What is a woman ?

[TDDA]

Most of you all never fail to live up to my expectations, which admittedly are pretty bottom of the barrel low.  

I could not care less about your expectations because so far you added nothing to the thread. Other than veiled insults and trying to instigate a discussion that caves to your likings, from your high horse.

[purplemer]

In spite of what you may have heard or seen discussed I have (do not think but actually have) the answer but would like to hear other people's thoughts before I disclose the one supreme truth that is irrefutable IMO.

Funny that we live in world where we have to ask such things..

:-)

[purplemer]

In spite of what you may have heard or seen discussed I have (do not think but actually have) the answer but would like to hear other people's thoughts before I disclose the one supreme truth that is irrefutable IMO.

You want the supreme truth eh... you ready for it..

Hermetic Principle 7: Gender

“Gender is in everything; everything has its Masculine and Feminine Principles; Gender manifests on all planes.” - The Kybalion

We are a mix of these things.. So is everything else in the universe..

[Ninurta]

My spidey-senses are telling me that this thread is fixing to veer off into the weeds.

Don't do it.

Just... don't do it.

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[Ninurta]

Most of you all never fail to live up to my expectations, which admittedly are pretty bottom of the barrel low.  

Nope. Not gonna fly. Pull back before you crash.

[Ninurta]

Most of you all never fail to live up to my expectations, which admittedly are pretty bottom of the barrel low.  

I could not care less about your expectations because so far you added nothing to the thread. Other than veiled insults and trying to instigate a discussion that caves to your likings, from your high horse.

Nope. Not gonna fly. Pull back before you crash.

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[Sol]

I just find it strange that this thread went from "What is a woman?" to a LGBT (add as many letters as you want here) comments zone.

My version of a woman is for me to know. It is a personal opinion. My version of a man is also for me to know but mind you, I don't see the young generations of men anywhere close to what we were, when we were young. And that is ok with me. I know that my grandfather was having the same kind of thought about my generation. Different times, different men AND different women.

But the LGBT community, for me, is a totally different ballgame. I respect it, yet don't always agree with what they represent or pursue.

For me, the LGBT community is extremely similar to some people of the black community, who also feel like they aren't accepted but will yell racism at the first comment that goes against their way of feeling, their way of thinking, their way of acting. The others are all wrong. Not them. Never.

It's an argument no one can ever win, when the choice of a legit debate cannot even exist.

And that is something that I often see, from certain people of the LGBT commnunity AND the black community.

To get myself back on track, my definition of a woman?

[Ninurta]

 but mind you, I don't see the young generations of men anywhere close to what we were, when we were young. And that is ok with me. I know that my grandfather was having the same kind of thought about my generation. Different times, different men AND different women.

And that is at the heart of it. Testosterone levels in men have, in general, been steadily decreasing for the last 150 years or so. But being a "man" or a "woman" cannot be boiled down to just genetics or hormones. It's a complex melange of all of that, plus the effects on brain chemistry and function. There is no simple answer to the question, and since I am a simple man, that is why I didn't even attempt to answer it.

There just ain't no "one size fits all" answer, and currently in the world there are way too many people willing to die on the hill that they think is the "right" one, to the exclusion of the potential for anyone else to be "right" as well, but "right" as in having just a different piece of a much bigger puzzle. They end up taking fire from all of the other "right" hills occupied by folks with tunnel vision, but staring down a different tunnel. They do not allow for the inclusion and diversity inherent in the blending of the several different aspects, all in different proportions according to which individual is under the microscope, that all work together in a complex dance to create a "man" or a "woman".

Tunnel vision is a very bad thing - it blinds one to the different discoveries to be made all around, outside of that tunnel.

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[NightskyeB4Dawn]

I just find it strange that this thread went from "What is a woman?" to a LGBT (add as many letters as you want here) comments zone.

My version of a woman is for me to know. It is a personal opinion. My version of a man is also for me to know but mind you, I don't see the young generations of men anywhere close to what we were, when we were young. And that is ok with me. I know that my grandfather was having the same kind of thought about my generation. Different times, different men AND different women.

But the LGBT community, for me, is a totally different ballgame. I respect it, yet don't always agree with what they represent or pursue.

For me, the LGBT community is extremely similar to some people of the black community, who also feel like they aren't accepted but will yell racism at the first comment that goes against their way of feeling, their way of thinking, their way of acting. The others are all wrong. Not them. Never.

It's an argument no one can ever win, when the choice of a legit debate cannot even exist.

And that is something that I often see, from certain people of the LGBT commnunity AND the black community.

To get myself back on track, my definition of a woman?

Maybe it would help if we stopped putting people n groups and allowed them to be the individual asses that they are. Placing them in a group gives them a sanctuary where they can seek validation, and we provide them protection and remove them from responsibility.

I work right up close and personal with adults, pre-teens, teens, and parents from across the different cultures and financial status. Almost never do they function, speak, or behave the same, even if they share a culture or skin tone.

I don't lump all Whites, Blacks, Women, Children, Christian, etc, etc, etc, into one group. It may be easier for me because it is a part of my job and I know what kind of trouble you can get into, or make, when you assume anything about an individual based solely on what you perceive to be true.

Also I would get ripped in court if I came with just my preconceived ideas and speculation.

I am not talking about the "some not all" defense. Because 90% of the time when that is said, the person is thinking all, and rarely some.

[NightskyeB4Dawn]

I don't lump all Whites, Blacks, Women, Children, Christian, etc, etc, etc, into one group. It may be easier for me because it is a part of my job and I know what kind of trouble you can get into, or make, when you assume anything about an individual based solely on what you perceive to be true.

As this is written, this is not true. Please allow me to clarify.

When I speak of children, teens, Blacks, Whites, etc etc, etc, I am usually using the groups as they are categorized. I try extremely hard not to use that as an identifier for the individual person I am interacting with.
The forms I use is full of categories. They ask for race, ethnicity, age, gender, she, them, they pronouns, and a ton of other identifiers. I am sure the government has a ton of reason for requesting this information, but I cannot use any of that information to make a determination on what type of person my patient is. It does not tell me what they think, what they fear, what they desire, what they have done. I have to start with a blank slate and let my patient draw the picture.

This is not something that is easy for me to turn on and off. So I, more times than not, meet all individuals I don't know with an open mind, and I allow them to draw the picture that tells me who they are.

I have been known to poke and prod a little bit, to fill in any blank spaces that show up, but I honestly prefer leaving the baggage I carry at the door before I open that door.

It is the easiest, and very natural thing to do. Categorizing, comparing, making assumptions based on our perceived knowledge and past experiences. All mushrooms are not the same, and is worth the effort to not get it wrong.


Again. Just my opinion.

[Freija]

Most of you all never fail to live up to my expectations, which admittedly are pretty bottom of the barrel low.  

I could not care less about your expectations because so far you added nothing to the thread. Other than veiled insults and trying to instigate a discussion that caves to your likings, from your high horse.

Nope. Not gonna fly. Pull back before you crash.

Dear Daddy Overlord,

Don't worry, I'm taking @"NightskyeB4Dawn"'s advice about the game not ending until you refuse to play. It should also be noted that I did try to bring some humor into play and I said nothing about LGB or T crap.

As to my low expectations, I maybe I should have specified when it comes to this topic? I also hold quite a few here in high regard for the most part but when it comes this subject, that's not always the case especially by some that have been strongly influenced by their active participation at that other place that has a definite hard-on of hate and ignorance toward most everything trans and LGB.


I could respond and offer counter arguments to some of the posted comments recognizing this was meant to be inflammatory from its inception but I'm going to go play my pretend race cars instead. That game is a lot more fun than this one.

Cheers  

[EndtheMadnessNow]

I just find it strange that this thread went from "What is a woman?" to a LGBT (add as many letters as you want here) comments zone.

My version of a woman is for me to know. It is a personal opinion. My version of a man is also for me to know but mind you, I don't see the young generations of men anywhere close to what we were, when we were young. And that is ok with me. I know that my grandfather was having the same kind of thought about my generation. Different times, different men AND different women.

But the LGBT community, for me, is a totally different ballgame. I respect it, yet don't always agree with what they represent or pursue.

For me, the LGBT community is extremely similar to some people of the black community, who also feel like they aren't accepted but will yell racism at the first comment that goes against their way of feeling, their way of thinking, their way of acting. The others are all wrong. Not them. Never.

It's an argument no one can ever win, when the choice of a legit debate cannot even exist.

And that is something that I often see, from certain people of the LGBT commnunity AND the black community.

To get myself back on track, my definition of a woman?

Maybe it would help if we stopped putting people n groups and allowed them to be the individual asses that they are. Placing them in a group gives them a sanctuary where they can seek validation, and we provide them protection and remove them from responsibility.

I work right up close and personal with adults, pre-teens, teens, and parents from across the different cultures and financial status. Almost never do they function, speak, or behave the same, even if they share a culture or skin tone.

I don't lump all Whites, Blacks, Women, Children, Christian, etc, etc, etc, into one group. It may be easier for me because it is a part of my job and I know what kind of trouble you can get into, or make, when you assume anything about an individual based solely on what you perceive to be true.

Also I would get ripped in court if I came with just my preconceived ideas and speculation.

I am not talking about the "some not all" defense. Because 90% of the time when that is said, the person is thinking all, and rarely some.

That is a marvelous trigger meme. I'm so proud of you NightskyeB4Dawn!! Yep, those words got under my skin just about Every. Single. Time. LOL.


My Alpha XY macho insight says, a real woman is barefoot & pregnant, has dinner on the table by 6:00pm and the frig better be stocked with beer & sex whenever the hell I want it. No exceptions!

That all changed after I got married to Queen XX.

[NightskyeB4Dawn]

That is a marvelous trigger meme. I'm so proud of you NightskyeB4Dawn!! Yep, those words got under my skin just about Every. Single. Time. LOL.


My Alpha XY macho insight says, a real woman is barefoot & pregnant, has dinner on the table by 6:00pm and the frig better be stocked with beer & sex whenever the hell I want it. No exceptions!

That all changed after I got married to Queen XX.

I can't take the credit for that. The credit for that meme goes to @Sol. Again, I cannot argue with him, it is pretty much on the mark.

The only thing missing, is "the look". But that usually comes into action when we get a bit older. It has been known to make some children cry.

[senona]

In spite of what you may have heard or seen discussed I have (do not think but actually have) the answer but would like to hear other people's thoughts before I disclose the one supreme truth that is irrefutable IMO.

As it has been written: Woman: XX, Man: XY. 

I can lend a hand to anyone feeling more masculine or feminine soul wise, I understand that, but I won't call a biological man a woman. Or A biological woman a man. I won't do it. It's lying to myself and lying to the one that expects it.

I'm on a platform where it's about finding partners for certain adult activities. There in my profile it says I am looking for women, still I get private mails from males in women dresses that then, after politely telling them "no, read my profile: women", call me a bigot and backwards, even insults sometimes. IDK what these people expect from me??? When I do not react at all I am called rude and unpolite.

Transgenders, do your thing, be what you want for yourself. You have my respect just like any other human being for that but don't expect me to cater to a lie you crafted to make yourself feel better. You even get my symphaty for feeling stuck in the wrong body soul wise. But there it ends. None of those trans women will ever menstruate or be able to bear a child, their DNA will always try to undo what is being changed with hormone therapy. 

In exchange for that tolerance, I EXPECT the transgender community to be LOUDLY AGAINST anything done to kids under the age. When that day comes and the transgender community and it's supporters are keeping it away from the children, THEN I will think about calling a trans woman a woman and the other way. Earn it, earn my respect and trust you're not using the children for your movement to up the count and make it less a minority.

Civility, common courtesy, tolerance, and independent thinking has become taboo in our modern cancel culture.

When you have a medium that has a large amount of the population ending up in the ER because they can't resist being a participant in the latest potentially deadly internet challenge, then we can't be surprised when large numbers are willing to believe up is down, and cows are fish.

We don't have to believe everything that someone we like says, especially when we know it is wrong.

This here --- >>>  "Civility, common courtesy, tolerance, and independent thinking has become taboo in our modern cancel culture" ... is sadly true.


And I do believe that a lot of people's behavior of late,  is due to the hateful rhetoric that they see/hear coming from the talking heads on MSM.



So when they hear a news anchor calling people sexist/racist just because they simply do not like a person's political views or whatever (I say politics, cuz that is what sets people off), and get a free pass for doing it, then people in general thinks it is okay to call someone sexist, bigot, anti-vaxxer (damn covid) to their neighbor, coworker, stranger or a family member


And when these commentators on TV come across lacking in being: courteous, civil, tolerant, respectful  of others that differ from them in opinion or looks, then hell, their nasty behavior is being picked up by the average person.

They then repeat the same nasty insults that they hear on TV to someone that they disagree with and they think it is okay, because just like a kid, they hear them say the crap in the news segments.




Politicians are another prime example -- they no longer 'just attack the politician' 

They attack the voter base that disagrees with them.
Once again, sexists/bigots/racists/deplorables etc etc
(... and Hillary wonders why she lost)



Yup, all this negative, hateful rhetoric being played 24/7 coming from both our leaders. schools, colleges, MSM and Social Media ------- and you have the cause & effect as to why being civil, respectful, tolerant, courteous is now taboo in today's modern culture









Just my humble opinion, mind you

[NightskyeB4Dawn]

This here --- >>>  "Civility, common courtesy, tolerance, and independent thinking has become taboo in our modern cancel culture" ... is sadly true.

And I do believe that a lot of people's behavior of late,  is due to the hateful rhetoric that they see/hear coming from the talking heads on MSM.

So when they hear a news anchor calling people sexist/racist just because they simply do not like a person's political views or whatever (I say politics, cuz that is what sets people off), and get a free pass for doing it, then people in general thinks it is okay to call someone sexist, bigot, anti-vaxxer (damn covid) to their neighbor, coworker, stranger or a family member

And when these commentators on TV come across lacking in being: courteous, civil, tolerant, respectful  of others that differ from them in opinion or looks, then hell, their nasty behavior is being picked up by the average person.

They then repeat the same nasty insults that they hear on TV to someone that they disagree with and they think it is okay, because just like a kid, they hear them say the crap in the news segments.

Politicians are another prime example -- they no longer 'just attack the politician' 

They attack the voter base that disagrees with them.
Once again, sexists/bigots/racists/deplorables etc etc
(... and Hillary wonders why she lost)

Yup, all this negative, hateful rhetoric being played 24/7 coming from both our leaders. schools, colleges, MSM and Social Media ------- and you have the cause & effect as to why being civil, respectful, tolerant, courteous is now taboo in today's modern culture

Just my humble opinion, mind you

I heard earlier today that the talking heads can get away with this because they are only speaking their "opinion", and they cannot be sued or held accountable for espousing their "opinion". 

That is why it is not called news. It is called an "opinion piece".

Facts are not necessary. Whatever method that works in controlling the hearts, minds, and souls of the masses, they will employ.

We choose to believe who we want to believe. You can't fault the paid syncophants for lying. No more than you can fault a snake from biting you, if you hold it to your head or breast.

Some things we have to take responsibility for.

[Ninurta]

Dear Daddy Overlord,

I kinda like that. I think it's a promotion from my Dear Old Dad's insistence on "Sir Father Dear" - Overlords outrank Sirs, don't they? Would you mind addressing me like that from now on?

I could respond and offer counter arguments to some of the posted comments recognizing this was meant to be inflammatory from its inception but I'm going to go play my pretend race cars instead. That game is a lot more fun than this one.

Cheers  

Some times, it's just better to walk away laughing at folks. I've found that pisses off most folks more than anything else you could imagine. Plus, you don't get all scratched up in catfights for no good reason thataway, and you get to enjoy a beer and laugh at the ignorance of the world.

Race car games are fun, too - beats the hell out of having to go around pissed off all the time for relaxation!



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[727Sky]

Thanks to everyone for the replies as this was partly a psychological experiment on my part for posting. 70, 60, 50, 40, 30, even 20 years ago the answers might have been considerably different IMO... Interesting and thought provoking nonetheless.
XY out for now

[MisterSpock]

Thanks to everyone for the replies as this was partly a psychological experiment on my part for posting. 70, 60, 50, 40, 30, even 20 years ago the answers might have been considerably different IMO... Interesting and thought provoking nonetheless.
XY out for now

I'm going to assume my answer was correct and I win a brand new cuisinart blender plus a years supply of cheese and Bob will pay for my pets to get spayed and neutered.

[NightskyeB4Dawn]

Some times, it's just better to walk away laughing at folks. I've found that pisses off most folks more than anything else you could imagine. Plus, you don't get all scratched up in catfights for no good reason thataway, and you get to enjoy a beer and laugh at the ignorance of the world.

Race car games are fun, too - beats the hell out of having to go around pissed off all the time for relaxation!



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Totally off topic, but your post reminds me of the time my brother decided he was going break up a fight between our cat and some stray.

That was over 50 years ago, and he still carries the scars on his face to this day.

[Ninurta]

Some times, it's just better to walk away laughing at folks. I've found that pisses off most folks more than anything else you could imagine. Plus, you don't get all scratched up in catfights for no good reason thataway, and you get to enjoy a beer and laugh at the ignorance of the world.

Race car games are fun, too - beats the hell out of having to go around pissed off all the time for relaxation!



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Totally off topic, but your post reminds me of the time my brother decided he was going break up a fight between our cat and some stray.

That was over 50 years ago, and he still carries the scars on his face to this day.

He must've made the mistake of laying hands on them. Cats are ALL "XYY", and that gives them a predisposition to criminality.

Last week, I was out harvesting some tobacco and seed. We have two cats that were both strays and just kinda took up with us, but they never warmed up to one another.

So there I was, minding my own business, when all hell broke loose and a big ball of fighting cat rolled down the hill in front of my upper shed. I didn't lay hands on them, I yowled like a panther, loud, because I speak impeccable cat. I may speak it with a hillbilly accent, but the cats have hillbilly accents, too, so it's all ok. The neighbor got terribly excited, because he thought it WAS a panther yowling. Anyhow, the cats take notice when I do that - they are convinced that the taser is what's up next, and cats hate tasers.

So they immediately separated to their respective corners, at a dead run. That's how you break up a cat fight - it avoids all those scars that will never heal properly.

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