Well if anything from Enoch is even remotely true, we have the fallen angels to thank for everything from astronomy to big fucking bombs. 

And every time I see a kid shot in the face for "mysterious reasons" (seemingly ever damn day now)  yet bible verse fellas that don't see fit to quarantine menstruating women...you know...because the bible said so...I tend to hold said verses a little bit lower than scrotum hair and Chapstick...useless 

The same God that apparently brought down the walls of Jericho can't stop a kid from slaughtering other kids? Pretty powerful diety if you ask me.   Well worthy of my praise.

And yes, people reply with some dribble about going to hell now, it is what it is. Any God that sends innocent and lovely people to their slaughter isn't a God at all. They are an idea, and a rudimentary one at best.

(11-14-2017, 10:31 PM)BIAD Wrote:

(11-14-2017, 08:47 PM)dadmansabode Wrote: lol ... someone wanna discuss the doctrinal heresy of the Roman Catholic Church ??

That -my friend, is one difficult quagmire to wade in!

Faith can be the capstone for a fulfilling life.

But here's some.
The Catholic church is the one true church.

The Communion elements become the actual body and blood of Christ.
The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation.
Infallibility of the Catholic Church.

The Pope is the head of the church and has the authority of Christ.
Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church.
Mary.
The merit of Mary and the Saints can be applied to Catholics and others.

Sacred Tradition equal to scripture.
Forgiveness of sins, salvation, is by faith and works.
Grace can be merited.
Indulgences.
Penance is necessary for salvation.
Prayer to the saints.
Purgatory.

wow !!! ... there's that freakn list ..... so sad to see how many people are trapped by this (un-Biblical) religious system ... my entire family has the influence of this so-called "church" ... most of them don't believe in God and are totally hostile to the actual Biblical salvation message ... I guess I see the RCC as a magnet for the religious unsaved ... sometimes God allows these things to happen according to his sovereign plan .... false religion will indeed have its heyday as we enter the final 7 years of this dispensation

In the midst of the Tribulation period there shall rise up two great world leaders .. one a political leader inspired by Satan himself .. the other religious leader to deceive the people with strong delusions and either lead them or force them to worship the anti-christ as the long expected world-ruler .. these two Satanic deceivers shall prevail upon all except those who risk all to boldly acknowledge their belief in the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world . . . . Rev 13:8 salvation in the great tribulation is still based on the blood of Jesus Christ .. those who are then saved .. however .. must boldly confess their faith before a world of hostile witnesses .. which will mean nothing short of martyrdom .. except to those few sealed in Israel .. may God help every reader of these words to make sure their calling and election while the days of grace are still lasting .... gty.org

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05-16-2017 .. 500,000 People Watch Pope Francis Create Two Child Saints Who Spoke With Demons In Fatima Vision (All believers are saints: Eph 5:3) 
03-21-2017 .. Pope Francis Says All Major Religions Are Paths To Same God 
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03-10-2017 .. The Dark Secrets Of The Catholic Church Are Starting To Come Out 
03-03-2017 .. Massive Infanticide Revealed at Irish Catholic Home for Children 
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02-21-2017 .. Catholic answers ? 
02-20-2017 .. Catholic priests in the Philippines accused of sexual assault 
02-18-2017 .. Pope Francis: ‘Muslim Terrorism Does Not Exist’ 
02-16-2017 .. Catholic Church paid $276m to abuse victims in Australia 
02-16-2017 .. Roman Catholic Group Requests ‘Pope Francis’ Refer to Mary as ‘Co-Redemptrix With Jesus’ 
01-14-2017 .. Constantine's reign as Roman emperor (A.D. 306-337) dramatically changed the World


I would deliver this for DuckforcoveR

(11-14-2017, 08:47 PM)dadmansabode Wrote: lol ... someone wanna discuss the doctrinal heresy of the Roman Catholic Church ??



From the frying pan to the fire

Sure, why not?

I'm not real big on religious catchphrases like "doctrinal heresy", but from what I've seen Catholics have a lot of gall calling themselves "christians"... but, then again, so do most of the Protestant churches I've been to.

The problem is, in both cases their doctrines take a pretty wide departure from what the bible actually teaches.

"God is love"... that right there is some thick bullshit. God is God. Love is love. "Christians" are confused. There is a light in my car that says "the door is ajar" when it's open, and I know damned good and well the door is a door, and not a jar at all. It won't even hold rain water, much less good home made whiskey! Still, some of them churches preach "God is love", when that is demonstrably false, just as false as my car door being a glass container for jams and jellies.

God "loved Jacob, but hated Esau" - now how can "love" hate?

It's serious discrepancies like that that let me know unequivocally that most "christian" doctrines have no basis in the bible at all. They are the reasons that, although I follow Jesus and read the bible, I steadfastly refuse to call myself a "christian" - I don't want to be associated with the charlatans who DO.

I don't care whether those charlatans call themselves "Catholics" or "Protestants" - charlatans are charlatans, and I care nary a bit how they want to grade themselves out.

How's that for starters?

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(11-14-2017, 11:00 PM)BIAD Wrote:

(11-14-2017, 10:55 PM)guohua Wrote: Balance on the Water barrel!!!??????   I Want A Picture Next Time!!

No.. seriously, you don't!


He was trying to look over a fence at a sun-bathing neighbour and his body positioning to attempt that,
ruined my own garden enjoyment. Not exactly 'Mel's Hole', but I hope you get the idea!

I second that - you really, REALLY don't want to see such a sight! I know from experience. Some things can never, ever be unseen once seen, and I've seen such antics from BIAD as his balancing on a picket fence and walking along the strakes. When his balance shifts, and that leg flies out to the side to regain it... good grief!

I still am wracked by nightmares...

(11-14-2017, 11:06 PM)dadmansabode Wrote:

Quote:I've always thought and this includes my own beliefs (Buddhist) that religion is nothing more than an organization requiring money to support itself and Control Over The Masses To keep That Money Flowing In. 

Indeed it can be ... hint the RCC .. however, there are two entities that run side-by-side ... 
the true Bride of Christ and the Satanic perversion of the Bride (Rev 17) ... many bewildered and confused < Satan's MO
The scripture indeed sorts these out .... the sheep and the goats / the wheat and the chaff / the left and the right

The important takeaway here is that it's not important that "the scriptures" sorts them out, but the important thing is it ought to be teaching it's READERS how to make that distinction. Sadly, most don't get that lesson from it. Instead, they go along and pick out the parts that they want to believe, and discard the rest. Because of that, most "christians" are utterly and completely unable to separate the sheep from the goats - they lack the ability to realize that they ARE goats.

At my age, I've been to a lot of churches over the years, both Catholic and Protestant, and have found exactly ONE, way back when, that actually taught what the bible says, and didn't shy away from integrating the difficult parts into their theology. They discarded nothing, and are to be commended for it.

That church, as far as I know, is no more. the building is still there, and has services every day it's supposed to, but the theology has changed to an unrecognizable mishmash of what the parishioners want to hear, and what the preacher wants them to believe.

The "Bride of Christ" you speak of is not, nor ever will be, found within the confines of a church - not "church" in the modern sense of the word, anyhow. It's not confined to a single religion, and definitely not a set of "doctrines" - that would be like trying to confine God it's self to a set of "doctrines", and we most certainly don't write policy for God in the form of "doctrines", "doctrinal statements" or "confessions of faith".

God, a real god, will not allow itself to be confined or constrained by the pronouncements of mere humans. That's not a real problem, though, because most of them are distracted from God anyhow, busy whacking each other over "doctrines" rather than chasing after God.


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(11-15-2017, 08:00 AM)Ninurta Wrote: I second that - you really, REALLY don't want to see such a sight! I know from experience.
Some things can never, ever be unseen once seen, and I've seen such antics from BIAD as his balancing
on a picket fence and walking along the stakes.
When his balance shifts, and that leg flies out to the side to regain it... good grief!

I still am wracked by nightmares...

That is something Boy In A Dress often laments.
In his words:
"...It was quite an ordeal for this 'rough-and-ready' gentleman to assist me during our adventures.
But through those tribulations, I did attempt to repay his kindness for enduring the glimpses
over my under-carriage.

I firmly believe that now, when Ninurta aims that terrible pistol at someone, he no longer
contemplates a mere head-shot, but seriously dwells on bringing the fleeing miscreant down with
a less-cruel debilitating aim..."

I have congratulated BIAD on his reasoning and his desire to help -a person who was unfairly
branded a 'curmudgeon' by some, Ninurta is always willing to see a more reasonable side.

Our discussion was only slightly-marred when I asked the Man-Girl to be specific in his statement.
"...Well, after his assumed contemplation, Ninurta would always aim for the head"

(11-15-2017, 05:34 AM)dadmansabode Wrote: wow !!! ... there's that freakn list ..... so sad to see how many people are trapped by this (un-Biblical)
religious system ... my entire family has the influence of this so-called "church" ... most of them don't
believe in God and are totally hostile to the actual Biblical salvation message ...

I guess I see the RCC as a magnet for the religious unsaved ... sometimes God allows these things to
happen according to his sovereign plan .... false religion will indeed have its heyday as we enter the
final 7 years of this dispensation

Well, the sun goes somewhere on a night and we can sleep easier in our caves if we know that someone
up there will be kind enough to bring it back in the morning. That is, if we say thank-you enough and say it
on our knees!

The control through ritual is many-faceted. It creates a feeling of order, of an idea that your God is close to you
and grants boons for your worship. To serve is a condescending 'trick' to make the masses conform in assistance
maintaining a malleable society. It can be debated whether this is a negative ploy, although it is still using fear no
matter how it's looked at.

Religion also means shared-accountability. Through instruction from the voices/written documentation of a particular
deity -the Elders or Priests, advise a person what to do and be rewarded by means laid out in a core-doctrine.
Ideally for the reward to be ultimate, that person needs to be dead.

Do good and your God gives you immortality and gratification, do bad and you're punished.
The person judges his/her behavior in life, Deity judges in death.

The trappings set the Priests seperate from the congregation and ergo, a type of 'earthly-deity'
The position of Pope or 'Father' holds the keys and the power to heaven, a door in human-form to a place where
the harsh realities of this world do not exist.
Such a responsibility demands gold and silver, reverence and fine clothes.

The days of wondering if the daylight will return, now resides in the structure of a religion.
In a way, our prayers use the sentients-of-a-faith to reach the ears of a God and surely... surely, these important
humans can occasionally trangress pious instruction and screw a cherub-faced choir-boy?

We've created an ideal that here on the blue planet, we fail miserably to live-up to.
But faith is the string that holds the carrot.
Amen!

When I was growing up I attended three different denominations of churches. All of these different denominations had slightly different beliefs, and each one taught that their belief was "right" and everyone else was "wrong". I was confused as to what to believe, as you can imagine! I thought, 'Well, they can't all be right, as they claim, and have such totally different beliefs'.

Did you know the Bible has been translated 26 times since the original written scriptures? In all those translations I find it hard to believe that "man" didn't mis-interpret something. So, I decided I would just read the Bible and research on my own, and see what God had to say to me without any human "twists" being put on the scriptures by a preacher.  I've been shown a lot since the beginning of my journey.


I started researching every religion and spiritual belief I could get my hands on, and just letting God tell me what the "truth" is.

Back when Christianity was first formed from the teachings of Jesus there were many different interpretations of it going on in different parts of that country. When Emperor Constantine came into power he decided he only wanted ONE teaching being taught so everyone would have the same belief, and it would stop any type of religious uprising/war. So he did away with some of the teachings and books written by the disciples. He and the Council of Nicea got together and decided which books to put in the Bible that would be used then, and for future generations to come, and which books to leave out.  https://www.gotquestions.org/Constantine-Bible.html

There are books that contain Jesus' teachings that never made it into The Hebrew Bible we use today, but none the less, they are still teachings from Jesus. Jesus also shared some knowledge with his disciples that he told them not to reveal to the public. And he said there was more that would be revealed later. I believe "later" has arrived (actually, several decades ago).

Okay, having said that, let me say that some of the books that never made it into the Bible contained information about reincarnation. But, oops..... some verses slipped through in the books that got selected for our Bible that back-up reincarnation:
The 9th chapter of John tells the story of a man who was born blind. The disciples asked Jesus, "Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?"
In other words, the disciples acknowledged the possibility that being born blind might be this man's punishment for sins he committed. But since he was born blind, when could he have had time to sin unless it was in a previous life?

Also, in Matthew 17 Jesus was talking to Peter, James, and John and said, "Elijah does come, and he is to restore all things; but I tell you that Elijah has already come, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they pleased." Verse 13 reads, "Then the disciples understood that he was speaking to them of John the Baptist.
In one of his other incarnations Elijah was very widely recognized as being Elijah. So obviously, if a time came when "they did not know him," it was in a different incarnation, which the disciples understood to be John the Baptist, who was beheaded by King Herod. This is the clear example of "did to him whatever they pleased".

Also, when Jesus said, "Ye must be born again of the spirit to enter the kingdom of heaven", I think that is EXACTLY what he meant! Of course man has put his own spin on the meaning of this, too.  Being "born again" (reincarnation) to enter the "kingdom of heaven".  The kingdom of heaven is in the heart of man.


Since the 1970's there have been many psychiatrists doing regressive hypnosis on people trying to find a childhood explanation for some of their client's problems. Unexpectedly, some of the clients went back even further to a previous life time, and described it in full detail giving their names in that life, dates, and where they lived. Their details checked out to be true. There have been thousands and thousands of these studies done by different psychiatrists since the first time it was revealed, and they have all had the same results. (I've probably read all the books!)

Some scientists argue it is "cell memory" that was passed to us by our ancestors that gives us memories of past lives. I disagree.
Here's why... 
In one case study, I read about this person who remembered a past life as a woman that didn't have any children; she remembered more lives prior to, and after that one. If it was cell memory, she wouldn't have been able to remember the life of the woman with no children because there was nobody to pass the cell memory to concerning that lifetime.

So many people have been helped with current phobias, fears, and other problems by revealing the root of their problem actually occurred in a past life. Once the clients "remember" this, they understand they carried that particular fear or health problem over into this life, and they really don't need to hang on to it now.... they let it go. They're cured!

Have you ever just met someone, and automatically felt so comfortable with them; like you've known them all your life? Or, maybe you knew that you didn't like this person before they even opened their mouth? These are people we've known in past lives, and when we meet them in this life we get these "feelings" about them based on how we got along with them in a past life.
Or, have you ever felt you've visited (or lived in) a certain place before, but know that you haven't? I believe that is a past-life memory bleeding through.

Do you really think God could justify it as being fair to allow some people to be born with major physical or mental challenges, while others aren't?

And, what about the person who lives a terrible life up to the ripe old age of 89, then "gets saved" just before he dies, while a younger person dies at the age of 18 before they've "made it right with God"? Their time here was unfairly shorter!

What about the person who is born into a family with a silver spoon, while others are born into poverty and have to struggle and sacrifice all their lives just to get a scrap of food? Does this really seem fair to you? Forget what you've been taught by the "church" .... I'm asking YOU. Does this seem like a "FAIR AND JUST GOD" to YOU?

Here's PART of "what I believe":

I believe we come here over the course of many life times to learn new lessons for spiritual growth during each of these life times.


I believe we carry a "spark" of God in our heart, and this is where the "kingdom of heaven" is; in our hearts.

I believe we can continue to choose to come back to Earth as long as there are lessons we want/need to learn, or we can choose not to come back if we feel there is no more spiritual advancement for us here. Although, some spirits (people) come back just to help other people reach a higher level of spiritual awareness; they come to teach us.

I believe there will be an "end of time", and "judgment day" because the Bible says it. However, I think "end of time" refers to when we die. There is no time outside of this reality, I know... I have experienced it.  Don't ask.
"Judgement Day" refers to when we do our life review after we leave the physical body and decide if there are more lessons we need to learn, in my opinion.

I believe that religion is like a big tree: Our roots come from the same place, but along the journey many different branches (paths) were formed. But, the bottom line is, every branch is reaching toward the same goal: GOD, the Creator of All.
Each branch is just on a different pathway to reach Him. And, even though God may have many different names used by the people in these religious branches, He is still the same ONE... "The Creator" that each branch prays to and seeks during their spiritual journey. I don't think any certain religion is "right" or "wrong".............. just "different" in their path to find God. However, I don't think highly of the Catholic Church at all!

There... that's what I believe.

Some of Jesus' teachings actually take on more (and new) meaning when a person applies the belief of reincarnation to their belief system. For example, being that we are all here to learn different lessons, we should "judge not, lest we be judged". We don't have a clue as to what the lesson is that person is here to learn. 

I could go on and on about all this, but these are revelations that have taken a whole life time to get me to my current belief system, so I don't have enough time to tell you everything I've been shown about reincarnation.... sorry.
I can tell you it took many, many years of reading, and praying for only the truth to be revealed to me before I reached the point of saying, "Yes, okay, here is the proof I've been praying for!" It's really hard to accept something that hasn't been taught in the "church" using years and years of what I call "brainwashing", but I do accept it as truth now.


If you would like to research reincarnation further, you should read the book, Life Without Guilt, by Hazel M. Denning, Ph.D. It is an excellent book on the topic if you are ready to expand your knowledge on the subject. I have read hundreds of books on this topic and this is a good one for beginners.

As you advance in your studies, these are my best recommendations:

https://www.amazon.com/Many-Lives-Master...+afterlife

https://www.amazon.com/Journey-Souls-Stu...+afterlife

There are all kinds of books on this subject at Amazon, or the book store of your choice.

Quote:If you would like to research reincarnation further,

@"Mystic Wanderer" 

I've been here so many times and I'm Sure,,,,, I'm Older Than Dirt,,,,,,,,, No Research Needed,,,, I'm waiting to see what I come back this next time as 

(11-16-2017, 05:55 AM)guohua Wrote:

Quote:If you would like to research reincarnation further,

@"Mystic Wanderer" 

I've been here so many times and I'm Sure,,,,, I'm Older Than Dirt,,,,,,,,, No Research Needed,,,, I'm waiting to see what I come back this next time as 

Yes, Ms. @"guohua", I know you already know; I was speaking to the general public. :smallwink:

If I have anything to say about it, and I'm sure I do, I won't be coming back to this hell hole next time!

I've heard some people say that their spirit guides told them anyone who comes to Earth gets major brownie points in the spirit world because this is such a tough planet to endure.  I think the life I've led this time around should have burned off any bad karma.  I've faced many challenges and emotional upsets, but always came out on the other side a survivor/winner.  I believe I'm ready to advance to the next level.   

Welllllllllll, OK, Then,, Here is the Start of another God, yes made by man for Money!

Surprise, Surprise!

Yes it has always been about Control and Money.

Quote:Ex-Google exec on his artificial intelligence church: What is created ‘will effectively be a god’

Yes and it's Tax Exempted.

Quote:Anthony Levandowski, a former Google executive, has plans to create an entire religion — complete with a physical place of worship — based on artificial intelligence.
Sorry, what?
According to an interview published on Thursday in Wired titled, “Inside the First Church of Artificial Intelligence,” Levandowski discusses the concept, which he’s dubbed “Way of the Future.”

Great Future,,, Huh?

Quote:The gospel of the religion would be called “The Manual,” and Levandowski forsees building a physical place of worship for parishioners to worship the religion’s deity — artificial intelligence.


Wired reported that Levandowski is so intent on cultivating the religion that he and others have gone as far as to file paperwork with the IRS in order to solidify plans for the organization.

Levandowski himself would, of course, be leader — or in this case “dean” — of the religion.

According to Wired, the religion’s activities will focus on “the realization, acceptance, and worship of a Godhead based on Artificial Intelligence (AI) developed through computer hardware and software.”

The church will perform outreach to AI industry leaders and professionals to network with those “who are interested in the worship of a Godhead based on AI.”

Yes, The Money Scam,,, Pay,,,, to be part of the Network of God!

Quote:“What is going to be created will effectively be a god,” he said. “It’s not a god in the sense that it makes lightning or causes hurricanes. But if there is something a billion times smarter than the smartest human, what else are you going to call it?”

He added, “I would love for the machine to see us as its beloved elders that it respects and takes care of. We would want this intelligence to say, ‘Humans should still have rights, even though I’m in charge.'”
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