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Something is cooking...
(07-18-2018, 11:18 AM)Wallfire Wrote: There is something that has been bothering me about all of this ( what only one thing they ask).
Ok Im a trained killer, I know how dangerous the nerve agent is, and I have been trained how to use it and not get myself killed. So I use it then drive a few miles to a park and dump the ONLY thing that can identify me, and connect the whole thing to my boss in a place that it WILL be found.
Why not find a river, stream , lake, hold the container under the water open it and destroy all evidence without any danger. I find it impossible to believe that the killers would not be trained how to depose of all the evidence.
Why did it take so long to "find" the bottle in the house ? why use a nerve agent that is so easy to say it comes from Russia ? 
Sorry but all the parts just dont fit togather

It is a puzzle with the limited information, Wallfire.
The container was -if Mathew Rowley's conversation with his brother, Charlie is correct, was actually found in
Queen Elizabeth Park which is only around a thousand feet from the play-area the Skripals were struck down.

I say this with a new suggestion 'experts' are now putting forward.

Quote:Novichok victim Dawn Sturgess died after spraying nerve poison that smelled of ammonia
from a perfume bottle onto both wrists, her boyfriend reveals.

Novichok victim Dawn Sturgess sprayed killer nerve gas from a perfume bottle
Her partner Charlie Rowley, still critically ill, spoke to his brother in a phone call 
Charlie 'remembered that Dawn had sprayed the perfume on both her wrists'
He also 'vaguely recollects there being an odd ammonia-type smell' from bottle'

'...Charlie Rowley, who is in a critical but stable condition in hospital, made the admission to
his brother during an emotional phone conversation yesterday evening.
The couple collapsed a few hours apart on June 30 at Mr Rowley's flat, in Amesbury,
Wiltshire...'


Quote:'...Charlie, 45, is unable to remember where exactly he and his partner found the perfume bottle
but it is understood to be near Salisbury city centre close to the spot the Skripals fell ill...'


Quote:'...Matthew Rowley, who lives in Warminster, Wiltshire, told MailOnline: 'My brother told me that
he remembered that Dawn had sprayed the perfume on both her wrists.
'He doesn't recall much of what happened afterwards but that particular detail is stuck in his mind.

'He also mentioned that he vaguely recollects there being an odd ammonia-type smell from the
perfume. 'We don't know yet if he had direct contact with the nerve agent like Dawn appears to
have done or whether it was after he had touched her...'
MailOnline:

So the 'door-knob' theory is losing momentum now, a possible gel on the door wouldn't explain how
nobody saw the application of it, the length of time it took to activate and the limited victim-count.

Remember, Det Sgt Nick Bailey is said to have taken ill when discovering the Skripals in the play-area
and there's no information to say he ever visited Sergei Skripal's house in Christie Miller Street.

However, as you point out, disposing of such a deadly toxin in the manner suggested above, shortens
the length of time for escape and being identified. If Charlie Rowley's recollections are true, then a
perfume spray bottle with the Novichok inside was discarded with a confidence that locating the weapon
wasn't a concern for the killer.
Putting it another way -he/she were certain they would get away and not be caught.

If we agree the initial poisoning was at Skripal's home, then the would-be assassin -that we may assume
used a vehicle to make his escape, would have to drive west out of the housing estate, turn south down
Canadian Avenue and reach the A36 known as Wilton Road.

After 50 feet, he would turn right down Cherry Orchard Lane which would allow him to drive under the
main railway lines. It's a bit of a run, but arriving at the junction where it meets 'Lower Road', the fleeing
killer would ignore the wooded wasteland close by and turn left.

Driving further, Lower Road becomes known as 'Churchfields Road' and runs parallel to where the
train-tracks coming in and out of Salisbury Station.

It's a long way, but after getting to a roundabout, we turn left again into Mill Road and follow the curved
route past Queen Elizabeth II Park to get to a conventional car-park...
or pull our vehicle across oncoming traffic and park on Mill Road near a track called 'The Town Path'.

From there, we can casually walk into the Queen Elizabeth II park area and dispose of the nerve-agent
container.
..........................................

That's a long way to go to discard the dangerous material and then screw-up by not hiding it properly.
And... you have to be familiar with the area -as Mr. G pointed out.
..........................................

I'm struggling to understand why Sergei Skripal wasn't assassinated when he visited Poland or during
the years when he was imprisoned or the eight years he lived in retirement in Salisbury.

The only subject I've seen discussed is a possible connection to the Steele Dossier regarding the 2016
US election. If viable, this would make the timing of the attempted killing appropriate.

But then you have to somehow connect to Russia and it's influence in the dossier's largely-unsubstantiated
information. When searching, some strange facts emerge.
Pablo Miller is an MI6 agent and was Skripal's handler, he recruited him in the 1990s.
Pablo Miller's boss was Christopher Steele.
Pablo Miller is now working with a British security consultancy named Orbis Business Intelligence.
Pablo Miller lives nearby to the Skripal house.

In regards of limited reporting, the once-senior civil servant at the UK Ministry of Defence-turned-whistleblower
-Clive Ponting stated:
"The policeman [Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey] who ‘just happened’ to be around was almost certainly the
Special Branch ‘minder’ who was keeping Yulia under surveillance."... and
"The media are not allowed to mention the existence of a D Notice."
*D Notice -A government notice issued to news editors requiring them not to publicise
certain information for reasons of national security.*

Wallfire is correct, all the parts just don't fit together, but it might be that certain parties don't want them to.

I'll keep digging!
Edith Head Gives Good Wardrobe. 


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Something is cooking... - by DuckforcoveR - 02-24-2018, 05:12 PM
RE: Something is cooking... - by Wallfire - 02-24-2018, 05:22 PM
RE: Something is cooking... - by DuckforcoveR - 02-24-2018, 05:27 PM
RE: Something is cooking... - by Mystic Wanderer - 02-24-2018, 06:27 PM
RE: Something is cooking... - by guohua - 02-24-2018, 11:02 PM
RE: Something is cooking... - by DuckforcoveR - 02-28-2018, 03:15 AM
RE: Something is cooking... - by DuckforcoveR - 03-01-2018, 02:04 AM
RE: Something is cooking... - by Mystic Wanderer - 03-01-2018, 05:42 AM
RE: Something is cooking... - by BIAD - 03-06-2018, 11:16 PM
RE: Something is cooking... - by BIAD - 03-08-2018, 12:28 PM
RE: Something is cooking... - by Mystic Wanderer - 03-08-2018, 08:12 PM
RE: Something is cooking... - by BIAD - 03-15-2018, 01:43 PM
RE: Something is cooking... - by Wallfire - 03-15-2018, 06:25 PM
RE: Something is cooking... - by BIAD - 03-15-2018, 06:40 PM
RE: Something is cooking... - by guohua - 03-15-2018, 08:40 PM
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RE: Something is cooking... - by Mystic Wanderer - 03-15-2018, 10:54 PM
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RE: Something is cooking... - by BIAD - 03-17-2018, 11:41 AM
RE: Something is cooking... - by BIAD - 03-18-2018, 11:21 AM
RE: Something is cooking... - by Wallfire - 03-18-2018, 11:35 AM
RE: Something is cooking... - by BIAD - 03-18-2018, 12:00 PM
RE: Something is cooking... - by Ninurta - 03-19-2018, 06:53 AM
RE: Something is cooking... - by Mystic Wanderer - 03-19-2018, 04:15 PM
RE: Something is cooking... - by Wallfire - 03-19-2018, 11:09 AM
RE: Something is cooking... - by Ninurta - 03-20-2018, 08:16 AM
RE: Something is cooking... - by Wallfire - 03-19-2018, 05:05 PM
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RE: Something is cooking... - by Wallfire - 07-05-2018, 11:11 AM
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RE: Something is cooking... - by Wallfire - 07-05-2018, 01:39 PM
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RE: Something is cooking... - by Mystic Wanderer - 07-05-2018, 09:37 PM
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RE: Something is cooking... - by Wallfire - 07-06-2018, 10:45 AM
RE: Something is cooking... - by Wallfire - 07-06-2018, 12:28 PM
RE: Something is cooking... - by guohua - 07-06-2018, 11:26 PM
RE: Something is cooking... - by BIAD - 07-06-2018, 09:19 PM
RE: Something is cooking... - by Wallfire - 07-07-2018, 10:37 AM
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RE: Something is cooking... - by BIAD - 07-09-2018, 08:25 AM
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RE: Something is cooking... - by Wallfire - 07-09-2018, 12:10 PM
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RE: Something is cooking... - by Wallfire - 07-09-2018, 01:53 PM
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RE: Something is cooking... - by Wallfire - 07-18-2018, 11:18 AM
RE: Something is cooking... - by BIAD - 07-18-2018, 01:02 PM
RE: Something is cooking... - by Wallfire - 07-18-2018, 02:17 PM
RE: Something is cooking... - by Mystic Wanderer - 07-18-2018, 03:07 PM
RE: Something is cooking... - by guohua - 07-18-2018, 07:40 PM
RE: Something is cooking... - by BIAD - 07-18-2018, 08:57 PM
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RE: Something is cooking... - by Wallfire - 07-22-2018, 12:10 PM
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RE: Something is cooking... - by Wallfire - 07-25-2018, 11:02 AM
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RE: Something is cooking... - by BIAD - 07-25-2018, 05:49 PM
RE: Something is cooking... - by Wallfire - 07-29-2018, 04:00 PM
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