Policy differences between Trump & Biden

[F2d5thCav]

For me, the political situation is not about Trump or Biden.

Screw the personalities.  And screw the political parties.

People should look at the issues they believe are important, and seek out candidates of any stripe who take an acceptable position on those issues.

This is where I have a serious problem with the Democrats these days.  Their party platform either embraces, or, fails to condemn, absurd and destructive policies like "defund the police" or "open the border".

Yeah, on any given issue, there is room for give and take.  But, by committing themselves to the path of "resistance" (vice loyal opposition) in 2016, the Democrats have increasingly given the nod to policy propositions that I believe are so unrealistic as to be completely dysfunctional.

That's not government, and that is not politicking.  That is the knee-jerk response of 1960s radicals trying to burn down the ROTC building on campus, except this time the ROTC building is the functionality of government (oh, that despised authority) at federal, state, and municipal levels.

The Republicans are a problem as well.  And this gets to my bottom line: the political party system in the USA is broken.  That system can no longer produce candidates that are attractive to much of the public.  The parties themselves are beholden to hidden outsiders who pull the strings, including the determination of party platforms, even when those platforms are clearly destructive in their intent.

For those of you who think Trump is the problem, you've missed the real problem.  The real problem is where our dysfunctional political party system goes after Trump's time in office is finished.  And, if you rue the fact that Trump is the President, then you should be pointing your finger at the political party system that made his election possible.  NOT ONE of the career politicians will even hint that the party system is broken.  That alone is a serious issue, because we all know the first step in improving a bad situation is REALIZING a bad situation exists.

So, yeah, my personal feelings about Trump or any other personality are not important.  At this point, I think it is the Republican Party under Trump who have the most realistic platform.  I would much prefer that the two parties could get up to some cooperation and produce bipartisan solutions, but that won't happen in the near future.

Cheers

[Wallfire]

One at the top of the list for me is:

Trump opposes abortion.

Biden thinks it's okay to kill them right after they are born.  SICK!

I'm sure I'll have more later when I'm not so busy.

1.3 percent of abortions performed in the United States in 2015 occurred in or after the 21st week of pregnancy. Abortions after 24 weeks comprise less than one percent of all abortions. When they occur, it is usually because the fetus has been found to have a fatal condition that could not be detected earlier, such as a severe malformation of the brain, or because the mother’s life or health is at serious risk. This is what Roe V. Wade and the SCOTUS consider  "Late Term Abortion" and what Biden supports as well. Not tearing fully fomed fetus from women's wombs. If we are going to have a civil conversation about the OPs subject then facts will matter and hyoerbole going forward is bound to be counterproductive and problematic

The unborn child is human.

The unborn child is living.

These are indisputable facts.

No emotions.
No religions.
No abstract ideology.

Abortion is the ending the existence of a living human at the discretion of the mother.

This is nothing but facts.

Not truths, not interpretations.

Facts.

I respectfully disagree. I personally believe that every woman has the right to terminate her pregnancy in the first trimester. So consequently, Bidens supoort of a womans right to choose is obviously not a deal breaker for me nor is it for many others. This is a Nation of the Secular and the Religious. We need space and compromise for both to exist. Because without that compromise there will be no world worth living in for any of us. Regarding abortion, if you disagree, don't have one. If you believe in God, most dogma states that vengeance belongs to that god, so it will all be taken care of in the end. Everyone would be much better off if we just kept our own houses in order.

Thing is abortion has been weaponized, and the only reason for that is to select parts of it that can be used in a fight. I believe all women have the right to an abortion as is said above. However abortion should never be used as a means of contraception, and some of the things I have read were extremists want the right to abort a child two weeks after birth are just sick

[beez]

Just to edge away from abortion specifically for the moment. . . . 

I like to deal in facts.

The sun rises in the East.
Water is wet.

Facts are indisputable.  

A fact we have, and that everyone can agree on is that our government is corrupt.  It is bloated, redundant, inefficient.

So why does anyone want to vote for a party or individual who will grow the size and scope of government?

[Mystic Wanderer]

I'm going to say this, then I'm stepping out of this thread. My view on things seem to ruffle too many feathers.

Trump has delivered on every promise he made and then some he didn't make. I don't know of another POTUS who has done this during my adult life. He would have done more if the democrats and rinos hadn't blocked him. If we can win back the House this round, I think we'll see great things for our country in the near future.

Biden was in office for 8 years as VP. If he knew how to save the country, why did he not share it with Obummer? The only thing he and Obummer did was sell our country out to Ukraine, Iran, and China. It will continue if he is elected. Our jobs will go back overseas, our economy will sink into a depression, and in the end, communism will take over.

Also, I see Biden as a placeholder for Kamala Harris to take over right after he steps down due to "health reasons". He already said he wanted his VP to be ready to take over on day one. Talk about a puppet! That's why "they" picked her.

I looked at the policies that each man supports, but everything I see seems to be worded in favor of Biden regarding the numbers that show support. I don't trust the bias google searches, so I'm not relying on them. In the end, it doesn't matter what Biden says he'll do, it's what Kamala will do. She is the biggest supporter for Socialism out there. I don't want our country to turn Socialist.

I'm out.

[Snarl]

For me, the political situation is not about Trump or Biden.

Screw the personalities.  And screw the political parties.

People should look at the issues they believe are important, and seek out candidates of any stripe who take an acceptable position on those issues.

This is where I have a serious problem with the Democrats these days.  Their party platform either embraces, or, fails to condemn, absurd and destructive policies like "defund the police" or "open the border".

Yeah, on any given issue, there is room for give and take.  But, by committing themselves to the path of "resistance" (vice loyal opposition) in 2016, the Democrats have increasingly given the nod to policy propositions that I believe are so unrealistic as to be completely dysfunctional.

That's not government, and that is not politicking.  That is the knee-jerk response of 1960s radicals trying to burn down the ROTC building on campus, except this time the ROTC building is the functionality of government (oh, that despised authority) at federal, state, and municipal levels.

The Republicans are a problem as well.  And this gets to my bottom line: the political party system in the USA is broken.  That system can no longer produce candidates that are attractive to much of the public.  The parties themselves are beholden to hidden outsiders who pull the strings, including the determination of party platforms, even when those platforms are clearly destructive in their intent.

For those of you who think Trump is the problem, you've missed the real problem.  The real problem is where our dysfunctional political party system goes after Trump's time in office is finished.  And, if you rue the fact that Trump is the President, then you should be pointing your finger at the political party system that made his election possible.  NOT ONE of the career politicians will even hint that the party system is broken.  That alone is a serious issue, because we all know the first step in improving a bad situation is REALIZING a bad situation exists.

So, yeah, my personal feelings about Trump or any other personality are not important.  At this point, I think it is the Republican Party under Trump who have the most realistic platform.  I would much prefer that the two parties could get up to some cooperation and produce bipartisan solutions, but that won't happen in the near future.

I don't normally quote someone's entire post ... can't help it this time.

The detestable thing about our political party system ... is that the Political Party can't kick someone out ... anymore than they can keep someone out.  And ... that's how we wound up with a 'third party candidate' as POTUS (which is absolutely fine with me).

A two-party system is a typical end-state.  An inflexible party winds up with diminishing interest over time and fades.  Unfortunately, with people given an option of just picking their party candidates and walking away from the polling booth, you can't get away from crappy 'winners'.  What would work better would be hiding party affiliation from everyone at the polling booth.  And then ... if one doesn't get enough of a percentage of the vote ... then that office (along with all of the employees who work in that office) goes unfunded and gets shuttered until the next election.

What the American Political system suffers from is an inability for a new party to get legs under it (remember the way the Tea Party was 'handled' by 0bama's IRS?).  They'd come out of the woodwork if the last sentence of my previous paragraph became reality.

Another major problem we have is Senate Confirmation.  Let the damned People vote independently.  We don't need super influential positions filled based on personal affiliations with the President or which of the two political parties holds majority.  We should be voting for a SecDef ... and if the President fires him ... ensure that action creates a wake of devastation ... like all commissioned officers are immediately fired as well.  That would sure shake some shit up.

Sorry for ranting in your thread @"beez":

I don't think Biden's policies are gonna matter.  The dude's on Death's doorstep (and President Trump might be as well).

President Trump's 2d-term policies are known only to him.  And, that scares me a little.

[Snarl]

I'm going to say this, then I'm stepping out of this thread. My view on things seem to ruffle too many feathers.

I'm out.

Pfffffttt ... Your opinions are as important as anyone else's.  Please keep on keeping on.

[Mystic Wanderer]

I'm going to say this, then I'm stepping out of this thread. My view on things seem to ruffle too many feathers.

I'm out.

Pfffffttt ... Your opinions are as important as anyone else's.  Please keep on keeping on.

Okay, in that case I'll let this video speak for me. Actions DO speak louder than words. Click on the picture to play.

[Snarl]

I'm going to say this, then I'm stepping out of this thread. My view on things seem to ruffle too many feathers.

I'm out.

Pfffffttt ... Your opinions are as important as anyone else's.  Please keep on keeping on.

Okay, in that case I'll let this video speak for me. Actions DO speak louder than words. Click on the picture to play.

Good Ol' Tuck ... He really offended me when he was making his debut, and I said to myself, "Never trust that man."

What happens in Portland ...

I went up to Looterville when the NFAC made their appearance.  Was ready to kill as many of 'em as I could shoot rounds into.  Now, in hindsight, I'd rather the city burn.  Looterville has never given anything to me.  If it burnt to the ground my taxes would likely drop.  I'd neither gain nor lose a thing.

One thing ol' Tuck said in his monologue: the cops are afraid of the mob.  These days ... everyone's wearing a mask.

[NightskyeB4Dawn]

Okay, in that case I'll let this video speak for me. Actions DO speak louder than words. Click on the picture to play.  

The video didn't show up. I was able to pull this from the post when I made this reply.


I am not sure which video you are using to speak for you. I listened to the beginning of the last video, but to be honest, I can't stand Tucker Carlson.

He brings back memories of my childhood, when I used to have to listen to the pastor in the church, talking to us like we were freaking idiots, and if you dare not believe a word he was saying, then you were damned to Hell.

If he really has something of merit to say, I guess I will miss it, because I don't like being talked down to. I see him as no different than the people he ostracizes. But that is just my problem, and while Snarl is right, that we all the right to our opinions, and all of what with feel and say are equally valid, sometimes folks just don't want to hear it.

I can deal with that. I have close friends and family members that I love dearly, but we don't see eye to eye on many things. When it comes to religion and politics we have an unwritten rule, "When the conversation stops being a conversation, then it is time for it to end." It is dropped, and we move on to another topic, or we watch a movie, or play Rummikub.  .

Should I pull out the tiles.  I have a brand new bottle of Cooper and Thief, just looking for a reason to open it. Should I pour us a glass while we set up?

[NightskyeB4Dawn]

Okay, in that case I'll let this video speak for me. Actions DO speak louder than words. Click on the picture to play.  

Addendum:
The video plays now. It was not the one that showed up on Facebook that I couldn't get through before.  I tried to watch this one, out of respect, but I couldn't get past the first 60 seconds.

This man has to either be the most disingenuous person alive, or he knows nothing about the American history he is espousing.

If he thought America was so welcoming to everyone, regardless of the race, country of origin, or color, he has deliberately not looked at the history of those of color, or was anything but European. Of course he also conveniently left out the Native Americans. He should have spent some time talking to some of of my friends and relatives on the reservation.

We have video now to be used to push any agenda, but there was no video the media would dare show when people had picnics and hung people of color as entertainment, or when they were hunted down for sport, and would not survive being caught out after sunset in some areas.

I am not justifying criminal evil behavior from anyone, at any time, for any reason. I am not taking about two rights making a wrong. I am talking about a man that pushes lies and distortions to support his agenda.

I am pouring us those glasses of wine now, and I am taking a break from this thread for a while.

[gordi]

The latest Trump Interview sums this all up for me.
Insightful, forthright and honest... Reminds me of FROST NIXON on some levels.



G

[gordi]

And just to even things up...
Joe smacks it out of the park here.

[xuenchen]

We know Trump's policies and forward thinking.

Whatever Biden says and whatever any Democrat says about "policy" is 99% bullshit.

They are cleverly claiming Biden doesn't support police defunding even though he said so in slightly different words.

They are claiming Biden and Harris are not radicals and are moderates.

Horseshit.

99% of Democrats that get elected to any office usually go to the "extreme" side soon after election.

Some are even bold enough to take the radical stance ahead of time (like AOC, Rashida Tlaib, Bernie, etc.)

Be very careful trusting any Democrat or suspected RINO 

[Moonmagic]

I'm going to say this, then I'm stepping out of this thread. My view on things seem to ruffle too many feathers.

I'm out.

Pfffffttt ... Your opinions are as important as anyone else's.  Please keep on keeping on.

I gotta echo this! Every opinion is just as important as the next! Doesn't matter wether we agree or disagree.

You know I love ya @"Mystic Wanderer" ... just keep being you, you have some fucking great threads on here!!!

[Mystic Wanderer]

I'm going to say this, then I'm stepping out of this thread. My view on things seem to ruffle too many feathers.

I'm out.

Pfffffttt ... Your opinions are as important as anyone else's.  Please keep on keeping on.

I gotta echo this! Every opinion is just as important as the next! Doesn't matter wether we agree or disagree.

You know I love ya @"Mystic Wanderer" ... just keep being you, you have some fucking great threads on here!!!

Thank you @"Moonmagic" and @"Snarl".  I appreciate that, but I've already said all I need to say on this topic.

[Tarzan the apeman.]

I am at the point where I wonder why it is every election the parties are always trying to fix the same problems we have had forever, and they always try to fix it with taxpayers' hard-earned money. Get off my back.

[F2d5thCav]

@"Snarl"

 Looterville has never given anything to me.  If it burnt to the ground my taxes would likely drop.  I'd neither gain nor lose a thing.

That is absolutely correct.

Let us all recall that L-Ville has at least four layers of police to protect it:

1. Municipal
2. County
3. State
4. State National Guard

Mayor and governor have PLENTY of resources to assure law and order in the city.  If they choose to do nothing and parts of the city burn, then the people of city should seek other leadership for their city and their state.

Anyone from the outside trying to intervene as individuals will only make targets of themselves.

Cheers

[Snarl]

Be very careful trusting any Democrat or suspected RINO 

Know what my only problem is with Trump?  In my eyes ... he IS a Democrat.

[PLOTUS]

I'm going to say this, then I'm stepping out of this thread. My view on things seem to ruffle too many feathers.

I'm out.

Pfffffttt ... Your opinions are as important as anyone else's.  Please keep on keeping on.

And I'll second that.

[MarioOnTheFly]

beez

I agree. That is why I have no expectations of either candidate. I know both have their own agendas and they will do only what they are directed to do.

Those in power, control both sides of the aisle, it is just a game for them, a game where we provide the entertainment. 

Yes, it goes back a longs ways, and we never learn. Whether it is thumbs up, thumbs down, a trip to lion's den or "give us Barabas", they rule and we entertain.

I have to say guys..I'm a bit weirded out by you equating the two candidates. While you dont have to like Trump, if anything is made clear in these 4 years, is that Trump is fighting the establishment as much as possible. I include GOP in that establishment too. He's been attacked, derided, ridiculed, conspired against, and all he's trying to do is to deliver on the promises that got him elected. The other candidate is...well...getting a free pass and promoted by the same establishment, despite awful record, despite being obviously mentally ill.

I have a question. Since you stated it...what is Trump's agenda ?