(07-08-2018, 03:16 PM)Wallfire Wrote: I now stress one thing, I AM NOT AN EXPERT in this field, but when I read about the side effects of the people affected by this latest "attack " another drug comes to mind and its Fentanyl.
I've seen that suggestion elsewhere and I'll take a look at where I saw it.
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Ignoring the warnings of the nerve-agent's potency, the duration from first contact to the manifestations
of it's actions and the life-span in an opitimum contained situation, following the couple's reported route
might give clues to how lethal (and stealthy!) Novichok is.
It astouds me that these two found what so-called experts failed to discover. There've been reports
of Dawn Sturgess and Charlie Rowley 'dumpster-diving' and coming across a syringe. Finding a
container under bushes somewhere and somehow becoming contaminated by passing the restaurant
where the Skripals ate!
Four months after a deadly Russian chemical was mixed and applied, a doorknob of the Skripals house
taken away for examination, miles of Salisbury scoured by Hazmat-wearing professionals, Zizzi's eating
establishment closed along with the public house the Skripals drank in, clothing from the public taken and
destroyed and these two drug-abusers beat the odds?!!!
This also includes any dumpsters not be checked and not being emptied for four months too!
The guys at Porton Down labs must have red faces or are laughing their asses off.
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Tracking the latest couple's movements from the media's timeline.
Friday 29th June.
We're to assume that Rowley and Sturgess first went to a chemists (drug store) in Salisbury and also
presuming that the beginning of this timeline starts at the woman's 'John Baker Homeless Housing'
apartment, the first chemists (drug store) would be in the same same street. Rollestone Street.
Incidently, it's now reported that Homeless building has been evacuated.
If our goal is to get the couple from an assumed place of accommodation to the Queen Elizabeth Gardens
-where they supposedly 'relaxing'.
Setting-off from Dawn Sturgess' house in the Salisbury would be the rational supposition.
Even though Salisbury is an old English town, the area we're interested is basically laid-out in blocks.
Rollestone street runs north-south, when it crosses a east-west road (Salt Lane) at the north-end, it keeps
its name until it reaches Bedwin Street and then is no more.
Going south on Rollestone Street, it meets Winchester Street that runs east-west and changes it's name
to Brown Street.
The Three Swans Pharmacy is almost parallel with Ms. Sturgess' living accommodation in Rollestone street.
And assuming drug-use and housing those using such chemicals are usually connected, one may offer that
the pharmacy would be a regular haunt for those seeking equipment to administer such drugs or look for ways
of staying off them.
But it's also reported that the couple visited -after a chemists, an off-licence (liquor store) and then a charity
shop (thrift-shop).
If we continue south on Rollestone Street, we reach the corner of Winchester Street and we're also travelling
in the general direction of the Queen Elizabeth Gardens, where the couple were reported to have 'relaxed'
West of that corner, on Winchester Street is 'Cambridge Wine Merchants' where alcohol can be purchased.
The only other off-licence is The Premier Off-Licence which is far west of Rollestone Street, but nearer the
Gardens than the Cambridge Wine Merchants.
Cambridge Wine Merchants is separated by two betting-shops from 'The British Red Cross Shop' that
is also on Winchester Street. It is a charity shop.
However, there's an abundance of such charitable properties south of this location and I would wager that if
the wine-merchants is the correct place and Rowley and Sturgess didn't use the Red Cross establishment,
they would procede west along Winchester Street to Queen Street that runs north-south.
Travelling south, Queen Street meets east-west Milford Street and magically morphs into 'Catherine Street'!
It's stll aiming south and this thoroughfare is lined with thrift shops.
Two Oxfam shops, South Wiltshire MenCap (mentally-handicapped) on the western side of the street.
Trussell Trust Charity Shop, The Hospice Shop, Sailors' Society Shop, Barnardos, Cancer Research Charity
Shop on the east.
Arriving at the southern end of Catherine Street and turning west, we take a long walk along New Street.
There are only two charity shops on this road, they're not too-far from our desired location.
There's another Trussell Trust Charity store and a Dogs Trust Charity Shop. Passing these two places
and continuing west, we cross the River Avon and arrive at the Queen Elizabeth Gardens.
Phew!
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If the route I suggested above is true, when searching for a Drug Store (apart from the one in Rollestone Street)
-along that route one would find a 'Superdrug' store behind the western-side of Catherine Street and and another
of the same company just-off New Street.
There is a 'Boots' Chemists, but the company name of a chemists in the articles is only mentioned when the
couple are in Amesbury. The Boots Chemists in Salisbury is in Silver Street, but it's not conducive with visiting
charity shops. It's possible only because it would be between Ms. Sturgess' home and the park, but it means
a meandering path to include the charity shops.
But there's one more place where needle-exchange is done and that's Harcourt Medical Centre and it's right
next to The Queen Elizabeth Gardens. But... that would reverse the account given by the mainstream Press
where they reported a chemists, an off-licence, a charity shop and then the gardens.
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Returning from The Queen Elizabeth Gardens.
Taking the leap of faith that after their relaxing time in the foliage-laden gardens named to commemorate the
coronation of Queen Elizabeth II in the sixties, we're to believe Rowley and Sturgess did one-of-two things
The couple parted and Ms. Sturgess made her way back to her accommodation in Rollestone Street alone or she
was accompanied by Mr. Rowley.
Either way, The MailOnline states that 'she' returned to her flat near Zizzi's Restaurant where the Skripals dined
before their poisoning. It's possible, Zizzi's is on an almost direct route to Ms. Sturgess' home from the park,
but it's nowhere near her home.
And it would mean that the area around the restaurant, the corner of the nearby play-area where the Skripals were
discovered convulsing and the surrounding streets, had not been thoroughly investigated.
And also that for four months, this busy area -cordoned off for most of the time, contained the dangerous material
accessible to the public. What unique abilities did this pair have to find such a well-hidden nerve-agent?
I call b*llshit on this and offer that if a dangerous container was discovered by Rowley and Sturgess, it was found
in the Queen Elizabeth Park, taken back to her flat and only scrutinised the next day. If not that, then it's location was
in Amesbury.
And if both are wrong, it was mis-use of heroin that caused their attacks and the British Government are using the
incident as a support-story for the Skripal attack.
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That Next Day! Saturday 30th June.
Dawn Sturgess leaves her flat in the John Baker Homeless Housing building of Salisbury and somehow travels the
9.3 miles north to Amesbury. No personal vehicles are mentioned throughout any of the reports, so it was on-foot or
by public transport.
The A345 is not an ideal walk for a pedestrian during the hot weather the UK has recently enjoyed, so I'd suggest she
used the bus. It only takes around thirty minutes.
Possibly disembarking south and outside of small town near Stonehenge, Muggleton Road is part of a new housing
estate where the properties sell at over £400,000 ($531,519.20)
It's not on Google maps, but I suspect it's a section of housing just off Penny Lane at the south-east of Amesbury.
The estate is known as 'King's Gate' and it's close... really close to Boscombe Down Ministry Of Defence.
Read into that, what you will!
It could be that with the ever-creasing burden of caring for the vulnerable, the Amesbury parish believed a particular
type of housing in an affluent setting would encourage community spirit and show a better life is available to those who
struggle with substances.
It could also be that lucrative Government monies are accessible to Councils and construction companies when building
communities that attach social-housing into their plans.
Around half-a-mile north of 'Muggleton Road' is the Amesbury Baptist Centre that lies on northern edge of the roundabout
of Porton Road and Butterfield Drive. It's reported the couple walked to this church and Dawn Sturgess became ill during
their time there and returned back -possiby with Charlie Rowley, to his flat.
But note the bottom section of this announcement.
(From Amesbury Baptist Centre website.)
"On Saturday 30th June, Amesbury Baptist Church held a community fun day and this
was a well-planned and successful afternoon for all who attended. We are not aware
of any concerns from the day itself and no one was taken ill.
We were shocked to learn that Charlie Rowley and Dawn Sturgess are in a critical
condition in hospital having been exposed to nerve agent. Only Mr Rowley attended
our event.
Revd Barry M Davis"
SOURCE:
So did Dawn Sturgess not attend the 'Fun Day'...? If not, where did she go? Did she go anywhere?!
At Rowley's abode, a telephone call was made to the hospital and an ambulance takes Ms. Sturgess the 10.9 miles back
south to Salisbury District Hospital west of Salisbury town centre.
Not accompanying his female friend, Charlie Rowley either revisits community fun day at Amesbury Baptist Church -because
the announcement above states it was 'a succesful afternoon' or sets out to travel the 1.5 miles north-west to the Boots Pharmacy
in Salisbury Street, Amesbury.
Why he went to the drug-store remains unknown, but it seems odd that after using the facility, he walks the three miles back to his
house to retrieve clothing for Ms. Sturgess. There's no account of Mr. Rowley actually visiting his friend on Saturday afternoon and
so that evening, another telephone call was made to the hospital due to Charlie Rowley becoming seriously ill as well.
The MailOnline reported that neighbours were told there was a gas-leak, but why would they be told that unless Rowley's symptoms
implied a reaction to domestic gas? Were the 'neighbours' also vulnerable residents of King's Gate?
There's no more information until Monday when the Police announce that a 'contaminated batch' of drugs may be the cause of Dawn
and Charlie's woes. Then Tuesday, it becomes the official 'Novichok' incident.
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A friend of the couple, Sam Hobson -who is only 29 years old when considering Ms. Sturgess is 44 and Rowley is 45 years-old,
said he spent the day with them and stated that Ms Sturgess first went to hospital on Saturday at 11am.
Speaking, he said "...Mr Hobson and Mr Rowley, then went to a number of places in the town centre and attended a church fair
in Amesbury..."
Who is he and recalling that the church's website said Rowley attended the fun-fair and it was a successful afternoon, what time
was available for the chemist visit and returning to the Housing Association's flat? By placing the fete at the latter-end of his
comment implies it was the last place they visited.
It may be that Ms. Sturgess returned to Rowley's digs alone and if so, how ill was she?
Hobson continues.
He told Reporters “I was speaking to him, getting no response. They thought first it was drugs but now they know it’s not the drugs.”
Mr Hobson said the police and fire brigade were in “hazard suits and they cordoned it all off”.
IrishTimes:
He or 'they' thought it was the drugs...? They were using drugs in the flat, the church fete or the chemists?!
After all, he spent the day with them.
There's a lot of confusion in this incident and it doesn't add up.
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This just-in.
Quote:NOVICHOK 'CRACK DEN'The SUN:
Novichok victims Dawn Sturgess and Charlie Rowley ‘picked up the nerve agent vial from a park drug den’.
Neighbour Tom Ricks told The Sun on Sunday drug dealers keep their stashes hidden in the Queen Elizabeth
Gardens.
'Novichok victims Dawn Sturgess and Charlie Rowley picked up the nerve agent vial from a park drug den, a
neighbour says. Tom Ricks said dealers often placed stashes in their crack hideout at Queen Elizabeth Gardens
in Salisbury, Wiltshire.
He believes Dawn, 44, and Charlie, 45 -both fighting for their lives -went to the park and picked up a package
contaminated with the poison before taking it home. Mechanic Tom, 31, said: “I think it already had Novichok on it.
"That or they picked up the Novichok container from the same spot. It is terrifying.”
Forensic investigators in protective suits yesterday continued to scour potentially contaminated sites, including
Charlie’s flat above Tom’s in Amesbury, near Salisbury, where the couple fell ill last weekend.
Dawn’s mother Caroline is said to have told pals she fears her “lost soul” daughter is being denied the same care
as poisoned Russians Sergei and Yulia Skripal as she is a “nobody alcoholic”.
Queen Elizabeth Gardens is a known spot for boozers and drug users and is a five-minute walk from where the
Skripals were found after being poisoned by Novichok on March 4. Dawn may be brain damaged after she was
starved of oxygen for 30 minutes, her son Ewen said.
He added: “They said she had the same symptoms as the Skripals. “I told her, ‘I love you, mum. I just want you to
wake up and get better’.
A cop from Salisbury who feared he had Novichok symptoms was examined and given the all-clear last night...'
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