I apologise for seemingly going over ground we've already covered, but to understand such a cover-up of such magnitude, the
basic logistics need to be really emphasised. The nine days that William 'Mac' Brazel was confined to the Roswell Army Air
Base, the need to stem or steer information coming out of a local newspaper and flights to and from Fort Worth, these things
are not indicative of routine identification of discarded weather-balloons.
You see, what tends to happen when discussing events from the past is we tend to place certain characters of the event on
particular levels that we imagine deserve some form of 'automatic' belief. An officer in the military has mature responsibilities and
we assume is truthful and virtuous, a Sheriff of a town is law-abiding and like the officer, cannot be swayed from their duties by
trivial matters.
For such a narrative to work, these characters need to be riveted into these positions with words that imply dignity, courage and
honesty. Mac Brazel can lie, but General Ramey can't. Major Marcel can be mistaken, but can't be accused of deliberate falsehood.
In reality -of course, they all can lie, it's just the consequences of those lies that have an effect on their respective lives.
Lie for your nation's security, no problem. Tell the truth and threaten that security, is that any worse in the eyes of those tasked with
providing that security?
But... Brig. General Dubose said in his affidavit:
"The weather balloon explanation for the material was a cover story to divert the attention of the press."
And RAAF public information officer Walter Haut said:
"...I was permitted from a safe distance to first observe the object just recovered north of town.
It was approximately 12 to 15 feet in length, not quite as wide, about 6 feet high, and more of an egg shape.
Lighting was poor, but its surface did appear metallic. No windows, portholes, wings, tail section, or landing
gear were visible.
Also from a distance, I was able to see a couple of bodies under a canvas tarpaulin.
Only the heads extended beyond the covering, and I was not able to make out any features.
The heads did appear larger than normal and the contour of the canvas suggested the size of a 10 year old child.
At a later date in Blanchard's office, he would extend his arm about 4 feet above the floor to indicate the height..."
(Phyllis Wilcox McGuire, Daughter of Roswell Sheriff George Wilcox)
"...When I read in the Roswell paper about the Flying Saucer being found, I went into his [her father's]
office to ask about it... I asked my father if he thought the information about the saucer was true.
He said: 'I don't know why Brazel [sic] ... would come all the way in here if there wasn't something to it.'
He said Brazel had brought in some of the material to show, and that it looked like tinfoil, (a material like
aluminum foil), but when you wadded this material up it would come right back to its original shape.
He felt it was an important finding and he sent deputies out to investigate."
Were they not being the upstanding people we're supposed to take them for...? Were they lying?
Maybe that ingrained trust of solemn-looking military folk -that we grew-up on from the movies, isn't the narrative
we first thought.
..................................................
During my perusals of websites and what meagre physical information I have, what strikes me is the way that outright statements
of intent are presented without any concern that the sole reason why Mac Brazel couldn't tell a weather-balloon from an intergalactic
spacecraft is solely based on the material's appearance.
The simple-minded rancher -because anyone not with letters after their name cannot rationalise a situation like educated people,
mistook the remains of top-secret high-altitude experiment for debris belonging to a vehicle that wasn't of this Earth. It's odd that
he was smarter than the scientists to locate this alleged balloon, but not scholarly to understand what it was.
But this assumption gained weight, when Major Jesse Marcel also believed the bits of sheep-scaring fabric that he and a cohort
collected from the desert didn't seem like conventional material and could be said to be beyond his understanding.
This stance became solid enough that Marcel's superior -Colonel Blanchard ordered his PR Officer to tell the world that the 509th
Operations Group of the Roswell Base had captured a flying-saucer.
Up the line of command it went, with General Roger Ramey of Fort Worth demanding that the boxes of remnants to be flown to Texas
on aircraft far-too large for the unusual cargo, in the hope that this 'disc' could be examined properly.
Article run by the Corsicana Daily Sun on July 9, 1947.
Army Disc-ounts New Mexico Find As Weather Gear.
'... Warrant Officer Irving Newton, forecaster at the Army Air Forces weather stations here,
said "we use them because they can go much higher than the eye can see"...'
Oh sh*t, that put the kibosh on the flying-saucer theory!
Irving Newton was quoted to have said about the incident:
"..I walked into the General's office where this supposed flying saucer was lying all over the floor.
As soon as I saw it, I giggled and asked if that was the flying saucer ... I told them that this was a
balloon and a RAWIN target..."
Newton also stated that "..while I was examining the debris, Major Marcel was picking up pieces
of the target sticks and trying to convince me that some notations on the sticks were alien writings.
There were figures on the sticks, lavender or pink in color, appeared to be weather faded markings,
with no rhyme or reason. He did not convince me that these were alien writings."
Still, it does help us with rationalising a timeline.
A Top-Secret Project Involving A Multitude Of Balloons And Specialised Equipment is released into the skies of New Mexico
on an unspecified date, but supposedly before Brazel's find.
Bill Brazel obviously didn't know about the experiment and what he found wasn't something he felt was usual.
This discovery prompted him enough to change his routine for debatable reasons, fame, money, etc. and use his own money
to relate the information to a town's Custodian.
Major Marcel didn't know about the secret test, but believed the remains were not standard. He allegedly showed his loved-ones
the material and dared to offer an explanation that he trusted. That or he willingly lied to his family for unknown reasons.
Colonel Blanchard can't have been told from anyone involved about the supposedly covert experiment and reacted by issuing a
startling press release. Blanchard had personally examined some of the debris and even though he''d be aware that he was
gambling that his career could be negatively effected, confidently notified the Press.
General Ramey also can't have been aware of Project Mogul because he wouldn't have ordered the assumed simple remains of a
balloon to be flown all the way to Fort Worth for identification of something so sensitive as 'spying' on the Soviets. Adding that
Ramey also felt the importance of the discovery was enough for him to fly from Fort Worth to the Roswell Base for his own
examination, a damaged weather-balloon seems more than reactive.
The media-display on the floor of his office would not only embarrass fellow Officers -Blanchard and Marcel, it would hint that the
US defence systems can also over-react at times without a steady hand at the tiller.
That steady hand seemed to come in the form of a Warrant Officer in Texas called 'Newton'.
He supposedly recognised the remains because he was quoted as using these types of weather-balloon regularly.
A confusing comment considering Wikipedia (I apologise, but this is how they want you to use the internet!)... Wikipedia states:
Really...? A set of experienced military men -but presumably with 'untrained eyes', failed to distinguish material that were -in one
sentence, in everyday use in that area of New Mexico and then said to have 'extremely odd' characteristics due to the specific nature
of the experiment.
But only a Warrant Officer could identify them?
Before we frown at Irving Newton's ruining of a perfectly-good UFO-crash narrative, his answers in a 1997 interview could explain why
he was confounded at his fellow military officers' belief that remains of a flying saucer had been found on the New Mexico desert floor.
When asked why the residents and Army personnel of Roswell were unable to identify a weather-balloon, Newton responded:
"They certainly should have. It was a regular Rawin sonde. They must have seen hundreds of them."
Logic would demand that Officer Newton was correct in what he observed in General Ramey's office, but that isn't to say the material
was the same that Brazel, Marcel, Rickett, Cavitt, Blanchard and Ramey witnessed back in Roswell. A switcher-roo?!
It would also go some way to explain Irving Newton's scoffing at Marcel's claims.
And if the scraps that Brazel found were so mundane, why did SAC chief Gen. Clemence McMullen in Washington order the remains to
be immediately shipped to Washington from Fort Worth by "colonel courier" under the strictest secrecy?
(As it turned out, an acting base commander Col. Alvin Clark at Fort Worth ended up as McMullen's "colonel courier.")
..................................................
Of course, there is another answer here, one that would inflate the story bigger than any weather-balloon and would lay to rest why the
list above were unable to recognise what they were seeing and explain why Warrant Officer Newton identified the material he saw as the
remains of a meteorological experiment.
It would involve two locations and one would be more significant than the other. The Foster Ranch-discovery was out of the bag before
the military could make a move to fix it. But the one where an actual vehicle had came to rest was taken control of and it's this one they
had to hide from media eyes.
Hide by distraction.
Yes, the material that Newton observed were weather-balloon remains because that was what lay in Ramey's office.
But the other debris -and bodies that Walter Haut swore that he saw never reached Fort Worth, that went to Wright Patterson.
Moving the situation from Roswell was important, it dragged the media's attention away from any clearing-up that still needed to be done.
Hence the later reported military road-blocks around the areas of the Foster Ranch and Capitan.
Master Sergeant Robert R. Porter was on the Base in July 1947 and was also ordered -due to his role in maintaining aircraft like the B-29,
to 'chaperone' the material to Fort Worth. Later in a 1991 statement, he said:
"The people on board included: Lt. Col. Payne Jennings, the Deputy Commander of the base; Lt. Col. Robert I. Barrowclough;
Maj. Herb Wunderlich; Maj. Jesse Marcel and M/Sgt. Robert R. Porter, Flight Engineer.
Capt. William E. Anderson said it was from a flying saucer.
After we arrived, the material was transferred to a B-25. I was told they were going to Wright Field in Dayton, Ohio."
Whether this was first flight to Fort Worth or the second less-spoken about second flight, is unknown.
.............................................
But I believe it's the flight to Wright Field in Dayton, the one flown by Captain Oliver Wendell Henderson also nicknamed 'Pappy', is where
we should look next. Pappy Henderson had flown thirty missions in B-24 Liberator bombers in Europe during WWII and had participated in
the post-war A-bomb tests in Operation Crossroads at the Bikini Atoll.
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Capt. Pappy Henderson.
Dr. John Kromschroeder -a dentist and close friend of Henderson said that 1978, Pappy told him that he had witnessed alien bodies during
his time stationed at Roswell. Being a student of metallurgy, Kromschroeder stated that Captain Henderson also showed him a scrap of the
material from a wreckage that:
"...looked like a piece of aluminum, but was harder and stiffer. He tried to bend it but could not.
Henderson told him that the piece came from the lining of the ship. He said that when it was
energised, it produced illumination..."
We've already mentioned Henderson's wife, Sappho, who stated that her husband told her about his flight to Wright Field and how the
small bodies he witnessed 'had been packed in dry ice'. His daughter, Mary Kathryn Groode, is also to have said that while looking at the
stars one night with her father, she asked him what he was looking for.
He told her "I'm looking for flying saucers. They're real, you know."
Also in 1981, while she was visiting her parents' home, her father showed her a newspaper article on the Roswell UFO crash and the
recovery of alien bodies. Pappy told her that he had seen the crashed vehicle and the bodies, and that he was the pilot who had flown
the materials to Ohio.
His description was of three, small and pale humanoids. They had 'big heads and slanted eyes' and added that he could tell her now,
because the story had been published.
Shall we add Pappy Henderson to the Liars List too...?! How far shall we go before we lose the idea that secrets, responsibilities and
national security seem to be so sacrosanct, that those who live with such duties feel the need to lie to loved-ones long after their
interaction with the hidden event?
Or does logic say that all of these people held to keep the notion of a downed unknown craft secret then and merely did their jobs until
their roles were over?
The Wright-Patterson Base needs to be looked at.
basic logistics need to be really emphasised. The nine days that William 'Mac' Brazel was confined to the Roswell Army Air
Base, the need to stem or steer information coming out of a local newspaper and flights to and from Fort Worth, these things
are not indicative of routine identification of discarded weather-balloons.
You see, what tends to happen when discussing events from the past is we tend to place certain characters of the event on
particular levels that we imagine deserve some form of 'automatic' belief. An officer in the military has mature responsibilities and
we assume is truthful and virtuous, a Sheriff of a town is law-abiding and like the officer, cannot be swayed from their duties by
trivial matters.
For such a narrative to work, these characters need to be riveted into these positions with words that imply dignity, courage and
honesty. Mac Brazel can lie, but General Ramey can't. Major Marcel can be mistaken, but can't be accused of deliberate falsehood.
In reality -of course, they all can lie, it's just the consequences of those lies that have an effect on their respective lives.
Lie for your nation's security, no problem. Tell the truth and threaten that security, is that any worse in the eyes of those tasked with
providing that security?
But... Brig. General Dubose said in his affidavit:
"The weather balloon explanation for the material was a cover story to divert the attention of the press."
And RAAF public information officer Walter Haut said:
"...I was permitted from a safe distance to first observe the object just recovered north of town.
It was approximately 12 to 15 feet in length, not quite as wide, about 6 feet high, and more of an egg shape.
Lighting was poor, but its surface did appear metallic. No windows, portholes, wings, tail section, or landing
gear were visible.
Also from a distance, I was able to see a couple of bodies under a canvas tarpaulin.
Only the heads extended beyond the covering, and I was not able to make out any features.
The heads did appear larger than normal and the contour of the canvas suggested the size of a 10 year old child.
At a later date in Blanchard's office, he would extend his arm about 4 feet above the floor to indicate the height..."
(Phyllis Wilcox McGuire, Daughter of Roswell Sheriff George Wilcox)
"...When I read in the Roswell paper about the Flying Saucer being found, I went into his [her father's]
office to ask about it... I asked my father if he thought the information about the saucer was true.
He said: 'I don't know why Brazel [sic] ... would come all the way in here if there wasn't something to it.'
He said Brazel had brought in some of the material to show, and that it looked like tinfoil, (a material like
aluminum foil), but when you wadded this material up it would come right back to its original shape.
He felt it was an important finding and he sent deputies out to investigate."
Were they not being the upstanding people we're supposed to take them for...? Were they lying?
Maybe that ingrained trust of solemn-looking military folk -that we grew-up on from the movies, isn't the narrative
we first thought.
..................................................
During my perusals of websites and what meagre physical information I have, what strikes me is the way that outright statements
of intent are presented without any concern that the sole reason why Mac Brazel couldn't tell a weather-balloon from an intergalactic
spacecraft is solely based on the material's appearance.
The simple-minded rancher -because anyone not with letters after their name cannot rationalise a situation like educated people,
mistook the remains of top-secret high-altitude experiment for debris belonging to a vehicle that wasn't of this Earth. It's odd that
he was smarter than the scientists to locate this alleged balloon, but not scholarly to understand what it was.
But this assumption gained weight, when Major Jesse Marcel also believed the bits of sheep-scaring fabric that he and a cohort
collected from the desert didn't seem like conventional material and could be said to be beyond his understanding.
This stance became solid enough that Marcel's superior -Colonel Blanchard ordered his PR Officer to tell the world that the 509th
Operations Group of the Roswell Base had captured a flying-saucer.
Up the line of command it went, with General Roger Ramey of Fort Worth demanding that the boxes of remnants to be flown to Texas
on aircraft far-too large for the unusual cargo, in the hope that this 'disc' could be examined properly.
Article run by the Corsicana Daily Sun on July 9, 1947.
Army Disc-ounts New Mexico Find As Weather Gear.
'... Warrant Officer Irving Newton, forecaster at the Army Air Forces weather stations here,
said "we use them because they can go much higher than the eye can see"...'
Oh sh*t, that put the kibosh on the flying-saucer theory!
Irving Newton was quoted to have said about the incident:
"..I walked into the General's office where this supposed flying saucer was lying all over the floor.
As soon as I saw it, I giggled and asked if that was the flying saucer ... I told them that this was a
balloon and a RAWIN target..."
Newton also stated that "..while I was examining the debris, Major Marcel was picking up pieces
of the target sticks and trying to convince me that some notations on the sticks were alien writings.
There were figures on the sticks, lavender or pink in color, appeared to be weather faded markings,
with no rhyme or reason. He did not convince me that these were alien writings."
Still, it does help us with rationalising a timeline.
A Top-Secret Project Involving A Multitude Of Balloons And Specialised Equipment is released into the skies of New Mexico
on an unspecified date, but supposedly before Brazel's find.
Bill Brazel obviously didn't know about the experiment and what he found wasn't something he felt was usual.
This discovery prompted him enough to change his routine for debatable reasons, fame, money, etc. and use his own money
to relate the information to a town's Custodian.
Major Marcel didn't know about the secret test, but believed the remains were not standard. He allegedly showed his loved-ones
the material and dared to offer an explanation that he trusted. That or he willingly lied to his family for unknown reasons.
Colonel Blanchard can't have been told from anyone involved about the supposedly covert experiment and reacted by issuing a
startling press release. Blanchard had personally examined some of the debris and even though he''d be aware that he was
gambling that his career could be negatively effected, confidently notified the Press.
General Ramey also can't have been aware of Project Mogul because he wouldn't have ordered the assumed simple remains of a
balloon to be flown all the way to Fort Worth for identification of something so sensitive as 'spying' on the Soviets. Adding that
Ramey also felt the importance of the discovery was enough for him to fly from Fort Worth to the Roswell Base for his own
examination, a damaged weather-balloon seems more than reactive.
The media-display on the floor of his office would not only embarrass fellow Officers -Blanchard and Marcel, it would hint that the
US defence systems can also over-react at times without a steady hand at the tiller.
That steady hand seemed to come in the form of a Warrant Officer in Texas called 'Newton'.
He supposedly recognised the remains because he was quoted as using these types of weather-balloon regularly.
A confusing comment considering Wikipedia (I apologise, but this is how they want you to use the internet!)... Wikipedia states:
Quote:"...Unlike a weather balloon, the Project Mogul paraphernalia was massive and contained unusual types of materials,
according to research conducted by The New York Times: "...squadrons of big balloons ... It was like having an elephant
in your backyard and hoping that no one would notice it. ... To the untrained eye, the reflectors looked extremely odd, a
geometrical hash of lightweight sticks and sharp angles made of metal foil. .. photographs of it, taken in 1947 and
published in newspapers, show bits and pieces of what are obviously collapsed balloons and radar reflectors..."
Really...? A set of experienced military men -but presumably with 'untrained eyes', failed to distinguish material that were -in one
sentence, in everyday use in that area of New Mexico and then said to have 'extremely odd' characteristics due to the specific nature
of the experiment.
But only a Warrant Officer could identify them?
Before we frown at Irving Newton's ruining of a perfectly-good UFO-crash narrative, his answers in a 1997 interview could explain why
he was confounded at his fellow military officers' belief that remains of a flying saucer had been found on the New Mexico desert floor.
When asked why the residents and Army personnel of Roswell were unable to identify a weather-balloon, Newton responded:
"They certainly should have. It was a regular Rawin sonde. They must have seen hundreds of them."
Logic would demand that Officer Newton was correct in what he observed in General Ramey's office, but that isn't to say the material
was the same that Brazel, Marcel, Rickett, Cavitt, Blanchard and Ramey witnessed back in Roswell. A switcher-roo?!
It would also go some way to explain Irving Newton's scoffing at Marcel's claims.
And if the scraps that Brazel found were so mundane, why did SAC chief Gen. Clemence McMullen in Washington order the remains to
be immediately shipped to Washington from Fort Worth by "colonel courier" under the strictest secrecy?
(As it turned out, an acting base commander Col. Alvin Clark at Fort Worth ended up as McMullen's "colonel courier.")
..................................................
Of course, there is another answer here, one that would inflate the story bigger than any weather-balloon and would lay to rest why the
list above were unable to recognise what they were seeing and explain why Warrant Officer Newton identified the material he saw as the
remains of a meteorological experiment.
It would involve two locations and one would be more significant than the other. The Foster Ranch-discovery was out of the bag before
the military could make a move to fix it. But the one where an actual vehicle had came to rest was taken control of and it's this one they
had to hide from media eyes.
Hide by distraction.
Yes, the material that Newton observed were weather-balloon remains because that was what lay in Ramey's office.
But the other debris -and bodies that Walter Haut swore that he saw never reached Fort Worth, that went to Wright Patterson.
Moving the situation from Roswell was important, it dragged the media's attention away from any clearing-up that still needed to be done.
Hence the later reported military road-blocks around the areas of the Foster Ranch and Capitan.
Master Sergeant Robert R. Porter was on the Base in July 1947 and was also ordered -due to his role in maintaining aircraft like the B-29,
to 'chaperone' the material to Fort Worth. Later in a 1991 statement, he said:
"The people on board included: Lt. Col. Payne Jennings, the Deputy Commander of the base; Lt. Col. Robert I. Barrowclough;
Maj. Herb Wunderlich; Maj. Jesse Marcel and M/Sgt. Robert R. Porter, Flight Engineer.
Capt. William E. Anderson said it was from a flying saucer.
After we arrived, the material was transferred to a B-25. I was told they were going to Wright Field in Dayton, Ohio."
Whether this was first flight to Fort Worth or the second less-spoken about second flight, is unknown.
.............................................
But I believe it's the flight to Wright Field in Dayton, the one flown by Captain Oliver Wendell Henderson also nicknamed 'Pappy', is where
we should look next. Pappy Henderson had flown thirty missions in B-24 Liberator bombers in Europe during WWII and had participated in
the post-war A-bomb tests in Operation Crossroads at the Bikini Atoll.
Capt. Pappy Henderson.
Dr. John Kromschroeder -a dentist and close friend of Henderson said that 1978, Pappy told him that he had witnessed alien bodies during
his time stationed at Roswell. Being a student of metallurgy, Kromschroeder stated that Captain Henderson also showed him a scrap of the
material from a wreckage that:
"...looked like a piece of aluminum, but was harder and stiffer. He tried to bend it but could not.
Henderson told him that the piece came from the lining of the ship. He said that when it was
energised, it produced illumination..."
We've already mentioned Henderson's wife, Sappho, who stated that her husband told her about his flight to Wright Field and how the
small bodies he witnessed 'had been packed in dry ice'. His daughter, Mary Kathryn Groode, is also to have said that while looking at the
stars one night with her father, she asked him what he was looking for.
He told her "I'm looking for flying saucers. They're real, you know."
Also in 1981, while she was visiting her parents' home, her father showed her a newspaper article on the Roswell UFO crash and the
recovery of alien bodies. Pappy told her that he had seen the crashed vehicle and the bodies, and that he was the pilot who had flown
the materials to Ohio.
His description was of three, small and pale humanoids. They had 'big heads and slanted eyes' and added that he could tell her now,
because the story had been published.
Shall we add Pappy Henderson to the Liars List too...?! How far shall we go before we lose the idea that secrets, responsibilities and
national security seem to be so sacrosanct, that those who live with such duties feel the need to lie to loved-ones long after their
interaction with the hidden event?
Or does logic say that all of these people held to keep the notion of a downed unknown craft secret then and merely did their jobs until
their roles were over?
The Wright-Patterson Base needs to be looked at.
Edith Head Gives Good Wardrobe.