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  A Grand Welcome To MetalThunder and SlowFizz!
Posted by: BIAD - 12-11-2020, 08:26 PM - Forum: Rogue's Lobby - Replies (12)

Hi there and I'd like to welcome you to our website.

For my small part, I tend to make avatars for newcomers and so, I'm happy
to offer my services with any ideas from yourselves on what you'd like.

Browse the threads and enjoy yourself!
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  [England] The Grooming Clear-out? I Think Not.
Posted by: BIAD - 12-11-2020, 12:06 PM - Forum: Europe - Replies (19)

The Daily Mail reported that a lot of men in the West Yorkshire region of England were being held accountable
in a Magistrates Court yesterday (10th Dec) for something that is sadly built-into the culture of that area.

For decades, this behaviour has occurred and continues to this day. I've written about and posted the reports
here at Rogue Nation almost as the same amount of spammers we've deleted here on the site and one has to
wonder if such diligence had been done by the Yorkshire Police, these crimes may have been thwarted to some
extent.

Here's the commentary-stifled article and there's something about it that seems a recurring theme... but I just
can't put my finger on it.
tinyhuh



Quote:Police charge 32 men from West Yorkshire with more than 150 child sex offences against
eight teenage girls as young as 13

*The defendants all largely from the Kirklees area of West Yorkshire, police said
*Offences allegedly took place between 1999 and 2012 against girls aged 13-16
*Some victims were also subjected to offences when they were young adults

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'The Force' HQ.

'Police have charged 32 men in West Yorkshire with more than 150 child sex offences against eight teenage girls.
The allegations against the defendants, all largely from the Kirklees area, are from 1999 to 2012 and involve offences
allegedly committed against the female victims, who were aged between 13 and 16 years old at the time.

Some of the victims were also subjected to offences when they were young adults.
Locations in which the alleged offending took place include parts of Kirklees, Bradford and Wakefield.

The men are due appear at Kirklees Magistrates Court on December 11 and 14.

Those charged are:

Asif Ali (50) of Batley charged with rape offences (x12), inciting sexual activity with a child (x2),
supply class B drugs (X1), trafficking (X1), aiding and abetting rape (x1) assisting in the commission
of an indictable offence (x1) making an indecent photo of a child (x2), possession of extreme
pornographic images (x1). He has been bailed to appear at Kirklees Magistrates Court at 2pm on 11/12/20.

Amer Ali Hussain (42) of Batley charged with rape (x2) and bailed to appear at Kirklees Magistrates Court at 2pm on
11/12/20.

Sarfraz Miraf – (45) of Dewsbury charged with rape offences (x1). He has been bailed to appear at Kirklees Magistrates
Court at 3pm on 11/12/20

Nazam Hussain – (43) of Dewsbury, charged with rape offences (x4) and bailed to appear at Kirklees Magistrates Court
at 3pm on 11/12/20 and 3pm on 14/12/20.

Mohammed Nazam Nasser (35) of Batley, charged with rape offences (x3). Bailed to appear at Kirklees Magistrates
Court at 3pm on 11/12/20.

Moshin Nadat (35) from Batley, served with a postal requisition for rape offences (x2) to appear at Kirklees magistrates
Court at 2pm on 11/12/20.

Michael Birkenshaw (34) from Wakefield served with a postal requisition for rape (x1) and he is due to appear at court at
12pm on 11/12/20.

Zafar Qayum (41) from Dewsbury charged with rape offences ( x17), gross indecency ( x4), indecent assault ( x9) assault
( X1) sexual activity with a child (x1) sexual assault (x1) theft (x1) and aiding and abetting rape (x2).
He was bailed to Kirklees Magistrates Court at 2pm on 14/12/20

Jabbar Qayum (39) from Dewsbury, charged with rape offences (x6) and aiding and abetting rape (x2). Bailed to Kirklees
Magistrates Court at 2pm on 14/12/20

Ansar Mahmood Qayum (43) from Dewsbury. Charged with rape offences (x13), attempted indecent assault (x2), aiding
and abetting rape (x2). Bailed to Kirklees Magistrates Court at 2pm on 14/12/20.

Mohammed Tauseef Hanif (36) from Dewsbury. Charged with rape offences ( x4) Bailed to Kirklees Magistrates Court at
3pm on 14/12/20

Ali Hussain Shah (35) from Dewsbury. Served with a postal requisition for rape offences (x2) to appear at Kirklees
Magistrates on 11/12/20 at 2pm.

Saleem Mohammed Nasir (44) from Dewsbury. Charged with rape offences (x3) and conspiracy to rape (x1).
Bailed to Kirklees magistrates Court appearing at 10am on 11/12/20

Amran Mehrban (37) from Batley. Charged with rape offences (x2), false imprisonment (x1) and sexual assault (x1) and
bailed to Kirklees magistrates Court 10am on 11/12/20

Ebrahim Pandor (41) from Dewsbury. Charged with rape offences (x1) and trafficking (x2) and bailed to Kirklees
Magistrates Court 12pm on 11/12/20

Shakil Daji (41) from Batley. Charged with rape offences (x2) and trafficking (x1) and bailed to Kirklees Magistrates Court
12pm on 11/12/20.

Mohammed Imran Zada (41) from Batley. Served with a postal requisition for rape offences (x6), indecent assault ( x2)
and sexual activity with a child (x1) to appear at Kirklees Magistrates Court at 10am on 11/12/20.

Sarkaut Yasen (35) from Dewsbury. Charged with trafficking (x1) and aiding and abetting rape (x2). Bailed to Kirklees
Magistrates Court 11am on 11/12/20

Amjad Hussain (41) from Dewsbury. Charged with rape offences ( x2). Bailed to Kirklees Magistrates Court 10am on 11/12/20

Asuk Hussain (50) from Dewsbury. Charged with rape (x2) and bailed to appear at Kirklees Magistrates Court at 10am on 14/12/20

Zafar Iqbal (35) from Batley. Charged with rape offences (x7) trafficking (x2) and supplying a Class B drug (x1) and bailed to
appear at Kirklees Magistrates Court at 12pm on 14/12/20

Nasar Iqbal (35) from Batley. Charged with rape offences (x7) and trafficking (x2) and bailed to appear at Kirklees Magistrates
Court at 12pm on 14/12/20

Bilal Mahmood Patel (38) from Leicester. Charged with rape offences (x2) and bailed to appear at Kirklees Magistrates Court at
12pm on 14/12/20.

Khurum Raziq (38) from Heckmondwike. Served with a postal requisition for rape offences (x8) and due to appear at Kirklees
Magistrates Court at 10am on 14/12/20

Irfan Khan (34) from Batley. Served with a postal requisition for rape offences (x4) threats to kill (x1) false imprisonment (x1)
and harassment (x1) to appear at Kirklees Magistrates Court at 11am on 11/12/20

Omar Farooq Hussain (36) from Dewsbury. Charged with rape offences (x8) supplying class A drugs (x1) and bailed to Kirklees
Magistrates Court at 11am on 14/12/20

Sarfraz Hussain Riaz (37) from Liversedge. Charged with rape offences (x2) and attempted rape ( x1) and bailed to Kirklees
Magistrates Court at 11am on 14/12/20.

Rameez Cheema (33) from Batley. Charged with rape offences (x1) and bailed to Kirklees Magistrates Court at 11am on 14/12/20

Nasar Hussain (42) from Dewsbury. Charged with rape offences (x6) and bailed to Kirklees Magistrates Court at 10am on 14/12/20.

Mohammed Chothia (41) from Batley. Served with a postal requisition for rape offences (x8) to appear at Kirklees Magistrates
Court at 12pm on 14/12/20

Sajad Hussain (37) from Batley. Served with a postal requisition for rape offences (x1), false imprisonment (x1) trafficking (x1),
aiding and abetting rape (x1) and supplying Class C drugs (x1) to appear at Kirklees Magistrates Court at 11am on 11/12/20

Yasser Ali (31) from Dewsbury. Served with a postal requisition for rape offences (x2) to appear at Kirklees Magistrates Court
at Kirklees Magistrates Court on 14/12/20 at 11am.
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  ATS is for sale, get ready for the surge
Posted by: beez - 12-11-2020, 03:30 AM - Forum: Off Topic - Replies (34)

Like the title says, ATS, the owners have gone open wide and they're offering ATS up.

tinybighuh tinyhuh tinylaughing


I've got 3 nickels and a piece of gum to offer, but I don't think they'll go for it.

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Shocked Joe Biden Chooses Susan Rice to Run White House Domestic Policy Council
Posted by: xuenchen - 12-10-2020, 11:47 PM - Forum: Political News and more - Replies (2)

Oh Boy-0-Boy-0Boy !!

Looks like Joey Big Guy has chosen Susan Rice for his Domestic Policy Council Leader !!

You remember her right?

She's the one the Obama/Hillary bungheads picked to take heat for the Benghazi boondoggle !!

She's the one who feverously unmasked Michael Flynn too !!

Apparently this "position" requires no Senate confirmation !!

Jao bai Dun seems to be recalling as many xOBAMA bungheads as possible roflmao what could possibly go wrong ?

She's been sniffing around the MSM lately as if she knew she would be "re-selected" 

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Quote:Former Vice President Joe Biden announced Thursday he would bring former National Security Advisor Susan Rice back to the White House to head the Domestic Policy Council.

Biden’s decision is puzzling, as Rice’s entire political career was focused on national security.

As the National Security advisor for former President Barack Obama, Rice was a prominent figure in the effort to cover up the 2012 terrorist attack on an American consulate in Benghazi as a “spontaneous” protest against a YouTube video.


LINK-->  Joe Biden Chooses Susan Rice to Run White House Domestic Policy Council


Flashback ..... it was a vicious video !!!!

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  Honey Traps and China
Posted by: 727Sky - 12-10-2020, 12:34 AM - Forum: Off Topic - Replies (4)

How deep has China infiltrated our government ? How many people in government have and do they control..?
https://www.foxnews.com/media/eric-swalw...hinese-spy

https://rumble.com/vbob1d-our-elite-have...china.html

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  No Privacy, No Property: The World in 2030 According to the WEF
Posted by: 727Sky - 12-09-2020, 11:13 PM - Forum: Political News and more - Replies (12)

https://www.activistpost.com/2020/12/no-...e-wef.html

Quote:[Image: collectivist-policies-1024x550-1.jpg]By Antony P. Mueller
The World Economic Forum (WEF) was founded fifty years ago. It has gained more and more prominence over the decades and has become one of the leading platforms of futuristic thinking and planning. As a meeting place of the global elite, the WEF brings together the leaders in business and politics along with a few selected intellectuals. The main thrust of the forum is global control. Free markets and individual choice do not stand as the top values, but state interventionism and collectivism. Individual liberty and private property are to disappear from this planet until 2030 according to the projections and scenarios coming from the World Economic Forum.
Eight Predictions
Individual liberty is at risk again. What may lie ahead was projected in November 2016 when the WEF published “8 Predictions for the World in 2030.” According to the WEF’s scenario, the world will become quite a different place from now because how people work and live will undergo a profound change. The scenario for the world 2030 is more than just a forecast. It is a plan whose implementation has accelerated drastically since with the announcement of a pandemic and the consequent lockdowns.

According to the projections of the WEF’s “Global Future Councils,” private property and privacy will be abolished during the next decade. The coming expropriation would go further than even the communist demand to abolish the property of production goods but leave space for private possessions. The WEF projection says that consumer goods, too, would be no longer private property.
If the WEF projection should come true, people would have to rent and borrow their necessities from the state, which would be the sole proprietor of all goods. The supply of goods would be rationed in line with a social credit points system. Shopping in the traditional sense would disappear along with the private purchases of goods. Every personal move would be tracked electronically, and all production would be subject to the requirements of clean energy and a sustainable environment.
In order to attain “sustainable agriculture,” the food supply will be mainly vegetarian. In the new totalitarian service economy, the government will provide basic accommodation, food, and transport, while the rest must be lent from the state. The use of natural resources will be brought down to its minimum. In cooperation with the few key countries, a global agency would set the price of CO2 emissions at an extremely high level to disincentivize its use.
In a promotional video, the World Economic Forum summarizes the eight predictions in the following statements:
  1. People will own nothing. Goods are either free of charge or must be lent from the state.
  2. The United States will no longer be the leading superpower, but a handful of countries will dominate.
  3. Organs will not be transplanted but printed.
  4. Meat consumption will be minimized.
  5. Massive displacement of people will take place with billions of refugees.
  6. To limit the emission of carbon dioxide, a global price will be set at an exorbitant level.
  7. People can prepare to go to Mars and start a journey to find alien life.
  8. Western values will be tested to the breaking point.
Beyond Privacy and Property
In a publication for the World Economic Forum, the Danish ecoactivist Ida Auken who had served as her country’s minister of the environment from 2011 to 2014 and still is a member of the Danish Parliament (the Folketing) as elaborated a scenario of a world without privacy or property. In “Welcome to 2030,” she envisions a world where “I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better.” By 2030, so says her scenario, shopping and owning have become obsolete, because everything that once was a product is now a service.
In this idyllic new world of hers, people have free access to transportation, accommodation, food, “and all the things we need in our daily lives.” As these things will become free of charge, “it ended up not making sense for us to own much.” There would be no private ownership in houses nor would anyone pay rent, “because someone else is using our free space whenever we do not need it.” A person’s living room, for example, will be used for business meetings when one is absent. Concerns like “lifestyle diseases, climate change, the refugee crisis, environmental degradation, completely congested cities, water pollution, air pollution, social unrest and unemployment” are things of the past. The author predicts that people will be happy to enjoy such a good life that is so much better “than the path we were on, where it became so clear that we could not continue with the same model of growth.”
Ecological Paradise
In her 2019 contribution to the Annual Meeting of the Global Future Councils of the World Economic Forum, Ida Auken foretells how the world may look in the future “if we win the war on climate change.” By 2030, when CO2 emissions will be greatly reduced, people will live in a world where meet on the dinner plate “will be a rare sight” while water and the air will be much cleaner than today. Because of the shift from buying goods to using services, the need to have money will vanish, because people will spend less and less on goods. Work time will shrink and leisure time will grow.
For the future, Auken envisions a city where electric cars have substituted conventional combustion vehicles. Most of the roads and parking spaces will have become green parks and walking zones for pedestrians. By 2030, agriculture will offer mainly plant-based alternatives to the food supply instead of meat and dairy products. The use of land to produce animal feed will greatly diminish and nature will be spreading across the globe again.
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How can people be brought to accept such a system? The bait to entice the masses is the assurances of comprehensive healthcare and a guaranteed basic income. The promoters of the Great Reset promise a world without diseases. Due to biotechnologically produced organs and individualized genetics-based medical treatments, a drastically increased life expectancy and even immortality are said to be possible. Artificial intelligence will eradicate death and eliminate disease and mortality. The race is on among biotechnological companies to find the key to eternal life.
Along with the promise of turning any ordinary person into a godlike superman, the promise of a “universal basic income” is highly attractive, particularly to those who will no longer find a job in the new digital economy. Obtaining a basic income without having to go through the treadmill and disgrace of applying for social assistance is used as a bait to get the support of the poor.
To make it economically viable, the guarantee of a basic income would require the leveling of wage differences. The technical procedures of the money transfer from the state will be used to promote the cashless society. With the digitization of all monetary transactions, each individual purchase will be registered. As a consequence, the governmental authorities would have unrestricted access to supervise in detail how individual persons spend their money. A universal basic income in a cashless society would provide the conditions to impose a social credit system and deliver the mechanism to sanction undesirable behavior and identify the superfluous and unwanted.
Who Will Be the Rulers?
The World Economic Forum is silent about the question of who will rule in this new world.
There is no reason to expect that the new power holders would be benevolent. Yet even if the top decision-makers of the new world government were not mean but just technocrats, what reason would an administrative technocracy have to go on with the undesirables? What sense does it make for a technocratic elite to turn the common man into a superman? Why share the benefits of artificial intelligence with the masses and not keep the wealth for the chosen few?
Not being swayed away by the utopian promises, a sober assessment of the plans must come to the conclusion that in this new world, there would be no place for the average person and that they would be put away along with the “unemployable,” “feeble minded,” and “ill bred.” Behind the preaching of the progressive gospel of social justice by the promoters of the Great Reset and the establishment of a new world order lurks the sinister project of eugenics, which as a technique is now called “genetic engineering” and as a movement is named “transhumanism,” a term was coined by Julian Huxley, the first director of the UNESCO.
The promoters of the project keep silent about who will be the rulers in this new world. The dystopian and collectivist nature of these projections and plans is the result of the rejection of free capitalism. Establishing a better world through a dictatorship is a contradiction in terms. Not less but more economic prosperity is the answer to the current problems. Therefore, we need more free markets and less state planning. The world is getting greener and a fall in the growth rate of the world population is already underway. These trends are the natural consequence of wealth creation through free markets.
Conclusion
The World Economic Forum and its related institutions in combination with a handful of governments and a few high-tech companies want to lead the world into a new era without property or privacy. Values like individualism, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are at stake, to be repudiated in favor of collectivism and the imposition of a “common good” that is defined by the self-proclaimed elite of technocrats. What is sold to the public as the promise of equality and ecological sustainability is in fact a brutal assault on human dignity and liberty. Instead of using the new technologies as an instrument of betterment, the Great Reset seeks to use the technological possibilities as a tool of enslavement. In this new world order, the state is the single owner of everything. It is left to our imagination to figure out who will program the algorithms that manage the distribution of the goods and services.

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  [France] It's Super-Soldier Time, Folks!
Posted by: BIAD - 12-09-2020, 11:02 PM - Forum: Europe - Replies (11)

It seems that the running-battles in the streets of Paris, the burning of churches by cheering Muslims
and the bat-flu aren't enough for President Macron's plate and so, he wants cyborgs to solve his problems.
tinycrying



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'The French armed forces have been given the go-ahead to start research on developing "enhanced soldiers".
A report laid out conditions under which work on implants and other technologies designed to improve battlefield
performance should be carried out in the future.
The report stresses that other nations are exploring such possibilities, and that France must keep up.

Defence Minister Florence Parly has emphasised the need to look ahead.
In a speech last week she said France had no immediate plans to develop "invasive" technology for soldiers.
"But we must face the facts," she added. "Not everyone shares our scruples and we must be prepared for
whatever the future holds."
She said "ways to maintain our operational superiority without turning our backs on our values" must be explored.

Details of the report by the military ethics committee were released on Tuesday.
"Human beings have long sought ways to increase their physical or cognitive abilities in order to fight wars," it warned.
"Possible advances could ultimately lead to capacity enhancements being introduced into soldiers' bodies."

The report mentioned research on implants that could "improve cerebral capacity" or help soldiers tell enemy from ally.
These could also allow commanders to locate them or read their vital signs from a distance.

Drawing clear ethical lines, the document noted, was "therefore essential". It said eugenic or genetic practices should
be banned, as well as anything "that could jeopardise the soldier's integration into society or return to civilian life".
In her speech, Ms Parly noted that in civilian fields, work on neural implants for humans was proceeding apace.

This year Elon Musk unveiled a pig called Gertrude with a coin-sized computer chip in her brain, to demonstrate his
ambitious plans to create a working brain-to-machine interface...'
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  The Debrief...... Interesting developes ?
Posted by: 727Sky - 12-08-2020, 01:10 PM - Forum: UFOs, Aliens and Universal Questions - Replies (14)

https://www.thedebrief.org/fast-movers-a...ask-force/

Videos at the link

Quote:In an exclusive feature for The Debrief, U.S. military and intelligence officials, as well as Pentagon emails, offer an unprecedented
glimpse behind the scenes of what’s currently going on with The Pentagon’s investigation into UFOs, or as they term them,
“Unidentified Aerial Phenomena” (UAP).

For the last two years, the Department of Defense’s newly revamped “Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force” (or UAPTF)
has been busy briefing lawmakers, Intelligence Community stakeholders, and the highest levels of the U.S. military on encounters
with what they say are mysterious airborne objects that defy conventional explanations. 

Along with classified briefings, multiple senior U.S. officials with direct knowledge of the matter say two classified intelligence reports
on UAP have been widely distributed to the U.S. Intelligence Community. Numerous sources from various government agencies told
The Debrief that these reports include clear photographic evidence of UAP.

The reports also explicitly state that the Task Force is considering the possibility that these unidentified objects could, as stated by
one source from the U.S. Intelligence Community said, be operated by “intelligences of unknown origin.” 
Significantly, a retired U.S. Air Force brigadier general and head of RAND corporation’s Space Enterprise Initiative has—for the first
time—gone on record to discuss some of the most likely explanations for UAP. His responses were surprising.

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U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Hillary Becke

Briefings At The Highest Levels 
In June, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence’s FY2021 Intelligence Authorization Act contained an intriguing section
titled report on “Advanced Aerial Threats.” In the inclusion, the committee gave an eye-opening official hint (in recent history)
the government takes UFOs seriously by offering its support for the “efforts of the Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon Task Force
at the Office of Naval Intelligence.”

The Intelligence Committee additionally requested an unclassified report detailing the analysis of “UAP” or “Anomalous Aerial
Vehicles.” 

Though already acknowledged by the Intelligence Committee, in mid-August, the Pentagon formally acknowledged they had
established a task force looking into UAP. In a press announcement, the Secretary of Defense’s Office stated, “the UAPTF’s
mission will be to detect, analyze and catalog UAPs that could potentially pose a threat to U.S. national security.”

According to the release, authority for the Task Force was approved by the DoD’s chief operating officer, Deputy Secretary of
Defense David L. Norquist. 

The summer news of the establishment of the UAPTF seemingly suggests—for the first time since the shuttering of Project Blue
Book (the Air Force’s official investigations into UFOs) in 1969—that the Pentagon is now taking the subject of UFOs seriously.
 
However, an internal email obtained by The Debrief shows that almost one year before the DoD’s announcement, the highest
levels of the U.S. military were already being briefed on UAP. 
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Copy of the Email Obtained by The Debrief via FOIA.

The email, obtained via Freedom of Information Act request, shows an October 16th, 2019 exchange between then Vice Chief
of Naval Operations, Admiral Robert Burke, and current Vice Chief of Staff for the Air Force General Stephen “Steve” Wilson.

In the email, Adm. Burke tells Gen. Wilson, “Recommend you take the brief I just received from our Director of Naval Intelligence
VADM Matt Kohler, on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).” Adm. Burke concludes the email, “SECNAV [Secretary of the Navy]
will get the same brief tomorrow at 1000.” 

The “SECNAV” referenced in Adm. Burke’s email was then-Secretary of the Navy, Richard V. Spencer.
A little over a month after this UAP briefing, Spencer was fired by then-Secretary of Defense Mark Esper over public disagreements
stemming from a series of controversies involving the court-martial of Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher.

Speaking on background, one U.S. Defense official lamented that a lack of continuity with DoD leadership might have hindered
some of the UAPTF’s work. Within the past 24 months, there have been four different Secretaries of the Navy and five additional
Secretaries of Defense. Vice Admiral Matt Kohler, noted for having provided the briefings, retired after 36 years with the Navy in
this year.
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Vice Adm. Robert Burke – U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Charles D. Gaddis IV

Reaching out to several active government officials and individuals who retain their government-issued security clearances,
The Debrief learned that last fall was a busy time for the UAPTF. On October 21st, 2019, a briefing on UAP was conducted
at the Pentagon for several Senate Armed Services Committee staffers. 

Attendees at the meeting told The Debrief that they were provided information on two previous DoD-backed UFO programs:
The Advanced Aerial Weapons Systems Applications Program (AAWSAP) and the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification
Program (AATIP).

They were also briefed on “highly sensitive categories of UFO investigations.” Only two days later on October 23rd, staffers
with the Senate Select Intelligence Committee were provided the same information in a meeting on Capitol Hill. 

A former private contractor for AAWSAP and AATIP, Dr. Hal Puthoff, confirmed for The Debrief he was one of a handful of
persons who conducted the October briefings. “I have been invited to brief congressional staffers on the Senate Armed
Services Committee on UAP matters in the last couple of years,” Puthoff said in an email, “and have done so on more than
one occasion.”
Dr. Puthoff described the staffers during these meetings as being “engaged,” and provided “positive responses, [and]
more details always being requested.” 

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The Pentagon Press Briefing Room seal (Credit: DoD/photo by Lisa Ferdinando)

The Debrief reached out to the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs Office and DoD Executive Services Office and
formally requested an interview with someone authorized to speak on the UAP briefings with the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

In an email, Senior Strategist and Pentagon spokesperson Susan Gough responded, “To maintain operations security, which
includes not disseminating information publicly that may be useful to our adversaries, DOD does not discuss publicly the
details of either the observations or the examination of reported incursions into our training ranges or designated airspace,
including those incursions initially designated as UAP – and that includes not discussing the UAPTF publicly, also.” 

Official public affairs channels indicate the Pentagon is not interested in sharing any more information on the UAP topic.
However, several current and former officials with the DoD and individuals working for multiple U.S. intelligence agencies
told The Debrief that there was much more going on behind closed doors.
 
UAP Intelligence Position Reports
Multiple sources confirmed for The Debrief that the UAPTF had issued two classified intelligence position reports, which one
individual described as “shocking.” Details provided on these reports suggest both a greater degree of Pentagon involvement,
and that the UAPTF’s hunt for unidentified objects isn’t confined only to aerial phenomena. 

Two officials with the DoD and one from the U.S. Intelligence community were willing to provide details on the contents of
the classified report. An additional three other U.S. Intelligence Officials and a federal law enforcement officer confirmed the
report’s existence but were only willing to provide comments on their distribution.

Given the report’s classification and their discussion of a “sensitive intelligence matter,” the officials we spoke with did so only
under strict conditions of anonymity. While The Debrief has agreed not to provide information on sources, identities, and employers,
though everyone we spoke with works within the U.S. Intelligence Community and under the authority of the U.S. Director of National
Intelligence. 

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Aerial view of the headquarters of the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) in Chantilly, Virginia, by Trevor Paglen.

One of the intelligence reports, released in 2018, is said to have provided a general overview of the UAP topic and included
details of previous military encounters. According to sources who had read it, the report also contained an unreleased photograph
of an “aerial phenomena” categorized as “unidentified.” 

The Debrief was told the accompanying photo was captured from within the cockpit of an F/A-18 fighter jet with a pilot’s personal
cell phone. According to three U.S. officials who had seen it, the photo showed an unidentified silver “cube-shaped” object.

The report is said to have indicated the object was “hovering” or completely motionless when military pilots encountered it.
All three officials agreed that based on the photo, the object appeared to be at an altitude of roughly 30,000 to 35,000 feet
and approximately 1,000 feet from the fighter jet. 

Defense and intelligence officials willing to discuss the report and those who only wished to confirm its dissemination all expressed
shock that it had been so widely distributed amongst the Intelligence community. 
“In decades with the [Intelligence Community] I’ve never seen anything like this,” said one intelligence official. 

One defense official described the report’s distribution as having gone through “normal, non-public, information sharing channels.”
Other officials who’d seen and read the report either declined to elaborate or indicated the report was distributed on various secure
systems.

One defense official indicated it was distributed on the DoD’s Secret Internet Protocol Router Network (SIPRNet).
Two other intelligence officials said they received the information via “NSANet” (the NSA’s official intranet).
An additional source said the report was distributed via the CIA’s Intelink system.  

According to those willing to discuss the document, the report’s most disconcerting aspect was one of the potential explanations
for what UAP could represent. Sources say a “list” of possible prosaic explanations for these mysterious airborne encounters was
provided. However, the report expressly stated that the potential for UAP to be “alien” or “non-human” technology was of legitimate
consideration. 

All sources interviewed by The Debrief confirmed that the Task Force issued an updated second UAP position report later in the
summer of this year. Like the first, officials say this recent intelligence report was very widely distributed and shared amongst the
Intelligence Community. 
“It went viral,” said one intelligence official who had read the report. 

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Artist’s recreation of the image as described in the UAPTF Intelligence Report issued in 2020 (Image by Dave Beaty of The Nimitz
Encounters,
 2020).

Overwhelmingly, everyone The Debrief spoke with said the most striking feature of the recently released UAPTF intelligence
position report was the inclusion of new and “extremely clear” photograph of an unidentifiable triangular aircraft.

The photograph, which is said to have also been taken from inside the cockpit of a military fighter jet, depicted an apparent
aerospace vehicle described as a large equilateral triangle with rounded or “blunted” edges and large, perfectly spherical white
"lights” in each corner. Officials who had seen it said the image was captured in 2019 by an F/A-18 fighter pilot.

Two officials that received the report said the photo was taken after the triangular craft emerged from the ocean and began to
ascend straight upwards at a 90-degree angle. It was indicated that this event occurred off the eastern coast of the United States.
Several other sources confirmed the photo’s existence; however, they declined to provide any further specifics of the incident. 

Regarding the overall theme of the recent report, officials who read it say the report primarily focused on “Unidentified Submersible
Phenomena,” or unidentified “transmedium” vehicles capable of operating both under water and in the air. 

The three officials we spoke with said the report suggested the UAP Task Force appears to be concerned that the objects being termed
as UAP may be originating from within the world’s oceans. Strange as this may sound, the idea of “USOs” or “unidentified submersible
objects” is not something exclusive to the current UAPTF. 

In various public appearances, astronomer and chief video/image analyst for the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON), Marc D’Antonio, has
shared an unusual experience involving the detection of an underwater “Fast Mover,” which occurred while he was sailing as a civilian
aboard one of the U.S. Navy’s prized attack submarines. 

Last year, defense journalist Tyler Rogoway spoke with several veteran submariners to get their take on D’Antonio’s account.
While at least one person expressed skepticism about D’Antonio being granted a civilian ride-along, the Navy vets being interviewed
almost unanimously acknowledged that unexplained, very high-speed sonar targets are indeed recorded by some of the most
sophisticated listening equipment on the planet. 

Agreeing only to speak on background, a senior member of the Intelligence Community whose responsibilities for decades involved
underwater surveillance and reconnaissance programs told The Debrief there was validity to claims of extremely fast-moving underwater
objects being detected by U.S. military systems.

“On occasion, there are detections made of non-cavitational, extremely fast-moving objects within the ocean.”
intelligence official declined to elaborate further, citing the high-levels of security classification associated with underwater reconnaissance.

Officials who had read the reports say the UAPTF appears particularly interested in “transmedium vehicles.”
While this may seem unusual, many accounts exist–some going back centuries–in which people say they have observed unidentifiable
craft operating in and out of the water. 

The Debrief reached out to Steven Zaloga, co-author of the annual World Military Unmanned Aerial Systems Market Profile & Forecast
and senior defense analyst for the Teal Group in Virginia, about the state of current or near-future development of “transmedium”
vehicles or systems.
Zaloga indicated he was unaware of any past or present technologies that are close to being capable of transitioning between air and
submersible travel. “I have no idea what-so-ever on objects able to cross the air/water barrier,” Zaloga said in an email. 

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U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Pedro A. Rodriguez

What is The Pentagon Officially Saying ABOUT UAP? 
Although The Debrief learned of the issuance and information reportedly detailed in the two UAPTF intelligence position reports,
officials we spoke with declined to provide any specifics as to why the most recent report focused on waterborne associations with
UAP. 

One active defense official familiar with the current UAP investigations said the UAPTF has a wealth of photographic evidence, collected
from military pilots’ personal devices as well as sophisticated DoD surveillance and reconnaissance platforms. The source also told us
some of the best evidence the UAPTF has acquired comes from measurement and signals intelligence (MASINT), rather than from
videos or still images. 

Although officials we spoke with didn’t provide any specifics to this point, it is assumed that any Top-Secret or Sensitive Compartmentalized
Information used to help form the UAPTF’s current opinions would not have been included in the UAP position reports, based on their
wide-spread distribution. 
 
Before publication, The Debrief reached out to The Pentagon for comment on the information leaked from the UAPTF reports.
Pentagon Spokesperson Susan Gough did not confirm or deny the existence of the UAP intelligence reports, and declined to make
any comment on their contents.

We followed up and requested the current media posture outlined by the official public affairs guide for UAP and dictated by
Department of Defense policy (DoDI 5405.03). Ms. Gough referred back to her previous statement, indicating that the DoD
does not discuss UAP publicly. As noted elsewhere, refusal by the Pentagon to discuss UAP is hardly anything new.

In 2017, then Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs Dana White confirmed to Politico  that the DoD had studied UFOs under
the Advanced Aerial Threat Identification Program (AATIP). Additionally, White said the program had been run by the former Director
of National Programs Special Management Staff for the Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, Luis Elizondo.

However, in an effort to “correct the record,” in December 2019 the Pentagon issued a statement saying AATIP was not UAP related,
and that Elizondo had “no responsibilities” in the program. 

In May of this year, The Debrief informed The Pentagon Public Affairs Office that we had conducted a number of interviews with former
senior Pentagon officials, a senior White House advisor and obtained documents, which all showed AATIP was involved in UAP investigations,
and that indeed Luis Elizondo was the custodian of the AATIP portfolio.
Additionally, information obtained showed elements of the Defense Intelligence Agency and National Reconnaissance Office had participated
in AATIP.  

Though this request was less than six months after The Pentagon’s “no responsibilities” statement, spokeswoman Gough replied,
“Please keep in mind he [Elizondo] left DoD over three years ago, and there are personnel and privacy matters involved.” 

Given the recent Presidential election results and impending transfer of executive power, The Debrief reached out to the transition
team for President-Elect Joe Biden. While not explicitly discussing UAP, a transition team spokesperson said Biden intends to
“Immediately return to daily press briefings at the White House, U.S. Department of State, and U.S. Department of Defense.
Our foreign policy relies on the informed consent of the American people.
That is not possible when our government refuses to communicate with the public.” 

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U.S. Navy photo/Petty Officer 2nd Class James R. Evans.

What Does It All Mean? 
From closed-door meetings, to senior military leadership and the issuance of classified intelligence reports, all indications suggest
the DoD is indeed taking the UAP issue seriously. However, what new information has come to light about the government’s UAP
investigations provides us with few answers, and certainly raises a number of questions.

Classification has long surrounded the U.S. government’s most sophisticated airborne platforms. However, when it comes to underwater
systems, the extremity of official secrecy falls into a class by itself. For instance, retired Navy Admiral Bobby Ray Inman acknowledged
that he served as director for the National Underwater Reconnaissance Office (NURO) decades ago; yet despite this, to date the
government denies that the NURO even exists. 

Even if the Senate Select Intelligence Committee’s request for an unclassified UAP report ends up being enacted in the FY2021 Intelligence
Act, as legislative experts have pointed out, the UAP report provision is not binding law. In essence, there’s no guarantee the public will be
provided any comprehensive information on UAP. Equally, while Congress is required to have access to classified information, only the
executive branch has the authority to declassify national security information in order to make it public. 

Should the DoD become more willing to discuss UAP publicly, there are plenty of indications that it might be a disappointment compared
to many of the popular myths and narratives intertwined with the UFO subject over the last 70 years. 

Every source The Debrief spoke with who had either seen the published position reports or were familiar with the activities of the UAPTF
said that no concise estimate of the situation for UAP has been achieved. While they acknowledged that many hypotheses are being
explored, the U.S. government presently lacks any definite explanation for UAP-related events.  

Focusing on the DoD’s statements that the mission of the UAPTF is to “detect, analyze and catalog UAPs that could potentially pose a
threat to U.S. national security,” The Debrief spoke with retired U.S. Air Force Brigadier General Bruce McClintock.
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