much, but we still maintain our religious
morals. There is no god, but there are divine punishments.

At all times, the weather has been interpreted as God rewarding or punishing humanity.
Today's weather, however, is a little too whimsical to be interpreted as a god's punishment or grace,
it needed a little more duration in the cover. Seven good years followed by seven lean years is
something more of a verdict.
Have people been responsible? Can one read of God's contentment with humans through climate change?

The environmental movement feared until the mid-1980s that it would be a cooling off.
The argument for this was that particles in the air would reduce the radiation of sunlight. But with the
exception of any disaster film in which New York is crushed by the ice masses, the climate disaster turned
into heating.

The key, however, is not cold or heat, but rather a catastrophe - a punishment for sinful behavior.
At first, there was much else that would end and start the disaster. But now the focus is on CO2.
This is strange - man does a lot, but the big problem would be carbon dioxide is one of the most unlikely
theories.

Forecasts are relatively easy to construct and they do not look as crazy on existing data.
However, the deciding factor is whether they agree to new data. It is only then that the skeptic becomes
interested. Then it turns out if the story is more than just a story.

What is strange about the thrill of anthropogenic climate change is that the forecasts do not hit.
The Rome Club made its forecast, Al Gore made its forecast, but they have not entered. For every
forecast that fails, the accident scares increase their sound volume instead.

Only if you talk about carbon dioxide in weight terms does it sound impressive.
To release 40 billion tonnes globally each year sounds impressive, but as a share in the atmosphere
it becomes almost negligible. But strangely enough, many people are convinced that an increase in
carbon dioxide in the air from 0.04 percent to 0.08 percent will have devastating consequences.

One nasty trick is to designate the carbon dioxide as a pullout, a pollutant.
In many situations, the carbon dioxide content is many thousands of ppm without being poisoned,
it is only the carbon monoxide that is hazardous to health.

There are many religious elements in the faith. Of course, it is considered that the storms will be
more, the dry will be drier and the wet will be wetter. The listener marvels, should the accident
crusters at least decide whether it will be generally humid or drier if the climate gets warmer?

It becomes a fully guaranteed pessimistic forecast. Blessed are the believers. Limhamn Church
appointed teenage prophet Greta Thunberg as "a Jesus of our time".

One problem for climate alarmism is that vegetation benefits from more CO2 in the air.
This scientifically safe effect is difficult to absorb in the conversation so it goes under the rug.
In serious experiments, you make every effort to keep all variables unchanged except one.

The power change you then get can be linked to the variable that was changed.
But the climate of the earth is constantly changing and in addition radically with ice ages and
heating periods and by a number of variables with no connections to man.

Now man has emerged as a new variable, but all the other variables continue to shift.
To assume that they are now constant and the anthropogenic influence is the only variable that
changes and which can be linked as a cause of change is ridiculously simplistic.

To this should also be said that the warmest year in the earth in modern times was 1998, which
was before we were able to release many billions of tons of carbon dioxide. We can also see how
changes in ocean currents directly affect the global temperature.

The desire to believe in a disaster exists as a religious statement. In addition, there is always the
priesthood's interest in interpreting and taming the impending disaster.

The world has many problems that exist in many countries, but there is no indication that the same
policy in all countries is an advantage. Few voters believe that global unemployment insurance is a
winner, but on the other hand, there is no objection to their own authorities copying another successful
nation.

But there are rarely strong arguments for a common solution for all countries.
In the climate issue, the problem is obviously mobile across national borders - the problem is a public
tragedy.

It is therefore a perfect question for the UN bureaucracy to justify its exercise of power.
This has resulted in massive propaganda and the many qualified skeptics have been bullied out of the
debate.

But some problem solutions are so attractive that a problem must be discovered that fits the desired
solution. Central bureaucrats and politicians rush in and try to fill the empty places that secularisation
has caused in the believers.

Their need for a climate crisis is as strong as the priesthood of a god. Yes, today, climate alarmism is
a stronger belief in the West. We can therefore expect persistent propaganda and the climate hysteria
will not be toned down but replaced by new outbreaks with climate alarms.
Each alarm is even more saturated than the previous one.

That the theory is wrong is a weakness, but there is another. Faith appeals to those who destroy
goodness who want to feel contentment with themselves and that the world is heading in the right
direction.

They like the situation and the situation likes them. You can walk around and be proud of your diet and
end up smoking. But climate alarmism is not generous with praise. You sin all the time - only if you exhale
regularly do you contribute emissions of 0.3 tons of carbon dioxide in a year.
You can't really walk around and be proud of not flying to the US every week.

The good-natured jerk is in the same vice as for the beggars. After all, one's few efforts fade away in
comparison to all the times when the tender heart goes past the beggar without giving. The difference
between the "good" that sometimes gives and "the bad" that never gives shrinks down to a negligible
proportion of all possible donor situations.

What is the point of considering having a duty whose main effect is that you feel bad yourself? 
The cure for climate alarmism is that more and more people are getting tired of the masochistic
ritual and the ungrateful role of poor sinners.


JAN TULLBERG
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  Now Greta Thunberg's sailing trip is not clean anymore
Posted by: Wallfire - 08-17-2019, 10:58 AM - Forum: The Great Climate Change Debate - Replies (2)

Its all about the show

Quote:As of: 16.08.2019 
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Leash off and sail up: Greta Thunberg avoids flying to avoid CO2 emissions. Instead, the Swedish activist sets sail with a racing boat. Start: Plymouth in England. Goal: The Climate Summit in New York.
Source: WORLD / Lea Freist
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Activist Greta Thunberg had announced that she wanted to travel with a racing yacht as climate-neutral as possible to the summit in New York. But now it is known how the boat should come back. This makes the original CO2 bill obsolete.

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Kaum is Greta Thunberg with the yacht "Malizia II" in the Atlantic on the way to start the difficulties: [url=https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article198573009/Yacht-nach-New-York-Wie-es-Greta-Thunberg-auf-hoher-See-geht.html]The boat needs to avoid bad weather and runs towards Azores from, is currently off the French coast instead of heading west.
And on the European mainland there is also a storm - albeit a medial one. One day after the yacht left the harbor, the spokesman for Skipper Boris Herrmann confesses color: He told the "taz" that probably five professionals of the "Team Malizia" sailing project would fly to New York to receive the boat there and then sail back to Europe. "Of course they fly over there, that's no different," said Andreas Kling. The "Malizia II" is extremely bad to maneuver as a pure offshore racing boat in the harbor and must be carefully maintained after a trip and re-supplied with provisions.
Herrmann himself will take back the plane. Greta's trip triggers at least six flights across the Atlantic. WELT had already tried in several ways yesterday to reach Thunberg's spokesman and the sailing team, but received no answer to the questions about the return journey of the sailing professionals and the yacht.
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But now a spokeswoman for the "Team Malizia" has reported to WELT - and contradicts her colleague Andreas Kling: "We do not fly five people over for the return trip," writes Holly Cova. An alternative crew sailed the boat back, but two of these sailors are already in the US. All flights that would be made would be "balanced". However, she also reveals that in addition to Herrmann and Mitsegler Pierre Casiraghi flies back.
"Boris and Pierre have adapted this trip to a very tight schedule at very short notice. They would first have to rest and then sail back, which their schedule does not allow. "This raises further questions: The two sailors who are already there, will not have run over the water to New York. If they are US citizens, they would have to come alternatively after the sailing trip from the USA to Europe back to the USA.
Requested sail freighter avoids hurricane danger

Either way, at least seven flights result. If Greta and her father had simply flown to New York themselves, it would have been four - regardless of any compensation payments. The exact set-off may seem petty, but it's given by Thunberg, who called the racing boat to avoid a single round-trip with great effect.
The spokeswoman further reveals that Greta originally wanted to cross the Atlantic with the much larger sailing freighter "Tres Hombres". But his talk avoids the trip due to the hurricane threat in late summer. Thus, it is to be hoped that Thunberg, Herrmann and his crew will be able to avoid the increasingly bad weather on the Atlantic. Otherwise, the sailors would endanger human lives for a public stunt.
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Thunberg had announced that it would be effective to travel to New York as far as possible without CO 2 being taken to the climate summit. Herrmann had then offered to sail Thunberg with the racing yacht of his team across the Atlantic. Then the "Team Malizia" stirred the drum and benefited from global media hype around Thunberg. Herrmann and his yacht were previously known only in the sailing scene, he now made it into the evening news worldwide.

According to Herrmann, Thunberg chose the "cleanest, most environmentally friendly option" for the Atlantic trip . But that is not the case in this case. Alone the hype surrounding their departure has certainly caused more CO 2 than a simple flight. Dozens of volunteers, journalists and PR experts had pilgrimaged to the harbor in Plymouth - and certainly not the full stretch.

In New York now beckons again a media hype, before Herrmann hands over his boat to the flown helpers and even back on the plane back home. The climate activist certainly gets more attention for her project with her journey in the racing yacht than if she had just taken a freighter. But the message is fatal: as long as the show is good, the real consequences for the climate do not matter. Well meant is sometimes just the opposite of good.
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With racing sailor Boris Herrmann, Greta Thunberg starts her two-week sea voyage to the UN Climate Change Conference in New York. Watch the joint press conference before the sails are set.
Source: WORLD


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  'Easy Rider' actor Peter Fonda dead at age 79
Posted by: 727Sky - 08-17-2019, 08:56 AM - Forum: Breaking News - Replies (1)

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'Easy Rider' actor Peter Fonda dead at age 79
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FILE PHOTO: Actor Peter Fonda poses for a portrait on a replica of the "Captain America" bike in Glendale, California October 23, 2009. REUTERS/Mario Anzuoni/File Photo
 
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Oscar nominated actor Peter Fonda, who played a cool and introspective motorcyclist in the 1969 film "Easy Rider" that captured the spirit of the era's counterculture movement, died on Friday at age 79, his family said in a statement.
 
Fonda, the son of Hollywood leading man Henry Fonda and the brother of Jane Fonda, died at his home in Los Angeles on Friday morning of respiratory failure from lung cancer, the statement said.
 
"It is with deep sorrow that we share the news that Peter Fonda has passed away," it said, adding: "In honour of Peter, please raise a glass to freedom."
 
"While we mourn the loss of this sweet and gracious man, we also wish for all to celebrate his indomitable spirit and love of life," the family said.
 
Fonda played the wanderer Wyatt in "Easy Rider," opposite the late Dennis Hopper who co-starred as fellow biker Billy and directed the film.
 
In the movie, Wyatt and Billy set out on their motorbikes to discover America and have a number of misadventures, befriending an attorney played by Jack Nicholson, before meeting violent deaths.
 
"Easy Rider," with a script co-written by Fonda, helped usher in a period known as the "New Hollywood" era of filmmaking, which often avoided happy endings and other conventions of the Hollywood studio system.
 
Fonda was nominated for an Academy Award for his work on the script of "Easy Rider" and went on to act in movies and television shows at a steady pace in the decades after, achieving a second career highlight when he was nominated for a best actor Oscar for his role as a beekeeper in the 1997 drama "Ulee's Gold."
 
His other notable film appearances included supporting roles in the remake of the western "3:10 to Yuma" and the action-fantasy "Ghost Rider," which both came out in 2007.
 
Jane Fonda, who is known for her role in the 1968 film "Barbarella" and in the ongoing Netflix series "Grace and Frankie," expressed sadness at her brother's death.
 
"He was my sweet-hearted baby brother. The talker of the family," she said in a statement. "I have had beautiful alone time with him these last days. He went out laughing."
 
MOTHER'S SUICIDE
 
Peter Fonda, born in 1940 in New York City, lost his mother, the socialite Frances Ford Seymour, as a child when she took her own life.
 
Fonda later said in interviews he did not know his mother's death had been due to suicide until years later. The late Henry Fonda, who during his life had five wives, had earlier told Seymour he wanted a divorce.
 
Growing up, Peter Fonda attended a number of boarding schools and suffered serious injury when he accidentally shot himself with a rifle at age 11.
 
He admired his father, the star of films such as "The Grapes of Wrath" and "12 Angry Men," but would later describe him as emotionally distant, at least with his son.
 
Peter Fonda is survived by wife Margaret DeVogelaere and by his children with former wife Susan Brewer, Bridget and Justin Fonda. Both children have also worked in Hollywood.
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  Hillary's Emails: We Have Them All
Posted by: Mystic Wanderer - 08-16-2019, 04:53 PM - Forum: Political News and more - Replies (8)

Oops! Bad news for Hillary Clinton.   tinylaughing  She didn't realize her emails were being copied and sent to another person, Paul Combetta, "an IT aide Clinton hired who used BleachBit to destroy emails after they were subpoenaed and misled FBI agents."

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  • All but four of Hillary Clinton’s 30,000 emails were copied, likely secretly, to a Gmail address called CarterHeavyIndustries@gmail.com, according to a new Senate report.

  • The FBI says that the account was linked to Paul Combetta, an IT aide Clinton hired who used BleachBit to destroy emails after they were subpoenaed and misled FBI agents.

  • Combetta said he sent all of her emails to the Gmail account as part of trying to copy them to a new server. Combetta was copying Clinton’s emails off of an old laptop that he was supposed send back in the mail, but there’s no evidence he returned it, according to the Department of Justice Inspector General.

  • When an intel agent discovered the copying to a third-party account, he said Peter Strzok seemed disinterested. The intel agency feared the email account could be a link to a foreign power, but the FBI refused to explain it to them.

Can you imagine Killary's face when she learned about this?   smallroflmao
I would have loved to see what happened. I imagine it was something similar to this:   smallkillingpc 


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  Villagers Say Aliens Building Base in Himalayan Mountains
Posted by: 727Sky - 08-16-2019, 12:59 PM - Forum: UFOs, Aliens and Universal Questions - Replies (1)

Here are a few links for those who might be interested


http://www.ufocasebook.com/himalayanbase.html

Quote:Villagers Say Aliens Building Base in Himalayan Mountains

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Mountain villagers in the Tarai region of India's Himachal Pradesh state claim that UFOs have been seen "by day and by night" near the high-altitude glaciers of the Himalayas and that "aliens are building a very large underground base up there."
Since Sunday, October 10, 2004, UFOs, ranging in size from "very large cylindrical objects of a dull silver colour" to
"small speedy discs," have been seen over the glaciers north of Chini, about 40 kilometers (25 miles) from India's border
with China. UFOs seen at night were said to "glow red and gold."

"More Indian military personnel and local natives are coming forward in the Himalayas' Tarai area and are reporting many
exceedingly abnormal activities and UFO sightings all around the clock."
"Some (Indian) helicopter pilots are complaining about sophisticated jamming."

"A young boy in Nepal drew a picture of what appears to be an extraterrestrial flying object.
He saw it while playing with many friends on the ground. The boys reported that these vehicles have no sound, can take off
vertically, and can float in defiance of gravity. These vehicles can disappear all of a sudden," reported Sumit Chatterjee.

"Some of the IAF (Indian Air Force--J.T.) pilots are continually reporting seeing strange flying objects in the Himalayas near the
Chinese border."

"A Tibetan (Buddhist) monk who recently visited India said these activities have been going on since 1998."
"According to a scientist of the Indian Geological Survey, UFOs and strange beings are visiting a 100-square- kilometer portion
of the Tarai.

Visits have occurred frequently during the past 18 months. The northeastern region of Himachal Pradesh has experienced many
varied sightings." Chatterjee added, "Among the local people is a rumour that 'they' will land here in the next seven years.
Some Indian ufologists say that beings from Sirius will land on Earth and publicly reveal themselves in 2012."
"Is this the final prophecy of the landing that the Mayans predicted centuries ago?"

"The military personnel are talking privately but maintain that for national security reasons nothing more can be said. But at least
one of the officers has come out and said bluntly that these are UFOs."
"There are many indications that a large underground base is now being built within the hard andesite (bedrock) of the high
Himalayas. The construction is going on in the high terrain close to the No Man's Land between India and China."

"Another interesting thing--increased Indian and Chinese army activity has been seen in the region."
But the strangest report comes from the Chinese side of the border. A Chinese armored brigade, outfitted with T-80 main
battle tanks, was ordered to proceed to the border from the People's Liberation Army (PLA) base in Niuke. But when the tanks
got to Zhada, they got a real surprise.

"Recently an artificial lake was created in China" west of Zhada, "very close to the Indian border. "The lake" filled the Langchui
River (called the Sutlej River on the Indian side--J.T.) valley and "threatened to flood the Indian side. India and China both
refused to investigate the incident.

Then, all of a sudden, the local Chinese people reported that the lake was no longer there.
Whatever remained of the lake was no longer a threat to the Indian villagers. What really happened?" Chatterjee asked,
"What caused an artificial lake of this size? And who took care of removing the problem?"

"It appears that the aliens melted a glacier and created the temporary lake to prevent those Chinese tanks from reaching the
border," said Krishnari Bai Dharapurnanda, a UFO Roundup correspondent in India.

"There are many rumours at the Indian Space Research Organisaton (ISRO). They say these UFOs are definitely planning and
building a fortress in the Himalayas for a purpose known only to the aliens themselves."

In China, UFO Roundup correspondent Chen Jilin reported, "No news is coming out of the Langchui Valley. It is a military region
with very tight security.

But the rumour is, the Extraterrestrials are active in the region with the collusion of the (Chinese Communist) Party and New
Delhi, to ward off an attack from the Anglo-Americans and the Israelis."

Many thanks to Sumit Chatterjee, Krishnari Bai Dharapurnanda and Chen Jilin for this news story.
UFO Roundup


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