I'll say this,,, The M S M portrayed this as White Supremacists starting the violence. None of them bothered to mention they had a permit to march and were there legally. 
I don’t like these groups, but they ALSO have rights under the Constitution. These People that condemn the marchers are dangerous, along with the protesters that came to stop the marchers, they came armed to fight, the only People that do that are criminals, and they should have been arrested and charged with assault. 
The guy in the car? He’s a murderer, nothing more, nothing less. 
Most People understand these basic fundamentals, but the Media wants to Stir up Anger and make People Unstable, that’s usually what happens when you Dumb People Down 24/7 with Hateful News.

(08-13-2017, 11:34 PM)guohua Wrote: I'll say this,,, The M S M portrayed this as White Supremacists starting the violence. None of them bothered to mention they had a permit to march and were there legally. 
I don’t like these groups, but they ALSO have rights under the Constitution. These People that condemn the marchers are dangerous, along with the protesters that came to stop the marchers, they came armed to fight, the only People that do that are criminals, and they should have been arrested and charged with assault. 
The guy in the car? He’s a murderer, nothing more, nothing less. 
Most People understand these basic fundamentals, but the Media wants to Stir up Anger and make People Unstable, that’s usually what happens when you Dumb People Down 24/7 with Hateful News.

(08-13-2017, 09:15 PM)Ninurta Wrote: ATTENTION, LEFTIES:

This post is my personal opinion. Call me what you will - "white supremacist", "fascist", "psychopath" - whatever. I give nary a damn what label you try to plaster me with. It means nothing, and only puts your ignorance on display for all the world to see. Your label in no way is able to change immutable fact, and I know what I am - none of the above. Come at me, bro.

No ANTIFA totalitarians were harmed in the production of this post.

Now, with all that out of the way, here's my opinion:

I live not far from Charlottesville, and I give nary a shit about dead and injured "protestors".  They got what they had coming to them, and the only thing left is to hand out their Darwin Awards. You put two groups of dumbasses opposed to one another in the same space, and give them ball bats, tear gas, body armor, and helmets, and what the hell do YOU think is going to happen?

"Protestors" take signs, bottled water, and comfortable standing/walking shoes to a real protest. They emphatically DO NOT take arms and armor, which this crew mysteriously managed to produce. Here's a fact of life - if you go to a war zone prepared for a war, you have already signed the bottom line, and you are bought and paid for. I know this for fact, as I've done it a couple of times myself. You DO NOT get to wade into a situation prepared for war, then instigate a war, and THEN claim to be a "victim".

Bull-fuckin'-shit.

So shine up those Darwin Awards, because a few idjits have just earned theirs. I have no sympathy for any of them. As Forrest Gump's mother used to tell him, "stupid is as stupid does". They're not "victims" by any stretch of the imagination, and it's good that a few more have been taken out of the gene pool.

On both sides of this equation (or alleged equation - I've not been able to confirm the "white supremacist" labels yet for certain, but the communists have already claimed their "victimhood"), whenever they open their goddamned mouths, stupid falls right out of them, in torrents. When you put two blocks of stupid on a collision course, it's best to stand out of the way and let them obliterate each other, which is what the cops present did in the beginning. Kudos to the cops - some problems can solve themselves if left alone.

To the woman who was killed - I can't for the life of me see it yet as a "murder", since she was among the instigators (marching with the "Democratic Socialists of America", a Richmond chapter of that organization) - I can only hope that you have not yet been able to reproduce, and have truly been taken out of the gene pool. It's sad that more were not X-ed out, and sad that probably none of the "White Supremacists" got X-ed out, either. We could do with fewer of them as well.

I've lost a little blood, and have friends who lost ALL of theirs, so that freedom and liberty would prevail. That includes the freedom to speak one's mind, which the alleged white supremacists were doing, and had permits (what a ridiculous notion - having to have a permit to speak your mind!). So the communists come along and try to silence them. I can't condone that action - I would be haunted by the dead forever if I did.

Don't like what they're saying? Don't listen, then. Go see a movie or walk in a park far away from the mayhem factory brewing there. that's what I did. It's what I do when BLM holds their traffic - blocking rallies as well. I have no use for either side of that equation, and feel no need to wade into the fray between them. I figure that if I avoid the places where mayhem gets done, I don't have to worry about it splashing over onto me.

You can avoid getting Darwin Awards that way.

I have no sympathy for any of these assholes. None of them. There were NO "victims" in Charlottesville.


.

So, voice an opinion peacefully and it's totally cool to be mowed the fuck down by a car? Post one damn comment about a terror attack in the future and I'll be there waiting. Not that you care (you just said that you don't) but I just want the opportunity to bash your hypocrisy.

Before everyone bashes "who is right and who is wrong" there were seriosuly NAZIS marching through the streets of an American state. Fully fucking armed and marching. I'm all for free speech but if you don't expect a response after millions of our compatriots  died to supress that then fuck off.

This wasnt "thugs against police" or "hippies against 'the man' yo" these are pure blooded nazi sympathizers. Dont f'n mistake that.

Yes, they have freedom to their obsird speech. Yes, they have the freedom to assemble. But fucking run people over because they tried to shout out a bunch of hitler loving cunts? 

I swore a lot, sorry.

But dont give me any bullshit about blood you spilt when I lost a quarter of my bloodline in WW2 because these nazi fucks.

DFC

There are many instances of "left vs. right" that need to be condemned. A man doesn't want an IRS agent kicking in his door because he didn't sign up for health insurance? totally legit. 

A person doesn't want to be force fed a tax plan you don't like? completely understand (and I will probably be marching there with you)

Don't like who the president is? Think his Monkey wife is ruining your kids lunch? Ok, I don't expect you to like them, but don't preach to me this "respect the office" shift that you failed to do for the last 8 years. 

Don't like not bombing the shit out of everyone ALL THE TIME? Vote for McCain again. 

Don't like abortion? Neither do I. Let's have a chat about how to fix this. 

Don't like gay people? Get over yourself. Who cares. You're right, it's Adam and Eve...Until they got kicked the fuck out of the garden, so who the hell are we to complain? 

Don't like Jews? Black people? Mexicans? Chinese? Saudis? And you think it's ok to march in full Nazi uniforms through the streets of the USA? 

Go back to the 40's. Simple as that. If you can't figure out how to do it, just dunk your head in a bucket of water and breath in really deep (I promise it works).

@"Ninurta" 

Quote:"She was there with her friends, and she was trying to simply cross the street as the movement was breaking up that day, and she was plowed down by a young man who was intent on spreading hate and thought hate would fix the world," Heyer's mother, Susan Bro, told NBC News. "And hate does not fix the world."

you're "dumb Darwin award winner"

VICTIM

(08-14-2017, 02:42 AM)DuckforcoveR Wrote: @"Ninurta" 

Quote:"She was there with her friends, and she was trying to simply cross the street as the movement was breaking up that day, and she was plowed down by a young man who was intent on spreading hate and thought hate would fix the world," Heyer's mother, Susan Bro, told NBC News. "And hate does not fix the world."

you're "dumb Darwin award winner"

VICTIM

Sorry, but she and all others were warned by the local government officials to stay away.
She was in the wrong place at the Very Most Wrong Time.
Was she there to participate in the protest or just wanted to see the event?
Who Really Knows?
You can't Believe what you hear from the MSM,,,, Can You?

I'll say this,,,, if you weren't part of the protest or marchers, you should have been Much Smarter than to put yourself in that kind of Danger.
Even the news camera men ware helmets. 

We can debates this as long as anyone wants, but the truth is this, The Nazis and White Supremacist had Permits.
The Murderer that drove his car into those people, WHO Know?

No one in the Media wants to acknowledge that the protesters had a valid permit to march and express their displeasure over the removal of Gen. Lee’s statue. It was only when the counter-protesters became confrontational and provoked the marchers by pepper spraying them did violence erupt. 

But, none of the MSM wants to report that since this would not conform to their liberal agenda.Trump was right, hatred is on BOTH sides.

(08-14-2017, 02:42 AM)DuckforcoveR Wrote: @"Ninurta" 

Quote:"She was there with her friends, and she was trying to simply cross the street as the movement was breaking up that day, and she was plowed down by a young man who was intent on spreading hate and thought hate would fix the world," Heyer's mother, Susan Bro, told NBC News. "And hate does not fix the world."

you're "dumb Darwin award winner"

VICTIM

Time out.. I call BullS#$%!!!

Narrative change time..


She was PROTESTING guohua
not this phrase

Quote:"She was there with her friends, and she was trying to simply cross the street as the movement was breaking up that day, and she was plowed down by a young man who was intent on spreading hate and thought hate would fix the world," Heyer's mother, Susan Bro, told NBC News. "And hate does not fix the world."

She was there protesting
Also note the videos 


Please also note, the person accused has NOT been tried

As for the Nazi issue
Peaceful protesters do not carry baseball bats or peppersprey
nor do they BLOCK roads

We need a working definition of Nazi before we can apply the term to anyone
Unless they are card carrying members and provide credentials

It still leaves a huge question
where did all of the outsiders come from
how did they get there
who paid for the protesters

Also note a descrepency

One article says she has a daughter blah blah
another says she lived alone with her dog



This is shaping up to be a post event false flag

(08-14-2017, 03:53 AM)Armonica_Templar Wrote:

(08-14-2017, 02:42 AM)DuckforcoveR Wrote: @"Ninurta" 

Quote:"She was there with her friends, and she was trying to simply cross the street as the movement was breaking up that day, and she was plowed down by a young man who was intent on spreading hate and thought hate would fix the world," Heyer's mother, Susan Bro, told NBC News. "And hate does not fix the world."

you're "dumb Darwin award winner"

VICTIM

Time out.. I call BullS#$%!!!

Narrative change time..


She was PROTESTING guohua
not this phrase

Quote:"She was there with her friends, and she was trying to simply cross the street as the movement was breaking up that day, and she was plowed down by a young man who was intent on spreading hate and thought hate would fix the world," Heyer's mother, Susan Bro, told NBC News. "And hate does not fix the world."

She was there protesting
Also note the videos 


Please also note, the person accused has NOT been tried

As for the Nazi issue
Peaceful protesters do not carry baseball bats or peppersprey
nor do they BLOCK roads

We need a working definition of Nazi before we can apply the term to anyone
Unless they are card carrying members and provide credentials

It still leaves a huge question
where did all of the outsiders come from
how did they get there
who paid for the protesters

Also note a descrepency

One article says she has a daughter blah blah
another says she lived alone with her dog



This is shaping up to be a post event false flag

I'm with you on this @"Armonica_Templar" .

Wow...

This was a terror attack. Whether or not people were protesting something is irrelevant. 

And baseball bats & pepper spray? Against a bunch of nazi sympathizers (better?) chanting "white power" with rifles???

(08-14-2017, 04:33 AM)guohua Wrote:

(08-14-2017, 03:53 AM)Armonica_Templar Wrote:

(08-14-2017, 02:42 AM)DuckforcoveR Wrote: @"Ninurta" 

Quote:"She was there with her friends, and she was trying to simply cross the street as the movement was breaking up that day, and she was plowed down by a young man who was intent on spreading hate and thought hate would fix the world," Heyer's mother, Susan Bro, told NBC News. "And hate does not fix the world."

you're "dumb Darwin award winner"

VICTIM

Time out.. I call BullS#$%!!!

Narrative change time..


She was PROTESTING guohua
not this phrase

Quote:"She was there with her friends, and she was trying to simply cross the street as the movement was breaking up that day, and she was plowed down by a young man who was intent on spreading hate and thought hate would fix the world," Heyer's mother, Susan Bro, told NBC News. "And hate does not fix the world."

She was there protesting
Also note the videos 


Please also note, the person accused has NOT been tried

As for the Nazi issue
Peaceful protesters do not carry baseball bats or peppersprey
nor do they BLOCK roads

We need a working definition of Nazi before we can apply the term to anyone
Unless they are card carrying members and provide credentials

It still leaves a huge question
where did all of the outsiders come from
how did they get there
who paid for the protesters

Also note a descrepency

One article says she has a daughter blah blah
another says she lived alone with her dog



This is shaping up to be a post event false flag

I'm with you on this @"Armonica_Templar" .

Quote:We need a working definition of Nazi before we can apply the term to anyone

Unless they are card carrying members and provide credentials

It's really not that hard, there's a good amount of historical data that can be used to develop a baseline. Chanting "sieg heil", "kill jews", outstretched arm, nigger this / nigger that. All of which are ON VIDEO from the protest in Virginia. It's not even a "he said she said" when you go on video and say those things.

Well... in many US education facilities, it's taught that 'the white-man' is inherently racist, so I'm not
sure where we go from here. It's obvious that the 'terrorist'-label should be applied too and maybe
the best thing is to just... I dunno, get rid of them all?

I mean, school is for teaching.



Edit: Are the mild-protesting group 'Antifa' an ecology  group...? I just thought they may perceive
trash-cans, dumpsters and the like as the root of pollution and hence, burn them in the streets.
If anyone knows about climate-change, it's a grand way of getting rid of that pesky carbon.

(08-14-2017, 10:29 AM)DuckforcoveR Wrote: Wow...

This was a terror attack. Whether or not people were protesting something is irrelevant. 

And baseball bats & pepper spray? Against a bunch of nazi sympathizers (better?) chanting "white power" with rifles???

I respectfully disagree

Peaceful protest is unarmed

I do have to pause
Which side is the terrorist?

@"DuckforcoveR" 





When I am talking with friends I have to ask
Which friend do you want me to be here

1) the disney pc friend who holds your hand and tells you everytang will be ok

or

2)Dude your being a F#$%^ing idiot and got here because you F#$%ed up

(my friends have yet to ever accept number one)



This sounded good in my head..

Lets take a look at the whole board .. no.. we are on definition of nazi
and we now have to add a definition for terrorist

Ok.. The problem we have is Goodwin's law

Lets change the investigation into what is a nazi for a second

Instead lets look at something that has a lower emotional value in arguments

The Tea Party..

The history of the Tea Party is very simple
You lived through it
and made your own personal observations

I'll accept them for now at face value 

So let me share a knowledge bomb here with you

I was watching the telle.. (lol..)

The tea party stormed the capital so to speak
Pelosi was out

I was watching and caught something (leave the joke implied..)
Remember what happened

Election results were announced
And before they took a single step into the capital building to vote
Boehner was speaker?

WTF!!
The tea party was just proved to be nothing more then an arm of the party
beyond any doubt

Did it start out that way
no
but it was infiltrated and supplies where provided 
advisors molded them

ect..

So we have a group of people in power
who created a splinter group
used the group to achieve political ends


I am not done

One word
Acorn

So what I have observed is both sets of power use this method for population manipulation and control

Swift boat veterans???
can you think of any others


So lets look at today's conversation
notice any simularities

Antifa and BLM

If I remember correctly did the Nazi's not use the same strategy
Brown shirts right

The problem here
we have a funder with a politicol agenda

Soros
This S@#$ looks just like the Tea party plan

@"DuckforcoveR" 

We have the first issue with the definition

Calling someone a nigger does not equate to Nazi
This has has to be restated

African Ancestery was.. Well Rare in Nazi Germany, as in black swan rare

If I remember my history correctly

it was kill
Jews
Romani
gays
political enemies

then blacks were well
mostly not on the radar

Maybe after 1939 berlin games maybe.. 

So lets walks down the lazy man's path.. Wikipedia time

Nazi Germany

Quote:Nazi Germany is the common English name for the period in German history from 1933 to 1945, when Germany was governed by a dictatorship under the control of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party (NSDAP). Under Hitler's rule, Germany was transformed into a totalitarian state in which the Nazi Party controlled nearly all aspects of life. The official name of the state was Deutsches Reichfrom 1933 to 1943 and Großdeutsches Reich ("Greater German Reich") from 1943 to 1945. The period is also known under the names the Third Reich (German: Drittes Reich) and the National Socialist Period (German: Zeit des Nationalsozialismus, abbreviated as NS-Zeit). The Nazi regime came to an end after the Allied Powers defeated Germany in May 1945, ending World War II in Europe.

Nazi Party

Quote:The National Socialist German Workers' Party (German:  Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (help·info), abbreviated NSDAP), commonly referred to in English as the Nazi Party (/ˈnɑːtsi/), was a far-right political party in Germany that was active between 1920 and 1945 and practised the ideology of Nazism. Its precursor, the German Workers' Party (Deutsche Arbeiterpartei; DAP), existed from 1919 to 1920.

We are in agreement 
if you are a member of the National socialist german workers party

You are a Nazi

So was any member of the protesters members of the NAZI party?

To my knowledge the National Socialist German Workers Party is banned in Germany
Please note the prerequisite in the title itself

How many Germans were present at the Protest?


So on face value, the ones legally protesting do not qualify as Nazi's, nor do BLM or anti fa


To be continued

(08-13-2017, 08:22 PM)guohua Wrote: @"Armonica_Templar" 

Quote:The big questions I leave you with is this..


1)who paid for the unpermited protesters to be be present
last I checked gas, food, and water are not free

2)what story is being buried


I do not buy this load of crap

Excellent Question and Statement.
Who were the Agitator's?
We know who paid for them to be there and to be bused there.

Seriously??

The US is not some banana republic (but is in danger of becoming a dictator state) which needs to pay and bus people in for protests.  I have seen that sort of thing happen in other countries, where I lived, but I doubt that people in US are selling their support for an apple and a free t-shirt, people care about their country and what is happening to it, that is the difference.

(08-14-2017, 09:21 PM)1984hasarrived Wrote:

(08-13-2017, 08:22 PM)guohua Wrote: @"Armonica_Templar" 

Quote:The big questions I leave you with is this..


1)who paid for the unpermited protesters to be be present
last I checked gas, food, and water are not free

2)what story is being buried


I do not buy this load of crap

Excellent Question and Statement.
Who were the Agitator's?
We know who paid for them to be there and to be bused there.

Seriously??

The US is not some banana republic (but is in danger of becoming a dictator state) which needs to pay and bus people in for protests.  I have seen that sort of thing happen in other countries, where I lived, but I doubt that people in US are selling their support for an apple and a free t-shirt, people care about their country and what is happening to it, that is the difference.

Yes, Absolutely,,, Seriously!!
We were so close to a Third World Nation after 8 years of Democratic Plus progressive Rule,, many don't think we'll ever pull ourselves back.
JMHO and I'm Serious!

(08-14-2017, 09:18 PM)Armonica_Templar Wrote: @"DuckforcoveR" 

We have the first issue with the definition

..........
To be continued

So we have established with at least 75% accuracy that Germans did not participate in the rally on any side



Let us continue then
Your next response in defense feels like it will be

They are spiritual Nazis

from the above Wiki article

Quote:Pseudo-scientific racism theories were central to Nazism. The Nazis propagated the idea of a "people's community" (Volksgemeinschaft). Their aim was to unite "racially desirable" Germans as national comrades, while excluding those deemed either to be political dissidents, physically or intellectually inferior, or of a foreign race (Fremdvölkische).[9] The Nazis sought to improve the stock of the Germanic people through racial purity and eugenics, broad social welfare programs, and a collective subordination of individual rights, which could be sacrificed for the good of the state and the "Aryan master race". To maintain the supposed purity and strength of the Aryan race, the Nazis sought to exterminate Jews, Romani, and Poles along with the vast majority of other Slavs, and the physically and mentally handicapped. They imposed exclusionary segregation on homosexuals, Africans, Jehovah's Witnesses, and political opponents.[10] The persecution reached its climax when the party-controlled German state organized the systematic murder of approximately six million Jews and five million people from the other targeted groups, in what has become known as the Holocaust.

Please that to my knowledge the african part is added to maintain narrative
someone will have to access German records from the Africa Corps and post how rommel treated the natives
Oh i digress

"Their aim was to unite "racially desirable" Germans as national comrades, while excluding those deemed either to be political dissidents, physically or intellectually inferior, or of a foreign race (Fremdvölkische).[9] The Nazis sought to improve the stock of the Germanic people through racial purity and eugenics, broad social welfare programs, and a collective subordination of individual rights, which could be sacrificed for the good of the state and the "Aryan master race". "

Calls to unite

Excluding
Political Dissidents
physically or intellectually inferior
or foriegn race


Goals
Goals to improve stock
-racial purity and eugenics
-broad social welfare
-collective subordination of individual rights for the good of the state

we have a measuring stick
a general one

Lets take a look at history
OMG do you see it.. Holy S#$%

Sounds like a certain party
and organizations

Heard any calls for unity and that we need to unite
Some articles recently do come to mind
Republican and Dems unite to XXXXXXX
(i wont count them passing their pay raises during gov shut down.. I will play nice)

Political dissidents
Berkley comes to mind
where any members of the portesters involved in shutting down berkley or other protestors
A few other times as well recently

Antifa and BLM.. 
Democrats

silenced

Physical or Intellectually inferiors
On the physical..
not seen any
feel free to add instances to argument here

The fun part
Intellectually inferior

Uhm.. This looks bad for the three named groups
Climate change arguments

Uhm, the sounds and dismissiveness of all arguments
google engineer comes to mind
histronics and no facts arguing the science of statements

we have a second check
of yes on nazi scale

or foriegn race
One word
Caucasian

Excluded multiple times and instances

Safe spaces, "White privalege", and diversity sensitivity

The third check

S@#$
Add in white male privalege

We a have a go houston
BLM, AntiFa, and the democrats are spiritual Nazi's

At the protest

I will let you list the groups that had the legal permit


Goals to improve stock

-racial purity and eugenics

The Democratic Party has a history of being part of the KKK

It is why MLK was GOP



Look at the history of the founder of CPS

Eugenics

practiced on the group claiming harm



-broad social welfare

Uhm dude.. BLM, Antifa, and democrats completely!!

Healthcare arguments

free stuff

erasure of college loans for all




-collective subordination of individual rights for the good of the state
LOL again
look at all the responses in the media and self descriptions

For the children
For the future

Free speech gone- safe spaces
Right to bear arms gone- Gun free zone, requirement to get permission for guns

All dem, BLM, antifa goals


After looking at this list
holy S#$%

Nazi's illegally protesting accused white supremicist
I have used the word accused because I have seen no PROOF that the group self ids as the tag
nor have the members been polled to find out percentages the self id as such

With evidence for that part of the claim you can and may remove accused


So what I am getting
Nazi's got into an argument
a woman died

This is what this whole article and discussion is about

(08-14-2017, 09:43 PM)guohua Wrote:

(08-14-2017, 09:21 PM)1984hasarrived Wrote:

(08-13-2017, 08:22 PM)guohua Wrote: @"Armonica_Templar" 

Quote:The big questions I leave you with is this..


1)who paid for the unpermited protesters to be be present
last I checked gas, food, and water are not free

2)what story is being buried


I do not buy this load of crap

Excellent Question and Statement.
Who were the Agitator's?
We know who paid for them to be there and to be bused there.

Seriously??

The US is not some banana republic (but is in danger of becoming a dictator state) which needs to pay and bus people in for protests.  I have seen that sort of thing happen in other countries, where I lived, but I doubt that people in US are selling their support for an apple and a free t-shirt, people care about their country and what is happening to it, that is the difference.

Yes, Absolutely,,, Seriously!!
We were so close to a Third World Nation after 8 years of Democratic Plus progressive Rule,, many don't think we'll ever pull ourselves back.
JMHO and I'm Serious!

@1984hasarrived

transportation, food, and water are not free

none of it is
who provided it

Two groups with no permit
coordinated activity

we know the source of the legal protesters
what of the other two