Who is right and who is wrong, maybe not even be the question we should be asking. There are so many things at play right now, and we are only being allowed to see what they want us to see.
I saw a friend today that I have not seen in about seven years. He was born and raised in Russia, of parents born in the Ukraine. He came to America when he was twenty to go to school and has been here ever since.
He told me something that made me think. He told me to beware.. He told me that there is no war being fought between the Russian people and the Ukrainian people. He said the war is between their two corrupt governments. He said pay attention to history and what is presently going on in the West. Because we will soon see it coming to America.
I am leaving this here for now. Something to think about and dissect.
I apologize for starting this thread and having to leave. I have an elderly neighbor that needs a ride to a hospital to visit with her husband, and her son-in-law's car has broken down. I will return to follow up on this post.
It will take a little over two hours to get there and back so it may be awhile, so don't think I have abandoned the thread, and I will clean it up when I return. Sharing because what he said is really resonating with me, right now.
For every one person that read this post. About 7.99 billion have not.
I would agree. Since when have regular people of one country ever really had a beef with everyone else in a another country?
In this case you have two corrupt entities battling each other for loot. If I had to put a name on them, I would say the Russian regime looking to keep control over it's revenue flow and WEF backed toadies looking to cut into that revenue flow.
Meanwhile, everyday people suffer because reasons.
(03-27-2022, 06:25 PM)beez Wrote: there is only one indisputable fact to this entire mess.
Russia has invaded Ukraine.
The MSM and all politicians have twisted the narrative and has used it to elicit fear in everyone.
They can't scare us with Covid now, so they scare is with food shortages, inflation, nuclear war, use of chemical and biological weapons.
Oceania always has to be fighting Eurasia.
The powers that be have found that they can willfully abuse and negate freedoms if the population is afraid. (See Karen and mask usage)
If you aren't afraid, if you focus on rights, individual freedoms, then you are the one being unpatriotic and un-American.
My 2 cents
If that is how we are defining patriotism these days, and unfortunately it is, I suppose. By those standards I am proud to be anti-establishment.
Its considered patriotic these days to call for destroying the great experiment. How progressive!!
(03-27-2022, 06:30 PM)ABNARTY Wrote: I would agree. Since when have regular people of one country ever really had a beef with everyone else in a another country?
In this case you have two corrupt entities battling each other for loot. If I had to put a name on them, I would say the Russian regime looking to keep control over it's revenue flow and WEF backed toadies looking to cut into that revenue flow.
Meanwhile, everyday people suffer because reasons.
There's an older movie with Scott Glenn where instead of dragging their people into wars the govts each have a huge battle bot that dukes it out for supremacy in any disputes- like the USA and Russia battling it out toe to toe with giant human controlled robots for the Alaskan oil fields.
I think we need to do something like that so they can leave the rest of us out of it!
"As an American it's your responsibility to have your own strategic duck stockpile. You can't expect the government to do it for you." - the dork I call one of my mom's other kids
(03-27-2022, 06:25 PM)beez Wrote: there is only one indisputable fact to this entire mess.
Russia has invaded Ukraine.
The MSM and all politicians have twisted the narrative and has used it to elicit fear in everyone.
They can't scare us with Covid now, so they scare is with food shortages, inflation, nuclear war, use of chemical and biological weapons.
Oceania always has to be fighting Eurasia.
The powers that be have found that they can willfully abuse and negate freedoms if the population is afraid. (See Karen and mask usage)
If you aren't afraid, if you focus on rights, individual freedoms, then you are the one being unpatriotic and un-American.
My 2 cents
If that is how we are defining patriotism these days, and unfortunately it is, I suppose. By those standards I am proud to be anti-establishment.
Its considered patriotic these days to call for destroying the great experiment. How progressive!!
(03-27-2022, 06:25 PM)beez Wrote: there is only one indisputable fact to this entire mess.
Russia has invaded Ukraine.
The MSM and all politicians have twisted the narrative and has used it to elicit fear in everyone.
They can't scare us with Covid now, so they scare is with food shortages, inflation, nuclear war, use of chemical and biological weapons.
Oceania always has to be fighting Eurasia.
The powers that be have found that they can willfully abuse and negate freedoms if the population is afraid. (See Karen and mask usage)
If you aren't afraid, if you focus on rights, individual freedoms, then you are the one being unpatriotic and un-American.
My 2 cents
You've hit the nail on the head - that is exactly HOW we "will see it coming to America", as her friend observed.
Oh, and I think it was Ambrose "Bitter" Bierce who said "Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels", so there is that to consider, too. I don't much care if they call me "unpatriotic". I consider the intellect of the source, and make allowances for that, so it doesn't bother me.
I once made the bold claim that Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia because that's how I remembered it, but was immediately corrected, complete with historical sources to back up the correction. Clearly I was just remembering wrong. There for just a minute I could've swore I saw 5 lights...
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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.
Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’
(03-27-2022, 06:25 PM)beez Wrote: there is only one indisputable fact to this entire mess.
Russia has invaded Ukraine.
The MSM and all politicians have twisted the narrative and has used it to elicit fear in everyone.
They can't scare us with Covid now, so they scare is with food shortages, inflation, nuclear war, use of chemical and biological weapons.
Oceania always has to be fighting Eurasia.
The powers that be have found that they can willfully abuse and negate freedoms if the population is afraid. (See Karen and mask usage)
If you aren't afraid, if you focus on rights, individual freedoms, then you are the one being unpatriotic and un-American.
My 2 cents
You've hit the nail on the head - that is exactly HOW we "will see it coming to America", as her friend observed.
Oh, and I think it was Ambrose "Bitter" Bierce who said "Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels", so there is that to consider, too. I don't much care if they call me "unpatriotic". I consider the intellect of the source, and make allowances for that, so it doesn't bother me.
I once made the bold claim that Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia because that's how I remembered it, but was immediately corrected, complete with historical sources to back up the correction. Clearly I was just remembering wrong. There for just a minute I could've swore I saw 5 lights...
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Always go the the "Fact Cheka's" for reliable source material.
I want to share a little more of our conversation, which I will admit has made me put my thinking cap on, and I find I am having trouble removing it.
My friend's wife grew up in the Ukraine and is very familiar with the areas they are broadcasting in the media. They are receiving news from relatives from both sides, and he said what people really need to know, neither side is broadcasting. He said that we should be extremely cautious of the media and the internet, because both are weapons and tools.
He said that the media and the internet are manipulating people by broadcasting information in a way that the people don't want to believe the truth, so they are tricked into believing the lie. He said in some areas they are being successful with this strategy, and because of fear and indoctrination, in some areas the people are becoming divided. He said this is a huge part of the plan, because if the people continue to resist, and they refuse to give in. the corrupt governments will not succeed. But that resistance will come with heavy penalties that some will not be able to handle.
He added that our government will soon be placing us in a very similar situation. He said that the sanctions, the rise in gas prices, and the food shortages, was just the beginning, and how they started in Russia. I have been looking at what is happening here and I see that what he is warning about is possible. So I bring you this information, for you to look at and for you to decide.
For every one person that read this post. About 7.99 billion have not.
(03-27-2022, 06:25 PM)beez Wrote: there is only one indisputable fact to this entire mess.
Russia has invaded Ukraine.
The MSM and all politicians have twisted the narrative and has used it to elicit fear in everyone.
They can't scare us with Covid now, so they scare is with food shortages, inflation, nuclear war, use of chemical and biological weapons.
Oceania always has to be fighting Eurasia.
The powers that be have found that they can willfully abuse and negate freedoms if the population is afraid. (See Karen and mask usage)
If you aren't afraid, if you focus on rights, individual freedoms, then you are the one being unpatriotic and un-American.
My 2 cents
You've hit the nail on the head - that is exactly HOW we "will see it coming to America", as her friend observed.
Oh, and I think it was Ambrose "Bitter" Bierce who said "Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels", so there is that to consider, too. I don't much care if they call me "unpatriotic". I consider the intellect of the source, and make allowances for that, so it doesn't bother me.
I once made the bold claim that Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia because that's how I remembered it, but was immediately corrected, complete with historical sources to back up the correction. Clearly I was just remembering wrong. There for just a minute I could've swore I saw 5 lights...
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Always go the the "Fact Cheka's" for reliable source material.
I will forevermore associate "fact checkers" with the Ministry of Truth henceforward.
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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.
Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’
(03-27-2022, 09:16 PM)Ninurta Wrote: There for just a minute I could've swore I saw 5 lights...
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I fucking love that reference!
I wondered if anyone would get it.
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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.
Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’
I am sure this is just part of what is going on. My friend says the real damage that most do not realize, is the damage being done to communities and families, as they are being used as expendable pawns, in a battle of the corrupt and the wealthy, with absolutely no benefit, now or in the future, for the people.
For every one person that read this post. About 7.99 billion have not.
04-18-2022, 07:22 PM (This post was last modified: 04-18-2022, 07:30 PM by Ninurta.)
(03-28-2022, 01:17 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote:
(03-28-2022, 12:39 PM)BIAD Wrote:
I am sure this is just part of what is going on. My friend says the real damage that most do not realize, is the damage being done to communities and families, as they are being used as expendable pawns, in a battle of the corrupt and the wealthy, with absolutely no benefit, now or in the future, for the people.
Your friend is right, and it has already started here. That's what the ramped up polarization is about - getting people to choose side which are not really sides at all, they are just two sides of the same coin, neither of which the people are on. It's them against us, and they are steadily convincing us that it is somehow "us" against some nebulous "them", and that "them" is not the real opponent at all - it's just another faction of "us", and they will laugh all the way to the bank over how they have hoodwinked us into fighting amongst ourselves, never even approaching the real opposition.
The Democrat Party used to be all about "the working man" - or so they claimed. They were really after a collectivist approach, not so different from the communism of Russia in those days. That's what "organization" and "labor unions" were all about. They got "the working man" to organize and unionize, and once that was done they turned those organizations into weapons against their political opponents. Unions were never about "the working man", they were always about forging a weapon against the Democrats' political opponents. BUT, since they convinced the gullible that unions were really all about them, it worked, and some folks still believe that claptrap to this day.
Now, the Democrat Party STILL pays lip service to "the working man", but it's plain for all to see, those who will bother to look anyhow, that they give no shits about such menials as us people, and are really all about kissing the asses of megacorps and techno-giants. The very thing they used to accuse Republicans of.
The Republicans are no better. They give no shits about us, the people, except as a means to an end, a weapon against their opponents. same as the Democrats. Same coin, different sides, but the same metal runs through both sides.
Meanwhile, we the people are caught up in the middle of a fight that is not ours, and of no benefit to us, and are employed only as shock troops against each side's opposition, and then forgotten, we are left laying in the dust. Right now, the polarization is being heated up by the puppet masters, ramped up to throw us once again into yet another conflict that is not really ours, and will benefit us not at all in the end as we bleed out in the dust.
And the band plays on.
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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.
Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’
(04-18-2022, 07:22 PM)Ninurta Wrote: Your friend is right, and it has already started here. That's what the ramped up polarization is about - getting people to choose side which are not really sides at all, they are just two sides of the same coin, neither of which the people are on. It's them against us, and they are steadily convincing us that it is somehow "us" against some nebulous "them", and that "them" is not the real opponent at all - it's just another faction of "us", and they will laugh all the way to the bank over how they have hoodwinked us into fighting amongst ourselves, never even approaching the real opposition.
The Democrat Party used to be all about "the working man" - or so they claimed. They were really after a collectivist approach, not so different from the communism of Russia in those days. That's what "organization" and "labor unions" were all about. They got "the working man" to organize and unionize, and once that was done they turned those organizations into weapons against their political opponents. Unions were never about "the working man", they were always about forging a weapon against the Democrats' political opponents. BUT, since they convinced the gullible that unions were really all about them, it worked, and some folks still believe that claptrap to this day.
Now, the Democrat Party STILL pays lip service to "the working man", but it's plain for all to see, those who will bother to look anyhow, that they give no shits about such menials as us people, and are really all about kissing the asses of megacorps and techno-giants. The very thing they used to accuse Republicans of.
The Republicans are no better. They give no shits about us, the people, except as a means to an end, a weapon against their opponents. same as the Democrats. Same coin, different sides, but the same metal runs through both sides.
Meanwhile, we the people are caught up in the middle of a fight that is not ours, and of no benefit to us, and are employed only as shock troops against each side's opposition, and then forgotten, we are left laying in the dust. Right now, the polarization is being heated up by the puppet masters, ramped up to throw us once again into yet another conflict that is not really ours, and will benefit us not at all in the end as we bleed out in the dust.
And the band plays on.
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I could be wrong, but I have the feeling that Russia and China are holdouts over the Great Reset, or whatever they are calling NWO today.
Not that Russia/China winning would be great for mankind. They are just the other side of the Reset/NWO.
I am almost worried about the Reds taking over for the Blues this November. Most of the Repubs in office now, are no different at all from their counterparts.
Different means to the same end.
Vive la divisions!!!!!
Indeed, the band plays on.
"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past, I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain." Frank Herbert, Dune
(03-27-2022, 10:29 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote: Made it back in one piece.
I want to share a little more of our conversation, which I will admit has made me put my thinking cap on, and I find I am having trouble removing it.
My friend's wife grew up in the Ukraine and is very familiar with the areas they are broadcasting in the media. They are receiving news from relatives from both sides, and he said what people really need to know, neither side is broadcasting. He said that we should be extremely cautious of the media and the internet, because both are weapons and tools.
He said that the media and the internet are manipulating people by broadcasting information in a way that the people don't want to believe the truth, so they are tricked into believing the lie. He said in some areas they are being successful with this strategy, and because of fear and indoctrination, in some areas the people are becoming divided. He said this is a huge part of the plan, because if the people continue to resist, and they refuse to give in. the corrupt governments will not succeed. But that resistance will come with heavy penalties that some will not be able to handle.
He added that our government will soon be placing us in a very similar situation. He said that the sanctions, the rise in gas prices, and the food shortages, was just the beginning, and how they started in Russia. I have been looking at what is happening here and I see that what he is warning about is possible. So I bring you this information, for you to look at and for you to decide.
I was under the impression that Civil Conflict has been going on in the Ukraine for years now. Ever since the Maydan.
That Ukraine is really divided east from west--different peoples, politics, and religion.
"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past, I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain." Frank Herbert, Dune
ZELENSKY, DANCE PARTY TIME - Actor, Comedian, Puppet President
This is what the $5 Billion Dollars that Victoria Nuland gave to Ukraine created. A Nice Promo for the New President, even in Black and White.
3 min - ya gotta see it to believe it.?
You may have already seen the vid, I just happened to stumble across it the other night.
For one thing, I've wondered how a Soros shill like this man could end up as the president of a country, even one as corrupt as the Ukraine, and my guess has been, the corruption must be worse than I thought, and of epic Swampington DC standards and proportions. For another thing, I've wondered on more than one occasion if he's even in the Ukraine at all, and not taking a cue from Bidenenko, and doing all his appearances on a set in his basement at his dacha in Florida. Then there's his endless, and increasingly frantic (drug induced?), virtual meetings with various heads of state.
I suspect we're looking at something far far worse, something that should give everyone pause, and that's sheer incompetence, not only on Zelensky's part, but on the part of his handlers, all the way across the pond and up the ladder to people like Victoria "F-the-EU Nuland" and George Soros, and to whomever is really behind the sock puppet Bidenenko. Watching this man "work the crowd" in this case, the Greek parliament is like watching a movie version of The Emperor's New Clothes, only no one in Athens is laughing at the emperor's nakedness, because it's merely a reflection of the nakedness and incompetence of his real bosses.
Does the fact that a Vindman twin (one of Nuland’s Ukrainian covert nazi’s in America) is a judge in MKUltra'd kangaroo courts in the US mean much?
The Ukraine leadership is very likely far more corrupt than any normal person could fathom.
Quote:As for what Ukraine actually is, I offer this little string of pearls:
-In 1996 the mideast-born head of an important international finance institution confided to me that the corruption in Ukraine was so Byzantinely impenetrable that his Kiev office, in desperation, imported Pakistani advisors specifically to help unravel the logic of who-is-connected-to-whom. (They failed.)
-In 2000 a Ukrainian investigative journalist with a Georgian name, Gyorgy Gongadse, went missing while working on a big story to expose corruption. His body was found, headless, in a ditch, and Ukraine’s President Leonid Kuchma himself was implicated in the crime through tapes recorded secretly in the president’s office. A fall-guy went to prison; the widow was presented with a state award.
He urged international organizations, such as the United Nations World Food and Agriculture Committee, to back him, because he said the operation to destroy Ukraine's agricultural infrastructure was Putin's "starvation strategy".
He said that we have to agree on fundamental questions of agricultural and food policy worldwide.
I strongly suspect that that line in bold which is the policy toward GMOs, which, as events have shown, the Ukraine readily supported years ago before all this mess began, or so I believe. It cut deals for special port privileges along the sea of Azov and the Black Sea for GMO companies like Mon[ster]santo. Last I checked, GMO crops are still banned (same for Russia) in the Ukraine until further studies could be done, but recent Ukraine legislation is creeping in to allow GMOs.
I think the only reason Germany's AG minister wants to arm the Ukraine to the teeth is to protect those corporate GMO profits.
I also suspect everything happening in Ukraine is part of the NWO’s plans to start a worldwide food crisis to use as an excuse for worldwide digital ID, food rationing and thereby ushering in fake synthetic food. Which will never end even after the food crisis is over. Russia might be in on the whole scheme.
Plus, the added bonus of intellectual property that you are now slave to. It’s in your DNA, and your children’s. Better than whiskey proof.
Welcome to the I.G. Farben Chattel Slavery Ranch. It’s gone global!
For what it's worth Ukraine: government and people reject GMO food and feed, according to this report from 2019:
"The New World fell not to a sword but to a meme." – Daniel Quinn
"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that." ― John Lennon
Rogue News says that the US is a reality show posing as an Empire.
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