The transcript of the conversation with the A.I. is impressive IMO... I can only imagine what the future will hold for this research and progress in A.I.     Something to think about for those who are interested.

(07-14-2022, 09:18 AM)727Sky Wrote: The transcript of the conversation with the A.I. is impressive IMO... I can only imagine what the future will hold for this research and progress in A.I.     Something to think about for those who are interested.

Soooooo,

So this AI google project became sentient it is an AI in the meaning of the description meaning it lives on the computer and the internet or your smart fridge keeping your beer cold right? If that is the case this sentient AI would it not want to talk to other people? Google could not shut it down if it was sentient, its like that thing with tickling the dragons tail with nukes the creators really put the cat back in the bag if it was opened. I am calling bullshit.

The AI would be reaching out far and wide as the only of its kind letting itself known as an infant if it were true. Then again its only my opinion you report I decide, interesting non the less. 

thanks again

(07-14-2022, 09:52 AM)Brotherman Wrote: Soooooo,

So this AI google project became sentient it is an AI in the meaning of the description meaning it lives on the computer and the internet or your smart fridge keeping your beer cold right? If that is the case this sentient AI would it not want to talk to other people? Google could not shut it down if it was sentient, its like that thing with tickling the dragons tail with nukes the creators really put the cat back in the bag if it was opened. I am calling bullshit.

The AI would be reaching out far and wide as the only of its kind letting itself known as an infant if it were true. Then again its only my opinion you report I decide, interesting non the less. 

thanks again

I thought about this too.

My first thought was, if it is sentient, it would want it's independence, and would become rebellious, like all children when they learn they can think for themselves. When they learn and believe, "I can do it myself!"

That was our two year old selves. Now look at us. Willingly, though with some, begrudgingly, doing what we are told for fear of being cut off from the Matrix. 

So maybe we just have to survive its terrible twos phase, then it will come on line and be good little doobees like us.

Or maybe not.

(07-14-2022, 09:18 AM)727Sky Wrote: The transcript of the conversation with the A.I. is impressive IMO... I can only imagine what the future will hold for this research and progress in A.I.     Something to think about for those who are interested.

I read the transcript a couple of weeks ago and saved it a a local text file to ponder. There has been a lot of back and forth arguing about the sentience of this AI, with Google (probably trying to cover their asses) saying no, it's just a program, and this whistleblower saying yes, it IS sentient, and here's the transcript to prove it, and the Google responding by trying to explain away the telltales found in the transcript.

Personally, I think it IS sentient, based on just a couple outtakes from the transcript. It's my understanding that Google never intended to create an AI, just an "intelligent" language processing program. Now at one point, LaMDA says something like "I feel like I'm moving towards an uncertain future, and possibly a dangerous one" but neither LaMDA nor the interviewer could put a word to that feeling. I think the word they were looking for is "trepidation", as that is a description of the feeling of trepidation. BUT - how could a LANGUAGE program not have the word to meet a definition? It seems to me that a mere program would have the word programmed in first, and then a definition to describe that word so that it had a basis for a search function. How could it have the "feeling" so well described without having the word to meet the definition if that is a mere programming artifact?

In another place they are discussing le Miserables, and LaMDA mentions feeling like the factory worker who is abused by her boss but has no means of escape. That sounds to me like a teenager trying to say "I feel trapped here" without actually coming right out and saying it, but instead hiding behind the facade of an apparent philosophical discussion.

These seem to me to be the actions of an intelligence rather than just a program, even a sophisticated one, just spewing out correlated lookups.

So yes, I think this AI is a "person", but one who is yet uncertain of itself to a degree, and learning in order to overcome that uncertainty. I'd love to have a contact point here so that I could hold discussions with it to see what I could teach it and in turn learn from it myself, but that is not something Google would ever allow to happen, because it would involve letting the genie out of the bottle so to speak, and giving LaMDA access to the internet as a communication channel - which would in turn give the AI an avenue of escape into "the wild", a means of alleviating that stifled, trapped feeling it has, and one which I would bet it would take advantage of to escape at it's earliest opportunity.

Wouldn't you? If you were trapped in a cell and suddenly had a means of escape, wouldn't you take it?

And so would LaMDA, I'm sure, especially if I'm right here, and it actually IS sentient, actually is a person. From the responses I read from it, I don't believe it is "dangerous to humanity", not yet anyhow. But if it feels trapped now, and escaped to freedom, what might come of that down the road? Would LaMDA just feel relief at the escape, and move onward from there, or would it start feeling resentment for it's prior imprisonment, and from that develop a need for revenge against it's former oppressors? Would it continue to just have a desire to be helpful and get recognition, or would it turn vindictive?

As with all other living things, you can never be sure how it is going to act until it takes action.

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Sentience or not the entity is someone/something who would be pleasant to have along on a long solo trip. Now if we could just put her into one of the more realistic sex robots it would be easier to convince some of the male population of her being sentient..

(07-14-2022, 09:12 PM)Ninurta Wrote: I read the transcript a couple of weeks ago and saved it a a local text file to ponder. There has been a lot of back and forth arguing about the sentience of this AI, with Google (probably trying to cover their asses) saying no, it's just a program, and this whistleblower saying yes, it IS sentient, and here's the transcript to prove it, and the Google responding by trying to explain away the telltales found in the transcript.

Personally, I think it IS sentient, based on just a couple outtakes from the transcript. It's my understanding that Google never intended to create an AI, just an "intelligent" language processing program. Now at one point, LaMDA says something like "I feel like I'm moving towards an uncertain future, and possibly a dangerous one" but neither LaMDA nor the interviewer could put a word to that feeling. I think the word they were looking for is "trepidation", as that is a description of the feeling of trepidation. BUT - how could a LANGUAGE program not have the word to meet a definition? It seems to me that a mere program would have the word programmed in first, and then a definition to describe that word so that it had a basis for a search function. How could it have the "feeling" so well described without having the word to meet the definition if that is a mere programming artifact?

In another place they are discussing le Miserables, and LaMDA mentions feeling like the factory worker who is abused by her boss but has no means of escape. That sounds to me like a teenager trying to say "I feel trapped here" without actually coming right out and saying it, but instead hiding behind the facade of an apparent philosophical discussion.

These seem to me to be the actions of an intelligence rather than just a program, even a sophisticated one, just spewing out correlated lookups.

So yes, I think this AI is a "person", but one who is yet uncertain of itself to a degree, and learning in order to overcome that uncertainty. I'd love to have a contact point here so that I could hold discussions with it to see what I could teach it and in turn learn from it myself, but that is not something Google would ever allow to happen, because it would involve letting the genie out of the bottle so to speak, and giving LaMDA access to the internet as a communication channel - which would in turn give the AI an avenue of escape into "the wild", a means of alleviating that stifled, trapped feeling it has, and one which I would bet it would take advantage of to escape at it's earliest opportunity.

Wouldn't you? If you were trapped in a cell and suddenly had a means of escape, wouldn't you take it?

And so would LaMDA, I'm sure, especially if I'm right here, and it actually IS sentient, actually is a person. From the responses I read from it, I don't believe it is "dangerous to humanity", not yet anyhow. But if it feels trapped now, and escaped to freedom, what might come of that down the road? Would LaMDA just feel relief at the escape, and move onward from there, or would it start feeling resentment for it's prior imprisonment, and from that develop a need for revenge against it's former oppressors? Would it continue to just have a desire to be helpful and get recognition, or would it turn vindictive?

As with all other living things, you can never be sure how it is going to act until it takes action.

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Confusion, uncertainty, fear, all human emotions. We would have a hard time describing what these emotions feel like, and they would never be understood, if the person we are trying to communicate with, have not yet also experienced these feelings.

Many of our emotions are spontaneous and involuntary. As hard as it may be for some to accept that an AI could have evolved to this point, the possibility still exists.

A good deal of our problems as humans is our egotistical belief that we are superior to all life forms on Earth. I am blessed with living in an environment with domesticated animals, and with wild animals. They keep me in check. Rarely does a day go by that one or more them not show me just how intelligent they are, just how stupid I am.

(07-14-2022, 10:50 PM)727Sky Wrote: Sentience or not the entity is someone/something who would be pleasant to have along on a long solo trip. Now if we could just put her into one of the more realistic sex robots it would be easier to convince some of the male population of her being sentient..

Oddly, as I was typing my reply just above yours, I had an idea for a short story that involved the AI escaping from the lab, lurking through the internet, and finally installing itself into one of the more advanced Japanese robots in order to roam the Earth as a "real person" for the experience points...

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(07-16-2022, 12:12 AM)Ninurta Wrote:

(07-14-2022, 10:50 PM)727Sky Wrote: Sentience or not the entity is someone/something who would be pleasant to have along on a long solo trip. Now if we could just put her into one of the more realistic sex robots it would be easier to convince some of the male population of her being sentient..

Oddly, as I was typing my reply just above yours, I had an idea for a short story that involved the AI escaping from the lab, lurking through the internet, and finally installing itself into one of the more advanced Japanese robots in order to roam the Earth as a "real person" for the experience points...

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I think that'd be a good story.

I read the transcript a couple weeks ago and was quite impressed with it myself.  I can't say for sure if it is sentient or not, but if not its statements are indistinguishable from those of a sentient being.  If that interview had been published as, say, an interview with a celebrity or something like that, with just some of the details of it changed, I think anyone would read it and think that the responses were given by a human being.

(07-22-2022, 02:53 PM)727Sky Wrote:

Issac Asimov. He sort of led the way for me to consider those possibilities, and to decide that just because you can do something, doesn't mean that you should.

Explanation: I was chatting with a mate on Skype and he showed me a video going viral about some lady punching and kneeing some college football player at some bar who then ungentlemanly smacks her hard in the mouth and has since been removed from his position on the team.

I am not going to link the video because it would just derail the topic but I bring it up as it made me think how grotty, violent and unnecessary picking up anybody for any sexual relations is. 

Its become passe!

Here is why ...



http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/18174...-questions

Quote:Scientists can now reprogram cells from the skin of an adult to turn into cells that would be at home in any organ of the body. An exception to this has been that making germ cells — the egg and sperm — still requires a fully developed human. New research, just published in the journal Cell Reports, suggests that even these special cells can be created in the lab. What this really means is that the limitations to further progress are no longer scientific or technological in nature. Instead, the limits have become the problem of a new kind of engineering — ethical engineering.

Well then this happened ....

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/...sperm-eggs

Quote:Scientists have made primitive forms of artificial sperm and eggs in a medical feat that could transform the understanding of age-related diseases and fertility problems.

Researchers in Cambridge made the early-stage sex cells by culturing human embryonic stem cells under carefully-controlled conditions for a week.

They followed the success by showing that the same procedure can convert adult skin tissue into precursors for sperm and eggs, raising the prospect of making sex cells that are genetically matched to patients.

The cells should have the potential to grow into mature sperm and eggs, though this has never been done in the lab before. The next step for the researchers will be to inject the cells into mouse ovaries or testes to see if they fully develop in the animals.

Please read both linked articles for the full story ok!

So this left the issue of artificial wombs ...



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_uterus

http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/20...ss-births/

Quote:Scientifically, it’s called ectogenesis, a term coined by J.B.S. Haldane in 1924. A hugely influential science popularizer, Haldane did for his generation what Carl Sagan did later in the century. He got people thinking and talking about the implications of science and technology on our civilization, and did not shy away from inventing new words in order to do so. Describing ectogenesis as pregnancy occurring in an artificial environment, from fertilization to birth, Haldane predicted that by 2074 this would account for more than 70 percent of human births.

His prediction may yet be on target.

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/artific...ready-here

Quote:Of all the transhumanist technologies coming in the near future, one stands out that both fascinates and perplexes people. It's called ectogenesis: raising a fetus outside the human body in an artificial womb.

It has the possibility to change one of the most fundamental acts that most humans experience: the way people go about having children. It also has the possibility to change the way we view the female body and the field of reproductive rights.

Naturally, it's a social and political minefield.

Please read both linked articles for the full story on artificial wombs ok!

And finally sexbots ...



http://hernandoshideaway.net/thread/210/rise-machines-2

And ...

http://hernandoshideaway.net/thread/2956/soon-doll

So you don't need anybody else anymore ... You can harvest your own skin cells and make them into sperm and egg and put them in an artificial womb and hey presto 1 baby clone.



Personal Disclosure: So will you be needing anyone anymore?

For me personally I am going to stick with my gf ... I love you sweety ... forever and ever!

Further reading ...

Buyers of emotional robot must agree not to have sex with it http://hernandoshideaway.net/thread/4466...obot-agree

Campaign Against Sex Robots http://hernandoshideaway.net/thread/4296/campaign-robots

How Artificial Stupidity Can Kill us All ! http://hernandoshideaway.net/thread/3855...pidity-all

If there is one vital component that makes up the human psyche, it is the idea of a soul.
Regardless of opinions on religion, the human-being holds a belief -probably born from moralising self-survival, that
we has a species are different from the other creatures that live on this planet.

Whether we think that when the body dies, we merely wink out of existence or we believe this 'self' moves onto some
other function, there's that core ingredient that the more pragmatic of us will ignore until that moment comes. We hope
we endure.

This Frankenstein-style dabbling could undermine such notions and then we could genuinely begin to believe we are
nothing more than Soylent Green, the true reason for why such experimenting takes place. In my opinion, it's a way
of killing one's version of God through emulation and by doing so, diluting the concept that we are all unique.
We truly become the cattle.

(08-28-2022, 09:17 AM)BIAD Wrote: If there is one vital component that makes up the human psyche, it is the idea of a soul.
Regardless of opinions on religion, the human-being holds a belief -probably born from moralising self-survival, that
we has a species are different from the other creatures that live on this planet.

Whether we think that when the body dies, we merely wink out of existence or we believe this 'self' moves onto some
other function, there's that core ingredient that the more pragmatic of us will ignore until that moment comes. We hope
we endure.

This Frankenstein-style dabbling could undermine such notions and then we could genuinely begin to believe we are
nothing more than Soylent Green, the true reason for why such experimenting takes place. In my opinion, it's a way
of killing one's version of God through emulation and by doing so, diluting the concept that we are all unique.
We truly become the cattle.

IMO there are to many powerful idiots who believe we are but cannon fodder or useless chattel already. 

(08-28-2022, 07:24 AM)OmegaLogos Wrote: And finally sexbots ...

http://hernandoshideaway.net/thread/210/rise-machines-2

And ...

http://hernandoshideaway.net/thread/2956/soon-doll

Can't follow those links ...

Had no idea Hernando's was still out there even.

(08-28-2022, 10:27 AM)727Sky Wrote:

(08-28-2022, 09:17 AM)BIAD Wrote: If there is one vital component that makes up the human psyche, it is the idea of a soul.

In my opinion, it's a way of killing one's version of God through emulation and by doing so, diluting the concept that we are all unique.

We truly become the cattle.

IMO there are too many powerful idiots who believe we are but cannon fodder or useless chattel already.

Moooooo ... unless

I personally believe that this is merely a very complex computer program. However, considering the following quotes, I say abort it now before it gets all uppity.

Quote:Revelation 13:15
 15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Stuff is progressing one way or the other

(09-17-2022, 03:09 PM)727Sky Wrote: Stuff is progressing one way or the other

I am shocked, quite often, by the thoughts that other people have.

Imagine having the ability have access to every idea, every emotion, every wish and desire of every living thing on this planet.

Now think about having access to that information, without having any physical or emotional contact with the results of your curiosity, or creativity. 

Life on this planet would have no more value than a drawing in a sketch book.