for those who are interested in what was said

If you come across a summarized bullet points please post. Thanks!

(05-18-2022, 03:56 AM)EndtheMadnessNow Wrote: If you come across a summarized bullet points please post. Thanks!

It will be Thursday before Dolan or L.M. Howe do a broadcast and hit the highlights however my bullet points are:

1.they disregard all the reports and say they are unaware of nuke sites being shut down..kinda unaware or at least act like they are of all the widely reported incidences.

2. they are still trying to arrange inputs from various branches and sources; more data more data

3.they are doing a scientific approach which means irrefutable evidence for what is being reported.. expect very little forthcoming and what is forthcoming will be classified and above pedestrian knowledge.

4. I am jaded about anything coming out of the mouths of bureaucrats which have reportedly lied to the population for the last umpteen years under the veil of national security.

Cool! Thanks for your summary. I agree with you on those points. What a joke. Been blind for the last 75 years of reports, hmm ok.
Nothing of any value will ever be disclosed by these clowns...least not in this current 'woke' era, imo. I think those compartmentalized layers of Manhattan secrecy are impenetrable. My view is those that know will never entrust such knowledge with any elected officials.

I like listening to Dolan's view. Don't always agree with him but he's a great presenter/speaker.

(05-18-2022, 05:23 AM)727Sky Wrote:

(05-18-2022, 03:56 AM)EndtheMadnessNow Wrote: If you come across a summarized bullet points please post. Thanks!

It will be Thursday before Dolan or L.M. Howe do a broadcast and hit the highlights however my bullet points are:

1.they disregard all the reports and say they are unaware of nuke sites being shut down..kinda unaware or at least act like they are of all the widely reported incidences.  

2. they are still trying to arrange inputs from various branches and sources; more data more data

3.they are doing a scientific approach which means irrefutable evidence for what is being reported.. expect very little forthcoming and what is forthcoming will be classified and above pedestrian knowledge.

4. I am jaded about anything coming out of the mouths of bureaucrats which have reportedly lied to the population for the last umpteen years under the veil of national security.

They the governments can’t know anything because they are part of the manipulation. Unwittingly too more than likely.

Fake alien invasion is near?
In first public hearing, Pentagon reports rise in UFO sightings in past 20 years
https://www.firstpost.com/world/in-first...87371.html

(05-18-2022, 05:23 AM)727Sky Wrote:

(05-18-2022, 03:56 AM)EndtheMadnessNow Wrote: If you come across a summarized bullet points please post. Thanks!

1.they disregard all the reports and say they are unaware of nuke sites being shut down..kinda unaware or at least act like they are of all the widely reported incidences.

I wonder if this has anything to do with the unsubstantiated reasoning for all the Nuke Plants (world-wide) that were decommissioned not too long ago.  Made no sense to me correlating those to the Green Agenda.

Grabbed a couple screencaps from the videos they aired.  I thought had a clear pic of the cockpit recording (sorry 'bout that).





I find it Very Cool that this was addressed (in public) at all.

Anyone else notice that yesterday was the start of the "Hillary Trial" over the, "Russia, Russia, Russia!!" fiasco?

I've been seeing a lot of UFO stuff in the news, a lot of it right before covid hit, then it died down, then the Russia fiasco, and now UFOs are all over the news again.  I feel like we're being fed a narrative, but then again, when are we not?

Talking about some of the omissions during the Congressional hearings with documents. So far the top dudes are all mouth and no substance. It is like putting a 5 year old in charge of working on a car engine.

(05-19-2022, 07:52 AM)727Sky Wrote: Talking about some of the omissions during the Congressional hearings with documents. So far the top dudes are all mouth and no substance. It is like putting a 5 year old in charge of working on a car engine.

I'd let a 5 year old work on a car engine... as long as it isn't mine. 20 bucks says if I teach said 5 year old how to use a pipe to get more leverage hed have your shit apart in no time 

(05-19-2022, 08:06 AM)Brotherman Wrote:

(05-19-2022, 07:52 AM)727Sky Wrote: Talking about some of the omissions during the Congressional hearings with documents. So far the top dudes are all mouth and no substance. It is like putting a 5 year old in charge of working on a car engine.

I'd let a 5 year old work on a car engine... as long as it isn't mine. 20 bucks says if I teach said 5 year old how to use a pipe to get more leverage hed have your shit apart in no time 

true but a department head is supposed to have some prior knowledge.

They lie to protect the truth.... so again much government ado without any substance put forth on their part.  The good news is at least government is kinda talking about the subject of UFOs/UAPs.

(05-19-2022, 08:24 AM)727Sky Wrote:

(05-19-2022, 08:06 AM)Brotherman Wrote:

(05-19-2022, 07:52 AM)727Sky Wrote: Talking about some of the omissions during the Congressional hearings with documents. So far the top dudes are all mouth and no substance. It is like putting a 5 year old in charge of working on a car engine.

I'd let a 5 year old work on a car engine... as long as it isn't mine. 20 bucks says if I teach said 5 year old how to use a pipe to get more leverage hed have your shit apart in no time 

true but a department head is supposed to have some prior knowledge.

They lie to protect the truth.... so again much government ado without any substance put forth on their part.  The good news is at least government is kinda talking about the subject of UFOs/UAPs.

I believe the governments around the world are part of the great deception and they are unwillingly part of it and it pisses them off they know about the shit and can't do nothing about it and the information they do have probably makes them look stupid so they don't want to share it because of other nations. 

The phenomenon IMO is straight up demonic shit but that is my opinion.

(05-18-2022, 03:46 PM)Schmoe1 Wrote: I've been seeing a lot of UFO stuff in the news, a lot of it right before covid hit, then it died down, then the Russia fiasco, and now UFOs are all over the news again.  I feel like we're being fed a narrative, but then again, when are we not?

The Coming 'ET Threat' Will Be A Lie.
By Dr Carol Rosin


My name is Carol Rosin. I am an educator who became the first woman corporate manager of an Aerospace Company,
Fairchild Industries. I am a Space and Missile Defense Consultant and have consulted to a number of companies,
organizations, and government departments, even the intelligence community.

I was a consultant to TRW working on the MX missile, so I was part of that strategy, which turned out to be a role model
for how to sell space-based weapons to the public. The MX missile is yet another weapon system that we didn't need.

I founded the Institute for Security and Cooperation in Outer Space, a Washington DC based think tank. I am an author
and have testified before Congress and the President's Commission on Space.
 
When I was a Corporate Manager of Fairchild Industries from 1974 through 1977, I met the late Dr Wernher Von Braun.
We first met in early 1974. At that time, Von Braun was dying of cancer but he assured me that he would live a few more
years to tell me about the game that was being played - that game being the effort to weaponize space, to control the
Earth from space and space itself.

Von Braun had a history of working with weapons systems. He escaped from Germany to come to this country and
became a Vice President of Fairchild Industries when I had met him. Von Braun's purpose during the last years of
his life, his dying years, was to educate the public and decision-makers about why space-based weapons are dumb,
dangerous, destabilizing, too costly, unnecessary, unworkable, and an undesirable idea, and about the alternatives
that are available.

As practically a deathbed speech, he educated me about those concepts and who the players were in this game.
He gave me the responsibility, since he was dying, of continuing this effort to prevent the weaponization of outer
space. When Wernher Von Braun was dying of cancer, he asked me to be his spokesperson, to appear on
occasions when he was too ill to speak. I did this.

What was most interesting to me was a repetitive sentence that he said to me over and over again during the
approximately four years that I had the opportunity to work with him.

He said the strategy that was being used to educate the public and decision makers was to use scare tactics.
That was how we identify an enemy. The strategy that Wernher Von Braun taught me was that first the Russians
are going to be considered to be the enemy.

In fact, in 1974, they were the enemy, the identified enemy. We were told that they had "killer satellites".
We were told that they were coming to get us and control us-that they were "Commies."

Then terrorists would be identified, and that was soon to follow. We heard a lot about terrorism.

Then we were going to identify third- world country "crazies." We now call them Nations of Concern. But he said
that would be the third enemy against whom we would build space-based weapons.

The next enemy was asteroids. Now, at this point he kind of chuckled the first time he said it.
Asteroids-against asteroids we are going to build space-based weapons. 

And the funniest one of all was what he called aliens, extraterrestrials. That would be the final scare.
And over and over and over during the four years that I knew him and was giving speeches for him, he would
bring up that last card. "And remember Carol, the last card is the alien card. We are going to have to build
space-based weapons against aliens and all of it is a lie."...'

'...What he told me was that there is an accelerated effort in place. He didn't mention a timeline but he said
that it was going to be speeding up faster than anybody could possibly imagine. That the effort to put weapons
into space was not only based on a lie but would accelerate past the point of people even understanding it
until it was already up there and too late...'

'...The last card that was being held was the extraterrestrial enemy card. The intensity with which he said that, made
me realize that he knew something that he was too afraid to mention. He was too afraid to talk about it. He would not
tell me the details....'
..............................................................


'...In 1977, I was at a meeting in Fairchild Industries in a conference room called the War Room.
In that room were a lot of charts on the walls with enemies, identified enemies. There were other more obscure names,
names like Saddam Hussein and Khadafi. But we were talking then about terrorists, the potential terrorists. No one had
ever talked about this before but this was the next stage after the Russians against whom we were going to build these
space-based weapons.

I stood up in this meeting and I said, "Excuse me, why are we talking about these potential enemies against whom we
are going to build space-based weapons if, in fact, we know that they are not the enemy at this time?"

Well, they continued the conversation about how they were going to antagonize these enemies and that at some point,
there was going to be a war in the Gulf, a Gulf War. Now this is 1977, 1977! And they were talking about creating a war
in the Gulf Region when there was 25 billion dollars in the space-based weapons program that had yet to be identified.
It wasn't called the Strategic Defense Initiative, at least. Not until 1983.

This weapons system, then, had obviously been going on for some time and I didn't know anything about. So I stood up
in this meeting in 1977 and said, "I would like to know why we are talking about space-based weapons against these
enemies. I would like to know more about this. Would someone please tell me what this is about?"
Nobody answered. They just went on with this meeting as though I hadn't said anything.

Suddenly, I stood up in the room and said, "If nobody can tell me why you are planning a war in the Gulf when there is a
certain amount of money in a budget so that you can create the next set of weapons systems that will be the beginning
of the sell to the public about why we need space-based weapons, then consider this: my resignation.
And you will not hear from me again!"

And nobody said a word, because they were planning a war in the Gulf and it happened exactly as they planned it, on
time.

The room was filled with people in the revolving door game. There were people that I had seen once in a military uniform
and other times in a gray suit and an industry outfit. These people play a revolving door game. They work as consultants,
industry people, and/or military and intelligence people. They work in the industries and they revolve themselves through
these doors and right into government positions.

I stood up in this meeting and asked if I was hearing correctly. That when there was 25 billion dollars expended in the
space-based weapons budget, that there was going to be a war in the Gulf, stimulated, created, so that they could then
sell the next phase of weapons to the public and the decision-makers. This war was going to be created so that they
could dump the old weapons and create a whole new set of weapons. So I had to resign from that position. I could no
longer work in that industry...'
.................................

The Wernher von Braun threat sequence is: 1.Communism, 2.Terrorism, 3.Rogue Nations, 4.Asteroids and finally,
5.E.T.

Whoever owns the high ground or has air superiority wins the war which is something Von Braun knew first hand as he survived the war after the defeat of Nazi Germany.  Whether aircraft or drones, or Tungsten rods from space that is the high ground. Both China and Russia have demonstrated they can shoot down satellites as has the USA with a rocket from an F-15.

As far as I am concerned we do need an asteroid defense system a little bit better than the one the dinosaurs used.

Defending against an alien invasion it would not happen as there would be no defense against such a foe; a foe who could sit out in the asteroid belt and chunk rocks at every major city on planet earth... A foe who could just sit back and wait until mankind said "uncle, we give up" before another few billion are killed.

I am reminded of a story where a hunter was going to take a shot at some ETs who were outside their ship...All of a sudden the weapon became so heavy (at least in his mind) that he could not lift the weapon to fire.

I could go on and on but let me just say..." This planet is an egg for mankind, we either hatch or parish." Those who do not believe that have to only look at all the extinctions mother earth has given all her children over earth's history; it ain't pretty because supposedly 99%+ everything that has ever lived is now extinct ! Think about that !!??

After thought: If they come to take our women and kids then "Then the fruitless War is on ! "

Now some rants about the dog and pony show

(05-19-2022, 11:39 AM)727Sky Wrote: or Tungsten rods from space

We didn't go there.   I assure you.

The long-term $$$ went to energy weapons.

(05-19-2022, 11:39 AM)727Sky Wrote: I could go on and on but let me just say..." This planet is an egg for mankind, we either hatch or parish." Those who do not believe that have to only look at all the extinctions mother earth has given all her children over earth's history; it ain't pretty because supposedly 99%+ everything that has ever lived is now extinct ! Think about that !!??

You really thought about this a lot, haven't you?

All we have to know is that the Sphinx existed before this age of man. Need more 'evidence' of another age before ours? Göbekli Tepe. Need more still? Check out the stuff in South America. We can't build megaliths. If we could ... it would be easy for us ... and rich people would be laying out monuments to themselves everywhere.

If there is a space-faring civilization out there they're not going to be much interested in us. The probability of anything more than a drone would be sent our way is fanciful. If these UFOs are able to traverse other dimensions we've no scientific knowledge of, whatever controls them probably doesn't see us as any kind of viable threat ... unless they're living extra-dimensionally right here on Earth with us.

I find the whole alien invasion thingy stupid. Minerals and anything else we can think of are available all over the universe either on uninhabited worlds or those pesky numerous asteroids. Unless they are after women

Gas clouds of alcohol and just about anything else we can think of (even the building blocks of known life) are there for the taking if we ever can get off this Egg with a real robust space program. Rockets are not going to cut it IMO but at least they are a start. We need a real breakthrough in propulsion unless the secret space program some claim we have does indeed exist, which is doubtful IMO.

I spent 55 years flying and never saw a darn thing I could not explain...... and way back when, I looked with great better than 20/20 eye sight. Makes one feel like a reject....

(05-19-2022, 09:50 AM)BIAD Wrote:

(05-18-2022, 03:46 PM)Schmoe1 Wrote: I've been seeing a lot of UFO stuff in the news, a lot of it right before covid hit, then it died down, then the Russia fiasco, and now UFOs are all over the news again.  I feel like we're being fed a narrative, but then again, when are we not?

The Coming 'ET Threat' Will Be A Lie.
By Dr Carol Rosin


My name is Carol Rosin. I am an educator who became the first woman corporate manager of an Aerospace Company,
Fairchild Industries. I am a Space and Missile Defense Consultant and have consulted to a number of companies,
organizations, and government departments, even the intelligence community.

I was a consultant to TRW working on the MX missile, so I was part of that strategy, which turned out to be a role model
for how to sell space-based weapons to the public. The MX missile is yet another weapon system that we didn't need.

I founded the Institute for Security and Cooperation in Outer Space, a Washington DC based think tank. I am an author
and have testified before Congress and the President's Commission on Space.
 
When I was a Corporate Manager of Fairchild Industries from 1974 through 1977, I met the late Dr Wernher Von Braun.
We first met in early 1974. At that time, Von Braun was dying of cancer but he assured me that he would live a few more
years to tell me about the game that was being played - that game being the effort to weaponize space, to control the
Earth from space and space itself.

Von Braun had a history of working with weapons systems. He escaped from Germany to come to this country and
became a Vice President of Fairchild Industries when I had met him. Von Braun's purpose during the last years of
his life, his dying years, was to educate the public and decision-makers about why space-based weapons are dumb,
dangerous, destabilizing, too costly, unnecessary, unworkable, and an undesirable idea, and about the alternatives
that are available.

As practically a deathbed speech, he educated me about those concepts and who the players were in this game.
He gave me the responsibility, since he was dying, of continuing this effort to prevent the weaponization of outer
space. When Wernher Von Braun was dying of cancer, he asked me to be his spokesperson, to appear on
occasions when he was too ill to speak. I did this.

What was most interesting to me was a repetitive sentence that he said to me over and over again during the
approximately four years that I had the opportunity to work with him.

He said the strategy that was being used to educate the public and decision makers was to use scare tactics.
That was how we identify an enemy. The strategy that Wernher Von Braun taught me was that first the Russians
are going to be considered to be the enemy.

In fact, in 1974, they were the enemy, the identified enemy. We were told that they had "killer satellites".
We were told that they were coming to get us and control us-that they were "Commies."

Then terrorists would be identified, and that was soon to follow. We heard a lot about terrorism.

Then we were going to identify third- world country "crazies." We now call them Nations of Concern. But he said
that would be the third enemy against whom we would build space-based weapons.

The next enemy was asteroids. Now, at this point he kind of chuckled the first time he said it.
Asteroids-against asteroids we are going to build space-based weapons. 

And the funniest one of all was what he called aliens, extraterrestrials. That would be the final scare.
And over and over and over during the four years that I knew him and was giving speeches for him, he would
bring up that last card. "And remember Carol, the last card is the alien card. We are going to have to build
space-based weapons against aliens and all of it is a lie."...'

'...What he told me was that there is an accelerated effort in place. He didn't mention a timeline but he said
that it was going to be speeding up faster than anybody could possibly imagine. That the effort to put weapons
into space was not only based on a lie but would accelerate past the point of people even understanding it
until it was already up there and too late...'

'...The last card that was being held was the extraterrestrial enemy card. The intensity with which he said that, made
me realize that he knew something that he was too afraid to mention. He was too afraid to talk about it. He would not
tell me the details....'
..............................................................


'...In 1977, I was at a meeting in Fairchild Industries in a conference room called the War Room.
In that room were a lot of charts on the walls with enemies, identified enemies. There were other more obscure names,
names like Saddam Hussein and Khadafi. But we were talking then about terrorists, the potential terrorists. No one had
ever talked about this before but this was the next stage after the Russians against whom we were going to build these
space-based weapons.

I stood up in this meeting and I said, "Excuse me, why are we talking about these potential enemies against whom we
are going to build space-based weapons if, in fact, we know that they are not the enemy at this time?"

Well, they continued the conversation about how they were going to antagonize these enemies and that at some point,
there was going to be a war in the Gulf, a Gulf War. Now this is 1977, 1977! And they were talking about creating a war
in the Gulf Region when there was 25 billion dollars in the space-based weapons program that had yet to be identified.
It wasn't called the Strategic Defense Initiative, at least. Not until 1983.

This weapons system, then, had obviously been going on for some time and I didn't know anything about. So I stood up
in this meeting in 1977 and said, "I would like to know why we are talking about space-based weapons against these
enemies. I would like to know more about this. Would someone please tell me what this is about?"
Nobody answered. They just went on with this meeting as though I hadn't said anything.

Suddenly, I stood up in the room and said, "If nobody can tell me why you are planning a war in the Gulf when there is a
certain amount of money in a budget so that you can create the next set of weapons systems that will be the beginning
of the sell to the public about why we need space-based weapons, then consider this: my resignation.
And you will not hear from me again!"

And nobody said a word, because they were planning a war in the Gulf and it happened exactly as they planned it, on
time.

The room was filled with people in the revolving door game. There were people that I had seen once in a military uniform
and other times in a gray suit and an industry outfit. These people play a revolving door game. They work as consultants,
industry people, and/or military and intelligence people. They work in the industries and they revolve themselves through
these doors and right into government positions.

I stood up in this meeting and asked if I was hearing correctly. That when there was 25 billion dollars expended in the
space-based weapons budget, that there was going to be a war in the Gulf, stimulated, created, so that they could then
sell the next phase of weapons to the public and the decision-makers. This war was going to be created so that they
could dump the old weapons and create a whole new set of weapons. So I had to resign from that position. I could no
longer work in that industry...'
.................................

The Wernher von Braun threat sequence is: 1.Communism, 2.Terrorism, 3.Rogue Nations, 4.Asteroids and finally,
5.E.T.

Every time I hear about anything UFO in the news, I think of Wernher von Braun.

(05-19-2022, 03:36 PM)Schmoe1 Wrote:

(05-19-2022, 09:50 AM)BIAD Wrote:

(05-18-2022, 03:46 PM)Schmoe1 Wrote: I've been seeing a lot of UFO stuff in the news, a lot of it right before covid hit, then it died down, then the Russia fiasco, and now UFOs are all over the news again.  I feel like we're being fed a narrative, but then again, when are we not?

The Wernher von Braun threat sequence is: 1.Communism, 2.Terrorism, 3.Rogue Nations, 4.Asteroids and finally,
5.E.T.

Every time I hear about anything UFO in the news, I think of Wernher von Braun.

He left out the Ukrainian Nazis though.