Evidence that demands a verdict

[Ninurta]

...“Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand."

Some things just aren't meant for all to understand and codes are among those things...

Without meaning to come-off as swaggering, this is why the character 'Boy In A Dress' was created.

Um... that looks more like a swishing sashay than a swagger... I gotta admit, though, it's better than walking like a truck driver in that red dress and heels! Then again,  who am I to judge walk types? My knuckles drag the ground when I walk!

Debates are fine as long as a belief isn't being debated. It's just personal -in my opinion.

Sorry for butting-in.

Exactly!

Here's what most laymen in these discussions fail to understand, and what it took two scientists tag-teaming me to get through my thick skull: "science" and "religion" are not mutually exclusive - according to science, anyhow. They deal with two entirely different things. Comparing one to the other, or trying to use one to support or refute the other, is like trying to make apple cider with oranges.

Science deals with the concrete, the observable, the repeatable, the falsifiable. Things you can experiment on, and/or lay hands on.

Try laying hands on a deity, and you'll soon understand the difference!

Religion, on the other hand, relies on faith and belief, the esoteric, mostly unobservable, rarely repeatable, and never falsifiable. If a theory cannot be falsified, it is not "science". religious things cannot be falsified, because they cannot be experimented on. What good is a god with electrodes stuck to it's head by it's followers? It rapidly becomes a "not god". If you falsify your religion, you just blew it up, and it's not a viable religion any more - and ALL things in science must be falsifiable, or they are not science.

Furthermore, religion , since it does rely on faith, is destroyed as soon as it is "proven". Once proven, it no longer requires faith, and is therefore no longer religion. The bible itself says so:

"11 - When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me.

12 - For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13 - And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love."

- 1 Corinthians 13:11-13, NIV  (which is, of course, the only true version of the bible that isn't in the original languages!)

Science can neither support nor refute religion, because of the very natures of the two different fields. Likewise, religion can neither support nor refute science, for the same reason.

It IS entertaining, however, to watch both sides go at one another in their efforts to do so, and steal the other side's premises and thunder for their own! Makes "capture the flag" look positively relaxing!

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