My prediction for the election and what comes after. . . . . . .

[Antisthenes]

Sometimes the rhetoric filling these threads just becomes, astounding?

[kdog]

[Freija]

What Freja [sic] seems not to understand is that them fellas have no intention of "saving our democracy", since they view the Republic as a Constitutional Republic as it was founded rather than a Democracy as it was not. They intend to save the Republic, and give nary a shit about any democracies. They subscribe to the Founding Fathers' notion that a democracy is just two wolves and one sheep voting on what is for dinner. They believe that folks who actually live in Democracies should see to their own governments, but the notion does not apply in the US.

I’ve contended all along that I’m not politically very smart but isn’t sticking to the ideas set forth in the constitution as a Constitutional Republic and not as a straight democracy meant to avoid mob rule and are you saying we should do something other than follow the constitution?

Go easy on me. I’m not that bright or educated which you would think would put me in the tRUMP camp but doesn’t.

Did you notice any examples in that post of "Don the Con" (name-calling is indicative of a loss of argument- folks do it when they have no more substance to impart))

Maybe you misinterpreted? “Don the Con” was meant as total disrespect for a pompous, misogynistic, disgusting, unqualified and undignified pussy grabbing narcissistic egomaniacal reality TV playing blowhard. I wasn’t arguing anything – I was expressing an opinion.

…actually DOING anything "fascist" rather than just CALLING him fascist? There is a huge difference there - one is objective reality (when examples can be provided) and the other is just more foot-stomping, name-calling fear... now myself, I didn't notice any examples of actions to back up the accusation, just unsubstantiated accusation...

Being cognizant of invoking Godwin’s Law, this surge of flag waving populism or nationalism or whatever you call it and the cult like following of the man as if he were the second coming scares the living daylights out of me and is dangerously reminiscent of what ended Wiemar Republic by a certain cropped mustache individual that can go without further mention. As member of an unpopular minority, perhaps you can imagine my concerns?

I get it. People were tired of politics as usual and wanted to shake things up and try something different but electing what amounts to a WWE wrestling star with a big mouth, a bad comb over and a Twitter account was an experiment that has run its course and I fear another four years of this low brow clown show will be the end of this country as I’ve known it during my nearly sixty-six trips around the sun.

I am not the raging radical left or a libtard as anyone not aboard the trump train would like to believe but the country has gone backwards and our international reputation sullied under the reign of the Orange Emperor Palpatine and even if Sleepy Joe is not my ideal candidate, he got my vote anyway. #nevertrumpersrule

In all honesty, I am a simple person that has always been more of a single issue voter. I know very little about economics or foreign policy (other than stop fighting wars and being dickheads) and could even be a Republican were it not for the evangelical influence in their conservative policies.

[Wallfire]

What Freja [sic] seems not to understand is that them fellas have no intention of "saving our democracy", since they view the Republic as a Constitutional Republic as it was founded rather than a Democracy as it was not. They intend to save the Republic, and give nary a shit about any democracies. They subscribe to the Founding Fathers' notion that a democracy is just two wolves and one sheep voting on what is for dinner. They believe that folks who actually live in Democracies should see to their own governments, but the notion does not apply in the US.

I’ve contended all along that I’m not politically very smart but isn’t sticking to the ideas set forth in the constitution as a Constitutional Republic and not as a straight democracy meant to avoid mob rule and are you saying we should do something other than follow the constitution?

Go easy on me. I’m not that bright or educated which you would think would put me in the tRUMP camp but doesn’t.

Did you notice any examples in that post of "Don the Con" (name-calling is indicative of a loss of argument- folks do it when they have no more substance to impart))

Maybe you misinterpreted? “Don the Con” was meant as total disrespect for a pompous, misogynistic, disgusting, unqualified and undignified pussy grabbing narcissistic egomaniacal reality TV playing blowhard. I wasn’t arguing anything – I was expressing an opinion.

…actually DOING anything "fascist" rather than just CALLING him fascist? There is a huge difference there - one is objective reality (when examples can be provided) and the other is just more foot-stomping, name-calling fear... now myself, I didn't notice any examples of actions to back up the accusation, just unsubstantiated accusation...

Being cognizant of invoking Godwin’s Law, this surge of flag waving populism or nationalism or whatever you call it and the cult like following of the man as if he were the second coming scares the living daylights out of me and is dangerously reminiscent of what ended Wiemar Republic by a certain cropped mustache individual that can go without further mention. As member of an unpopular minority, perhaps you can imagine my concerns?

I get it. People were tired of politics as usual and wanted to shake things up and try something different but electing what amounts to a WWE wrestling star with a big mouth, a bad comb over and a Twitter account was an experiment that has run its course and I fear another four years of this low brow clown show will be the end of this country as I’ve known it during my nearly sixty-six trips around the sun.

I am not the raging radical left or a libtard as anyone not aboard the trump train would like to believe but the country has gone backwards and our international reputation sullied under the reign of the Orange Emperor Palpatine and even if Sleepy Joe is not my ideal candidate, he got my vote anyway. #nevertrumpersrule

In all honesty, I am a simple person that has always been more of a single issue voter. I know very little about economics or foreign policy (other than stop fighting wars and being dickheads) and could even be a Republican were it not for the evangelical influence in their conservative policies.

I think everyone need to stand back and drink some very hot coffee.

[beez]

Today's the day.

If Biden wins, we all lose.

If Trump wins. . . . then we might have a second chance.

[Ninurta]

I think everyone need to stand back and drink some very hot coffee.

I'm taking your advice - drinking hot black coffee, waking up, and hopefully sobering up before I respond.

In all honesty, I probably won't respond until later today, when we get back from voting and doctors and whatnot, which is going to take a while. We have to travel 30 miles to the doctor, and vote in two different, widely dispersed, precincts. One of us - I won't mention which - neglected to change her address at the election commission when we moved, so we have to travel to the old location for that vote. Luckily, it's near the doctor's office.

I should be reasonably sober by then... 

For right now, all I will say is frack Joe Biden, his plan to freeze me into submission, and the horse he rode in on.

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[BIAD]

I think everyone need to stand back and drink some very hot coffee.

I thuck your athvice and burnth my futhin' thongue!

[Ninurta]

I’ve contended all along that I’m not politically very smart but isn’t sticking to the ideas set forth in the constitution as a Constitutional Republic and not as a straight democracy meant to avoid mob rule and are you saying we should do something other than follow the constitution?

No ma'am. I'm saying that we should follow the Constitution, rather than the "ideas" set forth in in the Constitution. I mean the actual Constitution, what is written in it. See, the problem is that "ideas" are subject to "interpretation" and change without following the Amendment process, also listed in it. It says what it says, in plain words, until it is changed legally and no longer says what it did say before.

Go easy on me. I’m not that bright or educated which you would think would put me in the tRUMP camp but doesn’t.

I'm not overly bright either, but I AM fairly highly educated - in the hard sciences, physics specifically - and yet I am still in the Trump camp. Go figure. I put it down to the fact that it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to know whether one wants to be free or not.

Maybe you misinterpreted? “Don the Con” was meant as total disrespect for a pompous, misogynistic, disgusting, unqualified and undignified pussy grabbing narcissistic egomaniacal reality TV playing blowhard. I wasn’t arguing anything – I was expressing an opinion.

S'ok. Trump does exactly the same sort of name-calling thing, so you're in good company I guess. remember his "Pocahontas" gaffe when it was supposed to be "Faux-cahontas"?

Being cognizant of invoking Godwin’s Law, this surge of flag waving populism or nationalism or whatever you call it and the cult like following of the man as if he were the second coming scares the living daylights out of me and is dangerously reminiscent of what ended Wiemar Republic by a certain cropped mustache individual that can go without further mention. As member of an unpopular minority, perhaps you can imagine my concerns?

You don't like Populism? What is it about folks having a say in their own destiny - which is what Populism is ("of the people") - that you find objectionable? I can understand your concerns, I just happen to disagree with them for a variety of reasons. One is that I do not detect the correlations you seem to. I'm no fan of Trump, nor do I hang on his every word - that would be silly. The hand-grips there are too slippery. I do, however, recognize when someone else is hard after freedom and against the cage that is Socialism... and conversely, I know when someone is trying to shove Socialism down my throat. That is why I could not vote for Biden. I actually listened to his speeches, and was utterly horrified at what he has planned for us - and what his cronies have planned for us under his (actually Kamala's) administration is even worse.

I get it. People were tired of politics as usual and wanted to shake things up and try something different but electing what amounts to a WWE wrestling star with a big mouth, a bad comb over and a Twitter account was an experiment that has run its course and I fear another four years of this low brow clown show will be the end of this country as I’ve known it during my nearly sixty-six trips around the sun.

Is there anything specific and objective you can point to that makes you feel that way, or is it all just subjective, a "bad feeling"?

We are of a close age, and I seem to recall a vastly different country than you do. Trump's plans would lead us back to the country I recall, whereas Biden's plans would lead us to be a cognate of the old Soviet Union that you may recall as the Boogey Man from those long ago days. We've actually been moving in that direction for some time now, since the Soviet Union collapsed and King George Bush I (HW, before W, who continued the march) was in office, but as time goes on, the march to Soviet status seemed to be accelerating until Trump's Gong Show took the wheel, when it came to a grinding halt.

For the past 4 years, the Democrats were hard after trying to scare us with a dead empire ("The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!") when in fact a careful observer would note that it is they, not Trump, who were actually marching us in that Soviet direction. BUT - at least that occupied enough of their time that they couldn't do any further damage in their free time, since they didn't have any. The mind boggles. It's as if the US has been steadily moving in to fill the vacuum that the Soviets left when their way of life collapsed under it's own weight - WHY would we want that?

I am not the raging radical left or a libtard as anyone not aboard the trump train would like to believe but the country has gone backwards and our international reputation sullied under the reign of the Orange Emperor Palpatine and even if Sleepy Joe is not my ideal candidate, he got my vote anyway. #nevertrumpersrule

I never called you a "libtard". I've never called anyone a "libtard".  I've found name calling a distasteful thing ever since I grew beyond the schoolyard. Where is our international reputation sullied? In which countries? that's a serious question, not rhetorical. You may be able to educate me in something I am unaware of here. In China, probably. In North Korea and Iran, almost definitely. Probably Venezuela, too, among the leadership of those countries - but those folks are not the sort I strive to gain the respect of, anyhow. Is there someone else? Some other countries I am unaware of?

Your vote will do "Sleepy Joe" no good. He will not last as long as lightning on a limb before Harris, Pelosi, and The Squad move to have him evicted from the White House so they can install Harris in her new digs. Do you really think all that discussion in the House about the 25th Amendment was about Trump? Pelosi herself said openly that it was not, it was for "a future president" - she just didn't mention how close that future will be. Your vote for Biden is not doing him a favor, by any means. Should he win, it will actually accelerate his decline.

In all honesty, I am a simple person that has always been more of a single issue voter. I know very little about economics or foreign policy (other than stop fighting wars and being dickheads) and could even be a Republican were it not for the evangelical influence in their conservative policies.

I'm a simple person too, and a single issue voter. Nationally, that issue is "fight Marxism". Locally, the issue shifts to "leave my Second Amendment alone, in case I have to get serious about fighting Marxism".

Speaking of stopping fighting wars... no, I can't. I just can't. that one is too easy. I just had the same discussion a few days ago with a veteran friend of mine who thinks the sun rises in Biden's head and sets in Biden's ass. It rocked his worldview considerably. He had no answers to my statements, and it ended the conversation. I'm not after a conversation stopper here.

I was raised a Republican, and was a Republican for a number of years into adulthood, until the Neocons did their hostile takeover of the Republican party and swung it hard to the Left. That gave us things like the Bush Dynasty, and I was not on board with a Conservative march towards Marxism, nor did I want to be part of a "leftist Lite" party, so I left the Republicans. Or they left me. It was one or the other, but we went our separate ways. I may return to it some day, if I live long enough to see the Leftist Neocons entirely purged from it, but for now I am a man without a party.

Terrible place to be.

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[Antisthenes]

This drivel isn't fit for its own thread so this is as good a place as any. It is what is, as the king would pontificate. You guys tore it up and I'm prepared to admit that this is what America wants. I'm appalled and amazed, but not surprised. Congratulations and I hope you are the patriots you all claim to be.
     I have to share that I am shattered. Not because a Republican won, but rather because this thug did. No reflection on you folk, by the by. I found many of you fun and a few of you actually quite charming. You know who you are (-;
   Anyways, be well kids. Take care of the old girl, polish her torch from time to time and keep a jaundiced eye on those Trumps. They may seem like a means to an end, but they're quite dangerous. It's all in your hands now.
   I have slipped down the path of the Apolitical and will make the best of the faculties I have remaining. Now go get Covid under wraps because you have loved ones and this shit is real as well as so I can use my Passport for something other than a coaster.
  I know I aggravated some of you, but it was all in an effort to create some introspection towards my point  of view and yank some content from your souls.
    Okay, I'm either off to get a Peleton and join the vapid self involved set or force my cats to walk on a leash. Thinking the fotmer? Anyways, you guys were a hoot. Enjoy your win and make your new country shine, shine, shine. I will be of licking my wounds and crying. Just kidding. I'll be burning down my cycle! Gonna spin the bearings off this bitch. Your old pal, Antisthenes

[beez]

Well shit.

Sometimes I hate being right.

[Ninurta]

This drivel isn't fit for its own thread so this is as good a place as any. It is what is, as the king would pontificate. You guys tore it up and I'm prepared to admit that this is what America wants. I'm appalled and amazed, but not surprised. Congratulations and I hope you are the patriots you all claim to be.
     I have to share that I am shattered. Not because a Republican won, but rather because this thug did. No reflection on you folk, by the by. I found many of you fun and a few of you actually quite charming. You know who you are (-;
   Anyways, be well kids. Take care of the old girl, polish her torch from time to time and keep a jaundiced eye on those Trumps. They may seem like a means to an end, but they're quite dangerous. It's all in your hands now.
   I have slipped down the path of the Apolitical and will make the best of the faculties I have remaining. Now go get Covid under wraps because you have loved ones and this shit is real as well as so I can use my Passport for something other than a coaster.
  I know I aggravated some of you, but it was all in an effort to create some introspection towards my point  of view and yank some content from your souls.
    Okay, I'm either off to get a Peleton and join the vapid self involved set or force my cats to walk on a leash. Thinking the fotmer? Anyways, you guys were a hoot. Enjoy your win and make your new country shine, shine, shine. I will be of licking my wounds and crying. Just kidding. I'll be burning down my cycle! Gonna spin the bearings off this bitch.        Your old pal, Antisthenes

I'm gonna tell you the same thing I told Grace.

See, she has been generally out of sorts all day long because "Biden has won". You are upset because "Trump has won".

Fact is, NEITHER has won yet. Neither one. The results have been seesawing for 24 hours now, with no end in sight and apparently litigation in the offing.

SO - what I've told Grace, and what I am telling you, is: "it ain't over until the fat lady sings". We're going to be in for weeks, if not months, of this. Buckle up, baby, this is gonna be a hell of a ride! And don't worry - I have your back if Evil Orange Stormtroopers come knocking... but I have to wonder who has mine if it goes the other way? I can't spring for a Peleton, so I'll probably just go down to the parts store and get some wheel bearings to sit around on my ass and spin by hand all day.

It's the simple things in life, isn't it?

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[NightskyeB4Dawn]

I'm gonna tell you the same thing I told Grace.

See, she has been generally out of sorts all day long because "Biden has won". You are upset because "Trump has won".

Fact is, NEITHER has won yet. Neither one. The results have been seesawing for 24 hours now, with no end in sight and apparently litigation in the offing.

SO - what I've told Grace, and what I am telling you, is: "it ain't over until the fat lady sings". We're going to be in for weeks, if not months, of this. Buckle up, baby, this is gonna be a hell of a ride! And don't worry - I have your back if Evil Orange Stormtroopers come knocking... but I have to wonder who has mine if it goes the other way? I can't spring for a Peleton, so I'll probably just go down to the parts store and get some wheel bearings to sit around on my ass and spin by hand all day.

It's the simple things in life, isn't it?

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I was out all day today and happened to be in several parts of the city. I live in the woods and of course it is quiet out here. You would never know we are one day after election, waiting for the fat lady to sing. It was quiet, actually downright peaceful, even in the city.

I think the masses are tired. We have had bad Presidents before. We will make it through a Trump or a Biden presidency. 

I think most people just want the fat lady to belt it out of the park. We have lives that need living. The internet will find something else to get us worked up about.

[Sol]

Up north, Canada is following the results.

Prime Minister Trudeau says he will support whoever wins; that is stating that if Trump wins, America's policy of America First will continue. If Bidens wins, that is stating that - hell, I don't even know myself what that is stating.

Georgia just flipped, Pennsylvania looks like it's about to flip. Looks like it's going to be a "who knows what's coming" win in the works, A.K.A. Biden Harris.

Doesn't change the fact that I hate COVID.

And 2020.

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[F2d5thCav]

Georgia announced a recount will be done.  No idea if that will change anything.

Cheers

[F2d5thCav]

"what comes after"



Cheers

[PLOTUS]

Up north, Canada is following the results.

Prime Minister Trudeau says he will support whoever wins; that is stating that if Trump wins, America's policy of America First will continue. If Bidens wins, that is stating that - hell, I don't even know myself what that is stating.

Georgia just flipped, Pennsylvania looks like it's about to flip. Looks like it's going to be a "who knows what's coming" win in the works, A.K.A. Biden Harris.

Doesn't change the fact that I hate COVID.

And 2020.

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"Prime Minister Trudeau says he will support whoever wins; that is stating that if Trump wins, America's policy of America First will continue. If Bidens wins, that is stating that - hell, I don't even know myself what that is stating." 

When you said that..... made me think to myself. Biden's open to the highest bidder and secondly were SO screwed (and other adjectives) In all the noise and bs, I don't think Bidens has ever really fully established a concrete platform or what he wants as policy for the US.

[F2d5thCav]

I don't think Bidens has ever really fully established a concrete platform or what he wants as policy for the US.

No problem.  Barry the Big Boy Scout already has that figured out for Jojo.

Cheers

[Ninurta]

"what comes after"



Cheers

More like the remake of Red Dawn that was done in 2009 pr 2010, where the now dead Soviet communist empires were replaced by a CCP invasion instead...

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[Ninurta]

Up north, Canada is following the results.

Prime Minister Trudeau says he will support whoever wins; that is stating that if Trump wins, America's policy of America First will continue. If Bidens wins, that is stating that - hell, I don't even know myself what that is stating.

Georgia just flipped, Pennsylvania looks like it's about to flip. Looks like it's going to be a "who knows what's coming" win in the works, A.K.A. Biden Harris.

Doesn't change the fact that I hate COVID.

And 2020.

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"Prime Minister Trudeau says he will support whoever wins; that is stating that if Trump wins, America's policy of America First will continue. If Bidens wins, that is stating that - hell, I don't even know myself what that is stating." 

When you said that..... made me think to myself. Biden's open to the highest bidder and secondly were SO screwed (and other adjectives) In all the noise and bs, I don't think Bidens has ever really fully established a concrete platform or what he wants as policy for the US.

As nearly as I can tell, he's been running on increasing taxes, enslaving the population, and turning everything over to the CCP, so that's the only policy platform I've heard out of him. He seems intent on "bringing the country together" by making everyone equal - equally miserable.

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