Here's a ditty that Ninurta may 'enjoy' reading -if my memory serves.
The Guardian newspaper is one of the regulars, one of the corrupt mainstream medias that nudges its readers
to think a certain way.

They should come to Rogue Nation instead.

(Immediately Below Is The Editor's Opinion From Off Guardian, an alternative outlet)
More Guardian Lies About Nicaragua.

Editors note: The Guardian has been on a campaign of lies about Nicaragua.
They have taken sides and are not honest reporters but advocates for the coup.
Even though the falsity of their reporting has been repeatedly pointed out, they
continue on their disgraceful campaign of reporting false stories on Nicaragua.

The article below focused on the church being a sanctuary for protesters and
makes outlandish claims about incarceration of protesters. In fact, church leaders
were part of the violent failed coup. A clandestine recording, described in the
article below, of a Catholic bishop shows him claiming credit for the failed coup.

The leaked audio recording of a meeting Silvio Báez, Auxiliary Bishop of the
Archdiocese of Managua, is of a meeting held for the purpose of destabilizing
the government of Nicaragua.

The recordings show that Church leaders helped create the violent roadblocks,
are plotting more violence and want Daniel Ortega executed. Báez, who has been
unmasked as a principal conspirator in the violent coup attempt against the
President Daniel Ortega’s government.

The Catholic Church has been denounced by Nicaraguans for their open complicity
in the wave of violence that caused hundreds of deaths in Nicaragua.

Members of the church have been denounced for their collaboration with the tortures
and murders committed by the armed opposition “the Church was the center of torture,”
says Madelein García, teleSUR correspondent in Nicaragua.

In a video it is reported that Catholic Priest, Guillermo Barrios, helped torture Sandinista
supporter, Sander Bonilla, in Leon.
The Guardian paints a false story about the role of the church in the violent coup.
– Kevin Zeese, editor, popularresistance.org

Off Guardian Link:

Quote:'FABRICATED GUARDIAN STORIES AID VIOLENT FAILED COUP IN NICARAGUA
“Cathedral protests highlight Ortega’s broken Alliance with Nicaragua’s church” an article in today’s Guardian
by Toby Stirling has no true facts –this has become typical of The Guardian’s reporting on Nicaragua.



Even the pictures used are full of lies. The opposition put a number of crosses around the Managua Cathedral a
few weeks ago supposedly representing people killed by the government. The names on the crosses in the picture
are not opposition victims and moreover were not killed by the government:

For example, Darwin Alexander Salcedo Vílchez was a Sandinista supporter who was killed in Esteli, when a
caravan full of sandinistas heading to a pro-government march in Managua was attacked by an opposition group.

Gregorio Orozco was killed in the countryside in a murder unrelated to the political unrest; a report done by
Nicaraguan researcher, Enrique Hendrix, shows how Sandinista deaths and others unrelated to the protests
like Orozco’s are used to inflate the so-called Human Rights Organizations lists of government victims.

In the last few weeks scores of Sandinista family members have gone to the Managua cathedral to remove
crosses of loved ones that the opposition was using to try to shore up the numbers of dead that have been
at the heart of their anti-government campaign.

Any remaining crosses have since been removed by the church itself because the priests at the Cathedra
 have had to tone down their political activity and ask the opposition parishioners to do the same.

Managua’s Auxiliary Bishop, Silvio Baez, a known leader of the opposition, was caught on tape at a meeting
proudly boasting about the church’s role in the creation of the opposition Civic Alliance.

He also talked about the possibility of bringing back the roadblocks –the places where Sandinistas were kidnapped,
raped, tortured, and killed –and not just a few –over a hundred people were seriously tortured, some of them killed.

Bishop Baez was also taped saying how much he would like to see President Ortega put in front of a firing squad.
The Guardian tries to make the hierarchy out to be heroes when there are multiple videos showing priests participating
and directing torture of Sandinistas.

The audios of Bishop Baez, the veracity of which was confirmed by Cardenal Brenes, were made public the last week
of October; since then thousands of people have demanded Baez be removed.

The members of the Christian Base Community, Saint John Paul the Apostle in the September 14 neighborhood of
Managua wrote a petition to the Vatican requesting that Bishop Baez be sent to a post outside Nicaragua and to date
there are 491,576 signatures, including people’s identity card numbers.

The 44 boxes of petitions were received by the Papal Nuncio who said he will get them to Rome. In Nicaragua today
about 45 % of people are Catholic, so if you consider those 15 and older there might be 2 million Catholics.
A fourth have signed the petition to remove the bishop.

According to The Guardian protesting has been outlawed. This is a complete fabrication by the Nicaraguan opposition.
What’s more, not a single person has been arrested in Nicaragua for protesting. In Nicaragua the laws are similar to
those in most US and European cities: you have to get a permit. That’s it.

The Nicaraguan authorities had not been enforcing this law previously, presumably to avoid controversy.
The fact is they haven’t had a protest since this change because none of the opposition leaders are willing to put their
name on the permit request because if there is violence –which is usually the case –they will be held accountable.

The author also doubled his prisoner count to 550 when in reality the number of people who have been in prison related
to violence since April 18 is half that. Most were arrested beginning mid-July and these are people accused or already
sentenced for murder, torture, rape, arson and robbery.
Not exactly political prisoners.

And hundreds of people captured who were involved in coup violence but on a more minor scale have been released.
Nicaragua has been the victim of an attempted coup by the oligarchs, the Catholic church, US financed NGOs and the
US and major media like The Guardian have helped them...'

  NO! Say it Ain't so! Someone has LIED! 

Yeah Nin will have input on this I'm sure, he's always placed tons of blame on the Jesuits I believe/if memory serves me correctly for what happened there.. 

Good story, interesting topic.

Lordy! Sweet Jesus! Catholics fomenting unrest in a Central American nation? Unheard of! What the hell are they thinking?

Back in the day, they were on the other side, trying to get Ortega and the communists into the Presidential Palace. Now they want him executed? My, how things change!

The more I think about it, the more I think they just want the area unstable, and don't really give a damn WHO is on top, just as long as they don't stay on top for long.

That whole place is utterly and completely FUBAR. If we could manage to get all the Nicaraguans out of there, however, it would make a nice retirement home for me... and could it be that the Catholic Church is fomenting unrest just to herd the little bastards northward to the US in caravans?

El Salvador is about the same - and sure enough, they're herding Salvadorans north in droves, too! Honduras? Check. Guatemala? Check. I have a friend whose mother was present when Romero was assassinated in San Salvador. Son of a bitch had it coming to him, but she tends to frown when I mention that, so I don't - not very often, anyhow. She also has an uncle who was a Guardsman in Morazan who barely escaped by the skin of his teeth from the FMLN, so he was on my side, as was most of the family, but they just couldn't bring themselves to realize that Romero and the Catholics were working against their best interests at the time and should have been killed to the last person... but it seems like the Nicaraguans, at least, may have gotten a clue in the modern day, since they want rid of their Political Priest.

Fuckin' Jesuits! They're the ones that developed that goddamned "Liberation Theology", political Marxist-Catholicism, that caused so much trouble down there. They've been stirring shit down there since the Spanish first landed. They tried that here, too, by setting up a "mission" on the York peninsula in Virginia around 1572, but the Indians around here weren't having any of that, and massacred the whole damned bunch a few months later, all but one altar boy that they adopted. Didn't have any Conquistadors here to keep their sorry asses safe, and they got what they got. A boatload of Conquistadors under Menendez came in after the fact, and after a short scuffle sailed back the way they came with 8 or 9 Indians hung from the yardarms, but kept on going all the same, celebrating their pyrrhic victory... and they never came back, It just wasn't safe for 'em here.

They had better luck to the south, in Mexico, central America, and South America. Killed off Indians by the bushel, and enslaved the ones they didn't kill, with the Jesuits in the thick of things "converting" the poor heathens... mostly converting them to manual labor and slavish servitude for the Spaniards.

... and it's still the same, apparently. Jesuits don't give a shit who is in office, their problem is that they can't get enough slaves if ANYONE is, so they try and keep 'em off balance. I guess they think they'll have a better chance of slavin' 'em up if they can get them across the border into the land of the big PX - just another way of keeping them off balance, throwing them into unfamiliar territory then "protecting" them from us mean old gringoes who happen to live here already.

Fuck 'em. bring the whole damned bunch up here so that there isn't anyone to guard THEIR turf when I decide to move in for my retirement estate! By the time they get the entire US converted into a third world shithole, I should have had just enough time to fortify a much smaller border on the place they've abandoned, and turned it into an economic powerhouse before they come stumbling back for "asylum" from the crap hole they made here.

We'll be smart enough to mine the border so that there's early warning BOOMS whenever they try to sneak across our new border down there  for freebies.

ALSO, just for clarity - most of that "rebuttal" in the OP smacks of a Marxist Sandinista propaganda piece. Double check the names of the author's organizations. If you dig deep enough, you'll probably find a Jesuit underneath them, too!

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(11-19-2018, 10:22 AM)Ninurta Wrote: ... and could it be that the Catholic Church is fomenting unrest just to herd the little
bastards northward to the US in caravans?

El Salvador is about the same - and sure enough, they're herding Salvadorans north in droves, too! Honduras? Check. Guatemala? Check...

But why...? I mean I understand what you're saying, but is there a rational reason from the Catholic Church
that is in the interests of those heading north -other than enjoying an environment of chaos?!

Quote:ALSO, just for clarity - most of that "rebuttal" in the OP smacks of a Marxist Sandinista propaganda piece.
Double check the names of the author's organizations. If you dig deep enough, you'll probably find a Jesuit
underneath them, too!

That I will.

@"Ninurta"  "and could it be that the Catholic Church is fomenting unrest just to herd the little bastards northward to the US in caravans?"

Yup! Because America needs more illegal Catholic's. Why, we don't have enough families with Six Kids for the Parent and a 15 year old with a kid on her hip walking into the Walmart and running wild.
The men drinking on their way to the construction site and stopping for more beer on their way home, No Driver Lic and No Insurance.
The mothers won't leave the Newly Matured Daughters Home Alone with the Dad or Uncle and sometimes not even the Older Brother,,,,,, Why do you think that is.

Damn Religion's need to be Banned.

(11-19-2018, 07:45 PM)BIAD Wrote:

(11-19-2018, 10:22 AM)Ninurta Wrote: ... and could it be that the Catholic Church is fomenting unrest just to herd the little
bastards northward to the US in caravans?

El Salvador is about the same - and sure enough, they're herding Salvadorans north in droves, too! Honduras? Check. Guatemala? Check...

But why...? I mean I understand what you're saying, but is there a rational reason from the Catholic Church
that is in the interests of those heading north -other than enjoying an environment of chaos?!

Quote:ALSO, just for clarity - most of that "rebuttal" in the OP smacks of a Marxist Sandinista propaganda piece.
Double check the names of the author's organizations. If you dig deep enough, you'll probably find a Jesuit
underneath them, too!

That I will.

Hope you don't mind my thoughts, but have you noticed the political divisions among "Christians" in the United States? 

You have Catholics, Lutheran's and Methodists (in large part) that are far left, seeking to implement globalism.

Then you have a division among conservative "evangelicals" on the other side, one group are dominionists like Ted Cruz, (they see the U.S. as a type of Israel and seek to run it biblically) and the other group are staunch individualists. 

The individualists are who elected Trump and drove this election - just barely succeeding. 

We (The U.S.) are the largest country in the world, and the most powerful. If globalism wins here, it wins the world. 

The point of driving these people here, is because they will vote the way the globalists want them to vote.. they only need a few more voters strategically placed for this entire country to fall... 

And globalism is as much a Catholic agenda as it is a far left agenda.

(11-19-2018, 08:10 PM)guohua Wrote: @"Ninurta"  

Damn Religion's need to be Banned.

Well, while religion can be misinterpreted and give people incorrect worldviews, the anti religionists can be just as bad if not worse at times..   

In the end, it is my opinion that Christianity teaches individualism, very much so. And it is the worldview I see as being correct - to each his own is the best way to go about life. 

It is this worldview that is currently under attack.

(11-19-2018, 09:05 PM)Grace Wrote:

(11-19-2018, 08:10 PM)guohua Wrote: @"Ninurta"  

Damn Religion's need to be Banned.

Well, while religion can be misinterpreted and give people incorrect worldviews, the anti religionists can be just as bad if not worse at times..   

In the end, it is my opinion that Christianity teaches individualism, very much so. And it is the worldview I see as being correct - to each his own is the best way to go about life. 

It is this worldview that is currently under attack.

I could agree with you and I think Religious Organizations have an Agenda and I don't agree with them. JMHO

(11-19-2018, 08:49 PM)Grace Wrote: Hope you don't mind my thoughts, but have you noticed the political divisions among "Christians" in the United States? 

You have Catholics, Lutheran's and Methodists (in large part) that are far left, seeking to implement globalism.

Then you have a division among conservative "evangelicals" on the other side, one group are dominionists like Ted Cruz, (they see the U.S. as a type of Israel and seek to run it biblically) and the other group are staunch individualists. 

The individualists are who elected Trump and drove this election - just barely succeeding. 

We (The U.S.) are the largest country in the world, and the most powerful. If globalism wins here, it wins the world. 

The point of driving these people here, is because they will vote the way the globalists want them to vote.. they only
need a few more voters strategically placed for this entire country to fall... 

And globalism is as much a Catholic agenda as it is a far left agenda.

I certainly don't mind!

Religion -in regards of Christianity, doesn't seem a big thing over here in the UK in regards of political divisiveness
and it's only the radicalised-area of the Islamic faith that sometimes takes a battering in the Press.

I understand the Democrat-vote-option in the US, but I just wondered if Nicaragua had an old agenda to push.

(11-19-2018, 10:13 PM)BIAD Wrote: I understand the Democrat-vote-option in the US, but I just wondered if Nicaragua had an old agenda to push.

Pretty old. Nicaraguans have been bitching and whining about "US Imperialism" since William Walker invaded and took the place over in 1855. Every few years, you hear of another "US Invasion" of the area, and all the howling that entails. Never mind that Walker was captured and executed by Hondurans in 1860 - it's the "imperialism" that really counts! I've been waiting since 1979 to see Nicaraguans flood in and go on hunting expeditions in the US as "payback" for the Somoza government, which was supported by the US - until it wasn't any more and the Marxists took the place over in the ensuing advantage of being supported by world Marxism while Somoza was abandoned by all of his former "allies".

I actually did see some of them in 1984 or '85 at Camp Peary, but found out later they were Contras there for a bit of specialized training.

The reason for the Catholics in general and the Jesuits in particular to herd them north is the same as it has always been - a lust for control. Control of the US via flooding the vote with their own minions, and control of their minions by claiming to "protect" them against the mean old Gringoes that you find on every street corner in this godforsaken land. If they can concentrate enough minions in the right places, they can control the US vote and the US workforce, and create a permanent underclass of the Americans unwilling to leave... kinda like they, and the English colonists, and the French colonists did to the Indians back in colonial days in the New World.

The problem is that they would have to export nearly the entire population of central America to the US in order to get a sizeable enough army to challenge the tobacco-chewing Gringoes - and it appears to me that is exactly what they are after. that would, of course, not leave enough personnel back home to guard the home front, and we could just move right in and take the place over, leaving the north to it's fate while fortifying our new turf against the inevitable Reconquista of central America.

Just like William Walker.

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(11-19-2018, 08:10 PM)guohua Wrote: @"Ninurta"  "and could it be that the Catholic Church is fomenting unrest just to herd the little bastards northward to the US in caravans?"

Yup! Because America needs more illegal Catholic's. Why, we don't have enough families with Six Kids for the Parent and a 15 year old with a kid on her hip walking into the Walmart and running wild.
The men drinking on their way to the construction site and stopping for more beer on their way home, No Driver Lic and No Insurance.

Oh snap! You mean they intend to replace us HILLBILLIES?

If that's their intent, they should probably start out small - take over New York, Chicago, New Orleans, Miami, Washington DC, etc. before they move out into the hinterlands where the mean kids play!

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(11-19-2018, 10:13 PM)BIAD Wrote: Religion -in regards of Christianity, doesn't seem a big thing over here in the UK in regards of political divisiveness
and it's only the radicalised-area of the Islamic faith that sometimes takes a battering in the Press.

It didn't used to be a big thing here, either. Then Jerry Falwell and his stupid-assed "Moral Majority" (which, as it turned out, was neither) came along and politicized religion in the US just like the Jesuits had done in Central America with their "Liberation Theology" (which, again, was neither).

Religion and politics don't mix well, but the dumbasses keep on trying to mix them. Deity does not care who is running the physical, secular world - it's the intangible and spiritual that it concerns itself with. Otherwise, Genghis Khan, Atilla the Hun, Xerxes, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Jimmy Carter, Both Bushes, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and their likes would have never made it into office.

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