03-22-2022, 03:25 AM (This post was last modified: 03-22-2022, 03:26 AM by Snarl.)
Quote:The White House confirmed Monday they expect certain parts of the world to suffer a food shortage as an effect of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.
“We do anticipate that higher energy fertilizer, wheat, and corn prices could impact the price of growing and purchasing critical food supplies for countries around the world,” White House press secretary Jen Psaki said Monday.
They're warming us up to the inevitability of empty shelves ... and not no panic buying emptiness ... but long-haul Depression Era shortages.
I wonder this: If America experiences a food shortage, will the greenies stop adding ethanol to our gas? Yeah ... I didn't think so either.
Quote:The White House confirmed Monday they expect certain parts of the world to suffer a food shortage as an effect of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.
“We do anticipate that higher energy fertilizer, wheat, and corn prices could impact the price of growing and purchasing critical food supplies for countries around the world,” White House press secretary Jen Psaki said Monday.
They're warming us up to the inevitability of empty shelves ... and not no panic buying emptiness ... but long-haul Depression Era shortages.
I wonder this: If America experiences a food shortage, will the greenies stop adding ethanol to our gas? Yeah ... I didn't think so either.
I run an engine shop. We have that so called E10 (Ethanol10%) for like ten years now.
A stern warning:
Inform yourself first about your car. Get a statement from your manufacturer. I did not have my shop and master back then, but in the beginning of the E10 phase-in-time, lot's of cars broke down. Especially older ones! The problems were hoses, seals and the gasoline tank itself. Textile wrapped carburetor lines, leaky in no time. Chalk like residue due to oxidation into ant acid around injectors and down the whole fuel line into the tank. Ant acid is the real killer here.
If you or anyone else has such an older car with carburetor or generally older car not manufactured for E5/E10, you can mitigate the ant acid issue by adding 1% two stroke engine oil into your fuel. Just normal chainsaw mix oil. No need for the synthetic racing stuff. Don't worry about smell or smoke, current 50:1 oil almost does not smoke, if you go 100:1 you will be fine.
It helps removing and buildup of resin inside the engine too. Your engine will be thankful. And please let it run 10 seconds before you put load on it, your engine will thank you for that too. Engine ignited, then seatbelt, then do the rest of your stuff like radio or AC and now there is finally oil arriving at your camshaft. Thick but at least there is some ;)
(03-22-2022, 03:25 AM)Snarl Wrote: They're warming us up to the inevitability of empty shelves ... and not no panic buying emptiness ... but long-haul Depression Era shortages.
I wonder this: If America experiences a food shortage, will the greenies stop adding ethanol to our gas? Yeah ... I didn't think so either.
03-22-2022, 04:11 AM (This post was last modified: 03-22-2022, 04:13 AM by Grace.)
(03-22-2022, 03:25 AM)Snarl Wrote:
Quote:The White House confirmed Monday they expect certain parts of the world to suffer a food shortage as an effect of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.
“We do anticipate that higher energy fertilizer, wheat, and corn prices could impact the price of growing and purchasing critical food supplies for countries around the world,” White House press secretary Jen Psaki said Monday.
They're warming us up to the inevitability of empty shelves ... and not no panic buying emptiness ... but long-haul Depression Era shortages.
I wonder this: If America experiences a food shortage, will the greenies stop adding ethanol to our gas? Yeah ... I didn't think so either.
The middle east who depend so heavily on Ukrainian wheat and oil will be hardest hit. They face an actual famine.
The rest of the world won't likely be able to make up for the shortages completely because this is coming after a drought year, so this will absolutely drive prices up even here. Things like pasta, bread: high calorie staples the poor depend on will be more difficult to both get, and afford.
I would advise anyone who hasn't already to start planting- anywhere and in anything you can!
Whether it's tilling up rows in your back yard, in planter and flower pots on your balcony or even in recycled tin cans or empty milk jugs with the tops cut off in a window- every little bit is going to help. Read growing info now on the internet, buy books or borrow from the library or just wing it as best you can. Anything is better than nothing.
It might be the difference between surviving and starving!
"As an American it's your responsibility to have your own strategic duck stockpile. You can't expect the government to do it for you." - the dork I call one of my mom's other kids
Quote:The White House confirmed Monday they expect certain parts of the world to suffer a food shortage as an effect of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.
“We do anticipate that higher energy fertilizer, wheat, and corn prices could impact the price of growing and purchasing critical food supplies for countries around the world,” White House press secretary Jen Psaki said Monday.
They're warming us up to the inevitability of empty shelves ... and not no panic buying emptiness ... but long-haul Depression Era shortages.
I wonder this: If America experiences a food shortage, will the greenies stop adding ethanol to our gas? Yeah ... I didn't think so either.
I run an engine shop. We have that so called E10 (Ethanol10%) for like ten years now.
A stern warning:
Inform yourself first about your car. Get a statement from your manufacturer. I did not have my shop and master back then, but in the beginning of the E10 phase-in-time, lot's of cars broke down. Especially older ones! The problems were hoses, seals and the gasoline tank itself. Textile wrapped carburetor lines, leaky in no time. Chalk like residue due to oxidation into ant acid around injectors and down the whole fuel line into the tank. Ant acid is the real killer here.
If you or anyone else has such an older car with carburetor or generally older car not manufactured for E5/E10, you can mitigate the ant acid issue by adding 1% two stroke engine oil into your fuel. Just normal chainsaw mix oil. No need for the synthetic racing stuff. Don't worry about smell or smoke, current 50:1 oil almost does not smoke, if you go 100:1 you will be fine.
It helps removing and buildup of resin inside the engine too. Your engine will be thankful. And please let it run 10 seconds before you put load on it, your engine will thank you for that too. Engine ignited, then seatbelt, then do the rest of your stuff like radio or AC and now there is finally oil arriving at your camshaft. Thick but at least there is some ;)
(03-22-2022, 04:06 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Have we ever had a more cautionary, doom, and gloom White House? Seriously? a week after sending millions to Ukraine
Everybody knows it's gonna be shitty how about some leaders telling us how they are going to try and make it less shitty.
It's just a matter of trying to mitigate the problems. India actually has some excess wheat so they will be shipping to the middle east, and I think one other country too... But only so much can be done and as a result, things will just be more difficult to get our hands on.
I've got a solid months worth of food in our house, and planning a few more staples beyond, but we as a nation will make it through... I'm not terribly worried.
If the poop hits the oscillating device, remember that a lot of plants that are now considered weeds are edible. Now may be the time to pick up a good plant identification guide for your area. You'd be surprised how much free food is growing near you, even in a city.
(03-22-2022, 04:06 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Have we ever had a more cautionary, doom, and gloom White House? Seriously? a week after sending millions to Ukraine
Everybody knows it's gonna be shitty how about some leaders telling us how they are going to try and make it less shitty.
Seriously. What government announces broadly and boldly about sending a $13.6bn emergency military and humanitarian aid package for Ukraine, while here in America, with a poverty rate of 13.4%, and people are sleeping and dying in the streets, homeless, and hungry.
I have love and compassion for all, but I am not going to send food to strangers in a far away land, that I know little to nothing about, while watching my neighbors die unsheltered in the street and starving.
The media keeps us worked up about what is happening abroad, in an attempt to keep us ignorant and unaware of the war we are fighting right here in America.
I know this goes against the media narrative, and makes me look like a heartless evil person. But that is part of the plan, to keep us in conflict, confused, in doubt, and responding on command.
Quote:The United States Senate gave final approval to a $13.6bn emergency military and humanitarian aid package for Ukraine and its European allies late on Thursday, sending the bill to President Joe Biden who has said he will sign the measure.
“We’re giving the Ukrainians billions for food, medicine, shelter, and support for the over two million refugees who have had to leave Ukraine,” said Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, adding the funding would provide for “weapons transfers” of Javelin anti-tank missiles and Stinger anti-aircraft missiles. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/11...aid-budget
For every one person that read this post. About 7.99 billion have not.
(03-22-2022, 04:06 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Have we ever had a more cautionary, doom, and gloom White House? Seriously? a week after sending millions to Ukraine
Everybody knows it's gonna be shitty how about some leaders telling us how they are going to try and make it less shitty.
It's just a matter of trying to mitigate the problems. India actually has some excess wheat so they will be shipping to the middle east, and I think one other country too... But only so much can be done and as a result, things will just be more difficult to get our hands on.
I've got a solid months worth of food in our house, and planning a few more staples beyond, but we as a nation will make it through... I'm not terribly worried.
In God we trust. :)
What's the saying in God we trust, all others must pay cash
I know most of my family can hunker down and be okay, it's about all millions of other Americans who live paycheck to paycheck. This leads me to here comes UBI, did you notice Bernie Sanders on Stephen Colbert? I didn't listen but US Senators rarely show up on TV unless they are about to pitch something.
(03-22-2022, 03:25 AM)Snarl Wrote: They're warming us up to the inevitability of empty shelves ... and not no panic buying emptiness ... but long-haul Depression Era shortages.
I wonder this: If America experiences a food shortage, will the greenies stop adding ethanol to our gas? Yeah ... I didn't think so either.
(03-22-2022, 03:25 AM)Snarl Wrote: They're warming us up to the inevitability of empty shelves ... and not no panic buying emptiness ... but long-haul Depression Era shortages.
I wonder this: If America experiences a food shortage, will the greenies stop adding ethanol to our gas? Yeah ... I didn't think so either.
03-22-2022, 08:57 AM (This post was last modified: 03-22-2022, 10:48 AM by Ninurta.)
My Dear Old Dad, who lived through the Depression, told me that there was no shortage of "stuff", but that there was a shortage of money to buy that "stuff". It's why he was such a good shot, and why he used to count my bullets before I went hunting, and expected me to return with a piece of game for each expended bullet. If he got 15 cents to buy ammo, he bought it. And if he took 9 shells out squirrel hunting, he damned well had to come back with 9 squirrels, or unspent ammo equal to however many squirrels he couldn't find to shoot... and that is what he expected of me. He figured that if he could do it, I could too, but Dear Old Dad was a far better man than I will ever be.
The Depression is why he made me work in the garden every year, trying to force me to learn how to farm. It's why he taught me how to work horses - plow with them, haul timber with them, the whole shebang. It's why he taught me how to work a forge and do blacksmith work (those horses were not gonna shoe themselves, y'know?), and why he taught me what weeds I could eat out of the woods and which ones would make me sick or do me in. He always insisted the day might come when I needed to know all these things and more... and now that the day is upon us, I'm probably too old to exercise that knowledge.
I used to know old timers that ran their cars on pure, uncut moonshine. The purest alcohol they could wring out of a still. Back then, cars had carburetors rather than fuel injectors, and they told me that they had to tweak the carburetors by enlarging the fuel jets, because moonshine had a lower octane than gasoline. All the lines were metal tubing, same as on a moonshine still.
This time around, I'm still not convinced we will have an actual shortage of "stuff", but think we will be unable to get that "stuff" on shelves because of the greenies War on Energy. What we CAN get on the shelves will be outrageously priced, for the same reason.
If your going to garden, and are able to, My advice is to go with the old Indan staples - corn, beans, squash, that sort of thing. Corn, for example, gives a phenomenal return on each grain planted. A single ear can have up to around 900 grains, and each plant is going to have 4 or 5 of those ears. All of that from ONE grain of corn planted. Wheat is nice for flour, but more labor intensive with a smaller return. Learn how to use corn meal and corn flour instead.
If you can't grow stuff, make stuff to barter. barter will be King when inflation weakens the buying power of money to nothing. that will likely be our equivalent of "no money to buy stuff". Stuff you can make for trade, or labor itself, will be your buying power. Plus, the only people setting the value on that are you and whomever you are trading with - not government regulators trying to prop up a dying dollar.
My Dear Old Dad used to have me go out every spring and start collecting "weeds" which we called "greens" and ate. Things like wild lettuce, dandelions, goosefoot, field cress, sorrel, mint, and a lot of others. Pokeweed was one of them. Folks will tell you you can't eat it because it's poisonous, but I've eaten it until it was running out of my ears, and I'm still kicking high. It's all in how you prepare it, and if done right, you can eat it and it ain't bad. Kinda like manioc in South America - Indians eat it there all day long, but if it ain't prepared right, it'll turn your toes right up until you are pushing up daisies.
I remember when my own son was just a wee shit and I took him into the woods regularly to show him what he could and couldn't eat. His ma about had a calf, screaming that it was all "poison". But it ain't. I'm still alive to prove it, and he is, too.
Fertilizer prices? we're small scale farmers here, not corporate conglomerates. Make a deal with a local cattle farmer for all the manure he can haul in exchange for a share of the produce it grows. You both come out ahead.
Remember - you're not worried about feeding gunslingers in Chicago so they can keep on gang-bangin', your only worried about feeding your family, friends, and neighbors. This ain't gonna be the Globalist economy with "just on time delivery", it's going to be as local as it gets. If those Chicagoans can't feed themselves, then let 'em eat each other. Their problem, not yours. You didn't tell 'em to live in a Chicago ant hill with nothing but concrete to grow shit on. Your problem is the survival of you and your own community. Chicago, New York City, Los Angeles, San Fransisco, Denver - all these places can see to their own problems. their problems are no longer yours when it's right down to survival.
One of the key differences between now and Depression Days was that back then, the population was around 20% urban and 80% rural, and now that has flip-flopped. It hit 50/50 some time in the 1950's due to an increase in manufacturing jobs, and just kept climbing from there. That population shift to urban centers is going to bite a lot of folks in the ass, because they have too many mouths to feed, and will have no way to feed 'em. They got too reliant on a Globalist economy, expecting everything would always just be brought right to 'em... and now we have the greenies trying to destroy the transportation that made that happen.
This "integrated economy" is not all it was sold to them to be - pull out one nail - like fuel - the whole damned scaffold collapses. It's TOO interdependent.
Don't worry about the city folk - they'll be busy weeding each other out. You just worry about weeding out that garden patch.
ETA: This is a photo I took of my Dear Old Dad still plowing with pony power in 1974:
He's 24 years dead now. he ain't gonna care if I make him internet famous. We made that plow ourselves out of iron water pipe and a mild steel foot to cut the furrows. While we were at it, we also made a 5 foot (as in 5 legs and feet, not 5 foot long) cultivator to rip the weeds out from between the rows while the corn was growing. Dear Old Dad, he was a survivor. If he couldn't buy it, we made it.
Yet another ETA: Another thing about the population - 50% of the population, a full half of it, lives within 100 miles of the ocean. most of that lives in cities, and is gonna die. The survivors need to learn to render salt out of sea water, That will be their stock in trade, because salt is always in high demand. Your mission, James, should you decide to accept it, is determining a way to get that salt from the shore to the inland areas.
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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.
Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’
(03-22-2022, 04:26 AM)WonderCow Wrote: If the poop hits the oscillating device, remember that a lot of plants that are now considered weeds are edible. Now may be the time to pick up a good plant identification guide for your area. You'd be surprised how much free food is growing near you, even in a city.
I have been upgrading my knowledge of the local plant life around us. I was surprised at how much of the weeds were useful .
(03-22-2022, 04:26 AM)WonderCow Wrote: If the poop hits the oscillating device, remember that a lot of plants that are now considered weeds are edible. Now may be the time to pick up a good plant identification guide for your area. You'd be surprised how much free food is growing near you, even in a city.
I have been upgrading my knowledge of the local plant life around us. I was surprised at how much of the weeds were useful .
Don't forget medicinal plants, I'm growing St. John's wort so I can make this oil.
03-22-2022, 10:58 AM (This post was last modified: 03-22-2022, 11:08 AM by Ninurta.)
(03-22-2022, 10:46 AM)WonderCow Wrote:
(03-22-2022, 09:25 AM)kdog Wrote:
(03-22-2022, 04:26 AM)WonderCow Wrote: If the poop hits the oscillating device, remember that a lot of plants that are now considered weeds are edible. Now may be the time to pick up a good plant identification guide for your area. You'd be surprised how much free food is growing near you, even in a city.
I have been upgrading my knowledge of the local plant life around us. I was surprised at how much of the weeds were useful .
Don't forget medicinal plants, I'm growing St. John's wort so I can make this oil.
This grows wild here, like a weed, and you can find it in waste places and on roadsides in abundance. It had great big fuzzy, velvety leaves, and a spiky stalk topped with flowers grows from the middle of the rosette of leaves.. We used to use it as a remedy for pulmonary complaints When I was a kid and a teenager:
There are a lot of medicinal plants that grow wild here, like wild lettuce (pain), black willow (pain - it's where aspirin originally came from), catnip (nerves), peppermint (stomach ailments), and a plethora of others. You're right, it pays to learn the medicine plants.
My granny used to make cough syrup and "lung tonic" using mullein, wild cherry bark, and honey, and mixing it with moonshine.
Common mullein is all that I've ever found here. I've never seen that Greek Mullein.
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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.
Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’
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