(08-14-2017, 05:55 PM)Armonica_Templar Wrote:

(08-14-2017, 10:29 AM)DuckforcoveR Wrote: Wow...

This was a terror attack. Whether or not people were protesting something is irrelevant. 

And baseball bats & pepper spray? Against a bunch of nazi sympathizers (better?) chanting "white power" with rifles???

I respectfully disagree

Peaceful protest is unarmed

I do have to pause
Which side is the terrorist?

(08-14-2017, 02:19 AM)DuckforcoveR Wrote: So, voice an opinion peacefully and it's totally cool to be mowed the fuck down by a car? Post one damn comment about a terror attack in the future and I'll be there waiting. Not that you care (you just said that you don't) but I just want the opportunity to bash your hypocrisy.

(08-14-2017, 02:26 AM)DuckforcoveR Wrote: Before everyone bashes "who is right and who is wrong" there were seriosuly NAZIS marching through the streets of an American state. Fully fucking armed and marching. I'm all for free speech but if you don't expect a response after millions of our compatriots  died to supress that then fuck off.

This wasnt "thugs against police" or "hippies against 'the man' yo" these are pure blooded nazi sympathizers. Dont f'n mistake that.

Yes, they have freedom to their obsird speech. Yes, they have the freedom to assemble. But fucking run people over because they tried to shout out a bunch of hitler loving cunts? 

I swore a lot, sorry.

But dont give me any bullshit about blood you spilt when I lost a quarter of my bloodline in WW2 because these nazi fucks.

DFC

(08-14-2017, 02:42 AM)DuckforcoveR Wrote: @"Ninurta" 

Quote:"She was there with her friends, and she was trying to simply cross the street as the movement was breaking up that day, and she was plowed down by a young man who was intent on spreading hate and thought hate would fix the world," Heyer's mother, Susan Bro, told NBC News. "And hate does not fix the world."

you're "dumb Darwin award winner"

VICTIM

Quote:Heyer, who worked for a law firm in nearby Ruckersville, Virginia, had decided to travel to Charlottesville to join a group of counter-protesters, her family said.

(08-14-2017, 10:29 AM)DuckforcoveR Wrote: Wow...

This was a terror attack. Whether or not people were protesting something is irrelevant. 

And baseball bats & pepper spray? Against a bunch of nazi sympathizers (better?) chanting "white power" with rifles???

Quote:This past weekend I was honored to be in a most picturesque place with some great and hospitable folks in Prescott (Yavapai County) Arizona. I was there to address the Republican Women of Prescott, the nation’s largest Republican women’s club, on their 75th anniversary. The scenery there was just breathtaking and there was just a sense of solemnness that we all need experience from time to time. How great a contrast it was from what was happening across the country in Charlottesville, Virginia.

Let me begin by saying, I deplore any form of supremacist view — white, black, Hispanic, Islamic. I will be the first to openly state and embrace, a sense of American exceptionalism and supremacy that is rooted in our founding principles and values. Any and all else that is contradictory is to be condemned. What I have witnessed post the events of Saturday 12 August is the typical Rahm Emanuel mentality and political posturing: “never let a good crisis go to waste.”

Therefore, I seek to assess what really happened in Charlottesville, Virginia.
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First, may God rest the soul of 32-year-old Heather Heyer who tragically lost her life. My sincere condolences to her, her family, and those others who were injured. I fully support seeking the death penalty for 20-year-old James Alex Fields Jr. of Ohio who committed this horrific act of violence. But, how did we get to this place?

This all began because someone decided, as other elected officials have across the country, to cave in to partisan political pressures and seek to erase American history. History is not there for us to love or hate, but for us to learn from and seek to not repeat its mistakes.

If there are those who truly believe we protect ourselves by trying to revise history due to false emotions, then we miss out on who we are as a nation, and our evolution. The statues of long since deceased leaders of the Confederate Army do not stand to remind anyone of oppression. And if a statue can oppress you, then I submit that you have greater issues.



I certainly did not appreciate former President Barack Obama taking a photo op in Cuba before the image of Che Guevara, nor do I enjoy seeing anyone wearing said image on t-shirts here in America…but I do not go into some whimsical state of “oppression.”

And so it is that we do possess in this Constitutional Republic a freedom of speech and freedom of expression. It would appear that said group who didn’t wish to see the statue of Virginian, General Robert E. Lee, who was a commissioned U.S. Army officer, graduate of West Point, and served the nation in the Mexican War, taken down did apply for a permit to hold a rally. We can dislike these individuals, but they took proper measures to secure permission to express their First Amendment right.

Contrary to their position, the word went out for a counter-protest to occur which included groups from a different side of the political spectrum, who have also been very guilty of hateful rhetoric and violence. What should have happened is that these two groups should have been kept miles apart. I do not understanding why any local law enforcement agency would allow these two groups close proximity…first lesson learned. And we must also ascertain, did the counter-protest group seek permit or did they just “show up” in order to provoke, and elicit a response they could use “politically?” Yes, motivations are important to understand in this case, if we’re serious about getting to the bottom of what happened in Charlottesville and not just the typical media-driven frenzy.


I find it rather odd that so many are seeking to lay blame on President Trump for what happened in Charlottesville. And there are some voices out there who want to blame all white people, and all Republicans. How odd that when it was the New Black Panther Party outside a voting precinct in Philadelphia in black fatigues and with clubs, nothing was said.

As a matter of fact, they weren’t even prosecuted for voter intimidation. And when it was the riots in Ferguson and Baltimore fueled by media false narratives and a presidential administration’s rhetoric, there was no blame laid on Barack Obama. It appears to me that there is a blatant hypocrisy when an individual commits a horrible crime, such as in Charleston, South Carolina, and a collective group of people are to be held accountable.

But, when there’s an Islamic terror attack people say, “we cannot rush to judgment” or “this is not indicative of all Muslims”…to wit I agree, but why not call the enemy for what it is” militant Islamic terrorism or jihadism? Why must some be browbeaten into condemning the actions of a few, yet we have others who have fully admitted their support to groups calling for a “resistance?” And where were the voices to condemn the violence in Washington DC on Inauguration Day, or even at UC-Berkeley…or the violence committed against those who support the current president or hold beliefs aligned with Constitutional conservatism?

If we want to condemn groups such as the neo-Nazis and others, then we must also condemn groups such as BLM and Antifa. And we need to stop the cherrypicking, as they all should be investigated. Let’s end this absurdity of trying to connect the Republican Party with the Ku Klux Klan, since it was a creation of the Democrat Party. And I seem to recall Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, infamously known as a grand wizard of the Klan, lauded over at his memorial by Barack Obama, Bill and Hillary Clinton. It was Senator Byrd who was vehemently against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but it was Republican Senator Everett Dirksen who supported its passage.


James Alex Fields will be punished to the full extent of the law, and I truly believe he should never see the light of day again. But if we blindly do not realize there has been an atmosphere of hatred fomented in this nation, we are ignorant. Who even remembers the fella who attempted to gun down several Republican Members of Congress at a baseball practice, severely wounding Rep. Steve Scalise? The mainstream liberal progressive media pushed that aside rather quickly, and let us not forget MSNBC commentator, Joy Reid, who on her Sunday show actually sought to justify Rep. Scalise’s shooting because of his voting record. Now, where was the condemnation there, and why is it that Ms. Reid still has a position and a show on that network?

Fareed Zakaria praised the Central Park play depicting the “Caesar-like” stabbing to death of President Trump — last time I checked he was still on CNN. And how many Democrat elected officials were pressured into making statements of condemnation of one Kathy Griffith who notoriously held up the bloodied severed head resembling President Trump?

There’s plenty of guilt to be passed around here, but the progressive socialist left will sadly exploit this for all they can. They will horribly believe this will provide them some sort of electoral advantage. They fail to realize they’re just as complicit in what happened in Charlottesville. Let me ask that age-old rhetorical question: “if a tree falls in the woods, and no one is there, does it make a sound?”

If we were to go back and ponder this incident and just let a small group of disaffected individuals hold a rally to protest the possible taking down of a statue of General Robert E. Lee, and no one had showed up…Instead a call went out and trouble, violence ensued. Or maybe, if we had courageous elected officials who would just say, those statues aren’t offending anyone; they’re part of American history, and they stay. Imagine that, would there even be a story, any rally, and violence?

What happened in Charlottesville must not be allowed to happen again. And that means we need to hold ANY group responsible that promotes violence. “What do we want, dead cops; when do we want them, now”…”Pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon”…no more. Our streets aren’t the place for hoods and masks, such as Antifa wears, and their violence and destruction of property. Let’s call them all out, and not have this selective enforcement mentality rooted in partisan political hackery. If we don’t stop the blatant hypocrisy, which is truly the problem, then we’re sitting on a powder keg — which I believe some wish for.

I have an idea. If y’all want to fight, sign up in the U.S. military — if you meet the standards. There are plenty of folks who do indeed hate the United States. Channel your angst against them…not each other.

[Learn more about Allen West’s vision for this nation in his book Guardian of the Republic: An American Ronin’s Journey to Faith, Family and Freedom]

(08-15-2017, 06:40 PM)Armonica_Templar Wrote: Ok folks, here’s what REALLY happened in Charlottesville – and what everyone is missing

Quote:
[Learn more about Allen West’s vision for this nation in his book Guardian of the Republic: An American Ronin’s Journey to Faith, Family and Freedom]

(08-15-2017, 11:37 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: Hey Daddy @"Ninurta", isn't this Uncle Billy Bob, your brother?  

(Click on picture to watch video)

(08-16-2017, 01:25 AM)guohua Wrote: Excellent Video Mystic Wanderer.
I don't know how you got it to plug in like that and play but it works! 

Looked like you had Mr.G's. younger cousin, Steve, he's a hard rock miner in the Superstition Mountains.
Looks like him and talks like him,,,,,,

(08-16-2017, 02:08 AM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote:

(08-16-2017, 01:25 AM)guohua Wrote: Excellent Video Mystic Wanderer.
I don't know how you got it to plug in like that and play but it works! 

Looked like you had Mr.G's. younger cousin, Steve, he's a hard rock miner in the Superstition Mountains.
Looks like him and talks like him,,,,,,

It came from Face Book. All their videos look like only pictures when I post them here, that's why I always tell people to (click on the picture to play the video).   I just used the Face Book selection in the video selection up top.  

Quote:Anti-Trump activist accused of shooting, killing Trump-supporting neighbor with semi-automatic

Quote:Clayton Carter, a 51-year-old resident of West Goshen, Pennsylvania, was accused of shooting and killing his neighbor after a “long-running dispute.”


Carter allegedly shot his neighbor, Brooks Jennings, 51, twice in the head with a semi-automatic handgun as the two faced off in Jennings’ yard. Carter was arrested and taken into custody, and was later charged with first-degree murder and related offenses.

Chester County District Attorney Tom Hogan commented on the matter and said, “This killing leaves a wife without a husband, a little boy without a father, and a community in shock and mourning.”

Hogan added that the shooting death of Jennings was the culmination of a long-running feud between the two neighbors.

It was reported that prior to the fatal shooting, local law enforcement were called to break up a verbal argument between the two men.

Several hours after the police left, they were called again after Carter and Jennings were said to be involved in property spotlight dispute.

Jennings was said to be shining a flashlight in Carter’s face, and in retaliation, Carter allegedly shined his vehicle’s high-beams into the windows of the Jennings home.

According to NBC Philadelphia, Carter told law enforcement that Jennings had tried to attack him with a knife and his reported shooting was in self-defense.

“My client is claiming self-defense and justification,” Carter’s attorney, Terrence Marlowe said in a statement. “Mr. Jennings was tormenting him and attacked him with a knife.”

Philly.com reported that the feud between the two men resulted in over 70 calls to police over the last five years.

World Net Daily reported that Carter’s yard was filled with “anti-Trump signs,” and noted that Carter had a criminal record dating back nearly two decades for violence-related offenses.

Jennings, a former member of the Chester County Republican Committee, leaves behind a nine-year-old son and wife.

Quote:'Leading figures in Donald Trump's Republican party have reacted angrily to his latest comments
blaming both sides for the violent clashes in Charlottesville, Virginia, on Saturday.
They culminated with a person being killed and many injured when a car hit people opposed to a
far-right rally...'

Quote:'...Many echoed House Speaker Paul Ryan who said: "White supremacy is repulsive.. There can be
no moral ambiguity." Mr Trump had condemned white supremacist groups on Monday.
But on Tuesday he reverted to his initial reaction...'

Quote:'...The right-wing march had been organised to protest against the proposed removal of a statue of
Gen Robert E Lee, who commanded the pro-slavery Confederate forces during the American Civil
War.
The event drew white supremacy groups...'

Quote:'...Violence broke out after they were confronted by anti-fascism groups. A BBC correspondent at the
scene described how members of the so-called "alt-right" openly carried rifles and were dressed in
full tactical gear...'

Quote:'...Their leftist rivals threw bottles, rocks and paint. Pepper spray was used by both sides...'

Quote:'..."I think there is blame on both sides," Mr Trump told reporters at a tense press conference at Trump
Tower in New York.
"You had a group on one side that was bad. You had a group on the other side that was also very
violent. Nobody wants to say that. I'll say it right now."...'

Quote:'..."What about the alt-left that came charging... at the, as you say, the alt-right? Do they have any
semblance of guilt? (...) There are two sides to a story," Mr Trump said in response to one reporter...

Quote:'...He condemned the driver of a car that ploughed into one group of anti-racism protesters, killing
32-year-old Heather Heyer and injuring 19 others...'

Quote:'....But he said that those who had marched in defence of the statue had included "many fine people";
and he asked whether statues of former presidents George Washington and Thomas Jefferson
should also be torn down, because they had been slave-owners...'

Quote:'...Mr Trump's remarks were welcomed by David Duke, a former leader of the Ku Klux Klan, who
tweeted:
"Thank you President Trump for your honesty & courage to tell the
truth about #Charlottesville & condemn the leftist terrorists in BLM/Antifa."
But many others strongly condemned the comments...'

Quote:'...Of the reactions of some 55 Republican and Democrat politicians collected by the Washington Post,
only the spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee, Kayleigh McEnany, expressed her
support.

"President @realDonaldTrump once again denounced hate today.
The GOP stands behind his message of love and inclusiveness!"...'

Quote:'...Veteran Republican Senator John McCain tweeted: "There is no moral equivalency between racists
& Americans standing up to defy hate & bigotry."...'

Quote:'...One of Mr Trump's former rivals for the Republican presidential nomination, Marco Rubio sent a
series of tweets.

"Mr. President,you can't allow #WhiteSupremacists to share
only part of blame.They support idea which cost nation &
world so much pain 5/6"...'

Quote:'...Richard Trumka, president of the AFL-CIO trade union federation, became the fifth prominent business
leader to resign from President Trump's advisory body, the American Manufacturing Council, over the
issue.

He said he could not take part "for a president who tolerates bigotry and domestic terrorism".
In another development, the response of former President Barack Obama to the violence in Charlottesville
has become the most-liked tweet ever.

The message, quoting Nelson Mandela, reads: "No-one is born hating another person because of the
colour of his skin or his background or his religion."
It has been "liked" nearly three million times since being posted on Sunday...'

Quote:'...On Monday, Donald Trump's condemnation of the far-right came from advisers counselling him on what
was politically necessary to defuse the growing storm following the Charlottesville violence.
On Tuesday, the president said what he really thought.

Although he initially explained away the delay in condemnations of white supremacists as necessary
for him to gather "the facts" of the situation, the nature of the protests were quite evident by the evening
before, when demonstrators chanting white supremacist slogans held a torchlight parade through
Charlottesville...'

Quote:'...In any regard, Mr Trump has shown little reluctance in jumping to conclusions about violent incidents
when it appears Islamic extremism is at play...'

Quote:'...Upon further questioning, it became clear that the president views the Charlottesville unrest as far
from a one-sided affair...'

If Trump get's the 'affair' involved two sides, he's ahead of most of the MSM!!

'...Mixed in among the white supremacists, he said, were some good, peaceful people protesting the
removal of a statue (of a man who led an army against the US government).
And there were plenty of violent individuals among the counter-protesters as well...'

Quote:'...When the president on Saturday said there were "many sides" to blame, he meant it.

If Donald Trump's initial handling of the fallout from Charlottesville started a political fire, on
Tuesday the president poured on a bucket of kerosene and danced around the flames...'

Quote:At the time of this writing, I can state that I have also written a letter to the UK Metropolitan Police and
demanded that some of our officers be 'dragooned' over to Charlottesville in the hopes that a law
enforcement agency can be created.

This will:
A. Provide on-the-ground information for those officials who are accountable when such tragic and violent
incidents appear.
B. Can enforce the State and Country law in order prevent such hysterical and frightening gatherings in the
name of arcane-belief of 'free-speech'

I'm quite sure that if a crime was being committed or a law was being broken, then a police presence
at the rally could have assisted in quelling this terrible torchlight parade.
(Seriously, the 'head-in-hand' emoji will certainly not suffice!)

(08-16-2017, 02:51 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: There was a police presence, but they were ordered to stand down. Then when one side (not sure which one; I'm confused at this point too) wanted to leave, the police forced them to use the exit that pushed them right into the face of the opposition.  That's when things got really bad.

This was a staged event (False Flag) to cause chaos, then the media used it to further the hate to divide our country.
Soros and his minions at play again!

(08-16-2017, 03:02 PM)BIAD Wrote:

(08-16-2017, 02:51 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: There was a police presence, but they were ordered to stand down. Then when one side (not sure which one; I'm confused at this point too) wanted to leave, the police forced them to use the exit that pushed them right into the face of the opposition.  That's when things got really bad.

This was a staged event (False Flag) to cause chaos, then the media used it to further the hate to divide our country.
Soros and his minions at play again!

I know, Mystic... but for those who refuse to see the obvious, I felt that a lil' hand-holding was
required. I have no benefit or loss from what happened in Charlottesville, but it p*sses me off when
some are unable to view it with a neutral eye.

It's almost 'cult-ish' in it's nature. The inability to perceive an incident like this -that was without any
positive policing and the fact that both sides were responsible for the violence.
I don't care who-voted-for-who, but I would've thought truth would be a noble goal to maintain instead
of name-calling and comments that seriously debating the subject is too lofty for RN members to appreciate.

It's schoolyard behavior in regards of tossing insulting comments about and then threatening to leave the
website. It is called 'Ring & Run'
(Rant over! -and certainly not aimed at you!)

(08-16-2017, 03:15 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote: Agreed.  

Quote:“For half an hour, three men dressed in fatigues and armed with semi-automatic rifles stood across the street from the temple,” he wrote. “Had they tried to enter, I don’t know what I could have done to stop them, but I couldn’t take my eyes off them, either.”

Not only did armed protesters stand across from the synagogue, but neo-Nazis paraded past the building, shouting anti-Semitic slogans, a horrible reminder of Nazi Germany’s persecution and mass slaughter of European Jews.
“Several times, parades of Nazis passed our building, shouting, 'There's the synagogue!' followed by chants of 'Seig Heil' and other anti-Semitic language. Some carried flags with swastikas and other Nazi symbols,” Zimmerman wrote.