White House Warns of Global Food Shortages After Ukraine Invasion

[Ninurta]

You also need to know how to prepare and cook what you grow and gather. Most folks think corn on the cob is the only way you eat corn, but we shelled if off the cob into grains, and took it from there. The grains are easier and more compact to store than corn on the cob, and I used the cobs to make pipes, an added bonus. I used What we called "prickly ash" to make the stems out of. There was a big-assed bush of it growing at the edge of our garden, and I could cut stems, shave off the bark and thorns, and then use a coat hanger to push the pith out of the middle of it to make pipe stems.

but back to the corn.

That corn, after being shelled, could be used as an ingredient in any manner of soups, or if ground into meal, could be used to make mush or fry bread. Mom used to make fry bread out of it by mixing in onions or whatever was handy into the dough, making flat patties, and frying them. that was also called "pones" or "Johnny Cakes", a corruption of "Shawnee Cakes". Or, you could just boil the grains and eat them as a side dish.

Beans? everybody knows how to cook beans... but I bet you didn't know you could grind them up to make a bread out of. Or a paste for other stuff.

I can't help you with the squash. I never would eat that stuff. Mom cooked it up with onions and stuff, but it never crossed my lips.

She also used to fry green tomatoes, because they weren't ripe yet, but we were still hungry anyhow. She  breaded that with eggs and corn meal before frying it. I hate fried green tomatoes, but when you get hungry enough, the strangest shit starts looking like food.

I'd catch crawdads out of the creek, and boil them in salt water. They are exactly like miniature lobsters. Last summer, I noticed that someone had crawdad traps hung off the side of my bridge here. I left them alone, 'cause folks gotta eat, and I wasn't the one catching them.

When I was a teenager, I ate groundhogs, squirrels, rabbits, deer, fish, turtles, snakes, and any damned thing else I could catch. Except possums. I'm not eating anything I've seen crawl 3 feet up a dead cow's ass, and possums are that. I caught catfish out of the river, and have eaten gar fish caught out of the same river, which was a pain in the ass to clean. As it turns out, gars have scales that butt together instead of overlap, so they're tough to scale. I recommend just skinning them and having done with it. We even ate a grampus, which is the local name for what other folks call a "hellbender". it's a giant salamander that lives in rivers in the US. dear Old Dad called them "water dogs".

If it walks on legs through the woods, it can be eaten. Some critters are better than others to eat, though.

Point is. learn how to use what you have available, or what you can make available. The time night come that you're glad you learned that.

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[Ninurta]

@Ninurta your grandmothers cough medicine must have been a doozy. Sounds fantastic to me.

Hahaha!

I don't know if it really healed you, or just made it so that you didn't care until you were better naturally, but either way it worked!

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[hounddoghowlie]

The White House confirmed Monday they expect certain parts of the world to suffer a food shortage as an effect of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.

“We do anticipate that higher energy fertilizer, wheat, and corn prices could impact the price of growing and purchasing critical food supplies for countries around the world,” White House press secretary Jen Psaki said Monday.

They're warming us up to the inevitability of empty shelves ... and not no panic buying emptiness ... but long-haul Depression Era shortages.

I wonder this: If America experiences a food shortage, will the greenies stop adding ethanol to our gas?  Yeah ... I didn't think so either.

ETA: Link-A-Dink

Hmmm, I wonder how far elected federal government, supreme court justices, irs employees, fbi, nsa, cia dod, justicie department,treasury depament, certain state governors and legistrators, and their alphabet agencies ( did I miss anybody) slow cooked and rotated on a spit over a open fire at a bbq festival would stretch to feed the masses.

Maybe not that far, but that and what they would have been gorging themselves on during the suffering us pions were are going thru on would be a start.

[Grace]

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What's the saying in God we trust, all others must pay cash

I know most of my family can hunker down and be okay, it's about all millions of other Americans who live paycheck to paycheck. This leads me to here comes UBI, did you notice Bernie Sanders on Stephen Colbert? I didn't listen but US Senators rarely show up on TV unless they are about to pitch something.

Americans have made it through a lot, we are a strong people we will make it through this.

I missed anything about Sanders, do you know more about his interview?

[interupt42]

The White House confirmed Monday they expect certain parts of the world to suffer a food shortage as an effect of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.

“We do anticipate that higher energy fertilizer, wheat, and corn prices could impact the price of growing and purchasing critical food supplies for countries around the world,” White House press secretary Jen Psaki said Monday.

They're warming us up to the inevitability of empty shelves ... and not no panic buying emptiness ... but long-haul Depression Era shortages.

I wonder this: If America experiences a food shortage, will the greenies stop adding ethanol to our gas?  Yeah ... I didn't think so either.

ETA: Link-A-Dink

Its amazing they are still committed to RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA and since Trump is gone they got there new boogey man to distract from the incompetence.

the only thing that is not a purposely manufactured shortage is the peoples IQ levels that voted and continue to support the democrats.

Having said that: Both party along with the MSM are truly the average Americans enemy. The republicans that support the GOP selected darlings aren't to far behind either , but the democrats have taken stupid to an unimaginable level of stupid.They have gone full REEEEEEEEEEE.

[CelticBanshee3]

My Dear Old Dad, who lived through the Depression, told me that there was no shortage of "stuff", but that there was a shortage of money to buy that "stuff". It's why he was such a good shot, and why he used to count my bullets before I went hunting, and expected me to return with a piece of game for each expended bullet. If he got 15 cents to buy ammo, he bought it. And if he took 9 shells out squirrel hunting, he damned well had to come back with 9 squirrels, or unspent ammo equal to however many squirrels he couldn't find to shoot... and that is what he expected of me. He figured that if he could do it, I could too, but Dear Old Dad was a far better man than I will ever be.

The Depression is why he made me work in the garden every year, trying to force me to learn how to farm. It's why he taught me how to work horses - plow with them, haul timber with them, the whole shebang. It's why he taught me how to work a forge and do blacksmith work (those horses were not gonna shoe themselves, y'know?), and why he taught me what weeds I could eat out of the woods and which ones would make me sick or do me in. He always insisted the day might come when I needed to know all these things and more... and now that the day is upon us, I'm probably too old to exercise that knowledge.

I used to know old timers that ran their cars on pure, uncut moonshine. The purest alcohol they could wring out of a still. Back then, cars had carburetors rather than fuel injectors, and they told me that they had to tweak the carburetors by enlarging the fuel jets, because moonshine had a lower octane than gasoline. All the lines were metal tubing, same as on a moonshine still.

This time around, I'm still not convinced we will have an actual shortage of "stuff", but think we will be unable to get that "stuff" on shelves because of the greenies War on Energy. What we CAN get on the shelves will be outrageously priced, for the same reason.

If your going to garden, and are able to, My advice is to go with the old Indan staples - corn, beans, squash, that sort of thing. Corn, for example, gives a phenomenal return on each grain planted. A single ear can have up to around 900 grains, and each plant is going to have 4 or 5 of those ears. All of that from ONE grain of corn planted. Wheat is nice for flour, but more labor intensive with a smaller return. Learn how to use corn meal and corn flour instead.

If you can't grow stuff, make stuff to barter. barter will be King when inflation weakens the buying power of money to nothing. that will likely be our equivalent of "no money to buy stuff". Stuff you can make for trade, or labor itself, will be your buying power. Plus, the only people setting the value on that are you and whomever you are trading with - not government regulators trying to prop up a dying dollar.

My Dear Old Dad used to have me go out every spring and start collecting "weeds" which we called "greens" and ate. Things like wild lettuce, dandelions, goosefoot, field cress, sorrel, mint, and a lot of others. Pokeweed was one of them. Folks will tell you you can't eat it because it's poisonous, but I've eaten it until it was running out of my ears, and I'm still kicking high. It's all in how you prepare it, and if done right, you can eat it and it ain't bad. Kinda like manioc in South America - Indians eat it there all day long, but if it ain't prepared right, it'll turn your toes right up until you are pushing up daisies.

I remember when my own son was just a wee shit and I took him into the woods regularly to show him what he could and couldn't eat. His ma about had a calf, screaming that it was all "poison". But it ain't. I'm still alive to prove it, and he is, too.

Fertilizer prices? we're small scale farmers here, not corporate conglomerates. Make a deal with a local cattle farmer for all the manure he can haul in exchange for a share of the produce it grows. You both come out ahead.

Remember - you're not worried about feeding gunslingers in Chicago so they can keep on gang-bangin', your only worried about feeding your family, friends, and neighbors. This ain't gonna be the Globalist economy with "just on time delivery", it's going to be as local as it gets. If those Chicagoans can't feed themselves, then let 'em eat each other. Their problem, not yours. You didn't tell 'em to live in a Chicago ant hill with nothing but concrete to grow shit on. Your problem is the survival of you and your own community. Chicago, New York City, Los Angeles, San Fransisco, Denver - all these places can see to their own problems. their problems are no longer yours when it's right down to survival.

One of the key differences between now and Depression Days was that back then, the population was around 20% urban and 80% rural, and now that has flip-flopped. It hit  50/50 some time in the 1950's due to an increase in manufacturing jobs, and just kept climbing from there. That population shift to urban centers is going to bite a lot of folks in the ass, because they have too many mouths to feed, and will have no way to feed 'em. They got too reliant on a Globalist economy, expecting everything would always just be brought right to 'em... and now we have the greenies trying to destroy the transportation that made that happen.

This "integrated economy" is not all it was sold to them to be - pull out one nail - like fuel - the whole damned scaffold collapses. It's TOO interdependent.

Don't worry about the city folk - they'll be busy weeding each other out. You just worry about weeding out that garden patch.

ETA: This is a photo I took of my Dear Old Dad still plowing with pony power in 1974:



He's 24 years dead now. he ain't gonna care if I make him internet famous. We made that plow ourselves out of iron water pipe and a mild steel foot to cut the furrows. While we were at it, we also made a 5 foot (as in 5 legs and feet, not 5 foot long) cultivator to rip the weeds out from between the rows while the corn was growing. Dear Old Dad, he was a survivor. If he couldn't buy it, we made it.

Yet another ETA: Another thing about the population - 50% of the population, a full half of it, lives within 100 miles of the ocean. most of that lives in cities, and is gonna die. The survivors need to learn to render salt out of sea water, That will be their stock in trade, because salt is always in high demand. Your mission, James, should you decide to accept it, is determining a way to get that salt from the shore to the inland areas.

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Your dad, was like my two grandfathers. My maternal grandfather raised 9 girls by farming, fishing, cutting wood, and making moonshine. I heard stories of how good his moonshine was. Wish I had his recipe. My paternal grandfather raised 10 children, 7 boys, 3 girls, by farming and working in the cotton mills when they were not shut down during the depression. 5 of his sons fought in WW2, the youngest 2, my dad was the baby, also served just after the war ended in Germany and France. 

I use to hate it when we were made to get out and hoe the corn and shell the beans then have to can what the garden provided but now I am thankful. We built a tunnel house to put my citrus trees in last fall and other plants through the winter. It worked very well and we will build another soon. We have a garden plowed up and ready to plant. We have always kept extra canned food and gardens but have really buckled down the last two years. Thank goodness most of my neighbors are family and friends who also garden, raise beef, mechanic, electrician, welder, former military. My only worry is Atlanta keeps expanding closer and closer. I envy you living in the beautiful mountain area. 

[Snarl]

Hmmm, I wonder how far ... (did I miss anybody) slow cooked and rotated on a spit over a open fire at a bbq festival would stretch to feed the masses.

People will be the most abundant food source available for a little while after SHTF. That's the reason they plant all that fear of cannibalism on us in the movies. HAHAHAHA

I figure it like this: if you let all the useless eaters gobble-up all the available resources ... what you've got left to eat is only your own fault for lack of understanding/planning.  Somebody waltzes into your garden with their kids and starts eating up your efforts and your chances of survival ... whatchagonnado?

[hounddoghowlie]

Somebody waltzes into your garden with their kids and starts eating up your efforts and your chances of survival ... whatchagonnado?

Snarl's son: What's for supper Pa?
Snarl: Long Pig son!
Snarl's son: Oh Goody I get the funny bone!

Two Days Later,
Snarl's son: How much longer before we get to eat the piglets?
Snarl: Oh I figure about 2 or 3 more days beatin's will make them good and tender.

[Snarl]

ETA: This is a photo I took of my Dear Old Dad still plowing with pony power in 1974:

Two horses for each rider in your household.  Three mules.  Half a dozen hunting dogs.

Short these ... anyone trying to survive SHTF is gonna find themselves hard-pressed.

[beez]

At my job, and in life we make plans.

We plan for things.

We look ahead and say, "If XYZ happens, then we do this".

I know DC does the same.  You'll never see a starving politician.

They want this to happen.  They created a scenario where this would happen.  

Or

They are so incompetent that they only react instead of act.

So they either wanted this to happen or they're idiots and morons.

[hounddoghowlie]

So they either wanted this to happen or they're idiots and morons.

I say both. Very few politicians have any sense, and of those most succumb to the " i'm in charge power trip ego" and get even more stupid than the ones that didn't have any sense.

Those that don't succumb are usually run off and threatened with loss of life to them or their family if they speak about what goes on in my opinion.

Could be wrong, but i don't think I am.

[Snarl]

So they either wanted this to happen or they're idiots and morons.

They're not _all_ idiots and morons.

The thought that they wanted this to happen to 340,000,000 people would warrant their violent and unconstitutional overthrow.

I wasn't a J6er, because their was no call-to-arms, but heads-rolling was warranted a LONG time ago.

That snake John Boehner and his lapdog Paul Ryan ... and many before them.

I've recently been seeing news clips of Bill Barr justifying his existence and how he defied Trump.  The whole lot of 'em need to swing ... even the ones who are clearly outnumbered ... because they could have at least stood up and protested as the most senior leaders paid for by the governed.

And don't get me started on these scoundrels in uniform.  Maybe it's because I'm closer to them, but they swore oaths they are all too happy to take a big stinking dump on.  The Officer Corp is beyond saving at this point.  Not a single one of 'em can be trusted.  I'd extend that to the vast majority of the senior NCOs as well.  They're hand-picked for promotion for a reason.  I almost wanna see them thrown against the Russian Army ... or better yet ... the Chinese ... even better, both at the same time.

[beez]

So they either wanted this to happen or they're idiots and morons.

I say both. Very few politicians have any sense, and of those most succumb to the " i'm in charge power trip ego" and get even more stupid than the ones that didn't have any sense.

Those that don't succumb are usually run off and threatened with loss of life to them or their family if they speak about what goes on in my opinion.

Could be wrong, but i don't think I am.

My litmus test for honest politicians has always been the Congressional Hush Fund used to pay off and cover up sexual misconduct by our representatives.

To date, not a single member of congress has called to eliminate the funds or to name the people who have used it.

[beez]

So they either wanted this to happen or they're idiots and morons.

They're not _all_ idiots and morons.

The thought that they wanted this to happen to 340,000,000 people would warrant their violent and unconstitutional overthrow.

I wasn't a J6er, because their was no call-to-arms, but heads-rolling was warranted a LONG time ago.

That snake John Boehner and his lapdog Paul Ryan ... and many before them.

I've recently been seeing news clips of Bill Barr justifying his existence and how he defied Trump.  The whole lot of 'em need to swing ... even the ones who are clearly outnumbered ... because they could have at least stood up and protested as the most senior leaders paid for by the governed.

And don't get me started on these scoundrels in uniform.  Maybe it's because I'm closer to them, but they swore oaths they are all too happy to take a big stinking dump on.  The Officer Corp is beyond saving at this point.  Not a single one of 'em can be trusted.  I'd extend that to the vast majority of the senior NCOs as well.  They're hand-picked for promotion for a reason.  I almost wanna see them thrown against the Russian Army ... or better yet ... the Chinese ... even better, both at the same time.

My brother in Naval reserves.  He scrubbed his online accounts, unfriended me on Facebook (I still use for keeping touch with my old military unit) just so he could get a promotion before he retires.

[Snarl]

My brother in Naval reserves.  He scrubbed his online accounts, unfriended me on Facebook (I still use for keeping touch with my old military unit) just so he could get a promotion before he retires.

Are you pullin' my leg??

[beez]

My brother in Naval reserves.  He scrubbed his online accounts, unfriended me on Facebook (I still use for keeping touch with my old military unit) just so he could get a promotion before he retires.

Are you pullin' my leg??

Nope.  Apparently, I'm too "mouthy" online.

[Snarl]

My brother in Naval reserves.  He scrubbed his online accounts, unfriended me on Facebook (I still use for keeping touch with my old military unit) just so he could get a promotion before he retires.

Are you pullin' my leg??

Nope.  Apparently, I'm too "mouthy" online.

So much indoctrination.  If you haven't seen it with your own eyes, you cannot understand the effectiveness of what's in place.

Trump started to erase the requirements.  I've often wondered if that was the tipping point for him.

[interupt42]

So they either wanted this to happen or they're idiots and morons.

I say both. Very few politicians have any sense, and of those most succumb to the " i'm in charge power trip ego" and get even more stupid than the ones that didn't have any sense.

Those that don't succumb are usually run off and threatened with loss of life to them or their family if they speak about what goes on in my opinion.

Could be wrong, but i don't think I am.

My litmus test for honest politicians has always been the Congressional Hush Fund used to pay off and cover up sexual misconduct by our representatives.

To date, not a single member of congress has called to eliminate the funds or to name the people who have used it.

Yep my other litmus test for politicians is to see if they make conflict of interest issue number 1 and their only or primary focus.

If they talk about fixing healthcare,taxes,welfare,gov't spending, regulations, education, economy, etc then they are  either:
1. The problem and bought and paid for:
   Their intention is to keep you distracted from the real problem and keep you chasing your tail with the symptoms of the real problem.


2. Complete morons:
    Anyone that is trying or expects to fix our issues with a bunch of politicians in congress that are riddled with conflict of interest who not only created the issues in the first place but are also benefiting from those same issues they created are some kind of special.

Trying to fix any of our issues without first reducing conflict of interest in congress is the equivalent of going to you local Gangs or MOB and asking them to fix the crime in your neighborhood that they created and are benefiting from. Can't fix stupid and yet many smart people in their own way fail to understand this simple logical thinking process?

So far not one has passed that litmus test. However, trump came somewhat close and brought attention to the MSM propaganda, The swamp, and our dependencies with foreign adversary. Unfortunately I think trump landed on option 2 above when he relied on swamp creatures to fix the swamp.

The GOP swamp completely played trump while feeding his ego until the very end. His Republican party darlings who composed his administration basically sh1tted on him and validated the most likely corrupted election in history. All the while his  3 letter agencies and DOJ  opened investigations to only close lose ends and get rid of evidence and eyewitnesses (hillary email, epstein didn't kill himself, hunter biden laptop, etc)

There are only 2 people I would be willing to take a chance with and actually get behind but neither really has passed my litmus test. However those 2 are Ron Desantis and Rand Paul more so Desantis and paul more so because of his dad and has gone against the GOP and the GOP has never endorsed him .

[Ninurta]

Your dad, was like my two grandfathers. My maternal grandfather raised 9 girls by farming, fishing, cutting wood, and making moonshine. I heard stories of how good his moonshine was. Wish I had his recipe. My paternal grandfather raised 10 children, 7 boys, 3 girls, by farming and working in the cotton mills when they were not shut down during the depression. 5 of his sons fought in WW2, the youngest 2, my dad was the baby, also served just after the war ended in Germany and France. 

I use to hate it when we were made to get out and hoe the corn and shell the beans then have to can what the garden provided but now I am thankful. We built a tunnel house to put my citrus trees in last fall and other plants through the winter. It worked very well and we will build another soon. We have a garden plowed up and ready to plant. We have always kept extra canned food and gardens but have really buckled down the last two years. Thank goodness most of my neighbors are family and friends who also garden, raise beef, mechanic, electrician, welder, former military. My only worry is Atlanta keeps expanding closer and closer. I envy you living in the beautiful mountain area. 

Dear Old Dad served in Germany right after WWII, in the 15th Constabulary Squadron, guarding the new borders against the Godless Commies. His separation from the army and the ending of that unit coincided.

When he was a kid, he traded a shotgun for a blacksmith setup - anvil, hammer, mud-box and bellows - so that he could keep his horses shod himself. Later in life, we built the forge he taught me in. We made the mud-box out of an old truck rim, by welding sockets for iron pipe legs on it, and making a "T" out of pipe to weld to the bottom of the hole for the hub. On the "T", one end was welded to the rim, and the other end we put a rotating "door" on to control air flow, and on the stem of the "T" we mounted an electric blower so that, through the miracle of electricity, I didn't have to pump a bellows. Then we packed the truck rim with red clay to hold the heat, and Dear Old Dad made a grate to cover the top of the hub so that the coals didn't fall into the "T", but we could still blow air into them. When you turned on the blower, the rotating door at the bottom controlled air flow - more closed for more air into the coals, more open for less air into the coals.

a 150 pound anvil mounted on a section of tree trunk that I never got split for firewood, and a 2 pound hammer, completed the setup. I learned to make horse shoes - with and without ice clogs on them for summer and winter - and knives. I learned how to forge weld, and how to twist ribbons of steel to make decorative fireplace sets, among other things. Dear Old Dad also made a small anvil for finish work out of a foot long section of old railroad track.

I never got around to showing my son how to blacksmith. I was working a lot in those days, not around enough. However, he HAS taken up the sport on his own now, again with a home-built forge. He makes knives.

Dear Old Dad never made any moonshine, but we knew folks who did, so we always kept a couple gallons in the cellar, for medicinal purposes you understand. Instead, he made wine. He made wine out of anything he could get hold of - dandelions, potatoes, blackberries, just anything that could be fermented. I made some once out of wild plums.

An old guy we knew made moonshine in his kitchen. He had an old wood cookstove, and had built a groundhog still of about 5 gallons capacity, and would run off small batches at will. We could get it from him for about 20 bucks a gallon - try finding moonshine for that price now!

Pap showed me now to move piles of vegetation with a horse and a loop of rope fastened to the singletree of the harness to clear land for a garden. He said that was how they used to move hay shocks.

If we needed a dog house or a chicken clutch, we built it. there were no Walmarts here in those days.

When it gets right down to surviving on nothing, some folks can get just downright inventive.

Thee mountains ARE beautiful from the tops of the ridges. Down here in the holler where I live, it's just mostly shady. And green. Green everywhere. Even in winter. When the leaves fall from the trees and the weeds die back, the mountain laurel and ground pines takes over the task of greening things up through the winter.

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[Ninurta]

ETA: This is a photo I took of my Dear Old Dad still plowing with pony power in 1974:

Two horses for each rider in your household.  Three mules.  Half a dozen hunting dogs.

Short these ... anyone trying to survive SHTF is gonna find themselves hard-pressed.

We kept two horses all the time, but no mules. At one time, we had 17 hounds. Dear Old Dad liked his dawgs! We usually kept 2 or 3 pigs, and at one time had 400 game chickens and 8 or 10 ducks. My sisters kept cats, but Dear Old Dad hated cats - he said they had no purpose in life. One day, I saw with my own eyes, Pap pick up a hickory nut sized pebble and sidearm it 30 feet straight into the side of a cat's head because the cat was crouched and about to try to jump one of his chickens.

When I was about 15, I had to shoot my own dog for killing chickens. Sometimes in life, a man has to be able to shoot his own dog... and pap liked his chickens.

One winter, we had 400 chickens going into winter, and 20 left coming out the other side of winter. That year was a hard winter, and we got snowed in for two solid months, couldn't get out to get supplies, so we ate chicken and eggs for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. What we didn't eat froze to death, all but that surviving 20.

I still can't hardly stand to eat chicken to this day.

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