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Former President of Drag Queen Story Hour Foundation and Children’s Court Judge Arrested on Seven Counts of Child Porn
Quote:BREAKING: Former President of Drag Queen Story Hour Foundation and Children’s Court Judge Arrested on Seven Counts of Child Porn
A Milwaukee County Children’s Court judge and former president and CEO of the Cream City Foundation, which runs the city’s drag queen story hour program, has been arrested on seven counts of child pornography.
Brett Blomme, 38, was arrested on Tuesday for allegedly uploading 27 images and videos of children being sexually abused on the messaging app Kik.
Blomme was held overnight and released with a signature. He has been ordered to stay off social media and file-sharing services and is not allowed near any children except the two that he adopted with his husband.
This will be ignored and made excuses for by the liberals. They will say things like,
"There is nothing wrong with Drag Queen Story Hour!"
"This is clearly an isolated incident."
"It's a fact that homosexuals and drag queens aren't pedophiles."
It is commonly known that people who are sexually attracted to children pursue careers that have them around kids.
IMO pushing this lifestyle on children has only one purpose, and it repulses me, we can't allow this movement to go forward without some serious resistance. Live the lifestyle of your choice but leave under age children alone, period.
(03-19-2021, 07:05 PM)Michigan Swamp Buck Wrote: Former President of Drag Queen Story Hour Foundation and Children’s Court Judge Arrested on Seven Counts of Child Porn
Quote:BREAKING: Former President of Drag Queen Story Hour Foundation and Children’s Court Judge Arrested on Seven Counts of Child Porn
A Milwaukee County Children’s Court judge and former president and CEO of the Cream City Foundation, which runs the city’s drag queen story hour program, has been arrested on seven counts of child pornography.
Brett Blomme, 38, was arrested on Tuesday for allegedly uploading 27 images and videos of children being sexually abused on the messaging app Kik.
Blomme was held overnight and released with a signature. He has been ordered to stay off social media and file-sharing services and is not allowed near any children except the two that he adopted with his husband.
This will be ignored and made excuses for by the liberals. They will say things like,
"There is nothing wrong with Drag Queen Story Hour!"
"This is clearly an isolated incident."
"It's a fact that homosexuals and drag queens aren't pedophiles."
It is commonly known that people who are sexually attracted to children pursue careers that have them around kids.
IMO pushing this lifestyle on children has only one purpose, and it repulses me, we can't allow this movement to go forward without some serious resistance. Live the lifestyle of your choice but leave under age children alone, period.
Why in God's name haven't they removed the children from the home? Anyone else that would have come exactly first, for the safety of the children!
but no...its no contact with any kids besides the ones your most likely to be abusing right now... wow. just wow. ..
Here is an article from 2018, just have a look at how the Progressive's were promoting and encouraging Children to Preform.
Quote:Letting an 8-year-old be a drag queen isn't progressive, it's child abuse
Quote:Move over transgender kids, there is a new trend in town. Drag kids — kids dressed in full garb of their biologically opposite gender — are now joining the scene with transgender kids. The parents, guardians, and advocates of transgender or drag kids are not only supportive, but seem to be encouraging the child’s experience and publicity.
There’s nothing politically correct about this new frontier; it’s abuse, merely distorted and cloaked in progressivism.
At first glance, Desmond and Queen Lactatia seem almost cartoonish and fabricated, but a closer look proves these are young children, ten and eight, respectively, born male who not only dress in drag (and look like females) but are advertising for companies.
Any parent of an elementary school-aged child knows children can’t wear clothes they don’t have or drive themselves places.
The parents of these drag kids, are not just supporting it but encouraging it by purchasing supplies and carting their kids to drag events.
This seems not only bizarre but abusive in the sense that it’s an unnatural distortion of healthy child’s play. Source
At least this Journalist had it right by calling this Child Abuse.
Quote:Exposing Kids to Drag Isn't Abuse
I'll post just one statement from a Parent.
Quote:Parents like David Burtka say there are few drawbacks when it comes to children and drag — and many benefits.
I agree with the sentiment adults should be free to live their lives as they see fit. Want to dress up as a drag queen? Go ahead.
My first concern here is the possible child abuse aspect. I say "possible" because the person has not had their day in court yet.
My second concern is the MSM's reluctance to even touch the subject of sexual abuse against children. And when they do, they make little of it or play it off as just another sexual orientation.
Call me conspiratorial. Call me crazy. To me this smacks of purposefully trying to erode concern for others. In this case, children.
(03-20-2021, 01:45 AM)ABNARTY Wrote: I agree with the sentiment adults should be free to live their lives as they see fit. Want to dress up as a drag queen? Go ahead.
My first concern here is the possible child abuse aspect. I say "possible" because the person has not had their day in court yet.
My second concern is the MSM's reluctance to even touch the subject of sexual abuse against children. And when they do, they make little of it or play it off as just another sexual orientation.
Call me conspiratorial. Call me crazy. To me this smacks of purposefully trying to erode concern for others. In this case, children.
I cannot understand the purpose of desensitizing the public to the idea of pedophilia unless those in power are a bunch of pedos themselves. They start with advocating gay rights, then gay marriage and gender choice, then lower the age of consent and sexualize children, to what possible end is all this effort made? They want their evil sexual deviance to be accepted by the public so they can get their nasty kink on without fear of punishment and worse yet, to be accepted with open arms and even celebrated for their "progressive liberalism". It is revolting and makes me feel violent, as passive of a person as I am.
One of the main problems is the generic belief that 'alternative sexual desires' are generally seen
as private acts or behaviour that have no reason to be performed in a public arena.
A Drag-Queen is a performance where the (usually) male overtly transforms into a female for reasons
that the public may find suspicious. If the lavishly-dressed person playing out a role of a character who
enjoys the exaggerated attire and make-up, there is a slight relaxation in the public's mind -as long as
such an outrageous display is kept in an adult setting.
Again, if this type of dressing-up is a personal need, then it would be appropriate in a civilised society to
confine this behaviour to a private setting. However, it seems the act of Drag demands it to have an audience
to benefit the performer, which to many, smacks of something akin to validating a personal sexual act in front
of witnesses.
It could be suggested that this kind of cross-dressing is no different from touching oneself on a crowded bus and
enjoying the shock of someone noticing.
Using education of the young as a vehicle to 'normalise' cross-dressing is very dangerous -in my view, because the
original reasons for Drag wasn't to validate transvestite-ism, but merely an outgrowth of the Mummers plays in
early English folklore.
But over all, it's a masking, a hiding of a person beneath another character. This is falsehood and ranges from a
hunter resembling his/her surroundings to get close to prey, to a person playing an exaggerated persona of a clown
to gain favour and adoration from an audience.
If one needs to disguise a belief or idea inside a more generally acceptable perception, it's not an honourable act
of truth-telling or having faith in the original message, it's deception.
Does this kind of betrayal sit well in a education-of-the-young section of society...? I would suggest not, it's akin
to the tactics of the hunter.
03-20-2021, 03:04 PM (This post was last modified: 03-20-2021, 03:05 PM by Mystic Wanderer.)
Grace said,
Quote:Why in God's name haven't they removed the children from the home? Anyone else that would have come exactly first, for the safety of the children!
but no...its no contact with any kids besides the ones your most likely to be abusing right now... wow. just wow. ..
Yeah, just like that woman that lost her daughter because she didn't wear a mask when dropping her off at school.
I made a thread about it in case anyone missed it.
(03-20-2021, 01:45 AM)ABNARTY Wrote: I agree with the sentiment adults should be free to live their lives as they see fit. Want to dress up as a drag queen? Go ahead.
My first concern here is the possible child abuse aspect. I say "possible" because the person has not had their day in court yet.
My second concern is the MSM's reluctance to even touch the subject of sexual abuse against children. And when they do, they make little of it or play it off as just another sexual orientation.
Call me conspiratorial. Call me crazy. To me this smacks of purposefully trying to erode concern for others. In this case, children.
I cannot understand the purpose of desensitizing the public to the idea of pedophilia unless those in power are a bunch of pedos themselves. They start with advocating gay rights, then gay marriage and gender choice, then lower the age of consent and sexualize children, to what possible end is all this effort made? They want their evil sexual deviance to be accepted by the public so they can get their nasty kink on without fear of punishment and worse yet, to be accepted with open arms and even celebrated for their "progressive liberalism". It is revolting and makes me feel violent, as passive of a person as I am.
I can appreciate the sentiment of wanting to protect. To me that is an honorable, natural thing for an adult to feel about children. Sexualizing them is the antithesis of this. A danger to the tribe. Something to attack and eliminate. I guess that is where my anger comes from.
(03-20-2021, 10:18 AM)BIAD Wrote: One of the main problems is the generic belief that 'alternative sexual desires' are generally seen
as private acts or behaviour that have no reason to be performed in a public arena.
A Drag-Queen is a performance where the (usually) male overtly transforms into a female for reasons
that the public may find suspicious. If the lavishly-dressed person playing out a role of a character who
enjoys the exaggerated attire and make-up, there is a slight relaxation in the public's mind -as long as
such an outrageous display is kept in an adult setting.
Again, if this type of dressing-up is a personal need, then it would be appropriate in a civilised society to
confine this behaviour to a private setting. However, it seems the act of Drag demands it to have an audience
to benefit the performer, which to many, smacks of something akin to validating a personal sexual act in front
of witnesses.
It could be suggested that this kind of cross-dressing is no different from touching oneself on a crowded bus and
enjoying the shock of someone noticing.
Using education of the young as a vehicle to 'normalise' cross-dressing is very dangerous -in my view, because the
original reasons for Drag wasn't to validate transvestite-ism, but merely an outgrowth of the Mummers plays in
early English folklore.
But over all, it's a masking, a hiding of a person beneath another character. This is falsehood and ranges from a
hunter resembling his/her surroundings to get close to prey, to a person playing an exaggerated persona of a clown
to gain favour and adoration from an audience.
If one needs to disguise a belief or idea inside a more generally acceptable perception, it's not an honourable act
of truth-telling or having faith in the original message, it's deception.
Does this kind of betrayal sit well in a education-of-the-young section of society...? I would suggest not, it's akin
to the tactics of the hunter.
This is an outstanding post. I never even thought about most of these things. But it makes sense.
A drag queen does not automatically equate with a pedophile. Any volunteer reading to kids could be a pedophile with nefarious motives. It does not need to be a drag queen. However, this time it is. The facts themselves connected the dots for many looking at the situation. Be that connection real or perceived.
IMHO, if those in this "program" in Milwaukee really wanted to read to kids, then they would do so in non-drag. Those actions would reflect a genuine desire to help the kids. But they don't do that. Why? Because it's not about the welfare of the children, it's about the welfare of those reading in drag. And to that end, I can only speculate.
In case you didn't know, Biden wanted this guy on the Supreme Court. Pedo minds think alike and all that jazz, I suppose. Just look at the "it" he appointed as Secretary of Health!
03-20-2021, 04:59 PM (This post was last modified: 03-20-2021, 07:09 PM by Grace.)
(03-20-2021, 04:25 PM)Mystic Wanderer Wrote:
In case you didn't know, Biden wanted this guy on the Supreme Court. Pedo minds think alike and all that jazz, I suppose. Just look at the "it" he appointed as Secretary of Health!
i didnt know he was ever a potential SCOTUS pick, not heard that...
As far as the health secretary goes, yeah, that's a really big sign they are planning on preventing children with gender disphoria from going through natural puberty at national levels...
And that scares me... a psychologist back in the day did a study and his findings were that 90% of children with gender disphoria outgrow the condition naturally if allowed to go through puberty .
People can say what they like and argue semantics about the study all day long, but if even half of that number is correct we do a disservice to any child if we allow the medical prevention of the puberty process.. it's truly child abuse.
I mean, I'm disabled and have been for a very long time, but I'd give almost anything not to be... who wouldn't? Being a healthy, normal, functioning member in any society is optimal, I mean God; who would want such a life-long struggle for their child? Certainly not someone who loves their kid!
And if there's even the slightest chance to be completely cured naturally? Who wouldn't give their all to take that chance?
But I do fear we have a serious battle coming, and it's going to be about the children this time... and there's the sore spot, right there. Most people can accept a lot when we are talking adults, but kids? That's a whole different ballgame right there...
In case you didn't know, Biden wanted this guy on the Supreme Court. Pedo minds think alike and all that jazz, I suppose. Just look at the "it" he appointed as Secretary of Health!
i didnt know he was ever a potential SCOTUS pick, not heard that...
As far as the health secretary goes, yeah, that's a really big sign they are planning on preventing children with gender disphoria from going through natural puberty at national levels...
And that scares me... a psychologist back in the day did a study and his findings were that 90% of children with gender disphoria outgrow the condition naturally if allowed to go through puberty .
People can say what they like and argue semantics about the study all day long, but if even half of that number is correct we do a disservice to any child if we allow the medical prevention of the puberty process.. it's truly child abuse.
I mean, I'm disabled and have been for a very long time, but I'd give almost anything not to be... who wouldn't? Being a healthy, normal, functioning member in any society is optimal, I mean God; who would want such a life-long struggle for their child? Certainly not someone who loves their kid!
And if there's even the slightest chance to be completely cured naturally? Who wouldn't give their all to take that chance?
But I do fear we have a serious battle coming, and it's going to be about the children this time... and there's the sore spot, right there. Most people can accept a lot when we are talking adults, but kids? That's a whole different ballgame right there...
Children have little clue about sexuality until after puberty. I don't think any parent should be able to get their kids medically or surgically altered, that is something that should be the kid's choice after becoming a mature adult, the older the better (at least 25 IMO).
As for inciting the general population into a violent reaction, this trend toward sexualising children and grooming them for a deviant sexual subculture will do the trick. By forcing this behavior on the public and trying to make it normalized is just driving the issue like a wedge in our society to cause ever more extreme divisions.
(03-19-2021, 07:05 PM)Michigan Swamp Buck Wrote: Former President of Drag Queen Story Hour Foundation and Children’s Court Judge Arrested on Seven Counts of Child Porn
Quote:BREAKING: Former President of Drag Queen Story Hour Foundation and Children’s Court Judge Arrested on Seven Counts of Child Porn
A Milwaukee County Children’s Court judge and former president and CEO of the Cream City Foundation, which runs the city’s drag queen story hour program, has been arrested on seven counts of child pornography.
Brett Blomme, 38, was arrested on Tuesday for allegedly uploading 27 images and videos of children being sexually abused on the messaging app Kik.
Blomme was held overnight and released with a signature. He has been ordered to stay off social media and file-sharing services and is not allowed near any children except the two that he adopted with his husband.
Should be held in jail with the general prison population. Good punishment. They would probably not take too kindly to a pedo judge. 38 is young for a judge where I'm from. Perhaps they would dress him up in jail. I personally am not too happy with FC judges.
This will be ignored and made excuses for by the liberals. They will say things like,
"There is nothing wrong with Drag Queen Story Hour!"
"This is clearly an isolated incident."
"It's a fact that homosexuals and drag queens aren't pedophiles."
It is commonly known that people who are sexually attracted to children pursue careers that have them around kids.
IMO pushing this lifestyle on children has only one purpose, and it repulses me, we can't allow this movement to go forward without some serious resistance. Live the lifestyle of your choice but leave under age children alone, period.
I gotta start out by saying please folks, don’t equate or lump together drag queens, transvestites and cross-dressers with gender dysphoria/transsexualism and furthermore that gender dysphoria and transsexualism experienced by children and adolescents are completely different conditions with different etiologies and outcomes than from that experienced by adults. These distinctions are very important to keep in mind and if anyone has questions, just ask. I’ve also got to say drag queens reading stories to kids is the dumbest idea ever.
I should also point out that I’m not trying to argue, debate of piss people off. I’m only posting to offer alternate opinions as food for discussion.
(03-20-2021, 04:59 PM)Grace Wrote: As far as the health secretary goes, yeah, that's a really big sign they are planning on preventing children with gender disphoria from going through natural puberty at national levels...
So you saw a blurry picture on the internet, assumed that it was true and wrongly followed up by linking that to some national level agenda? Mmmkay?
Currently there is Republican sponsored legislation pending in 20 different states to prevent trans youth from obtaining puberty suppression and other gender affirming therapies and criminalizes doctors that prescribe it or perform them. If there’s some sort of agenda afoot, look no further than that. Trans youth are under attack across the county thanks to the religious fundamentalist conservative anti-LGBT special interest groups who now feel that since they lost the battle on the whole gay marriage thing, they’ll cowardly go after the most vulnerable segment of the alphabet population – the trans kids.
I am not and I assume you probably aren’t a fan of the government meddling into the private lives of citizens and intruding on decisions made between doctors and parents concerning the health and welfare of their children and telling them how to raise their kids? To me, this is just the kind of thing conservatives rally against it seems unless it supports their agenda which in this case appears to be the eradication of trans kids from existence or to make their lives so intolerable they just go away or stay underground but it’s too late, the genie is already out of the bottle and the horse has already left the stable.
Grace Wrote:And that scares me... a psychologist back in the day did a study and his findings were that 90% of children with gender disphoria outgrow the condition naturally if allowed to go through puberty .
Okay, here is where I feel I must get more involved in this discussion because I have done years of on-going research studying the phenomenon of trans youth from a scientific, sociological, cultural and medical perspective. I have listened to the debates on both sides of this issue to at least try to maintain a balanced view, know several young adults that were prepubertal gender dysphoric pre-transsexual children some of whose natal puberty was suppressed and some that weren’t but more importantly, I can speak directly from personal experience because I was one of those kids.
I also know that misinformation, myth, rumor and junk science are far more prevalent in the minds of the general public about this issue than are the facts and I feel it is my obligation to provide information for those that might be willing to listen when these things come up to maybe help dispel some of those inaccuracies.
Before I go any further, for the record let me add in here that I am not some flag waving trans rights activist (TRA) spouting their ideological nonsense trying to change society to conform to my needs or out publicly in the real wordl about my trans history but what I am is well studied, well read and experienced when it comes to trans children and adolescents so rather than think of me as some sort of activist out to destroy the fabric of society, please consider me an educational resource whose only desire is to present information for those that might be open to having a deeper and more nuanced understanding of these issues.
Let’s start with the “psychologist back in the day” and where the inaccurate 80% to 90% desistance rate comes from. Dr. Kenneth Zucker, a Canadian psychologist and sexologist and a professor in the psychiatry and psychology departments at the University of Toronto, while well respected in his field and well credentialed, has been the main source of and proponent of this misinformation. Studies done by both Zucker and Dr. Thomas Steensma in this area as well of others have been highly criticized for being methodologically flawed primarily for including children that weren’t actually trans in the first place and including those who dropped out of follow-up studies as having desisted.
It is true that a slight majority of gender atypical prepubescent trans children do “desist” at or around puberty and go on to live happy lives as gays and lesbians but more modern and accurate studies put the rates of those desisting in their cross-gender identification between 54% and 63% and even those studies neglect the ones that do desist and then later in life go on to transition anyway. Additionally, the diagnostic criteria were improved in 2015 that would have eliminated huge numbers of children from even being included in these older studies.
’Grace’ Wrote:People can say what they like and argue semantics about the study all day long, but if even half of that number is correct we do a disservice to any child if we allow the medical prevention of the puberty process.. it's truly child abuse.
For the sake of discussion, let’s say that 50% do desist in their cross-gender identification. What about the other 50%? Do we just let these kids who number in the thousands struggle, have miserable lives and spend countless thousands of dollars and endure immeasurable pain correcting the results of an unwanted puberty and often end up with physical attributes that will never allow them to seamlessly fit into society? That seems kind of cruel and heartless?
The effects of “puberty blockers” i.e. gonadatropin hormone releasing analogues/agonists (GnRHa) such as Lupron and other drugs of similar effect are reversible and If discontinued, natal puberty will proceed normally and they are a way for parents and medical professionals to press the pause button giving children a year or two to mature and work out whether they are really trans or not and allow additional time for counseling and evaluation for a child without the fear of undergoing an unwanted puberty looming over their heads which by my own experience is terrifying. Humorously and a bit sarcastically I will add maybe we should put all children on puberty blockers until they are old enough to decide if they are boys or girls?
Considering the high rates of suicidality, depression and anxiety among gender dysphoric children that have exhibited persistent, consistent and insistent evidence of being cross-gender identified, doing nothing is risky business that in itself is considered unethical. Ignoring the needs of a severely distressed and gender dysphoric child is as much “child abuse” as failing to get medical help for any serious medical condition. Ignore it and it might go away but if it doesn’t, you’ve screwed up your kid’s life. Not so cut and dried or black and white, is it?
Here’s where I think sharing my “story” might have a slight influence on your perspective? Most people haven’t actually ever met or know anyone trans or have anyone trans in their family so it is unlikely they’ve heard of or dealt with the condition firsthand but I can help with that.
Note: realizing people will probably stop reading right here if they haven’t already, I’ve removed the story of how I and my family dealt with my transsexualism growing up as a child and teenager. For those that might be interested, I have moved this lengthy tale to a PDF that I have attached below. There might even be a few pictures?
Grace Wrote:I mean, I'm disabled and have been for a very long time, but I'd give almost anything not to be... who wouldn't? Being a healthy, normal, functioning member in any society is optimal, I mean God; who would want such a life-long struggle for their child? Certainly not someone who loves their kid! And if there's even the slightest chance to be completely cured naturally? Who wouldn't give their all to take that chance?
I am sorry that you have been challenged but here I would like the opportunity to present a different perspective for consideration and offer a alternate hypothetical: if there is even the slightest chance that a child could be transsexual are you going to take the risk of denying them reversible treatments that could help their lives not be damaged or possibly destroyed because of having a fixed mindset or failing to do the research necessary to understand the condition?
Many parents share a similar opinion to yours until they have to deal with the suffering and pain of a genuinely and severely gender dysphoric child. I’ve seen every form of right-wing religious Christian conservative bible thumping Republican suddenly change their tune when they have to deal with their own trans child they love unconditionally and compassionately. I’ve also seen this same demographic as well as others who fail to take the time to educate themselves that abandon and disown their children resulting in the worst possible outcomes for these kids so what kind of parent would you be? It’s complicated and hard, huh?
Yes of course, I would have much preferred to have been born female, not suffered with gender dysphoria growing up or had to go through major surgery but none of those things happened and being a healthy, normal functioning member of society when one’s life is afflicted by the struggle with transsexualism is nigh impossible without some resolution to the problem because it is ever present, on-going and inescapable.
My parents, grandparents, extended family and eventually even my biological father all loved me unconditionally very much and did whatever they could to help me even if it was unconventional, confusing and difficult and something they put up with a lot of shit for doing.
Faced with an impossible situation they did whatever they could so that I would thrive, be happy and be a productive member of society not some drug addicted tranny street prostitute doing survival sex work which is unfortunately where many of those of us that don’t have loving and supportive families end up and this outcome is what I assume what you mean by “life-long struggle for their child”?
For me, I was so out of place in the world and so feminine in manner and comportment that it was absolutely impractical and pretty ridiculous for me to try to live as a boy and my folks were very well aware of that and they knew the prospects of me ever successfully living as a man ranged from zero to impossible and a life-long struggle is exactly what my parents didn’t want for me so they did what was best to help me live as a girl and I can guarantee that if they weren’t supportive and understanding, I would not have survived as most of the rest of trans youth from my generation weren’t so lucky and did not.
While I was in school and not really either a boy or a girl, yes I struggled with things no parent would want to see their kid go through. It is not politically correct or scientifically accurate to think of transsexualism/gender dysphoria as an illness or a disorder but the effects are very much the same as if it were. It is crippling and debilitating and there’s no magic pill or drug to fix it, no electroshock or no amount of talk therapy, coaching or punishment or waiting to see if it goes away to help it and it is impossible to make someone that hasn’t experienced it to understand it but there are ways to deal with it which rather than cure it, are more palliative in nature and that is to transition. Gender dysphoria never really goes away but it can be moderated and minimized to the point where we can function fully and normally and live healthy and happy lives.
It was impossible back when I was growing up but think how much less of a struggle and nightmare my young life would have been if I had been able to socially transition at ten and to have blended in and to have effectively vanished as a regular young girl. I would have avoided years of constant aggressive bullying and avoided nearly being beaten to death if I was seen and treated like any other girl and not like some perverted freak.
Fortunately, I did have the love, support and understanding from my parents and I was one tough cookie and a very determined kid and once the nightmare of my school years was over, I have not had any life-long struggles or problems due to my transsexualism and in fact, have had a pretty normal and awesome life but let’s backtrack and think for a minute what if I hadn’t been a late bloomer in the natal puberty department or been able to start HRT relatively young and had grown tall and fully masculinized while still suffering with severe gender dysphoria and the need to transition. Wouldn’t my life been even more difficult? Why would any parent want their kid to go through this knowing it could be prevented?
I know there aren’t many things more controversial than trans children and puberty blockers and undoubtedly my opinions in these matters are skewed by my own experiences but I shudder to think what would have happened if I wasn’t fortunate to have a late, mild and brief male puberty and not had access to hormones at 17 to arrest any further masculinization. I can pretty much assure you that if physical changes made it impossible for me to live and fit in and be unquestionably accepted as a woman and a female I absolutely would have ended my own life, full stop.
If I did have a normal male puberty that started at 12 or 13 and the therapies and protocols existed to arrest developing in that direction, it would have been unconscionable and indeed child abuse to withhold these treatments and my life, if I was even able to have one would have been much much more difficult and challenging. Fortunately, I was always little and never did get very tall (I am a bit over 5’5), never got a deep voice or had to shave my face or got body hair but there are certain aspects of my physicality resulting from the male puberty that I did experience such as maybe having slightly larger than average hands and feet than other women of my height and build that at times have caused my dysphoria to poke its ugly head into my awareness. It’s always there somewhere.
’Grace’ Wrote:But I do fear we have a serious battle coming, and it's going to be about the children this time... and there's the sore spot, right there. Most people can accept a lot when we are talking adults, but kids? That's a whole different ballgame right there...
And I would venture this belief and opinion comes from lack of any actual knowledge or experience of being a trans kid or of being the parent or caregiver of one. I should tell you that trans children and adolescents and trans adults are not the same animal and so different they could be from different planets which is a fact the “transgender community” seeks to erase which I personally feel is a grave mistake. Within the literature from the scientific and medical communities, trans kids and especially those experiencing cross-gender identification/gender dysphoria before puberty are the only ones considered to be “true” transsexuals while the rest are considered something else. Throughout the years, these two types have been called various things like primary/secondary, true/pseudo, HSTS/AGP, early onset/late onset and so on.
The vast majority of genuinely transsexuals youth do successfully disappear into the woodwork and are never heard from again only wanting to be seen and live their lives as normal men and women while some do embrace their trans identity and talk about it as an altruistic and educational way to help with the understanding of our kind and of course in our social media obsessed culture, to get clicks and make money off YouTube. Take this girl for example that began transitioning at 14. Do you think she’s going to have “life-long”struggles?
Take that same person and let her become a 6’2 lumberjack with a heavy masculine build, male features and a beard and still the need to transition and yes, she would have life-long struggles but like myself, she says in the video that she would have rather died than to have that happen to her.
From the outside, it is easy to understand the controversy around this topic. I know my thoughts fall on mostly deaf ears but I hope my words may have allowed a glimpse from the other side or at least provoked more thoughts about the complexity and difficulty of the whole thing? I’m not fighting or arguing or trying to shove anything down anyone’s whatever – just trying to shed a little light on the subject to make my fellow Rogues maybe think beyond preconceived notions or ideology.
Also for the record, I think puberty blockers are appropriate only in certain cases, that half the kids that say they’re trans actually aren’t, especially natal females and they shouldn’t be handed out like candy (which they actually aren’t).
Thanks for the opportunity to speak. Questions, comments and further discussion always appreciated.
--Elisabeth
Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
Thank you. I read the post, I read the PDF, but I'm gonna ruminate for a while before I make any real response. I haven't watched the video yet, but to be honest I think there might be a possibility that it might freak me out a bit, so I'll have another beer before I fire it up. Nerve medicine, y'know?
A few lighter responses:
I had a tough childhood, too, but for entirely different reasons than yours. Still, I think I can identify just a little, but not all the way, of course. I sorted mine out when I went into the 8th grade, so it was not as prolonged as your tough childhood. I too was relentlessly picked on by other kids, and would never fight back, which did result in some degree of injury now and again. That changed in the 8th grade when one day I just decided I'd had about enough, DID fight back, and discovered I had what I reckon was an inborn talent for it. Life got a bit easier after that.
One result of that was that I never let any other kids get picked on thereafter if the miscreants were within arm's reach, or if I could get them within arm's reach. But that's a whole 'nother, unrelated, tale.
Later, I left home at 17 to make my mark on the world. I think it made more marks on me than I made on it, but sometimes life is just about being able to trade punches and remain standing. Still, I think 17 is probably old enough to start a transition if that is what is necessary for an individual. I made some harsh decisions at 17, and still managed to survive them, although not everyone around me did. I think by 17, your gender is pretty well sorted out, your mind is set, and everything is what it's always gonna be.
I started puberty at 9, but it was a long, dragged out affair. It wasn't all of the sudden like with most other kids. I had a mustache at 13, which has remained in place throughout my life and never been shaved, but I couldn't grow a full manly beard until after 30. So, yeah, it was a long dragged out affair. Because of that potential for early puberty, I'm not sure that delaying puberty for kids in crisis is necessarily a bad thing, but starting actual transition may be. Their minds are not always fully formed early on and there are misdiagnoses, which in this day and age I think may be of real concern, especially considering the drastic nature of a full transition. I believe that in some circles, it may be a "fad" that can go horribly wrong for the kids involved.
My mind keeps going back to the school counselors that insisted I put my son on Ritalin, because he fought too much. He did. He had some anger issues, particularly so after his ma died of cancer when he was 11 years old. His mom was all for it before she died, because it was the "in" thing I guess, but I was dead set against it, and fought tooth and nail to keep Ritalin from happening in his young world. I'd have taken him out of school and he'd have grown up speaking Spanish in Honduras if they had pushed it much harder. As it turned out, he wasn't fighting because he was a problem child...
... he just wasn't letting other kids get picked on, either, and that was probably my fault, rather than his.
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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.
Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’
Quote: I know my thoughts fall on mostly deaf ears but I hope my words may have allowed a glimpse from the other side
Hello... I had made a small post hoping not to stray too far from thread topic, however, all that you have said is really a topic of its own...
Do you want to post this as a new topic? I'm happy to respond and engage in dialogue - I'm just unsure how far we should go into this line of discussion without it being a new topic.
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(03-23-2021, 05:38 AM)Freija Wrote: I gotta start out by saying please folks, don’t equate or lump together drag queens, transvestites and cross-dressers with gender dysphoria/transsexualism and furthermore that gender dysphoria and transsexualism experienced by children and adolescents are completely different conditions with different etiologies and outcomes than from that experienced by adults. These distinctions are very important to keep in mind and if anyone has questions, just ask. I’ve also got to say drag queens reading stories to kids is the dumbest idea ever.
I should also point out that I’m not trying to argue, debate of piss people off. I’m only posting to offer alternate opinions as food for discussion.
(03-20-2021, 04:59 PM)Grace Wrote: As far as the health secretary goes, yeah, that's a really big sign they are planning on preventing children with gender disphoria from going through natural puberty at national levels...
So you saw a blurry picture on the internet, assumed that it was true and wrongly followed up by linking that to some national level agenda? Mmmkay?
Currently there is Republican sponsored legislation pending in 20 different states to prevent trans youth from obtaining puberty suppression and other gender affirming therapies and criminalizes doctors that prescribe it or perform them. If there’s some sort of agenda afoot, look no further than that. Trans youth are under attack across the county thanks to the religious fundamentalist conservative anti-LGBT special interest groups who now feel that since they lost the battle on the whole gay marriage thing, they’ll cowardly go after the most vulnerable segment of the alphabet population – the trans kids.
I am not and I assume you probably aren’t a fan of the government meddling into the private lives of citizens and intruding on decisions made between doctors and parents concerning the health and welfare of their children and telling them how to raise their kids? To me, this is just the kind of thing conservatives rally against it seems unless it supports their agenda which in this case appears to be the eradication of trans kids from existence or to make their lives so intolerable they just go away or stay underground but it’s too late, the genie is already out of the bottle and the horse has already left the stable.
Grace Wrote:And that scares me... a psychologist back in the day did a study and his findings were that 90% of children with gender disphoria outgrow the condition naturally if allowed to go through puberty .
Okay, here is where I feel I must get more involved in this discussion because I have done years of on-going research studying the phenomenon of trans youth from a scientific, sociological, cultural and medical perspective. I have listened to the debates on both sides of this issue to at least try to maintain a balanced view, know several young adults that were prepubertal gender dysphoric pre-transsexual children some of whose natal puberty was suppressed and some that weren’t but more importantly, I can speak directly from personal experience because I was one of those kids.
I also know that misinformation, myth, rumor and junk science are far more prevalent in the minds of the general public about this issue than are the facts and I feel it is my obligation to provide information for those that might be willing to listen when these things come up to maybe help dispel some of those inaccuracies.
Before I go any further, for the record let me add in here that I am not some flag waving trans rights activist (TRA) spouting their ideological nonsense trying to change society to conform to my needs or out publicly in the real wordl about my trans history but what I am is well studied, well read and experienced when it comes to trans children and adolescents so rather than think of me as some sort of activist out to destroy the fabric of society, please consider me an educational resource whose only desire is to present information for those that might be open to having a deeper and more nuanced understanding of these issues.
Let’s start with the “psychologist back in the day” and where the inaccurate 80% to 90% desistance rate comes from. Dr. Kenneth Zucker, a Canadian psychologist and sexologist and a professor in the psychiatry and psychology departments at the University of Toronto, while well respected in his field and well credentialed, has been the main source of and proponent of this misinformation. Studies done by both Zucker and Dr. Thomas Steensma in this area as well of others have been highly criticized for being methodologically flawed primarily for including children that weren’t actually trans in the first place and including those who dropped out of follow-up studies as having desisted.
It is true that a slight majority of gender atypical prepubescent trans children do “desist” at or around puberty and go on to live happy lives as gays and lesbians but more modern and accurate studies put the rates of those desisting in their cross-gender identification between 54% and 63% and even those studies neglect the ones that do desist and then later in life go on to transition anyway. Additionally, the diagnostic criteria were improved in 2015 that would have eliminated huge numbers of children from even being included in these older studies.
’Grace’ Wrote:People can say what they like and argue semantics about the study all day long, but if even half of that number is correct we do a disservice to any child if we allow the medical prevention of the puberty process.. it's truly child abuse.
For the sake of discussion, let’s say that 50% do desist in their cross-gender identification. What about the other 50%? Do we just let these kids who number in the thousands struggle, have miserable lives and spend countless thousands of dollars and endure immeasurable pain correcting the results of an unwanted puberty and often end up with physical attributes that will never allow them to seamlessly fit into society? That seems kind of cruel and heartless?
The effects of “puberty blockers” i.e. gonadatropin hormone releasing analogues/agonists (GnRHa) such as Lupron and other drugs of similar effect are reversible and If discontinued, natal puberty will proceed normally and they are a way for parents and medical professionals to press the pause button giving children a year or two to mature and work out whether they are really trans or not and allow additional time for counseling and evaluation for a child without the fear of undergoing an unwanted puberty looming over their heads which by my own experience is terrifying. Humorously and a bit sarcastically I will add maybe we should put all children on puberty blockers until they are old enough to decide if they are boys or girls?
Considering the high rates of suicidality, depression and anxiety among gender dysphoric children that have exhibited persistent, consistent and insistent evidence of being cross-gender identified, doing nothing is risky business that in itself is considered unethical. Ignoring the needs of a severely distressed and gender dysphoric child is as much “child abuse” as failing to get medical help for any serious medical condition. Ignore it and it might go away but if it doesn’t, you’ve screwed up your kid’s life. Not so cut and dried or black and white, is it?
Here’s where I think sharing my “story” might have a slight influence on your perspective? Most people haven’t actually ever met or know anyone trans or have anyone trans in their family so it is unlikely they’ve heard of or dealt with the condition firsthand but I can help with that.
Note: realizing people will probably stop reading right here if they haven’t already, I’ve removed the story of how I and my family dealt with my transsexualism growing up as a child and teenager. For those that might be interested, I have moved this lengthy tale to a PDF that I have attached below. There might even be a few pictures?
Grace Wrote:I mean, I'm disabled and have been for a very long time, but I'd give almost anything not to be... who wouldn't? Being a healthy, normal, functioning member in any society is optimal, I mean God; who would want such a life-long struggle for their child? Certainly not someone who loves their kid! And if there's even the slightest chance to be completely cured naturally? Who wouldn't give their all to take that chance?
I am sorry that you have been challenged but here I would like the opportunity to present a different perspective for consideration and offer a alternate hypothetical: if there is even the slightest chance that a child could be transsexual are you going to take the risk of denying them reversible treatments that could help their lives not be damaged or possibly destroyed because of having a fixed mindset or failing to do the research necessary to understand the condition?
Many parents share a similar opinion to yours until they have to deal with the suffering and pain of a genuinely and severely gender dysphoric child. I’ve seen every form of right-wing religious Christian conservative bible thumping Republican suddenly change their tune when they have to deal with their own trans child they love unconditionally and compassionately. I’ve also seen this same demographic as well as others who fail to take the time to educate themselves that abandon and disown their children resulting in the worst possible outcomes for these kids so what kind of parent would you be? It’s complicated and hard, huh?
Yes of course, I would have much preferred to have been born female, not suffered with gender dysphoria growing up or had to go through major surgery but none of those things happened and being a healthy, normal functioning member of society when one’s life is afflicted by the struggle with transsexualism is nigh impossible without some resolution to the problem because it is ever present, on-going and inescapable.
My parents, grandparents, extended family and eventually even my biological father all loved me unconditionally very much and did whatever they could to help me even if it was unconventional, confusing and difficult and something they put up with a lot of shit for doing.
Faced with an impossible situation they did whatever they could so that I would thrive, be happy and be a productive member of society not some drug addicted tranny street prostitute doing survival sex work which is unfortunately where many of those of us that don’t have loving and supportive families end up and this outcome is what I assume what you mean by “life-long struggle for their child”?
For me, I was so out of place in the world and so feminine in manner and comportment that it was absolutely impractical and pretty ridiculous for me to try to live as a boy and my folks were very well aware of that and they knew the prospects of me ever successfully living as a man ranged from zero to impossible and a life-long struggle is exactly what my parents didn’t want for me so they did what was best to help me live as a girl and I can guarantee that if they weren’t supportive and understanding, I would not have survived as most of the rest of trans youth from my generation weren’t so lucky and did not.
While I was in school and not really either a boy or a girl, yes I struggled with things no parent would want to see their kid go through. It is not politically correct or scientifically accurate to think of transsexualism/gender dysphoria as an illness or a disorder but the effects are very much the same as if it were. It is crippling and debilitating and there’s no magic pill or drug to fix it, no electroshock or no amount of talk therapy, coaching or punishment or waiting to see if it goes away to help it and it is impossible to make someone that hasn’t experienced it to understand it but there are ways to deal with it which rather than cure it, are more palliative in nature and that is to transition. Gender dysphoria never really goes away but it can be moderated and minimized to the point where we can function fully and normally and live healthy and happy lives.
It was impossible back when I was growing up but think how much less of a struggle and nightmare my young life would have been if I had been able to socially transition at ten and to have blended in and to have effectively vanished as a regular young girl. I would have avoided years of constant aggressive bullying and avoided nearly being beaten to death if I was seen and treated like any other girl and not like some perverted freak.
Fortunately, I did have the love, support and understanding from my parents and I was one tough cookie and a very determined kid and once the nightmare of my school years was over, I have not had any life-long struggles or problems due to my transsexualism and in fact, have had a pretty normal and awesome life but let’s backtrack and think for a minute what if I hadn’t been a late bloomer in the natal puberty department or been able to start HRT relatively young and had grown tall and fully masculinized while still suffering with severe gender dysphoria and the need to transition. Wouldn’t my life been even more difficult? Why would any parent want their kid to go through this knowing it could be prevented?
I know there aren’t many things more controversial than trans children and puberty blockers and undoubtedly my opinions in these matters are skewed by my own experiences but I shudder to think what would have happened if I wasn’t fortunate to have a late, mild and brief male puberty and not had access to hormones at 17 to arrest any further masculinization. I can pretty much assure you that if physical changes made it impossible for me to live and fit in and be unquestionably accepted as a woman and a female I absolutely would have ended my own life, full stop.
If I did have a normal male puberty that started at 12 or 13 and the therapies and protocols existed to arrest developing in that direction, it would have been unconscionable and indeed child abuse to withhold these treatments and my life, if I was even able to have one would have been much much more difficult and challenging. Fortunately, I was always little and never did get very tall (I am a bit over 5’5), never got a deep voice or had to shave my face or got body hair but there are certain aspects of my physicality resulting from the male puberty that I did experience such as maybe having slightly larger than average hands and feet than other women of my height and build that at times have caused my dysphoria to poke its ugly head into my awareness. It’s always there somewhere.
’Grace’ Wrote:But I do fear we have a serious battle coming, and it's going to be about the children this time... and there's the sore spot, right there. Most people can accept a lot when we are talking adults, but kids? That's a whole different ballgame right there...
And I would venture this belief and opinion comes from lack of any actual knowledge or experience of being a trans kid or of being the parent or caregiver of one. I should tell you that trans children and adolescents and trans adults are not the same animal and so different they could be from different planets which is a fact the “transgender community” seeks to erase which I personally feel is a grave mistake. Within the literature from the scientific and medical communities, trans kids and especially those experiencing cross-gender identification/gender dysphoria before puberty are the only ones considered to be “true” transsexuals while the rest are considered something else. Throughout the years, these two types have been called various things like primary/secondary, true/pseudo, HSTS/AGP, early onset/late onset and so on.
The vast majority of genuinely transsexuals youth do successfully disappear into the woodwork and are never heard from again only wanting to be seen and live their lives as normal men and women while some do embrace their trans identity and talk about it as an altruistic and educational way to help with the understanding of our kind and of course in our social media obsessed culture, to get clicks and make money off YouTube. Take this girl for example that began transitioning at 14. Do you think she’s going to have “life-long”struggles?
Take that same person and let her become a 6’2 lumberjack with a heavy masculine build, male features and a beard and still the need to transition and yes, she would have life-long struggles but like myself, she says in the video that she would have rather died than to have that happen to her.
From the outside, it is easy to understand the controversy around this topic. I know my thoughts fall on mostly deaf ears but I hope my words may have allowed a glimpse from the other side or at least provoked more thoughts about the complexity and difficulty of the whole thing? I’m not fighting or arguing or trying to shove anything down anyone’s whatever – just trying to shed a little light on the subject to make my fellow Rogues maybe think beyond preconceived notions or ideology.
Also for the record, I think puberty blockers are appropriate only in certain cases, that half the kids that say they’re trans actually aren’t, especially natal females and they shouldn’t be handed out like candy (which they actually aren’t).
Thanks for the opportunity to speak. Questions, comments and further discussion always appreciated.
--Elisabeth
That's one hell of a wall of text.
It would make a fine book published on Amazon so that you could have a short summary and a link to it for people who want to read your life story in greater detail. If the book takes off and you make bank, great! You can hit the talk show circuit and maybe get an Oprah interview during prime time. They sky's the limit, open your wings and fly!
If you get a book signing gig in west Michigan, I'll go.
Ninurta Wrote:I haven't watched the video yet, but to be honest I think there might be a possibility that it might freak me out a bit
Haha! Her story is not so dissimilar to mine except she came out as bisexual and then gay before figuring out she was really trans which isn’t that uncommon. People thought I was a gay boy too. Being gay or bi is a lot easier and more accepted and sometimes people have to work through a few things and try on a few different hats before figuring things out. Like she says in the video, she didn’t even know people could be trans. I didn’t either but figured it out on my own.
There’s really nothing to freak out about unless it’s to your own reactions if you find her attractive?
Here is a funny one by a Swedish girl from my tribe and of my “type” reading her hate comments with her boyfriend.
At any rate, thanks for wading through my extraordinary walls of text and for your comments. The purpose of writing and sharing my “story” of growing up wasn’t for victim points or sympathy. It was to illustrate the kind of things kids like me should never have to go through just to be themselves in these supposedly more enlightened and informed times.
There aren’t a whole lot of things I care about or am more passionate about than the lives and health of trans youth so they don’t have to deal with the shit I did but I guess that’s pretty obvious? If it matters, I don’t give 2 flying f’s about adult transgender people, the “trans community” or trans “ideology”.
Ninurta Wrote:I'm not sure that delaying puberty for kids in crisis is necessarily a bad thing, but starting actual transition may be
I’ll try to breakdown and understand what you mean here? There’s social transition and then there’s medical transition and for some kids that have been properly diagnosed and under observation by a multidisciplinary team of doctors, the possibility of going on puberty blockers that do not cause physical changes and are reversible if discontinued allowing natal puberty to proceed normally is considered. If not covered under insurance, GNrH analogues can cost $1,000 to $1,200 per month and the implant type of blocker (Histrelin/Supprelin) can run $18,000 to $20,000 every 18 months. In the long run though, they can save a lot of money and pain on surgery to reverse the effects of an unwanted natal puberty.
Most people don’t realize a good percentage of the kids that do go on “blockers” have been seeing therapists for several years. There are a few kids that do socially transition really young then another grouping around 9 or 10 and others at or near puberty. Social transition consists of therapy and counseling, name and pronoun change and a change in clothing and hair styles and nothing more. No children are taking hormones or getting surgery. If you hear or read that, it is simply untrue.
If that child has proven solid in their social role and identity, at puberty they are very unlikely to desist but contrary to what the general public and right leaning media like to suggest, the affirming care approach puts no pressure on the child to persist and the door is always left open for them to decide living as the gender opposite their natal sex isn’t working for them. Some people also like to suggest that puberty blockers are being forced on children which is also untrue. It is the kids themselves begging for them and the only time they may be “forced” is in lieu of taking cross-sex hormones. There was no such thing as puberty blockers when I was a kid but had there been and I had been aware of them, I would have done any and everything to have them. If I hadn’t been lucky in the late puberty department, they could have been life saving.
The Endocrine Society recommends puberty blockers be started only after a child has reached Tanner Stage 1 or 2 of natal puberty which is usually somewhere between 11 and 13 for most kids and taken for an average of about 2 years, at least in this country, before starting cross-sex hormones that usually don’t start until 14/15 if that’s still where the child wants to go?
Here’s where things get a little tricky. Estrogen or an estrogen and progesterone combo are relatively weak hormones and kids that do start on this protocol start with very small doses that are usually increased over a period of a year or so. Development and physical changes happen very slowly and it usually takes up to two years for breasts to fully develop and most trans girls are lucky to get an A or small B cup size at best depending of course on genetics and family history.
A trans girl could take estrogen for a year and if stopped, most of the time whatever changes have happened will revert. It should be noted that like 98% of kids that start on blockers then do go on to start taking cross-sex HRT.
Testosterone given to trans boys on the other hand is a VERY powerful hormone producing rapid and irreversible changes within three months. Their voices will permanently deepen, they will develop body and facial hair, an Adam’s apple, muscles and in most cases cease menstruation. (Trans men getting pregnant is not unheard of) Natal females wanting to transition outnumber natal males 4 to 1, the historical opposite of what it has been and my personal opinion is that natal females need a LOT more scrutiny and evaluation before undergoing any medical transition as we’re now seeing a large portion of them “detransition” and it is not a pretty sight and the anti-trans activists seize on the opportunity to use this against all trans folks.
There are several trains of though on the whole blocker thing. Let’s say a trans girl socially transitions in the 4th or 5th grade and is obviously not ever going to desist. Going on blockers and making her wait until 15 or 16 to start cross-sex hormones may have some negative psychological effects from remaining in a prepubescent state while all her peers are developing normally. I can tell you that genuine trans kids just want to fit in and be like everybody else and when they don’t experience puberty when their friends and classmates do, it sets them apart and defeats the goal of them feeling normal which is all we want for these kids.
So I have to ask the question, when did you know you were a boy? Was it something you weren’t sure of until you were 17? That sounds pretty silly, doesn’t it? Any book on child development will say a child’s development of their own gender identity is at the core and foundation of personality usually starting at 18 to 24 months and in nearly all cases is set and permanently fixed between the ages of four or five and is lifelong and immutable for like 99% of people.
It isn’t something most people even question unless they are born with transsexualism which while not conclusive, the vast majority of scientific and medical research points to being a biological in nature. As I said in my story, I knew for sure in even my earliest memories that I was a girl and should have been born female and by six or seven was absolutely and unquestionably 100% sure of it which indeed was permanent and immutable as never in my entire life have I thought of felt differently.
One thing I haven’t really brought into the discussion is sexuality as the trans community and their “ideology” wishes to completely erase this as a factor in “transgenderism” (you know I hate that term but it’s applicable in this case). They want sexuality and gender clearly divided into two distinct and separate things which to me is pretty stupid because “gender” is how we advertise our sexuality and unquestionably the two are intertwined and overlapping.
One term or concept I kind of like popularized in the 1960s used as a diagnostic criteria but now unused and disfavored was that of “complete psychosexual inversion” meaning that “true” transsexuals are psychologically and sexually, in terms of their sexual and romantic orientation, inverted or opposite of the natal sex of their bodies. In other words, trans girls/women are androphilic (attracted to males) and trans boys/men are gynephilic (attracted to females). After transition, outwardly this would appear like a heterosexual coupling.
Nearly all young true/classic/primary transsexuals have transitioned no later than 25 with the average being around 20 and nearly 90% of these young MTFs are androphilic although those who are autogynephilic are transitioning at younger ages now too. Blanchard’s theory of autogynephilia, the love as one’s self as a woman, is highly discredited and a forbidden topic in the woke trans community and it’s complicated. It does explain a lot though like the difference between those inherently born with gender dysphoria and those that develop it later in life for “other reasons” generally considered a paraphilia or an erotic target location error. This is why older/late/secondary type trans people, that make up 90% of the trans demographic don’t like Blanchard’s theory because it presents a bad optic.
\Ninurta’ Wrote:I believe that in some circles, it may be a "fad" that can go horribly wrong for the kids involved.
I don’t disagree with you and this “fad” has been given a name: ROGD or rapid onset gender dysphoria and like things such as anorexia, bulimia and cutting, it affects almost entirely natal females. This is why I said above that gender dysphoria in natal females needs to be highly scrutinized and evaluated way more than it is being or we are going to end up with a disaster on our hands. The good news is that most therapists are on the lookout for this now and one can only hope that they proceed cautiously. Sadly and undoubtedly though, some will slip through the cracks which should not be used as a weapon against all trans youth.
This does concern me because it brings so much negative attention to those that are genuinely transsexual, namely the real trans kids. “Gender critical” feminists and TERFs jump at their chance to remove any healthcare for trans youth and seek to eliminate transition entirely. Against medical opinion and a lot of outraged parents, hormone blockers in the UK have just been outlawed for kids under 16 because Kiera Bell, a FTM detranstitioner sued the NHS for “slipping through the cracks” and won.
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’Grace’ Wrote:Do you want to post this as a new topic? I'm happy to respond and engage in dialogue - I'm just unsure how far we should go into this line of discussion without it being a new topic.
I don’t disagree but nobody has said anything or objected and this is a pretty small community so for now at least, I’ve gone ahead and responded here. I don’t think most people have the patience to read my long posts anyway.
@"Michigan Swamp Buck"
Lol! Again with the strawman that has nothing to do with the discussion? I know reading is hard okay but it is real simple to scroll past the part that’s beyond a Twitter length post or more than you can take in at once. Then of all things you quote the entire wall of text post you criticized for length. Brilliant!
Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
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It is common forum practice to be as brief, direct and ON TOPIC with your posts as much as possible. As interesting as you find your own life story in all it's minute detail, confronting readers with a wall of text and loads of unnecessary information doesn't help your personal cause.
Someone else here already tried to politely and ever so nicely tell you to create a separate thread on your topic. Instead, you go on an on explaining about transsexuals and their issues that you are examining, all the while avoiding the actual topic and derailing my thread.
What you are doing is considered typical trolling techniques. You are using "extraneous or off topic posts" and walls of text to over shadow others and derail the original subject matter. From Wikipedia . . .
Quote:In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts flame wars or intentionally upsets people on the Internet. This is typically done by posting inflammatory and digressive,[1]extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog), with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses[2] and normalizing tangential discussion.[3] This is typically for the troll's amusement, or to achieve a specific result such as disrupting a rival's online activities or manipulating a political process.
You are a number five type troll.
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The Show-Off, Know-it-All Or Blabbermouth Troll
A close relative to the persistent debate troll, the show-off or blabbermouth troll is a person who doesn't necessarily like to participate in arguments but does love to share his or her opinion in extreme detail, even spreading rumors and secrets in some cases.
Think of that one family member or friend you know who just loves to hear his or her own voice. That's the Internet equivalent of the show-off or know-it-all or blabbermouth troll.
They love to have long discussions and write lots of paragraphs about whatever they know, whether anyone reads it or not.
In addition to the above, you will make personal attacks on a poster like you have done to me when you have no other response.
Quote:@Michigan Swamp Buck
Lol! Again with the strawman that has nothing to do with the discussion? I know reading is hard okay but it is real simple to scroll past the part that’s beyond a Twitter length post or more than you can take in at once. Then of all things you quote the entire wall of text post you criticized for length. Brilliant!
Yeah, I'm pretty much at 6 grade reading level and can't get through your lengthy diatribe on tranny issues. I should start reading some Dr Suess and brush up on my reading skills and stay away from forums like this until I get to at least middle school reading comprehension.
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