08-15-2021, 11:42 PM (This post was last modified: 08-15-2021, 11:43 PM by guohua.)
I agree with Mike Pence
@Mike_Pence
The Biden Administration’s disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan dishonors the memory of those heroic Americans who gave the last full measure of devotion and all who bravely served there defending freedom these past 20 years. God Bless Our Troops & Our Allies in this Dark Hour
I'm sure there are several here who recall 30 April, 1975. Gerald Ford was the president. He utterly failed in his bid for re-election after that, and I like to think that was in part because he allowed the fall of Saigon and the precipitous route of the American Embassy there.
Let's hope the same fate befalls Bumblin' Joe. He fell up a set of airplane steps, too, but he beat Ford's record by doing it 3 times in a row...
I can't even begin to explain how pissed off I have been all day today, watching this disaster unfold. And not a word out of BidenHarris. Not a damned peep. I reckon for some folks staying on vacation overrides the world going to hell in a hand basket.
We all have our priorities, it appears.
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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.
Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’
08-16-2021, 01:23 AM (This post was last modified: 08-16-2021, 01:23 AM by Ninurta.)
(08-16-2021, 01:12 AM)xuenchen Wrote:
No special response. I just like watching Jennifer Tilley do her thing.
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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.
Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’
NEW, thread: Pentagon confirms to me the Department of Defense is preparing to house thousands of Afghan refugees on American military installations, immediately including Fort McCoy in Wisconsin and Fort Bliss in Texas.
Documents obtained from a source show DoD planning to potentially relocate up to 30,000 Afghan SIV applicants into the United States in the immediate future.
“The situation in Afghanistan may lead to DoS [Department of State] allowing Afghan SIV applicants to be moved to temporary housing locations while still being vetted for parolee status,” the document reads.
“We want to have capacity to get up to several thousand immediately, and want to be prepared for potential of tens of thousands,” Pentagon Spox John Kirby tells me. “Bliss & McCoy have capability right now – what’s advantageous is w/ a bit of work, could increase in short order.”
The move is a reversal from the Biden administration’s previous policy. On July 8th, President Biden told me the US government could not evacuate Afghan translators to the US to await visa processing like some migrants at the southern border.
08-16-2021, 05:09 PM (This post was last modified: 08-16-2021, 05:32 PM by guohua.)
Quote:Who Benefits From the Taliban Takeover? The Same Country That Has Paid Millions to the Bidens.
CHINA!
Quote:The beheadings have just begun and the rape rooms haven’t even been repainted yet, but the Chinese commies are already willing to recognize the Taliban as the new leaders of Afghanistan, following their victorious, high-speed chase of the Afghan army.
China stands to hit the jackpot with the Taliban in charge. On the table for them are several things:
The Taliban has agreed not to harbor any Muslim terrorists looking to ignite a putsch in the Xinjiang region, where those pesky Uyghurs live
Building a major highway in the Wakhan Corridor for trade purposes
The commies are also in bed with Pakistan, even going so far as to share top-secret information with them. Not to mention there are a bunch of Chinese economic investments in Pakistan. China’s influence in the region grows while Joe Biden gets lost in his own yard.
Quote:Who Benefits From the Taliban Takeover? The Same Country That Has Paid Millions to the Bidens.
CHINA!
Quote:The beheadings have just begun and the rape rooms haven’t even been repainted yet, but the Chinese commies are already willing to recognize the Taliban as the new leaders of Afghanistan, following their victorious, high-speed chase of the Afghan army.
China stands to hit the jackpot with the Taliban in charge. On the table for them are several things:
The Taliban has agreed not to harbor any Muslim terrorists looking to ignite a putsch in the Xinjiang region, where those pesky Uyghurs live
Building a major highway in the Wakhan Corridor for trade purposes
The commies are also in bed with Pakistan, even going so far as to share top-secret information with them. Not to mention there are a bunch of Chinese economic investments in Pakistan. China’s influence in the region grows while Joe Biden gets lost in his own yard.
It is my belief that China is behind this. They gave their puppet, Joe Biden, the order to pull out of Afghanistan so the Taliban could move in. China will end up with the mineral rights when all is said and done too. I believe that's what they're after.
Joe is supposed to give an address to the nation sometime this afternoon. I would suggest you believe the opposite of what he says. He always lies. ALWAYS!
08-16-2021, 09:39 PM (This post was last modified: 08-16-2021, 11:17 PM by Ninurta.)
There is so much to unpack here. Shit is swirling down the drain at breakneck speed. I've been riding a roller coaster for the last 24 hours or so.
As I type this, BidenHarris is busy being fashionably late for his address to this nation about that nation. Not that what he is going to say has any importance - where the hell has he been for the past few days? On vacation. At Camp David. Nero fiddling while Rome burns. I get it - vacations are supposed to be important. But If I could go for 20 years not taking vacations so other folks could benefit, I think he could cut ONE vacation short when shit hit the fan. I was getting shot at so that other folks could go relax for a few days. His biggest problem on this vacation is deciding whether he wants "pheasant under glass" or "coq au vin" for dinner. The pressures are not the same. WE are not the same.
I have no problem resettling Afghan refugees here. The ones they are bringing over are the ones that helped our troops, and whose heads are now on the chopping block because of that, very literally. So long as they are thoroughly vetted, I'm ok with it. However, I do not have a whole lot of confidence in the BidenHarris regime properly vetting them. They don't have a great track record at implementing, well, anything. So, there IS a potential for some Taliban to sneak in to wreak havoc here. Should we then abandon our friends so that wolves don't sneak in among them? No, I don't think so. We OWE them. They laid their lives on the line to help us, and we should return that favor. That's what friends do. We just need to be aware, alert, and ready to put down any infiltrators like rabid dogs. We shoot rabid dogs around here, but we don't throw the babies out with the bath water.
I lived in Greensboro, NC, when we brought in a bunch of Hmong tribesmen that had helped Special Forces in Vietnam. As a matter of fact, I lived in the same neighborhood they settled the Hmong in, I lived on Spring Street then, and the Hmong were settled one block over, across what was then an open field, but is now a housing development. The Special Forces Association got together with the Lutheran Church to bring them over. The government dropped the ball there, and the private sector picked it up and ran with it, because SF don't abandon their friends, even when the government does.
Afghans that helped us 50 years later are no better, and no worse.
As far as China "building a major highway in the Wakhan Corridor for trade purposes" goes, all I'll say about that is that when civilians see a "major highway" built for "trade purposes", military planners look at the same highway and see an MSR - Main Supply Route - and think "invasion corridor". Afghanistan may want to rethink China's role in their economic development plan, but that's for Afghans to figure out for themselves. Maybe it's just China's turn to have their asses handed to them by "a bunch of illiterate goat-herding, cave-dwelling tribesmen". I personally think that inviting the CCP in to build their very own high speed invasion corridor into Afghanistan is a bad idea, but that is for Afghans to determine. It's their country.
I'm sick near to death of hearing Democrats and Republicans point fingers at one another and try to shift blame for this. They're all full of shit. There is enough blame to go around for all. This war has been mishandled from the very inception, with both Democrats and Republicans presiding over the shit-show and all making bad decisions that all lead us right to where we are today.
Bush took us in, to eradicate the Taliban, the enemy. That was proper, so far as it went... then that dipshit dropped the ball, figured if war on one front was good then war on two fronts was better, and took us needlessly into Iraq. That had the effect of dividing our force, dividing our attention, and suddenly focus was taken from Afghanistan, where it should have been, and placed on Iraq, where it was unnecessary. Afghanistan became the red-headed stepchild war, and has remained so ever since, even after we left Iraq.
Obama couldn't figure out what to do with it at all. His decisions reminded me of a blind man throwing darts at a dart board to reach a decision on any given day. We were all over the board then.
Trump tried, but his biggest mistake was inviting the enemy we originally went in to eradicate to the negotiating table. You kill folks who are trying to kill you... you don't serve them hot chai.
Which brings us to the BidenHarris regime. They are utterly clueless, just wanting to get America out of a "forever war", with no thought whatsoever to the repercussions of a precipitous, panicky route.
Fighting a war with kid gloves is no way to fight a war or defeat an enemy. the Taliban understood that, but the Americans seem not to. You can't have a "kinder, gentler kind of war" and expect to win it. Sure, we had pretty low casualties in Afghanistan, as casualties go, but that just means that soldiers were not being allowed to fight the war properly, because they might hurt someone's wittle feewings. Fuck that. Send the troops in, kick the enemy's ass, bring the troops home, and send in the diplomats. It really is that simple.
We had "mission creep" in a huge way. somewhere along the line, eradicating the Taliban took a back seat to "nation building" along US lines. Afghanistan is not suited to western-style government, and the US predictably lost a lot of folks that the Taliban gained when they tried it. Instead of fighting the Taliban, we fed their recruiters with that bone-headed bullshit.
You "build nations" by being their friend, and assisting them in implementing a government THEY can live with, not by imposing your own sort of foreign-to-them government. The Russians made that same mistake, and now we have, too. Thanks, Baby Bush!
There is more, much more, in the way of examples of US blunders and why we lost this war, but the foregoing should suffice. This war, like Vietnam, was not lost by the troops - we won nearly every engagement in both instances - it was lost by dumbassed politicians in Washington, DC and glory-seeking generals and their bullshit "rules of engagement". The only legitimate rule of engagement is "kill the guys who are trying to kill you. Have no mercy on them, because they won't have any mercy on you".
Now those sons of bitches own it. Republican and Democrat alike.
Here are my credentials for having an opinion in the matter. If it's not enough, I don't care. it's all ya get:
ETA: Americans have always ha a unique penchant for going in to foreign lands, and expecting it to be just like home, and expecting the people there to want the same things Americans want. I've never been like that. When I went, I realized acutely that I was the alien there, not the locals, It was THEIR country, not mine, and because of that I went in expecting I would have to conform to their culture, not the other way around. That, perhaps, is the single biggest mistake America made in this entire debacle. They were too busy being Americans, and acting like Americans, to listen to what the locals wanted for THEIR OWN nation. We were too busy telling them what they wanted instead of listening to the Afghan vision for Afghanistan. Too busy "nation building" in the image of America to kill the enemy we allegedly went there to kill.
Now that enemy is right back where they were before we went to begin with, and probably stronger. An exercise in futility.
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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.
Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’
You come to my country and try to take over and bomb wherever you want, And Me, my children and my childrens children vow to anialate you .................about every Afghan has said.... Were only there for Opium and a few of the Rare metals.....said no American politician ever. The Biden administration is an embecilic catastrophe every which way. And they have to GO, and NOW.
To add to the above post.
Biden and Harris will be Fiddling and Laughing as Taiwan Falls to China.
Quote:Chinese State Media Outlet Says US Will ‘Abandon’ Taiwan, Too, ‘Once a War Breaks Out’
(CNSNews.com) – A Chinese state mouthpiece reacted to the fall of Kabul to the Taliban Monday by saying the crisis has dealt a severe blow to U.S. “hegemony,” and suggesting allies like Taiwan should be careful about placing their trust in the U.S.
“Taliban’s rapid victory embarrasses U.S., smashes image, arrogance,” stated one headline in Global Times, a Chinese Communist Party (CCP) organ.
It published an editorial contrasting the U.S. commitment to Afghanistan and its commitment to Taiwan, and concluding that if it “abandoned” Afghanistan, then the ruling pro-independence Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) in Taiwan should “wake up from their dreams.”
“From what happened in Afghanistan, they should perceive that once a war breaks out in the [Taiwan] Straits, the island’s defense will collapse in hours and the U.S. military won’t come to help,” Global Times opined. “As a result, the DPP authorities will quickly surrender, while some high-level officials may flee by plane.”
(08-17-2021, 06:18 PM)guohua Wrote: To add to the above post.
Biden and Harris will be Fiddling and Laughing as Taiwan Falls to China.
Quote:Chinese State Media Outlet Says US Will ‘Abandon’ Taiwan, Too, ‘Once a War Breaks Out’
(CNSNews.com) – A Chinese state mouthpiece reacted to the fall of Kabul to the Taliban Monday by saying the crisis has dealt a severe blow to U.S. “hegemony,” and suggesting allies like Taiwan should be careful about placing their trust in the U.S.
“Taliban’s rapid victory embarrasses U.S., smashes image, arrogance,” stated one headline in Global Times, a Chinese Communist Party (CCP) organ.
It published an editorial contrasting the U.S. commitment to Afghanistan and its commitment to Taiwan, and concluding that if it “abandoned” Afghanistan, then the ruling pro-independence Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) in Taiwan should “wake up from their dreams.”
“From what happened in Afghanistan, they should perceive that once a war breaks out in the [Taiwan] Straits, the island’s defense will collapse in hours and the U.S. military won’t come to help,” Global Times opined. “As a result, the DPP authorities will quickly surrender, while some high-level officials may flee by plane.”
08-17-2021, 06:33 PM (This post was last modified: 08-17-2021, 06:36 PM by PLOTUS.)
Your absolutely right. AND in that vein of thought, if they chose to invade Tiawan, right now is the perfect time to jump. Were so f u b a r right now, all we could do...................... is report on it ala CNN or MSN or Fox......... So I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen
"Biden and Harris will be Fiddling and Laughing as Taiwan Falls to China".
Wouldn't be surprised if Canada closed all their borders to Americans....... I believe were soon to be in a Sh*t-storm
(08-17-2021, 06:33 PM)PLOTUS Wrote: Your absolutely right. AND in that vein of thought, if they chose to invade Tiawan, right now is the perfect time to jump. Were so f u b a r right now, all we could do...................... is report on it ala CNN or MSN or Fox......... So I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen
"Biden and Harris will be Fiddling and Laughing as Taiwan Falls to China".
Wouldn't be surprised if Canada closed all their borders to Americans....... I believe were soon to be in a Sh*t-storm
They are already giving out their orders to OBiden.
Look who is calling the shots - Taliban Tells Joe Biden to WITHDRAWL ALL US TROOPS by September 11 – The 20th Anniversary of the 9-11 Attacks... @JoeBiden this is on you!
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