Something is cooking...

[BIAD]

Just to fix a problem from a previous posting, I wrote of the possible route that Dawn Sturgess and Charlie
Rowley may have taken from Ms. Sturgess' home to get to the park. Wrangling with the suggestions and
falsehoods from the media, mistakes in their narrative emerge as they progress to tow the established line.

Earlier, the title 'off-licence' was used in the reports and if one types that label into google maps -and for
Salisbury, it will only show establishments known as off-licences. An updated MailOnline page now offers
the information that Charlie Rowley purchased alcholol from a shop that sells booze and I never thought of
this!

The 'Best 1 Local' is a retail-outlet that's situated on the corner of Winchester Street and where Rollestone
Street -(where Sturgess lived) becomes Brown Street. 
I'll focus on this further down of this post.

...............................
The guy who was with Rowley during his attack.
Sam Hobson seems to be freely available to the media to report these things and it also seems he's feeding
it out in dribs-and-drabs! He states the sunglasses were found at the Queen Elizabeth II park on Friday and
assuming that he, his friend and the infected couple are unemployed, it's implied that they were all enjoying a
sunny afternoon drinking lager in a park.

Or is that the mainstream media...? feeding dubious information out -I mean. Although, Journalists like to drink!!
...............................

Sam Hobson and Charlie Rowley live in Amesbury. Dawn Sturgess lived in Salisbury.
Where Craig Pattenden lives -another individual mentioned, remains unknown.

'...Craig Pattenden, 38, and Sam Hobson, 29, were with them when they took a bus from Salisbury to Amesbury
on Friday evening. Sam, from Amesbury, said:
She found some sunglasses on Friday and started wearing them...'

'...“On the bus back she was saying to me and Craig, ‘Do you like my new sunglasses? I found them’.
I think it was in the park.”...'
LINK:

The various photographs of Dawn wearing sunglasses tends to offer the idea that she often wore sunglasses
and unless there's a different pair somewhere, those sunglasses are all the same.
But I might be reaching.

It's obvious that Ms. Sturgess knew Hobson and Pattenden, were they with Charlie Rowley and Dawn before
the bus-ride back to Amesbury? Also it could be that this pair -or at east Hobson was at Rowley's flat when
Sturgess took ill.
'...Friend Sam Hobson said she had appeared to have a fit and was "foaming at the mouth"...'
BBC:

If it was only Rowley that accompanied Sturgess during her visits to the shops and finally the park in Salisbury,
then the finding-of-the-sunglasses comment would make sense when Sturgess and Rowley travelled by bus to
Amesbury. Ergo, 'me and Craig' were on that bus -but not at the park.

Dawn Sturgess doesn't name the park, which implies an accepted familiarity of the location between Sturgess,
Hobson and Pattenden. So even though Sam Hobson is reported to have said '...She found some sunglasses
on Friday and started wearing them...', they all may have visited that particular park before the Friday of supposed
contamination.

If this theory holds water, then where did the couple walk to that was different from their usual wanderings in the
park...? wanderings of the last four months?
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If one is visiting a Church Fete for food, I'd wager that finance is always a concern in these types of class-circles.
The Benefit schemes and social housing in the UK are designed to offer some, a surplus to be wasted on drinking
and drug-abuse. Hobson mentioned visiting the church for food in his interview.

Bus travel would only be around £4 one-way ($5.30) and with Karpackie Polish lager retailing at £3.60 for-four cans
(that's without the small-shop mark-up!), a trip to the Queen Elizabeth Park in Salisbury from Amesbury would cost
Hobson and Pattenden £15-a-go and that's assuming Dawn Sturgess wasn't paying.

29th June Friday.14.12.pm.
'....Dawn was pictured buying alcohol from a cornershop on Friday...'
And the footage of her visiting a store with two blurred individuals implies she did purchase items for others.
A friendly soul who is at the mercy of the booze, drugs and scrounging friends with similar tastes?
In The Shop:


29th June Friday. 10.06.am.
Rowley isn't in the shop with Sturgess as The MailOnline reports that on that Friday, Charlie Rowley was wearing:
'...Wearing jeans, a cheque shirt and cream coloured baseball cap, 45-year-old Mr Rowley buys four cans
of 9 per cent Karpackie Polish lager from Best 1 Local in Salisbury city centre at 10.06am on June 29...'


'Mr Rowley, who had Novichok on his hands, is shown her giving cash to the shop assistant'

It's not the same shop as Sturgess visited, unless the owner has changed his shirt and his gender!
The door open outwards in the Sturgess image, but it's an inward-opening door on the Rowley picture.

Neither of the two people with Dawn Sturgess are dressed in that apparel as described by The Mail and
the media's narrative is struggling to attempt to have Rowley and Sturgess together for the morning and
afternoon of Friday 29th.
Here's other comments from that page

'This is Novichok victim Charlie Rowley laughing and joking in an off licence just hours before he collapsed
and began foaming at the mouth after touching an extremely 'high dose' of the poison.

MailOnline has obtained CCTV of Mr Rowley, who is said to be on the brink of death today, as it was revealed
his girlfriend Dawn Sturgess, 44, passed away in Salisbury last night.

Mr Rowley, who had the highest concentrations of the nerve agent on his hands, is seen buying cans of super-strong
lager in Salisbury and sharing a laugh with the cashier, who takes his money and packs up the alcohol for him...'

The shop-owner knows both of them and even on first-name terms, even though Rowley lives in Amesbury.

"Dawn usually came in to the shop more often and would buy Charlie stuff. He'd come in now and again.
'She seemed more healthier than him..."
MailOnline:

It's a puzzle!
.............................................................

Edit: The Mail must have had the 'Rowley-buying-booze' footage from Monday, as their quote says:
'...MailOnline has obtained CCTV of Mr Rowley, who is said to be on the brink of death today, as it was revealed
his girlfriend Dawn Sturgess, 44, passed away in Salisbury last night...'

Sturgess died before 10.00.pm on Sunday evening.

[BIAD]

They had him at Death's door yesterday, but...

Amesbury novichok victim Charlie Rowley conscious but 'not out of the woods yet'.

'The man who fell ill after he was exposed to the nerve agent novichok in Amesbury has made a
"small but significant improvement". Charlie Rowley is now conscious, but is in a critical but stable
condition, Salisbury District Hospital has said...'

SKY News:

And in regards of the car...

'...The BBC understands the white Audi belonged to a paramedic who had been with Ms Sturgess
in an ambulance when she fell ill. Local residents said the paramedic had told them he got bodily fluids
on him, but he had been checked over by doctors and given the "all-clear".

His car was sealed and taken away on the back of a truck...'

BBC:

[BIAD]

Wednesday, 12 days after the Amesbury incident.

Since the last posting of Mr. Charlie Rowley being conscious, the UK media hardly mentioned the couple
-who had been struck down with an unknown substance, on any of the early morning television news outlets
and it's only as we ease towards noon, that something appears.

Although, for the first time, I heard an 'influencer' from the UK think-tank Demos -during a perusal of the
morning papers for Sky, say that Novichok can now have a life-span of fifty years.
That's the first time I've heard anyone say that and I hadn't read it anywhere.

If the reader wishes to see more of the article from the BBC, it's linked below. But the main swell of the
piece seems to be making sure the nerve agent 'Novichok' was the cause by naming it at every turn.

The rest of the report goes into the blaming, the advice of not picking anything up that's found and then as
the story progresses, comments that Novichok can last up to fifity years (again?!)

Hot on the heels of this is the admittance that a link between the Skripal poisoning and this latest incident
hasn't been found.

Novichok victim Charlie Rowley speaks to police officers.

'A man who was poisoned by Novichok has spoken "briefly" to officers trying to find the source of the nerve agent,
Scotland Yard has said.

Charlie Rowley has been in hospital since falling ill in Amesbury on 30 June and is in a critical but stable condition.
It comes a day after Salisbury District Hospital confirmed the 45-year-old had regained consciousness.

Dawn Sturgess, 44, who was also exposed to Novichok, died on Sunday...'

BBC:

One must assume that now the recovering registered heroin-addict has spoken to the Police, the alleged container
that held the Russian poison will be quickly found. But don't hold your breath.

[Wallfire]

From what I have been reading, the two people that were exposed to the nerve agent often looked for things in dumpers ect for them to sell. Now if they found , lets say a perfume spray or some other kind of container they must of opened it but found it of no value so chucked it away. How many drug addicts would open a container then close it again before they chuck it away ?.  This would mean that the nerve agent would already be harmless for what I have read it does not last long exposed to the environment. 
Also from what I have read the statement about it lasting 50 years is only if the two components are not mixed or if its in a sealed container.

[BIAD]

From what I have been reading, the two people that were exposed to the nerve agent often looked for things in dumpers ect for them to sell. Now if they found , lets say a perfume spray or some other kind of container they must of opened it but found it of no value so chucked it away. How many drug addicts would open a container then close it again before they chuck it away ?.  This would mean that the nerve agent would already be harmless for what I have read it does not last long exposed to the environment. 
Also from what I have read the statement about it lasting 50 years is only if the two components are not mixed or if its in a sealed container.

That's where I am with the narrative's position, the reasonable manner the assumed activity is done
is very 'middle-class'... an assumption that someone would act with high moral standards in this
situation!!

It's similar to believing that when the deliverer of the Skripal 'poison' resealed the suggested container
for self-safety reasons, fled the scene and then deposited the capsule somewhere.
This would make obvious sense based on the assassin's wishes of self-survival.

Then along came this couple and uncovering the nerve-agent via curiosity, decided it wasn't wanted
and left the container as they found it...? How would replacing a cap assist in what they were supposed
to be doing? Tidiness in a dumpster?!

Rummaging through a dumpster, a trash can or in undergrowth, one's conduct wouldn't be to leave
everything undisturbed.
Does it mean the used cigarette-butts would be relieved of their tobacco and the filters replaced back
on the ground where Dawn Sturgess found them?!!

I'd like to suggest that if this scenario had any merit, the object that eluded Salisbury's finest law
enforcement the object was taken back to Rowley's Amesbury home and only then tampered with.
But the timeline offers that it would have to be opened twice.
Once near Sturgess on the Saturday morning and again -by Rowley, on Saturday late-afternoon.

Nobody at the Church fete was effected that took place in the afternoon and weirdly, Sam Hobson
(and possibly Pattenden) were NEVER contaminated. Maybe these two should work at Porton Down
Research Centre!

The puzzle is that this scenario would mean the 'container' would've been found in Rowley's flat
by now.

And to add more intrigue, the bus the couple rode on (Friday)...

'...It was subsequently taken to DSTL and following further scientific advice, the investigation team
also carried out forensic enquiries on the bus as they look to establish the point at which Dawn and
Charlie were contaminated with the nerve agent.
Following tests, no traces of the nerve agent have been identified on the bus."...'

Spire FM:

So using the limited information we have,  it's either they came into contact with the nerve agent at
the Queen Elizabeth Park, one of the shops they visited, their respective homes or the trash-cans they
may have looked through on the Friday.

No reports are out that the authorities have located a contaminated canister or syringe, which would
indicate the poison is still valid and dangerous to anyone coming across it. Nobody else has been admitted
to hospital with the same symptoms, so wherever Sturgess and Rowley came into contacted with this
supposed Novichok is a unique and unusual location.
...................................

Another thing is that when watching the footage of Charlie Rowley visiting the Best Local 1 shop in
Salisbury -where he doesn't live, notice how the owner monitors Rowley's activity and checks the
chiller after he's left.

The shop-owner said he knew Dawn Sturgess and Rowley and uses their first names. Yet his
behavior implies he doesn't trust them in his establishment and possibly perceives them as
shifty or guileful.

With this in mind, their need for alcohol and drugs, the need for external support of finance,
medical aid and housing, are we to accept that this couple have certain civic virtues when it
comes to trawling through trash?!
...................................

Is there anywhere on this simple map that might make you think of nerve agents, exotic poisons
and dangerous chemicals?!

[Wallfire]

Found this online, the clapping is very orchestrated but its interesting to watch. It shows what those god dam ruskies are thinking about all of this
source

[BIAD]

...Found this online, the clapping is very orchestrated but its interesting to watch.
It shows what those god dam ruskies are thinking about all of this...'

Well, they're offering the same comments we've been looking over, two drug-addicts
finding something no one else could.

Here's the latest BBC report with Charlie Rowley's brother commenting after visiting him.

'...Matthew Rowley said his brother was also angry about what had happened.
He was speaking after he visited his 45-year-old brother, who remains in intensive care in Salisbury
District Hospital after regaining consciousness earlier this week...'

'...Mr Rowley [brother] said he was made to wear a protective plastic apron, suit and gloves, and was
escorted by a police officer when he visited his brother. "He smiled when I walked in," he said.

"Now he's off life support he's eating solid food. I think that will pick him up a lot, once he gets the energy
and starts putting on weight. "He's very, very thin, but he's a fighter."

Mr Rowley said doctors had told him his brother was still in a critical condition and would probably remain
in intensive care for "quite a while". "It's hour by hour, day by day. It's fingers-crossed time."...'

SOURCE:

Sounds like Charlie had a lower dose of whatever the Government want you to think they found.

[BIAD]

Presumably because they were ordered to, the BBC seem to be the only news-outlet reporting
on the Salisbury/Amesbury incident today. Maybe someone more important than the registered
drug-addict Charlie Rowley is visiting London?

'Extraordinary level of demand' on Wiltshire Police.

'The policing minister should help with the "extraordinary level of demand" facing officers following major
incidents in Amesbury and Salisbury, Wiltshire's police commissioner said.
Angus Macpherson said he had spoken to policing minister Nick Hurd to ensure the "increased pressure"
was addressed.

The comments were made shortly before police cordoned off a road in Salisbury after a man was reported
to be ill. Officers later said there was "no concern" for the man's health.
They added there was also no "wider risk to the public".

Mr Macpherson said the resources of forces across the country were also being stretched by the US presidential
visit, the Royal International Air Tattoo and large summer events.

He said Mr Hurd had reassured him "the current approach to policing cordons, in relation to the ongoing major
incidents in Amesbury and Salisbury, is under review to help me ensure that policing services more widely across
Wiltshire and Swindon remain unaffected".

"Wiltshire Police has received great support from almost every police force across the county since the first major
incident was declared in March," he added.


"Alongside the chief constable I couldn't be more grateful for the help and support of those forces, however,
with more and more rest days being cancelled and annual leave requests being put on hold, we must now
explore a different approach."

Police cordoned off Castle Street in Salisbury at about 18:20 BST on Thursday after a man in his 30s was
reported to be ill, near the Zizzi restaurant where ex-Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia dined
before they fell ill.
It was reopened just after 21:00 BST.

On Twitter, Salisbury Police said the man had been taken to Salisbury District Hospital and was "fully assessed
by medical staff". "We understand that our initial response to the incident may have looked alarming, but we hope
you appreciate why we needed to take this highly precautionary measure," they added...'

BBC:

So, we'll take it the deadly nerve-agent container has gone back to sleep until Trump goes home?

[BIAD]

I must allay Wallfire's concerns by saying what was found may not have been one of Jean-Claude
Junker's bottles.

Fatal Novichok dose 'came from bottle' in victim's house.

'Novichok that poisoned a couple in Wiltshire came from a small bottle found in the home of one of the
victims, police say. A bottle was found in a search at Charlie Rowley's Amesbury house and was tested
by scientists at Porton Down, the Metropolitan Police said.

Mr Rowley, 45, remains in hospital in Salisbury in a serious but stable condition after falling ill on 30 June.
His partner Dawn Sturgess, 44, died last weekend.

Scientists at the Defence, Science and Technology Laboratory are still trying to establish whether the deadly
substance found at Mr Rowley's house came from the same batch of Novichok that contaminated Sergei
and Yulia Skripal in March.

Cordons remain
Police said they were still trying to find out where the bottle came from, and why it ended up in the house.
Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu, the head of UK Counter Terrorism Policing, said it was "clearly a
significant and positive development".

"However, we cannot guarantee that there isn't any more of the substance left and cordons will remain in
place for some considerable time," he added. "This is to allow thorough searches to continue as a
precautionary measure for public safety and to assist the investigation team."

A spokesman said detectives had spoken to Mr Rowley and were due to speak to him again to establish
how he and Ms Sturgess came to be contaminated. A murder inquiry was started following the death of
Ms Sturgess, a mother of three, on Sunday.

The discovery of the bottle comes as the Foreign Office announced independent chemical weapons experts
would arrive in the UK next week to assist with the investigation. Staff from the Organisation for the Prohibition
of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) will travel to the UK to independently confirm the identity of the nerve agent
which led to Ms Sturgess's death.

The samples will be analysed at "highly reputable international laboratories designated by the OPCW", a
spokesman said. The discovery of the bottle is a significant moment.

It will help reassure residents in the local area that the risks to their health have been reduced, although the
police say they cannot guarantee no more of the substance is left. And it also may provide a significant piece
of evidence in trying to establish how Dawn Sturgess and Charlie Rowley came to be poisoned -and what
link there might be with the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal.

The working assumption of police is that the bottle was a container discarded after the March poisoning.
It may now be possible to establish a scientific link by trying to match impurities in both samples of Novichok
to see if the nerve agent comes from the same batch.

Wiltshire Police Chief Constable Kier Pritchard said the discovery of the bottle was "significant and encouraging".
He said private security guards would join officers on some of the cordons from next week, as the investigation
continued. "This will free up some Wiltshire Police officers to get back to supporting day-to-day community policing,"

About 100 detectives from the Counter Terrorism Policing Network are continuing to work on the investigation,
alongside colleagues from Wiltshire Police, a spokesman said. Wiltshire Police Chief Constable Kier Pritchard
said the discovery of the bottle was "significant and encouraging".

He said private security guards would join officers on some of the cordons from next week, as the investigation
continued. "This will free up some Wiltshire Police officers to get back to supporting day-to-day community policing,"

About 100 detectives from the Counter Terrorism Policing Network are continuing to work on the investigation,
alongside colleagues from Wiltshire Police, a spokesman said.

Public Health England said the risk to the public in Salisbury and Amesbury "remains low" and no further cases of
illness linked to the incident had been seen. As a precaution members of the public are continuing to be urged to
not to pick up items such as syringes, needles, cosmetics or similar objects made of materials such as metal,
plastic or glass.

The advice remains "if you didn't drop it, then don't pick it up", a spokesman said.
Post-mortem tests on Ms Sturgess are expected to take place on Tuesday and an inquest into her death is set to
open and adjourn in Salisbury on Thursday...'

SOURCE:

Does this mean Rowley is a suspect...? The container could not be located by experts in Salisbury and
Charlie Rowley lives in Amesbury. Or am I screwing up a narrative?

[BIAD]

'...Friend Sam Hobson, 29, was with Dawn in the final hours before she fell into a coma.

The pair and Charlie spread out on a rug bought from Barnardo’s and enjoyed the sun at
Queen Elizabeth Gardens in Salisbury.

Sam, of Amesbury, said: “She was drinking in the sun and dyeing our hair to celebrate England
in the World Cup. “We had a really happy day. We never thought it would end like this.”...'

Sam Hobson was there at the park and in Rowley's flat.

'...The friends returned to Dawn’s home before catching a bus to Charlie’s ­housing association
flat in Amesbury. When Dawn collapsed and was taken to hospital on a ventilator on Saturday,
June 30, police initially feared she had come into contact with a batch of bad heroin.

But friends are adamant that although Dawn was an alcoholic and dabbled with amphetamines,
she did not take heroin or crack.
Charlie was devastated after Dawn fell ill, having lost a previous ­partner to cancer.

At Amesbury Baptist Church he prayed for her to recover just hours before he too fell into a coma.
Tests revealed they had been infected with the nerve agent on Monday evening...'

The Sun:
Ignoring the poor setting of the last sentence (implying that the couple were infected on Monday
evening and not Saturday morning)... Sam Hobson had previously said during an interview outside
of Amesbury Baptist Church:

"Er, I was with Charlie and he went to get his prescription down at the chemists and then we went
-and-got some food te' event that was at the Baptist Centre here. So we went and got some food
and then we went back to his house te' get ready to go to the hospital and he started feeling really
hot and sweaty..."

BBC: (video)

There's no mention of praying...! nothing to indicate a concern that required heavenly assistance.
Just a trip for his meds and some free food... after Dawn Sturgess was already in hopsital!

The days of subtle changes in a tragic narrative to assist political-ends are far behind us now.
Today, fantasy can double as facts

[Wallfire]

The Holes in the Official Skripal Story 771

12 Jul, 2018  in Uncategorized by craig

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In my last post I set out the official Government account of the events in the Skripal Case. Here I examine the credibility of this story. Next week I shall look at alternative explanations.

Russia has a decade long secret programme of producing and stockpiling novichok nerve agents. It also has been training agents in secret assassination techniques, and British intelligence has a copy of the Russian training manual, which includes instruction on painting nerve agent on doorknobs.

The only backing for this statement by Boris Johnson is alleged “intelligence”, and unfortunately the “intelligence” about Russia’s secret novichok programme comes from exactly the same people who brought you the intelligence about Saddam Hussein’s WMD programme, proven liars. Furthermore, the question arises why Britain has been sitting on this intelligence for a decade and doing nothing about it, including not telling the OPCW inspectors who certified Russia’s chemical weapons stocks as dismantled.
If Russia really has a professional novichok assassin training programme, why was the assassination so badly botched? Surely in a decade of development they would have discovered that the alleged method of gel on doorknob did not work? And where is the training manual which Boris Johnson claimed to possess? Having told the world – including Russia -the UK has it, what is stopping the UK from producing it, with marks that could identify the specific copy erased?

The Russians chose to use this assassination programme to target Sergei Skripal, a double agent who had been released from jail in Russia some eight years previously.

It seems remarkable that the chosen target of an attempt that would blow the existence of a secret weapon and end the cover of a decade long programme, should be nobody more prominent than a middle ranking double agent who the Russians let out of jail years ago. If they wanted him dead they could have killed him then. Furthermore the attack on him would undermine all future possible spy swaps. Putin therefore, on this reading, was willing to sacrifice both the secrecy of the novichok programme and the spy swap card just to attack Sergei Skripal. That seems highly improbable.

Only the Russians can make novichok and only the Russians had a motive to attack the Skripals.

The nub of the British government’s approach has been the shocking willingness of the corporate and state media to parrot repeatedly the lie that the nerve agent was Russian made, even after Porton Down said they could not tell where it was made and the OPCW confirmed that finding. In fact, while the Soviet Union did develop the “novichok” class of nerve agents, the programme involved scientists from all over the Soviet Union, especially Ukraine, Armenia and Georgia, as I myself learnt when I visited the newly decommissioned Nukus testing facility in Uzbekistan in 2002.
Furthermore, it was the USA who decommissioned the facility and removed equipment back to the United States. At least two key scientists from the programme moved to the United States. Formulae for several novichok have been published for over a decade. The USA, UK and Iran have definitely synthesised a number of novichok formulae and almost certainly others have done so too. Dozens of states have the ability to produce novichok, as do many sophisticated non-state actors.
As for motive, the Russian motive might be revenge, but whether that really outweighs the international opprobrium incurred just ahead of the World Cup, in which so much prestige has been invested, is unclear.
What is certainly untrue is that only Russia has a motive. The obvious motive is to attempt to blame and discredit Russia. Those who might wish to do this include Ukraine and Georgia, with both of which Russia is in territorial dispute, and those states and jihadist groups with which Russia is in conflict in Syria. The NATO military industrial complex also obviously has a plain motive for fueling tension with Russia.
There is of course the possibility that Skripal was attacked by a private gangster interest with which he was in conflict, or that the attack was linked to Skripal’s MI6 handler Pablo Miller’s work on the Orbis/Steele Russiagate dossier on Donald Trump.
Plainly, the British governments statements that only Russia had the means and only Russia had the motive, are massive lies on both counts.

The Russians had been tapping the phone of Yulia Skripal. They decided to attack Sergei Skripal while his daughter was visiting from Moscow.

In an effort to shore up the government narrative, at the time of the Amesbury attack the security services put out through Pablo Miller’s long term friend, the BBC’s Mark Urban, that the Russians “may have been” tapping Yulia Skripal’s phone, and the claim that this was strong evidence that the Russians had indeed been behind the attack.
But think this through. If that were true, then the Russians deliberately attacked at a time when Yulia was in the UK rather than when Sergei was alone. Yet no motive has been adduced for an attack on Yulia or why they would attack while Yulia was visiting – they could have painted his doorknob with less fear of discovery anytime he was alone. Furthermore, it is pretty natural that Russian intelligence would tap the phone of Yulia, and of Sergei if they could. The family of double agents are normal targets. I have no doubt in the least, from decades of experience as a British diplomat, that GCHQ have been tapping Yulia’s phone. Indeed, if tapping of phones is seriously put forward as evidence of intent to murder, the British government must be very murderous indeed.

Their trained assassin(s) painted a novichok on the doorknob of the Skripal house in the suburbs of Salisbury. Either before or after the attack, they entered a public place in the centre of Salisbury and left a sealed container of the novichok there.

The incompetence of the assassination beggars belief when compared to British claims of a long term production and training programme. The Russians built the heart of the International Space Station. They can kill an old bloke in Salisbury. Why did the Russians not know that the dose from the door handle was not fatal? Why would trained assassins leave crucial evidence lying around in a public place in Salisbury? Why would they be conducting any part of the operation with the novichok in a public area in central Salisbury?
Why did nobody see them painting the doorknob? This must have involved wearing protective gear, which would look out of place in a Salisbury suburb. With Skripal being resettled by MI6, and a former intelligence officer himself, it beggars belief that MI6 did not fit, as standard, some basic security including a security camera on his house.

The Skripals both touched the doorknob and both functioned perfectly normally for at least five hours, even able to eat and drink heartily. Then they were simultaneously and instantaneously struck down by the nerve agent, at a spot in the city centre coincidentally close to where the assassins left a sealed container of the novichok lying around. Even though the nerve agent was eight times more deadly than Sarin or VX, it did not kill the Skripals because it had been on the doorknob and affected by rain.

Why did they both touch the outside doorknob in exiting and closing the door? Why did the novichok act so very slowly, with evidently no feeling of ill health for at least five hours, and then how did it strike both down absolutely simultaneously, so that neither can call for help, despite their being different sexes, weights, ages, metabolisms and receiving random completely uncontrolled doses. The odds of that happening are virtually nil. And why was the nerve agent ultimately ineffective?

Detective Sergeant Bailey attended the Skripal house and was also poisoned by the doorknob, but more lightly. None of the other police who attended the house were affected.

Why was the Detective Sergeant affected and nobody else who attended the house, or the scene where the Skripals were found? Why was Bailey only lightly affected by this extremely deadly substance, of which a tiny amount can kill?

Four months later, Charlie Rowley and Dawn Sturgess were rooting about in public parks, possibly looking for cigarette butts, and accidentally came into contact with the sealed container of a novichok. They were poisoned and Dawn Sturgess subsequently died.

If the nerve agent had survived four months because it was in a sealed container, why has this sealed container now mysteriously disappeared again? If Rowley and Sturgess had direct contact straight from the container, why did they not both die quickly? Why had four months searching of Salisbury and a massive police, security service and military operation not found this container, if Rowley and Sturgess could?
I am, with a few simple questions, demolishing what is the most ludicrous conspiracy theory I have ever heard – the Salisbury conspiracy theory being put forward by the British government and its corporate lackies.
My next post will consider some more plausible explanations of this affair.

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[guohua]

@"Wallfire"  That article is Absolutely Correct (according to my husband). The Russians have been training with this nerve agent for many decades.

My husband asked, Does anyone remember Georgi Ivanov Markov?
Mr. G. remembers him very well. (RIP Georgi).

In 1978, Markov was killed in London by an operative connected to the KGB and Putin was a Major or Colonel in the KGB back then.
I think it was called the Umbrella Murder.

[Wallfire]

Yes I remember that murder well, professional, cleanly done and almost zero danger to other people. Makes on wonder who is behind this new attack. It seems that the Novichok attacks have been planed for the max  propaganda effect.

[guohua]

Yes I remember that murder well, professional, cleanly done and almost zero danger to other people. Makes on wonder who is behind this new attack. It seems that the Novichok attacks have been planed for the max  propaganda effect.

My husband says, This is Not The Old KGB, they knew how to kill and not bring a lot of unwanted attention to their Dark World.
The Old KGB and Their Masters didn't want to put the USSR in the News With Absolute Proof of their involvement.

That all ended in the late 90's.

Now they are no longer Professional Spies or Assassins. They are Clumsy and Arrogant. 
Also they are Amateurs now in World of Espionage. 
If it does not involve the use of a Keyboard / Software / Cell Phones or Listening Devices they are Lost.

My Husband says the Real Art Of Espionage is A Lost Art.   So sad.

[BIAD]

...In 1978, Markov was killed in London by an operative connected to the KGB and Putin was a Major or Colonel in the KGB back then.
I think it was called the Umbrella Murder.

'...KGB defectors including Oleg Kalugin and Oleg Gordievsky have confirmed that the KGB arranged the murder,
even presenting the Bulgarian assassin with alternatives such as a poisonous jelly to smear on Markov's skin,
but to this day no one has been charged with Markov's murder, largely because most documents relating to his death
were probably destroyed.

The British newspaper The Times has reported that the prime suspect is an Italian named Francesco Gullino (or Giullino)
who was last known to be living in Denmark.

A British documentary, The Umbrella Assassin (2006), interviewed people associated with the case in Bulgaria, Britain,
Denmark and America, and revealed that the prime suspect, Gullino, is alive and well, and still travelling freely throughout
Europe...'

Wikipedia

Odd that the Wiki-article mentions a jelly to smear on the skin.

Net closes in on Novichok assassins: Britain is 'close to identifying Russian spies' behind Salisbury
attack as it's claimed nerve agent that later killed a mother-of-three 'was hidden in a perfume bottle
she sprayed herself with'

*Charlie Rowley, 45, was left fighting for his life after he was exposed to Novichok 
*His partner Dawn Sturgess, 44, died after she was poisoned by the nerve agent
*Matthew Rowley said the poison was in a perfume bottle his brother picked up

'The brother of one of the Novichok poisoning victims has claimed that the nerve agent was found in a
perfume bottle, as Britain reportedly closes in on identifying the Russian spies responsible for the attack.  

Charlie Rowley, 45, was left fighting for his life in hospital after being exposed to the deadly nerve agent
in Salisbury, Wiltshire and his partner Dawn Sturgess, 44, died last Sunday following a heart attack. 

Police started a murder investigation after Ms Sturgess's death and are now said to be closing in on the
people who carried out the attack. Mr Rowley's brother Matthew said the poison had been contained in a
perfume bottle which the 45-year-old picked up, BBC News reported. 

He said Charlie Rowley was 'absolutely not the brother I know' and said he was still concerned after speaking
to his brother on the phone.  But he said his brother had started eating solid food again as he continues to be
treated at Salisbury District Hospital.

Meanwhile the New York Times reported that the Russian GRU agency is thought to be responsible for the attacks
in Salisbury. The newspaper quoted an American official as saying that Britain was 'closing in on identifying the
individuals they believe carried out the operation' although it was not ruled out that other agencies could have
been involved. 

Sergei Skripal served in the GRU, which is also cited in charges by U.S. officials related to alleged Russian
hacking in the 2016 presidential election. Police said last week they had found traces of the nerve agent in a
small bottle in the Amesbury home of Mr Rowley.

Experts are trying to determine whether the Novichok that poisoned them was from the same batch used in
the attempted murder of Sergei and Yulia Skripal. Earlier it was reported that Charlie Rowley's first words when
he woke from a coma were 'They killed my girlfriend, They killed my girlfriend!'

Search teams investigating the poisoning have recovered more than 400 exhibits, samples and items -with police
warning that searches could last months. Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu, national lead for Counter Terrorism
Policing in the UK, described the process as 'painstaking and vital work'.

Counter-terror detectives are trying to establish where the bottle came from and how it came to be in Mr Rowley's
home. The UK has invited experts from the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) to
independently confirm the identity of the nerve agent. 

A post-mortem for Ms Sturgess is scheduled to take place on Tuesday and an inquest into her death is set to open
and adjourn in Salisbury on Thursday...'

SOURCE:

[guohua]

@"BIAD" 
Correct, the Poisonous Jelly mentioned was used and Very Effective, but, could be dangerous to the person doing the appling.

Mr. G. states, the application is normally with a Gloved Hand or Partially Gloved Finger or Thick Napkin or Cloth.
You could smear the jelly on any object your Victim would make Skin Contact With in 24 or less hours.
The Very Best and to Assure a kill is to make Skin Contact with your Victim yourself.
For the quickest results, using a Gloved Hand or Protected Finger and a small thin layer of the Jelly, Brush or Touch the Victims Neck (the side of the neck is best) or Trip Your Victim and Grab Their Bare Under Arm or Arm Above The Elbow or Bare Wrist.

Direct Contact us always best, most Victims knew they were being Targeted or would be Paranoid and always wore Gloves and long Sleeves.
My Husband said, you had to be patient and watch for the perfect opportunity and be prepared to act in an instant when using the Jelly Form.

My Husband just paused and I seen him Smile and he Nodded his head then walked off for more coffee.
The Umbrella was very effective

[BIAD]

...My Husband just paused and I seen him Smile and he Nodded his head then walked off for more coffee.
The Umbrella was very effective

I believe I'm correct when I say that Mr. G's cup of coffee has more sense
than the 'investigative' media, Police and MOD experts we have over here!


Thanks.

(By the way, what about effects on the applier via breathing the substance before
contact?)

[guohua]

...My Husband just paused and I seen him Smile and he Nodded his head then walked off for more coffee.
The Umbrella was very effective

I believe I'm correct when I say that Mr. G's cup of coffee has more sense
than the 'investigative' media, Police and MOD experts we have over here!


Thanks.

(By the way, what about effects on the applier via breathing the substance before
contact?)

Yes, Mr. G. Likes His Coffee,,,, sometimes a Little Sweat     

The Jelly has no real smell and Mr. G. just said, you'd have to actually deeply inhale to be affected, Do Not make skin contact on yourself, If You Do,  Wellll, Kiss Your Ass Goodbye!
You'll suffer from a Very High Fever and Internal Bleeding and Die in two or three days, like your victim. 
Mr. G. says, Don't be in a Hurry and Don't Be Stupid, Plan ahead and Know Your Targets Body Movements and pick a Crowded or Congested place, to make your exit from the victim, that makes it harder to remember what you looked like or what you were wareing.

[BIAD]

 
...Mr. G. says, Don't be in a Hurry and Don't Be Stupid, Plan ahead and Know Your Targets Body Movements
and pick a Crowded or Congested place, to make your exit from the victim, that makes it harder to remember
what you looked like or what you were wearing.

So in theory, the Skripals may have been infected in the restaurant, the public house before the meal
or anywhere on the walkway known as 'The Maltings'! Even the park where they sat.

Thanks.

[guohua]

 
...Mr. G. says, Don't be in a Hurry and Don't Be Stupid, Plan ahead and Know Your Targets Body Movements
and pick a Crowded or Congested place, to make your exit from the victim, that makes it harder to remember
what you looked like or what you were wearing.

So in theory, the Skripals may have been infected in the restaurant, the public house before the meal
or anywhere on the walkway known as 'The Maltings'! Even the park where they sat.

Thanks.

Mr. G. Here.
YES!
This would have been my choice of Contact Areas.
A Museum or Public Bathroom is better than a Restaurant.
In a restaurant, I've noticed that someone is always looking or watching people coming and going.
You'd have to have paid for your meal (cash) and then made contact with your victim before leaving, that is Awkward, because if you trip your victim or brush against them ruffly, someone will take notice and stare.
Also, most cash registers have cameras, not an ideal place.

A jogging area or dog park, crowded street while window shopping even a newspaper or magazine stand.