New vehicles must average 40 mpg by 2026, up from 28 mpg

[Infolurker]

So, what does the tribe think this will do for us? This is a huge jump and getting 40 MPG average is not going to be an easy lift. I have no wanting for a battery operated car that a replacement battery costs as much as the car. 


https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStor...s-83809349

DETROIT -- New vehicles sold in the U.S. will have to average at least 40 miles per gallon of gasoline in 2026, up from about 28 mpg, under new federal rules unveiled Friday that undo a rollback of standards enacted under President Donald Trump.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said its new fuel economy requirements are the strongest to date and the maximum the industry can achieve over the time period.

They're expected to decrease carbon dioxide emissions — but not as much as some environmentalists want — and raise new vehicle prices in an industry already pressed by inflation and supply chain issue

[Snarl]

So, what does the tribe think this will do for us?

Nada.  They're just pushing forward on their ridiculous Green Agenda.

Can't wait to see the day these people lose their heads to the mob.

Just wait'll people get a little ways past being hungry.

[Wizzz]

This will just give rise to auto manufacturers
coming up with some mileage version of the old PZEV deal.
At least in my mind.
What the fallout will be for the consumer will be? Not sure.
Probably bumped up prices.

[FlyingClayDisk]

"FUCK JOE BI-DEN!...FUCK JOE BI-DEN!...FUCK JOE BI-DEN!..."

<Sing it with me, y'all!>

"FUCK JOE BI-DEN!...FUCK JOE BI-DEN!..."

[ABNARTY]

I know I should look it up but I am being lazy.

Is that number a fleet average? Or ALL individual vehicles? Big difference. 

We have a lot of cars these days that can get great mileage. Not many want to drive them though. I use my pickup truck weekly for what it was designed for. A little, plastic car with no carrying capacity will not cut it for me. 

Another question: how much carbon is emitted charging an EV? Somewhere coal or gas is being burned to make the electricity. Shouldn't that be the criteria here is we are concerned about the climate and all? MPG is meaningless in that context. A fossil fuel vehicle and an EV should be compared to the same standard. 

Unless society shaping is the main goal. Then we don't need to bother with a fair comparison. We can conveniently claim "it's about the science" all day but never have to demonstrate it.

[Ninurta]

I know I should look it up but I am being lazy.

Is that number a fleet average? Or ALL individual vehicles? Big difference. 

We have a lot of cars these days that can get great mileage. Not many want to drive them though. I use my pickup truck weekly for what it was designed for. A little, plastic car with no carrying capacity will not cut it for me. 

Another question: how much carbon is emitted charging an EV? Somewhere coal or gas is being burned to make the electricity. Shouldn't that be the criteria here is we are concerned about the climate and all? MPG is meaningless in that context. A fossil fuel vehicle and an EV should be compared to the same standard. 

Unless society shaping is the main goal. Then we don't need to bother with a fair comparison. We can conveniently claim "it's about the science" all day but never have to demonstrate it.

Our car will turn 11 years old on it's birthday this year, and it books at 37 MPG already, although it really only gets somewhere between 33 and 35 MPG. In our old age, it's really all we need - we only need an occasional trip into civilization to get supplies or go to a doctor appointment. A couple years ago, when I was still working, we had a 2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport, because I worked on top of a mountain that got pretty treacherous in the winter. That beast only got around 18 MPG, but she would climb trees if I wanted her to.

So, at least 10 years ago they were approaching 40 MPG in some vehicles already, but as you point out, when needs and demand on the vehicle increase, gas mileage invariably decreases.

I'm not buying one of their stupid buggy 'lectric cars, because if I run out of juice on the highway, I don't know what kind of bucket to take with me to bring back a couple gallons of 'lectricity in.

I'll get a horse instead. Fuel for them grows on trees.

.

[guohua]

This all I know.
Without all the EPA Pollution Control Bullshit on your vehicle today, you would be getting closer to 35 MPG for a 4 cylinder on the interstate about 30 in the city.
My husband likes his Cummins 6.7. We now get 23 MPG at 78 MPH not towing our 16,000 thousand pound 5th wheel and towing we get 12 to 18 MPG depending on speed (72 MPH) and Grade of hills and mountains.

That is with all EPA Bull Shit removed to include the Catalytic Converter running a 5 inch exhaust pipe to the stock muffler. (my husband tells me)

If they would stop with the EPA equipment on diesels both cars and trucks, the mileage and engine life would increase to 1/2 a million miles or longer.
Our truck has 252,000 miles and my husband changes the oil and filter (to include the fuel filter) every 6,500 miles.
Transmission oil and filter (there are two filter) are changed every 60,000 miles.

The delete kit he used was a Mini maxx to delete the codes.
He is waiting for the first starter motor to arrive so he can replace it. That was the first starter to go out in 252,000 miles and 15 years he is also replacing the rear differential seal because of a tiny leak for the first time. 

Sorry, for the rambling.

[hounddoghowlie]

So, what does the tribe think this will do for us? This is a huge jump and getting 40 MPG average is not going to be an easy lift. I have no wanting for a battery operated car that a replacement battery costs as much as the car. 


https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStor...s-83809349

DETROIT -- New vehicles sold in the U.S. will have to average at least 40 miles per gallon of gasoline in 2026, up from about 28 mpg, under new federal rules unveiled Friday that undo a rollback of standards enacted under President Donald Trump.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said its new fuel economy requirements are the strongest to date and the maximum the industry can achieve over the time period.

They're expected to decrease carbon dioxide emissions — but not as much as some environmentalists want — and raise new vehicle prices in an industry already pressed by inflation and supply chain issue

Guess they be breaking out the 100 mile per gallon Carburetor , oh wait a minute that was the Oil Companies that bought up the rights to that and buried it.

[EndtheMadnessNow]

Super Cheap High MPG Cars: 1978-1981

What @Snarl said. The Green clown agenda.

[kdog]

Used car prices will soar even higher. 

I use to belong to the mindset of keeping up with the Jones and getting a new vehicle every few years and having a car payment. 

Not anymore, hanging on to the 2006 Mustang and 2010 Sante Fe.

[beez]

@"Infolurker" 

My 2 cents; it's never going to happen.  This is just talk to appease the "Green" elements of the leftist party.

Funny thing about the elites, they need us more than we need them.

[fishertail]

@"Infolurker" 

My 2 cents; it's never going to happen.  This is just talk to appease the "Green" elements of the leftist party.

Funny thing about the elites, they need us more than we need them.

Yeah
Anyone that thinks this bull was ever about the environment has the blinders pulled solid over their eyes.
Green was never, is not, and never will be about the environment. It's just another vote generating platform, nothing more. If these empty noodles really gave half a rat's posterior end about the environment, they wouldn't be buying every plastic gadget (with built in planned obsolescence) on the market to hook their toasters up to their telephones and so on.
Think about the footprint of all of that unnecessary gimcrackery. Humans are wasteful by nature. Even, just for one example, waste in both manufacturing and consumption should be a bigger focus than battery powered go-mobiles. But all of that crap they "make to break" turns too big of a profit to cut it out. Shame.

[kdog]

@"Infolurker" 

My 2 cents; it's never going to happen.  This is just talk to appease the "Green" elements of the leftist party.

Funny thing about the elites, they need us more than we need them.

Yeah
Anyone that thinks this bull was ever about the environment has the blinders pulled solid over their eyes.
Green was never, is not, and never will be about the environment. It's just another vote generating platform, nothing more. If these empty noodles really gave half a rat's posterior end about the environment, they wouldn't be buying every plastic gadget (with built in planned obsolescence) on the market to hook their toasters up to their telephones and so on.
Think about the footprint of all of that unnecessary gimcrackery. Humans are wasteful by nature. Even, just for one example, waste in both manufacturing and consumption should be a bigger focus than battery powered go-mobiles. But all of that crap they "make to break" turns too big of a profit to cut it out. Shame.

No one has come out and said the Earth would survive what we do to it. It is about saving our comfort zone. It's all about money.  We use to be adaptable as a species, but have become complacent as a species. Time for the weak to die off and the strong survivors to create another life.  generation

[Ninurta]

Used car prices will soar even higher. 

I use to belong to the mindset of keeping up with the Jones and getting a new vehicle every few years and having a car payment. 

Not anymore, hanging on to the 2006 Mustang and 2010 Sante Fe.

Most of my life, I drove what I call "Bic cars" - I'd buy 'em for next to nothing, drive 'em until the wheels fell off, then go buy another cheap one. 300 to 400 dollars was about the average I paid for a car. Even that Jeep Cherokee I mentioned above I only gave 650 bucks for. Most were bought from individuals instead of off a lot. I've bought one new car in my life - a Mercury Tracer for my first wife which had 16 miles on it when we drove it off the lot. That New Car Experience was enough to make me swear off new cars forever. I'd rather let someone else work all the bugs and recalls out of them, and keep up with a payment book.

If I don't have enough cash on hand to buy it then it just stays unbought.

.

[kdog]

Used car prices will soar even higher. 

I use to belong to the mindset of keeping up with the Jones and getting a new vehicle every few years and having a car payment. 

Not anymore, hanging on to the 2006 Mustang and 2010 Sante Fe.

Most of my life, I drove what I call "Bic cars" - I'd buy 'em for next to nothing, drive 'em until the wheels fell off, then go buy another cheap one. 300 to 400 dollars was about the average I paid for a car. Even that Jeep Cherokee I mentioned above I only gave 650 bucks for. Most were bought from individuals instead of off a lot. I've bought one new car in my life - a Mercury Tracer for my first wife which had 16 miles on it when we drove it off the lot. That New Car Experience was enough to make me swear off new cars forever. I'd rather let someone else work all the bugs and recalls out of them, and keep up with a payment book.

If I don't have enough cash on hand to buy it then it just stays unbought.

.

We are getting ready to look at used bicycles. I could use the exercise at my age.

[DontTreadOnMe]

So, what does the tribe think this will do for us? This is a huge jump and getting 40 MPG average is not going to be an easy lift. I have no wanting for a battery operated car that a replacement battery costs as much as the car. 

Do they really think they will get away with these EV cars?  We have a 2020 car.  It gets 41 on the highway.  City driving is much less.  Even adding that stop-start technology doesn't add what they claimed.

Wait until there are power outages with EV cars.  And garage fires.  And the screaming starts about battery life, prices and disposal.

[kdog]

So, what does the tribe think this will do for us? This is a huge jump and getting 40 MPG average is not going to be an easy lift. I have no wanting for a battery operated car that a replacement battery costs as much as the car. 

Do they really think they will get away with these EV cars?  We have a 2020 car.  It gets 41 on the highway.  City driving is much less.  Even adding that stop-start technology doesn't add what they claimed.

Wait until there are power outages with EV cars.  And garage fires.  And the screaming starts about battery life, prices and disposal.

Solar powered cars. And planes. Didn't that happen at one time ?

[Tarzan the apeman.]

So, what does the tribe think this will do for us? This is a huge jump and getting 40 MPG average is not going to be an easy lift. I have no wanting for a battery operated car that a replacement battery costs as much as the car. 


https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStor...s-83809349

DETROIT -- New vehicles sold in the U.S. will have to average at least 40 miles per gallon of gasoline in 2026, up from about 28 mpg, under new federal rules unveiled Friday that undo a rollback of standards enacted under President Donald Trump.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said its new fuel economy requirements are the strongest to date and the maximum the industry can achieve over the time period.

They're expected to decrease carbon dioxide emissions — but not as much as some environmentalists want — and raise new vehicle prices in an industry already pressed by inflation and supply chain issue

Ah yes ..........I remember when I had my first beer. Yahoos.

[DontTreadOnMe]

So, what does the tribe think this will do for us? This is a huge jump and getting 40 MPG average is not going to be an easy lift. I have no wanting for a battery operated car that a replacement battery costs as much as the car. 

Do they really think they will get away with these EV cars?  We have a 2020 car.  It gets 41 on the highway.  City driving is much less.  Even adding that stop-start technology doesn't add what they claimed.

Wait until there are power outages with EV cars.  And garage fires.  And the screaming starts about battery life, prices and disposal.

Solar powered cars. And planes. Didn't that happen at one time ?

I dunno about solar, or how they would work in places getting little sun.
Pretty sure they've had electric cars once or twice before.

[Snarl]

So, what does the tribe think this will do for us? This is a huge jump and getting 40 MPG average is not going to be an easy lift. I have no wanting for a battery operated car that a replacement battery costs as much as the car. 

Do they really think they will get away with these EV cars?

Of course they do.  Otherwise, they'd have quit promoting them already.

Wait until there are power outages with EV cars.  And garage fires.  And the screaming starts about battery life, prices and disposal.

TPTB are not concerned with what happens to us plebes.  By the time these purchases are deemed unworkable, the costs will have been pocketed and the promoters will have faded into obscurity.

Then you'll be allowed to buy a gas powered car ag ... oh wait ... you'll be able to purchase a horse and saddle again.