The Scary War Game Over Taiwan That the U.S. Loses Again and Again

[727Sky]

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By Richard Bernstein, RealClearInvestigations

August 17, 2020
Around a large table with a map and icons representing ships, submarines, planes, missile batteries, land-based forces, space-based sensors, and other apparatuses of modern warfare, officials from the Pentagon and the Rand Corp. fight a thus far unimaginable conflict.
The Red Team, composed of experts on the Chinese military, aims to use all available forces to capture Taiwan, the island 90 miles off the coast that China regards as a renegade province and that it has repeatedly vowed to retake, by force if necessary. 

China's strategy would be to get an invasion fleet across the Taiwan Strait before the U.S. could come to its tiny ally’s aid. “And once that happens we'd face an Iwo Jima situation,” says a defense analyst, referring to a costly campaign to dislodge occupying Japanese in World War II.
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The Blue Team, made up U.S. military personnel with operational experience — fighter pilots, cyber warriors, space experts, missile defense specialists – must try to defeat the Chinese invasion.
It doesn't generally go well for the Blue Team.
“It's had its ass handed to it for years,” David A. Ochmanek, a former deputy assistant secretary of defense for force development and now a defense analyst at Rand, told RealClearInvestigations. “For years the Blue Team has been in shock because they didn't realize how badly off they were in a confrontation with China.”
War game simulations are not the real world, of course, where an array of economic, diplomatic and cultural considerations inform a country's military decisions and actions. And few experts on China seem to think that the country will actually go to war over Taiwan anytime soon.
But as the U.S. seeks a closer alliance with Taiwan – illustrated by the visit of Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar there last week, the highest-level official U.S. delegation to the island in 40 years – the possibility of war between the two superpowers may be more than theoretical: A bill now before both houses of Congress, the Taiwan Defense Act, would end the long-held American policy of “strategic ambiguity” – which aims to keep China guessing as to the U.S. response to any attempt to take Taiwan by force – and require the U.S. “to delay, degrade, and ultimately defeat” an attempt by China “to use military force to seize control of Taiwan.”

David Ochmanek, ex-Pentagon official and defense analyst: The American side in Taiwan war-game simulations has “had its ass handed to it for years.” 
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The proposed legislation reflects strong bipartisan support for Taiwan in Congress. But it's hard to predict. whether public opinion, already tired of long American wars in Asia, would support the faraway island, where the U.S. maintains has no U.S. military presence now although it maintains forces in the region. Nonetheless, if passed the measure would be far more than a tough talk statement of belief – it would impose serious legal obligations that would demand action. This adds an urgency to the questions officials are now asking: What would happen if China launched an all-out military effort to seize Taiwan? Does the United States possess the wherewithal to meet the obligations of the Taiwan Defense Act?
These questions are hotly debated among military specialists and within the Pentagon, but at a time of national preoccupations over COVID-19 and the looming presidential election, they have received scant notice in the mainstream press. And yet, given the rise of tensions with China, they are perhaps among the most important facing the country.
Taiwan became a separate entity from Mainland China in 1949, when the defeated Nationalist forces retreated to the island, 90 miles off China's southeast coast, and set up a rival government. Over the years, even as every major country has officially recognized Beijing as the rightful government of all of China, Taiwan has become a full-fledged democracy, with public opinion there overwhelmingly opposed to any formula that would reattach the island to the mainland and its authoritarian ways. 
Despite China’s often warlike rhetoric and its continuous efforts to isolate Taiwan diplomatically – not allowing it, for example, to participate in World Health Organization meetings even during the coronavirus pandemic – most analysts think it does not want to use military force against Taiwan.

Taiwanese amphibious troops in exercises this year to show determination to defend Taiwan from Chinese threats. 
(AP Photo/Chiang Ying-ying)

In the short term China seems to be hoping that the Trump administration's hard line is more a matter of electoral politics than a permanent American position. U.S. intelligence has also concluded that Beijing hopes Trump loses in November to former Vice President Joe Biden (who faces criticism over his son Hunter's lucrative deals in China.)
Still, China’s tense relations, not just with the U.S. but many Western nations, are not rooted in electoral politics. There is a more general alarm over aggressive Chinese policies, including the mass detention of Uighurs; its claims in the South China Sea; its crackdown on Hong Kong's traditional freedoms; its cyberattacks against other governments; and fears that it is using high-tech products it exports to spy on citizens of other countries.  China shows no sign of moderating its policies, especially in areas that it regards as its “core interests,” and no core interest is more important to it than establishing its sovereignty over Taiwan.
As China faces more criticism, there's no question that achieving what Beijing calls the “reunification of the motherland” would be a crowning glory for the Chinese Communist Party and its authoritarian leader, Xi Jinping. Senior Chinese officials continually issue warnings that they are ready to use force if other means of achieving reunification fail, and that is the reason for China's massive military buildup, which, as the Pentagon’s war games show, has created a new and unprecedented challenges for the United States.

China staging large-scale war games in 2016 featuring mock beach landings, helicopter assaults and tank battles along its east coast facing Taiwan.
(CCTV via AP) 

As several military analysts put it, the days of unfettered American military superiority in the Western Pacific are over. China has, the analysts say, achieved what's called anti-access area denial, or A2/AD, which would prevent American forces from being able to penetrate anywhere near Taiwan once a war there started.
Given this capability, China, with its 2-million-strong military, might directly attack Taiwan, with a standing force of 220,000, hoping that the U.S. would stay out of the conflict. But the U.S. would have powerful reasons for not allowing that to happen. Aside from the destruction of a friendly democracy, a Chinese seizure of Taiwan would enormously expand China's power and position in Asia, especially if combined with its absorption of the entire South China Sea into its maritime territory.  This would be a major step forward for China, now clearly a strategic revival and an enemy of democracy, in its goal of replacing the U.S. as the dominant power in all of Asia.
If China felt that the U.S. would intervene, military planners from the Pentagon and Rand who have gamed out scenarios believe a war over Taiwan would most likely begin with a massive attack by advanced Chinese missiles against three American targets: its bases on Okinawa and Guam, its ships in the Western Pacific, including aircraft carrier groups, and its air force squadrons in the region. 
Military analysts predict the American side would initially counter with Patriot anti-missile missiles. But the sheer number of Chinese missiles would mean that hundreds of them would reach their targets. American submarines operating near Taiwan would be able to sink some Chinese ships, including amphibious landing craft bringing the Chinese invading force to Taiwan. But the number of submarines near enough to the battle zones at the time of the Chinese strike would, analysts say, be around 20 or 25, each armed with about 12 torpedoes and 10 or so Harpoon missiles, not nearly enough to overcome China's flood-the-zone strategy. Military analysts seem to agree that in the first day or two, there would likely be thousands of American deaths and the loss of billions of dollars’ worth of materiel.
“We're playing an away game against China,” Rand’s Ochmanek said. “When bases are subjected to repeated attacks, it makes it exponentially more difficult to project power far away.”
“The casualties that the Chinese could inflict on us could be staggering,” said Timothy Heath, a senior international defense researcher at Rand and formerly a China analyst at the U.S. Pacific Command headquarters in Hawaii. “Anti-ship cruise missiles could knock out U.S. carriers and warships; surface-to-air missiles could destroy our fighters and bombers.” 

Lyle Goldstein, U.S. Naval War College: “My appraisal is that Taiwan would fold in a week or two.”
U.S. Naval War College

China would have its own challenges. At the same time as it worked to keep the U.S. out of the battle zone it would have to address the trickier and riskier part of the operation: getting an invasion force, consisting of tens of thousands of troops, across the 90 miles separating Taiwan from the Mainland.
“They are giving off a lot of signals about how this campaign would unfold,” Lyle J. Goldstein, a China and Russia specialist at the Naval War College in Rhode Island, told RCI. “They're talking a lot about airborne assault in two varieties, by parachute and by helicopters. It's what's called vertical envelopment. Amphibious assault is old school. It may be necessary but it's not the main military effort.  The new school is to bring lead elements over by air, secure the terrain and then bring in more forces over the beach. The intensity and scale of training in the Chinese military now for airborne assault is, to me, shocking.
“There would be 15, maybe 20 different landings on the island, east, west, north, and south, all at once, some frogmen, some purely airborne troops,” Goldstein continued, saying he was expressing his own views, not official assessments of the U.S. “The Chinese high command would watch these bridgeheads to see which of them is working, while the Taiwan command is looking at this amid decapitation attempts and massive rocket and air assaults. The Chinese would seize several beachheads and airports.  Their engineering prowess would come into play in deploying specialized floating dock apparatuses to ensure a steady flow of supplies and reinforcements—a key element. My appraisal is that Taiwan would fold in a week or two.”
In short, China's strategy would be to get an invasion fleet across the Taiwan Strait before the U.S. could come to its ally’s aid. “And once that happens we'd face an Iwo Jima situation,” Ochmanek said, referring to the small Japanese-held island in the Pacific that the U.S took in one of the most casualty-heavy battles of World War II. “Once Taiwan was occupied, the option of retaking it with an amphibious assault of our own would be very unattractive.”

Taiwan's military fired missiles from the air and the island's shore facing China in a live-fire exercise to demonstrate its ability to defend against any Chinese invasion.
(AP Photo/Chiang Ying-ying)

Goldstein has likened an American commitment to defend Taiwan, of the sort that would be required by the proposed Taiwan Defense Act, to be a kind of Cuban Missile Crisis in reverse, a reference to the 1962 confrontation between the U.S. and the Soviet Union, which ended when the Soviets backed away from its effort to put nuclear missiles on the island just 90 miles from Florida.
The overwhelming American advantage on Cuba then mirrors what Goldstein sees as an overwhelming Chinese advantage on Taiwan today – “vast conventional superiority” in a region of the world far closer to it than to the U.S., combined with “the wide recognition that the island's fate is a 'core interest' that united Chinese citizens behind the cause.”
China also seems aware of the comparison. A typical statement earlier this month in Global Times, the nationalist mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party, put it this way: “The Mainland has many cards, including military cards, and it is very important that our will to play those cards at critical moments will be far better than Washington's.”
Other experts, however, believe that the situation is not quite as bleak as the war games would indicate, or at least that it can be remedied. They argue: 1) that the American deterrent even now is still strong enough to make China very hesitant to use force on Taiwan, and 2) that the U.S. can and should adapt to China's capacity with new weapons and new tactics that would enable the country to prevail if it did come to an armed confrontation.
According to most analysts, the key to defending Taiwan would require stopping China’s ability to transport a large occupying force the 90 miles across the Taiwan Strait. Chinese military publications are full of pictures of what such an assault would look like – hundreds of amphibious tanks landing on Taiwan's beaches, troops arriving on new landing craft called 075 units (now being built), and thousands of troops parachuting into the country at night. They have also been heralding the use of helicopters flying below Taiwan's radar to land advance troops.

American long-range anti-ship missiles, LRASMs, can be fired from ships as far as 600 miles away. Turning back invading Chinese in this way "comes down to sinking about 300 Chinese ships in about 48 hours,” Ochmanek said.
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Some analysts say that the U.S. could counter that threat by shifting from a reliance on aircraft carriers and long-range bombers to weapons such as stand-off missiles – that is, missiles fired from beyond the range of any Chinese attack, especially a new generation of long-range anti-ship missiles, or LRASMs, that can be fired from ships as far as 600 miles away.
A second component of a Taiwan defense would be space-based reconnaissance using artificial intelligence to locate enemy targets, which the LRASMs would hit; a third would be an American version of flooding the zone, with unmanned undersea drones that could fire torpedoes at Chinese landing craft.
“All of these things are doable,” Ochmanek said. “There's no magic here, no technological breakthroughs.” He estimates that the Defense Department could make the needed changes if it diverted about 5 percent of its budget— about $35 billion -- a year.  Taiwan, he said, also needs to move away from the glamorous, showy weapons, like F-16 fighter planes, that it buys from the United States. “The F-16s are not going to get off the ground once the war starts,” Ochmanek said. “They need anti-ship cruise missiles, sea mines, mobile artillery, mobile air defenses, unmanned aerial vehicles.
“It comes down to sinking about 300 Chinese ships in about 48 hours,” he said.
Analysts believe Taiwan could spend more on defense than it does – currently about $13 billion a year, which is a small fraction of the estimated $225 billion to $260 billion that the mainland spends. But, they say, it already possesses sea mines and coastal missile defenses that could take a heavy toll on a Chinese invading force – assuming they aren't wiped out in an initial Chinese missile attack. It could shoot down helicopters with Stinger missiles, which the U.S. has agreed to sell Taiwan.

Taiwanese forces could shoot down Chinese helicopters with Stinger missiles, which the U.S. has agreed to provide. 
AP Photo/Vadim Ghirda

“What both sides can do is turn the sea and air space around Taiwan into a no-go zone,” Heath said. “China could do that, but we could make it very hard for any surface ship to survive near Taiwan, including Chinese transport vessels loaded with troops. That alone might stop an invasion.”
And if it doesn't? China would face the risk of a larger war with the United States, which might involve nuclear weapons and an outcome Beijing could not guarantee. “The biggest threat to China is that a regional anti-China coalition forms,” Heath said. “And so if the United States can succeed in building its alliances in Asia, that would be a powerful deterrent, because China can't afford to go to war with Asia.” 
Others, like Goldstein, fully agree that China would be reluctant to go to war, but they argue also that if war should happen, it's unrealistic — indeed, Goldstein says it’s dangerously self-deluding – to think that the combined forces of Taiwan and the U.S. would prevail.  
"I don't agree that all we'd have to do is sink 300 ships,” he said. “Chinese war planners would expect to lose a thousand ships. They would put 10,000 boats, ferries, barges and fishing craft into the water, with thousands of decoys, far more than there would be LRASMs or submarines to sink them.”

I would say this is one conflict I would not want to be a participant in. However if a strong military coalition with India, Vietnam and other countries effected by the 9 dash line would commit to Taiwan's defense then China would be fighting on several fronts. Still no guarantee of Taiwan's survival as China has enough missiles and arty to put whatever on just about every square yard on Taiwan's land area......Not good...

[NightskyeB4Dawn]

I would say this is one conflict I would not want to be a participant in. However if a strong military coalition with India, Vietnam and other countries effected by the 9 dash line would commit to Taiwan's defense then China would be fighting on several fronts. Still no guarantee of Taiwan's survival as China has enough missiles and arty to put whatever on just about every square yard on Taiwan's land area......Not good...

I am no scholar of war, so I don't know how the game is played, but it seems that China is spreading itself a bit thin. I don't see how it can hold on to all of its territories, unless they have a lot of trusted allies.

Of course, I could be wrong.

[727Sky]

I would say this is one conflict I would not want to be a participant in. However if a strong military coalition with India, Vietnam and other countries effected by the 9 dash line would commit to Taiwan's defense then China would be fighting on several fronts. Still no guarantee of Taiwan's survival as China has enough missiles and arty to put whatever on just about every square yard on Taiwan's land area......Not good...

I am no scholar of war, so I don't know how the game is played, but it seems that China is spreading itself a bit thin. I don't see how it can hold on to all of its territories, unless they have a lot of trusted allies.

Of course, I could be wrong.

Some are saying there is political infighting going on in China... If that is the case... expect purges a trumped up charges against whoever goes against the Big commie in charge.. There is also a movement to turn inward and revitalize the CCP with another cultural type revolution.. I hope for the people that crap does not go down.

With all the flooding, crop losses, the price of some food staples going up X-3 and the political uncertainty this is a dangerous time in China IMO. Nothing like a real shooting war to stir the patriot bile in the population.

If China continues to be isolated by much of the world I could see them turning inward and rearranging the deck chairs or going gang busters to start something only an idiot would want to see..

[NightskyeB4Dawn]

Some are saying there is political infighting going on in China... If that is the case... expect purges a trumped up charges against whoever goes against the Big commie in charge.. There is also a movement to turn inward and revitalize the CCP with another cultural type revolution.. I hope for the people that crap does not go down.

With all the flooding, crop losses, the price of some food staples going up X-3 and the political uncertainty this is a dangerous time in China IMO. Nothing like a real shooting war to stir the patriot bile in the population.

If China continues to be isolated by much of the world I could see them turning inward and rearranging the deck chairs or going gang busters to start something only an idiot would want to see..

There seems to be unrest among the Plebes around the world. Here, there, and everywhere.

I think the people are waking up, unfortunately they have no real leadership and end up latching on to the ones that are just as bad or worse than the ones they want to reject.

That is how they keep us enslaved. When they see we are willing and eager to fight back, they throw in a cowbird egg or two, throw in a lot of distractions, and turn us against each other.

Belarus comes to mind. Sometimes the timing of all this stuff really pushes my CT buttons.

[F2d5thCav]

@"NightskyeB4Dawn" 

The other thing is that war is a real crap shoot.  What Carl von Clausewitz called "friction" gets involved and plans go to pieces.  What happens after that is often determined by the side with the most skill and initiative.

Cheers

[Snarl]

What happens after that is often determined by the side with the most skill and initiative.

... and logistics ...

Numbers and distance cost us a win during the Korean War ... and ultimately set the stage for perpetual war.

[Schmoe1]

I would say this is one conflict I would not want to be a participant in. However if a strong military coalition with India, Vietnam and other countries effected by the 9 dash line would commit to Taiwan's defense then China would be fighting on several fronts. Still no guarantee of Taiwan's survival as China has enough missiles and arty to put whatever on just about every square yard on Taiwan's land area......Not good...

I am no scholar of war, so I don't know how the game is played, but it seems that China is spreading itself a bit thin. I don't see how it can hold on to all of its territories, unless they have a lot of trusted allies.

Of course, I could be wrong.

I'm no war scholar either, but Rome fell because it was spread thin, too many wars on too many fronts.  Also it relied heavily on slave labor, military overspending, etc.  


If China keeps overreaching, it could become it's doom.  And Chinas people will suffer because of it, not those higher ups.  A friend went to China years ago, said the people were extremely nice to him regardless of the language barrier.  So hopefully it doesn't come to war.

To quote System of a Down: "why don't presidents fight the war?  Why do they always send the poor?"

[NightskyeB4Dawn]

Question.

Will they have the unwavering support they need from the people?

A lot of the strategy of previous wars were based on an uninformed citizenry they could easily convince that they were in imminent danger. With the internet in darn near everyone's hands around the globe, including the jungles and the Amish, that is not as easy a feat.


Though I admit the strategy still works. Just look at how they are trying to convince communities that don't see the images they keep streaming on the media, in their own communities, to believe they are in danger of roving hoards of rioters, coming to take their homes.
 



Thank God a lot of people are not falling for it.

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China would face the risk of a larger war with the United States, which might involve nuclear weapons and an outcome Beijing could not guarantee. “The biggest threat to China is that a regional anti-China coalition forms,” Heath said. “And so if the United States can succeed in building its alliances in Asia, that would be a powerful deterrent, because China can't afford to go to war with Asia.

meanwhile India could wage their own conflict fron the south....
Money in Taiwan could be frozen and worthless, another lost encentive for taking it by China

[guohua]

If you want the Truth, Everything going on in China and around the Globe (sorry flat earthers) this includes the Indian Border is America's Fault, Actually the MSM in China (I listen to) 24/7 blames President Trump and  America's Aggressiveness against China and the Peoples of China, the MSM still reports that the American Military Purposely released COVID-19 in China to turn the World against the Peaceful People of China.

They also report that it is the Americans that arrase the Peaceful Peoples Navy as they try and secure the South China Seas from Pirates and poshers of their Fishing rights.
According to the Peoples Military News, America's Navy has fired upon these Peaceful Fishing Fleets and taken prisoners and tortured the fishermen and They Have Witnesses on TV of the Torture but when the Mighty People's Navy comes they Toss these Fishermen into the sea and Flee from the before the Chinese Navy can engage in combat.

That is being spread all over China. With video of 2 Chinese fighters jets engagement 3 F-35's and shooting down one F-35 and chasing the other Two away and the Chinese Pilots are Cheered and treated as Heros by their Ground Crews.

[727Sky]

If you want the Truth, Everything going on in China and around the Globe (sorry flat earthers) this includes the Indian Border is America's Fault, Actually the MSM in China (I listen to) 24/7 blames President Trump and  America's Aggressiveness against China and the Peoples of China, the MSM still reports that the American Military Purposely released COVID-19 in China to turn the World against the Peaceful People of China.

They also report that it is the Americans that arrase the Peaceful Peoples Navy as they try and secure the South China Seas from Pirates and poshers of their Fishing rights.
According to the Peoples Military News, America's Navy has fired upon these Peaceful Fishing Fleets and taken prisoners and tortured the fishermen and They Have Witnesses on TV of the Torture but when the Mighty People's Navy comes they Toss these Fishermen into the sea and Flee from the before the Chinese Navy can engage in combat.

That is being spread all over China. With video of 2 Chinese fighters jets engagement 3 F-35's and shooting down one F-35 and chasing the other Two away and the Chinese Pilots are Cheered and treated as Heros by their Ground Crews.

Yep some of what you say I was aware of. It is easy to control the crowd if you are the only voice allowed to speak..

I don't know what the future will bring and I doubt there are many true fortune tellers ... I just hope a real shooting war can be avoided as the old saying about WW4 being fought with sticks and stones may have a bit more truth in it that we want to acknowledge..

[NightskyeB4Dawn]

Well, after growing up in a household with ten children +, I can assure you the truth that each tells is their own truth.

It is amazing how viciously we will hold on to a lie when we want so hard to believe, that even when provided the freedom of truth, we would rather drown in the lie.

Governments that are ruled by man are constructed to maintain the government, not the people.

For those that believe the Bible as truth, or those that think it is just as a history book, one thing I think we can agree on, is that it got it right when it warned Israel against the taking of a human king. Everything it warned would happen did. And we haven't learned a darn thing.

If nothing else, the Bible is a lesson in how man continues to repeat himself.

Makes you wonder just how smart any of us really are.

[Schmoe1]

If you want the Truth, Everything going on in China and around the Globe (sorry flat earthers) this includes the Indian Border is America's Fault, Actually the MSM in China (I listen to) 24/7 blames President Trump and  America's Aggressiveness against China and the Peoples of China, the MSM still reports that the American Military Purposely released COVID-19 in China to turn the World against the Peaceful People of China.

They also report that it is the Americans that arrase the Peaceful Peoples Navy as they try and secure the South China Seas from Pirates and poshers of their Fishing rights.
According to the Peoples Military News, America's Navy has fired upon these Peaceful Fishing Fleets and taken prisoners and tortured the fishermen and They Have Witnesses on TV of the Torture but when the Mighty People's Navy comes they Toss these Fishermen into the sea and Flee from the before the Chinese Navy can engage in combat.

That is being spread all over China. With video of 2 Chinese fighters jets engagement 3 F-35's and shooting down one F-35 and chasing the other Two away and the Chinese Pilots are Cheered and treated as Heros by their Ground Crews.

I don't think the US should engage in another war unless there is 100% transparency, and PROOF of aggression.  We invaded Iraq because they had WMDs?  Ok, so when they're rolling in to inspect these weapons, live-stream it to the American people so we can say, yeah, ok, they have weapons that need to go.  I know Hussein was a brutal dictator who needed to go, but are we the world police?

When I was about to graduate high school, I was seriously considering joining the military.  I got to talking to a former Navy SEAL who retired and then worked for the CIA.  I told him about my plans, and this man, as big a patriot as you're likely to meet, told me not to.

He said after what he's seen from the "beltway crowd," how they're willing to grind up young men and women just to make a political point, he was thoroughly disgusted with our government.

[NightskyeB4Dawn]

He said after what he's seen from the "beltway crowd," how they're willing to grind up young men and women just to make a political point, he was thoroughly disgusted with our government.

I  am disgusted with our government as well. I just wish so many people didn't follow it blindly. We can't keep our heads buried in fantasy. We can't keep rejecting what we live and see with our own eyes, for the lies we are drowned in by the media and social media.

I get it. It is impossible to accept an uncomfortable truth, that you do not want to be true. Some lies are just too appealing to reject.