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(06-04-2016, 08:26 PM)Armonica_Templar Wrote: The Aspiring Novelist Who Became Obama’s Foreign-Policy Guru

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In the narrative that Rhodes shaped, the “story” of the Iran deal began in 2013, when a “moderate” faction inside the Iranian regime led by Hassan Rouhani beat regime “hard-liners” in an election and then began to pursue a policy of “openness,” which included a newfound willingness to negotiate the dismantling of its illicit nuclear-weapons program. The president set out the timeline himself in his speech announcing the nuclear deal on July 14, 2015: “Today, after two years of negotiations, the United States, together with our international partners, has achieved something that decades of animosity has not.” While the president’s statement was technically accurate — there had in fact been two years of formal negotiations leading up to the signing of the J.C.P.O.A. — it was also actively misleading, because the most meaningful part of the negotiations with Iran had begun in mid-2012, many months before Rouhani and the “moderate” camp were chosen in an election among candidates handpicked by Iran’s supreme leader, the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. The idea that there was a new reality in Iran was politically useful to the Obama administration. By obtaining broad public currency for the thought that there was a significant split in the regime, and that the administration was reaching out to moderate-minded Iranians who wanted peaceful relations with their neighbors and with America, Obama was able to evade what might have otherwise been a divisive but clarifying debate over the actual policy choices that his administration was making. By eliminating the fuss about Iran’s nuclear program, the administration hoped to eliminate a source of structural tension between the two countries, which would create the space for America to disentangle itself from its established system of alliances with countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel and Turkey. With one bold move, the administration would effectively begin the process of a large-scale disengagement from the Middle East.



The nerve center for the selling of the Iran deal to Congress, which took place in a concentrated three-month period between July and September of last year, was located inside the White House, and is referred to by its former denizens as “the war room.” Chad Kreikemeier, a Nebraskan who had worked in the White House Office of Legislative Affairs, helped run the team, which included three to six people from each of several agencies, he says, which were the State Department, Treasury, the American delegation to the United Nations (i.e., Samantha Power), “at times D.O.D.” (the Department of Defense) and also the Department of Energy and the National Security Council. Rhodes “was kind of like the quarterback,” running the daily video conferences and coming up with lines of attack and parry. “He was extremely good about immediately getting to a phrase or a way of getting the message out that just made more sense,” Kreikemeier remembers. Framing the deal as a choice between peace and war was Rhodes’s go-to move — and proved to be a winning argument.


The person whom Kreikemeier credits with running the digital side of the campaign was Tanya Somanader, 31, the director of digital response for the White House Office of Digital Strategy, who became known in the war room and on Twitter as @TheIranDeal. Early on, Rhodes asked her to create a rapid-response account that fact-checked everything related to the Iran deal. “So, we developed a plan that was like: The Iran deal is literally going to be the tip of everything that we stand up online,” Somanader says. “And we’re going to map it onto what we know about the different audiences we’re dealing with: the public, pundits, experts, the right wing, Congress.” By applying 21st-century data and networking tools to the white-glove world of foreign affairs, the White House was able to track what United States senators and the people who worked for them, and influenced them, were seeing online — and make sure that no potential negative comment passed without a tweet.


As she explained how the process worked, I was struck by how naïve the assumption of a “state of nature” must seem in an information environment that is mediated less and less by experienced editors and reporters with any real prior knowledge of the subjects they write about. “People construct their own sense of source and credibility now,” she said. “They elect who they’re going to believe.” For those in need of more traditional-seeming forms of validation, handpicked Beltway insiders like Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic and Laura Rozen of Al-Monitor helped retail the administration’s narrative. “Laura Rozen was my RSS feed,” Somanader offered. “She would just find everything and retweet it.”


Rhodes’s messaging campaign was so effective not simply because it was a perfectly planned and executed example of digital strategy, but also because he was personally involved in guiding the deal itself. In July 2012, Jake Sullivan, a close aide to Hillary Clinton, traveled to Muscat, Oman, for the first meeting with the Iranians, taking a message from the White House. “It was, ‘We’re prepared to open a direct channel to resolve the nuclear agreement if you are prepared to do the same thing and authorize it at the highest levels and engage in a serious discussion on these issues,’ ” Sullivan remembers. “Once that was agreed to, it was quickly decided that we resolve the nuclear agreement in two steps, the interim agreement and the final agreement.” Subsequent meetings with the Iranians followed, during which he was joined by Deputy Secretary of State Bill Burns. “Bill and I had a huge amount of license to explore what the terms would look like, within the negotiating parameters,” Sullivan says. “What the precise trade-offs would be, between forms of sanctions relief and forms of restraints on their programs, that was left to us to feel out.”


The fact that the president largely let his surrogates do the talking and the selling of the Iran deal — and even now, rarely talks about it in public — does not reflect his level of direct engagement. Sullivan and Burns spent hours before and after every session in Oman with the president and his closest advisers in the White House. When the president wasn’t present, Rhodes always was. “Ben and I, in particular, the two of us, spent a lot of time thinking through all the angles,” Sullivan says. “We spent three, four, five hours together in Washington talking things through before the meetings.” In March 2013, a full three months before the elections that elevated Hassan Rouhani to the office of president, Sullivan and Burns finalized their proposal for an interim agreement, which became the basis for the J.C.P.O.A.


The White House point person during the later stage of the negotiations was Rob Malley, a favored troubleshooter who is currently running negotiations that could keep the Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad in power. During the course of the Iran talks, Malley told me, he always kept in close contact with Rhodes. “I would often just call him and say, ‘Give me a reality check,’ ” Malley explained. “He could say, ‘Here is where I think the president is, and here is where I think he will be.’ ” He continued, “Ben would try to anticipate: Does it make sense policywise? But then he would also ask himself: How do we sell it to Congress? How do we sell it to the public? What is it going to do to our narrative?”


Malley is a particularly keen observer of the changing art of political communication; his father, Simon Malley, who was born in Cairo, edited the politics magazine Afrique Asie and proudly provided a platform for Fidel Castro and Yasir Arafat, in the days when the leaders’ words might take weeks to travel from Cuba or Cairo to Paris. “The Iran experience was the place where I saw firsthand how policy, politics and messaging all had to be brought together, and I think that Ben is really at the intersection of all three,” Malley says. “He reflects and he shapes at the same time.”


As Malley and representatives of the State Department, including Wendy Sherman and Secretary of State John Kerry, engaged in formal negotiations with the Iranians, to ratify details of a framework that had already been agreed upon, Rhodes’s war room did its work on Capitol Hill and with reporters. In the spring of last year, legions of arms-control experts began popping up at think tanks and on social media, and then became key sources for hundreds of often-clueless reporters. “We created an echo chamber,” he admitted, when I asked him to explain the onslaught of freshly minted experts cheerleading for the deal. “They were saying things that validated what we had given them to say.”


When I suggested that all this dark metafictional play seemed a bit removed from rational debate over America’s future role in the world, Rhodes nodded. “In the absence of rational discourse, we are going to discourse the [expletive] out of this,” he said. “We had test drives to know who was going to be able to carry our message effectively, and how to use outside groups like Ploughshares, the Iran Project and whomever else. So we knew the tactics that worked.” He is proud of the way he sold the Iran deal. “We drove them crazy,” he said of the deal’s opponents.


Yet Rhodes bridled at the suggestion that there has been anything deceptive about the way that the agreement itself was sold. “Look, with Iran, in a weird way, these are state-to-state issues. They’re agreements between governments. Yes, I would prefer that it turns out that Rouhani and Zarif” — Mohammad Javad Zarif, Iran’s foreign minister — “are real reformers who are going to be steering this country into the direction that I believe it can go in, because their public is educated and, in some respects, pro-American. But we are not betting on that.”


In fact, Rhodes’s passion seems to derive not from any investment in the technical specifics of sanctions or centrifuge arrays, or any particular optimism about the future course of Iranian politics and society. Those are matters for the negotiators and area specialists. Rather, it derived from his own sense of the urgency of radically reorienting American policy in the Middle East in order to make the prospect of American involvement in the region’s future wars a lot less likely. When I asked whether the prospect of this same kind of far-reaching spin campaign being run by a different administration is something that scares him, he admitted that it does. “I mean, I’d prefer a sober, reasoned public debate, after which members of Congress reflect and take a vote,” he said, shrugging. “But that’s impossible.”


Getting Rhodes to
 speak directly about the man whose gestalt he channels is a bit like asking someone to look into a mirror while describing someone else’s face. The Obama he talks about in public is, in part, a character that he has helped to create — based on a real person, of course — and is embedded in story lines that he personally constructs and manages. At the same time, he believes very deeply in Obama, the man and the president, and in the policies that he has helped to structure and sell on his behalf.


Obama’s particular revulsion against a certain kind of global power politics is a product, Rhodes suggests, of his having been raised in Southeast Asia. “Indonesia was a place where your interaction at that time with power was very intimate, right?” Rhodes asks. “Tens or hundreds of thousands of people had just been killed. Power was not some abstract thing,” he muses. “When we sit in Washington and debate foreign policy, it’s like a Risk game, or it’s all about us, or the human beings disappear from the decisions. But he lived in a place where he was surrounded by people who had either perpetrated those acts — and by the way, may not have felt great about that — or else knew someone who was a victim. I don’t think there’s ever been an American president who had an experience like that at a young age of what power is.”


The parts of Obama’s foreign policy that disturb some of his friends on the left, like drone strikes, Rhodes says, are a result of Obama’s particular kind of globalism, which understands the hard and at times absolute necessity of killing. Yet, at the same time, they are also ways of avoiding more deadly uses of force — a kind of low-body-count spin move.

‘We created an echo chamber,’ he admitted, when I asked him to explain the onslaught of freshly minted experts cheerleading for the deal. ‘They were saying things that validated what we had given them to say.’



He leans back and opens a drawer in the file cabinet behind his desk, and removes a folder. “I was going to show you something,” he says, removing a sheaf of yellow legal paper covered in longhand. “Just to confirm for you that he really is a writer.” He shows me the president’s copy of his Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech, a revision of an original draft by Favreau and Rhodes whose defining tension was accepting a prize awarded before he had actually accomplished anything. In his longhand notes, Obama relocated the speech’s tension in the fact that he was accepting a peace prize a week after ordering 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan. King and Gandhi were the author’s heroes, yet he couldn’t act as they did, because he runs a state. The reason that the author had to exercise power was because not everyone in the world is rational.
We sit for a while, and I examine the president’s thoughts unfolding on the page, and the lawyerly, abstract nature of his writing process. “Moral imagination, spheres of identity, but also move beyond cheap lazy pronouncements,” one note reads. Here was the new American self — rational, moral, not self-indulgent. No longer one thing but multiple overlapping spheres or circles. Who is described here? As usual, the author is describing himself.

Valerie Jarrett has been called the president’s work wife and is the only member of the West Wing staff who knew Obama before he began contemplating a run for the presidency. What I want to understand better, I tell her, are the swirls of the president’s emotional fingerprint, which I saw in the longhand draft of his Nobel speech. We talk for a while about being American and at the same time being from somewhere else, and the split-screen experience of reality that experience allows. 

Jarrett was born in Iran and spent her early childhood there.


“Was it a point of connection between you and the president that you had each spent some substantial part of your childhoods living in another country?” I ask. Her face lights up.


“Absolutely,” she answers. The question is important to her. “The first conversation we had over dinner, when we first met, was about what it was like for both of us to live in countries that were predominantly Muslim countries at formative parts of our childhood and the perspective it gave us about the United States and how uniquely excellent it is,” she says. “We talked about what it was like to be children, and how we played with children who had totally different backgrounds than our own but you would find something in common.” She recalls her very first dinner together with the new fiancé of her protégée Michelle Robinson. “I remember him asking me questions that I felt like no one else has ever asked me before,” she says, “and he asked me from a perspective of someone who knew the same experience that I had. So it felt really good. I was like, ‘Oh, finally someone who gets it.’ ”


Barack Obama is 
not a standard-issue liberal Democrat. He openly shares Rhodes’s contempt for the groupthink of the American foreign-policy establishment and its hangers-on in the press. Yet one problem with the new script that Obama and Rhodes have written is that the Blob may have finally caught on.


“He is a brilliant guy, but he has a real problem with what I call the assignment of bad faith,” one former senior official told me of the president. “He regards everyone on the other side at this point as being a bunch of bloodthirsty know-nothings from a different era who play by the old book. He hears arguments like, ‘We should be punching Iran in the nose on its shipments of arms, and do it publicly,’ or ‘We should sanction the crap out of them for their ballistic-missile test and tell them that if they do it again we’re going to do this or we’re going to do that,’ and he hears Dick Cheney in those arguments.”


Another official I spoke to put the same point more succinctly: “Clearly the world has disappointed him.” When I asked whether he believed that the Oval Office debate over Syria policy in 2012 — resulting in a decision not to support the uprising against Assad in any meaningful way — had been an honest and open one, he said that he had believed that it was, but has since changed his mind. “Instead of adjusting his policies to the reality, and adjusting his perception of reality to the changing realities on the ground, the conclusions he draws are exactly the same, no matter what the costs have been to our strategic interests,” he says. “In an odd way, he reminds me of Bush.” The comparison is a startling one — and yet, questions of tone aside, it is uncomfortably easy to see the similarities between the two men, American presidents who projected their own ideas of the good onto an indifferent world.


One of the few charter members of the Blob willing to speak on the record is Leon Panetta, who was Obama’s head of the C.I.A. and secretary of defense and also enough of a product of a different culture to give honest answers to what he understands to be questions of consequence. At his institute at the old Fort Ord in Seaside, Calif., where, in the days before he wore Mr. Rogers sweaters, he served as a young Army intelligence officer, I ask him about a crucial component of the administration’s public narrative on Iran: whether it was ever a salient feature of the C.I.A.’s analysis when he ran the agency that the Iranian regime was meaningfully divided between “hard-line” and “moderate” camps.


“No,” Panetta answers. “There was not much question that the Quds Force and the supreme leader ran that country with a strong arm, and there was not much question that this kind of opposing view could somehow gain any traction.”


I ask Panetta whether, as head of the C.I.A., or later on, as secretary of defense, he ever saw the letters that Obama covertly sent to Khamenei, in 2009 and in 2012, which were only reported on by the press weeks later.


“No,” he answers, before saying he would “like to believe” that Tom Donilon, national security adviser since 2010, and Hillary Clinton, then secretary of state, had a chance to work on the offer they presented.

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As secretary of defense, he tells me, one of his most important jobs was keeping Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel and his defense minister, Ehud Barak, from launching a pre-emptive attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities. “They were both interested in the answer to the question, ‘Is the president serious?’ ” Panetta recalls. “And you know my view, talking with the president, was: If brought to the point where we had evidence that they’re developing an atomic weapon, I think the president is serious that he is not going to allow that to happen.”

Panetta stops.

“But would you make that same assessment now?” I ask him.


“Would I make that same assessment now?” he asks. “Probably not.”


He understands the president’s pivot toward Iran as the logical result of a deeply held premise about the negative effects of use of American military force on a scale much larger than drone strikes or Special Forces raids. “I think the whole legacy that he was working on was, ‘I’m the guy who’s going to bring these wars to an end, and the last goddamn thing I need is to start another war,’ ” he explains of Obama. “If you ratchet up sanctions, it could cause a war. If you start opposing their interest in Syria, well, that could start a war, too.”


In Panetta’s telling, his own experience at the Pentagon under Obama sometimes resembled being installed in the driver’s seat of a car and finding that the steering wheel and brakes had been disconnected from the engine. Obama and his aides used political elders like him, Robert Gates and Hillary Clinton as cover to end the Iraq war, and then decided to steer their own course, he suggests. While Panetta pointedly never mentions Rhodes’s name, it is clear whom he is talking about.


“There were staff people who put themselves in a position where they kind of assumed where the president’s head was on a particular issue, and they thought their job was not to go through this open process of having people present all these different options, but to try to force the process to where they thought the president wanted to be,” he says. “They’d say, ‘Well, this is where we want you to come out.’ And I’d say ‘[expletive], that’s not the way it works. We’ll present a plan, and then the president can make a decision.’ I mean, Jesus Christ, it is the president of the United States, you’re making some big decisions here, he ought to be entitled to hear all of those viewpoints and not to be driven down a certain path.”


But that can’t be true, I tell Panetta, because the aides he is talking about had no independent power aside from the authority that the president himself gave them.


“Well, that’s a good question,” Panetta allows. “He’s a smart guy, he’s not dumb.” It’s all part of the Washington blame game. Just as Panetta can blame young aides in order to avoid blaming the president for his actual choices, the president used his aides to tell Panetta to take a hike. Perhaps the president and his aides were continually unable to predict the consequences of their actions in Syria, and made mistake after mistake, while imagining that it was going to come out right the next time. 

“Another read, which isn’t necessarily opposed to that,” I continue, “is that their actual picture is entirely coherent. But if they put it in blunt, unnuanced terms — ”


Panetta completes my sentence: “ — they’d get the [expletive] kicked out of them.” He looks at me curiously. “Let me ask you something,” he says. “Did you present this theory to Ben Rhodes?”


“Oh, God,” Rhodes
 says. “The reason the president has bucked a lot of establishment thinking is because he does not agree with establishment thinking. Not because I or Denis McDonough are sitting here.” He pushes back in his chair. “The complete lack of governance in huge swaths of the Middle East, that is the project of the American establishment,” he declares. “That as much as Iraq is what angered me.”


There is something dangerously naïve about this kind of talk, in which words like “balance,” “stakeholders” and “interests” are endlessly reshuffled like word tiles in a magnetic-poetry set, with little regard for the immutable contingencies that shaped America’s role in the world. But that’s hardly fair. Ben Rhodes wanted to do right, and maybe, when the arc of history lands, it will turn out that he did. At least, he tried. Something scared him, and made him feel as if the grown-ups in Washington didn’t know what they were talking about, and it’s hard to argue that he was wrong.


What has interested me most about watching him and his cohort in the White House over the past seven years, I tell him, is the evolution of their ability to get comfortable with tragedy. I am thinking specifically about Syria, I add, where more than 450,000 people have been slaughtered.


“Yeah, I admit very much to that reality,” he says. “There’s a numbing element to Syria in particular. But I will tell you this,” he continues. “I profoundly do not believe that the United States could make things better in Syria by being there. And we have an evidentiary record of what happens when we’re there — nearly a decade in Iraq.”

Iraq is his one-word answer to any and all criticism. I was against the Iraq war from the beginning, I tell Rhodes, so I understand why he perpetually returns to it. I also understand why Obama pulled the plug on America’s engagement with the Middle East, I say, but it was also true as a result that more people are dying there on his watch than died during the Bush presidency, even if very few of them are Americans. What I don’t understand is why, if America is getting out of the Middle East, we are apparently spending so much time and energy trying to strong-arm Syrian rebels into surrendering to the dictator who murdered their families, or why it is so important for Iran to maintain its supply lines to Hezbollah. He mutters something about John Kerry, and then goes off the record, to suggest, in effect, that the world of the Sunni Arabs that the American establishment built has collapsed. The buck stops with the establishment, not with Obama, who was left to clean up their mess.

It is clearly time for me to go. Rhodes walks me out into the sunlight of the West Wing parking lot, where we are treated to the sight of the aged Henry Kissinger, who has come to pay a visit. I ask Rhodes if he has ever met the famous diplomat before, and he tells me about the time they were seated together at a state dinner for the president of China. It was an interesting encounter to imagine, between Kissinger, who made peace with Mao’s China while bombing Laos to bits, and Rhodes, who helped effect a similar diplomatic volte-face with Iran but kept the United States out of a civil war in Syria, which has caused more than four million people to become refugees. I ask Rhodes how it felt being seated next to the embodiment of American realpolitik. “It was surreal,” he says, looking off into the middle distance. “I told him I was going to Laos,” he continues. “He got a weird look in his eye.”


There is nothing snarky about his delivery. Rhodes just was bothered by seeing legless kids and unexploded cluster bombs in the jungle. He is not Henry Kissinger, or so his logic runs, even as the underlying realist suspicion — or contempt — for the idea of America as a moral actor is eerily similar. He is torn. As the president himself once asked, how are we supposed to weigh the tens of thousands who have died in Syria against the tens of thousands who have died in Congo? What power means is that the choice is yours, no matter who is telling the story.


David Samuels last wrote for the magazine about Susan Lindauer, an activist who tried to stop the Iraq war by serving as an intermediary between Saddam Hussein and George W. Bush.

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The US President controlled the outcome of the debate stiffling all free speech..

Rhodes is a traitor and should have known better..

In their honor I decide to start 

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RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 08-15-2017, 06:25 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 08-30-2017, 06:16 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 09-05-2017, 06:50 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 09-05-2017, 07:02 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 09-28-2017, 01:58 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 09-28-2017, 03:11 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 10-10-2017, 06:09 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 10-18-2017, 09:26 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 10-24-2017, 07:48 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 10-24-2017, 07:59 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 11-16-2017, 08:53 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 12-08-2017, 04:06 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 12-13-2017, 09:30 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 12-14-2017, 05:54 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 12-27-2017, 03:11 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 12-28-2017, 11:39 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 12-30-2017, 02:00 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 01-16-2018, 10:25 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 02-02-2018, 06:02 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 02-23-2018, 05:49 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 05-18-2018, 03:14 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 05-18-2018, 03:42 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 05-19-2018, 03:04 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 05-19-2018, 03:23 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 05-25-2018, 09:48 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 05-27-2018, 06:00 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 07-19-2018, 03:40 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Wallfire - 07-19-2018, 05:38 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 08-08-2018, 10:10 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 08-08-2018, 10:19 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 08-11-2018, 04:00 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 08-12-2018, 09:19 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 08-16-2018, 11:04 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Wallfire - 08-17-2018, 01:09 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 08-19-2018, 11:33 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 08-20-2018, 12:10 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 08-31-2018, 07:30 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 08-31-2018, 07:44 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 09-01-2018, 04:22 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 09-25-2018, 09:52 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 09-24-2018, 11:27 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 09-25-2018, 11:34 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 11-13-2018, 10:10 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 11-30-2018, 01:14 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Wallfire - 11-30-2018, 03:21 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 12-09-2018, 06:26 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 12-29-2018, 11:50 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 12-29-2018, 03:19 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 12-29-2018, 04:55 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 12-30-2018, 02:57 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 12-31-2018, 12:38 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 12-31-2018, 09:10 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-02-2019, 10:25 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-05-2019, 12:51 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-03-2019, 10:06 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-04-2019, 01:32 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-05-2019, 05:42 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-05-2019, 06:17 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-07-2019, 07:47 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-07-2019, 08:31 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-07-2019, 09:23 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 01-07-2019, 11:08 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-08-2019, 04:16 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-09-2019, 04:54 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-11-2019, 07:04 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-12-2019, 04:58 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-13-2019, 12:18 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-14-2019, 12:41 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-20-2019, 11:20 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-20-2019, 06:44 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-20-2019, 06:52 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-21-2019, 12:23 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-21-2019, 11:48 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-21-2019, 04:46 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-21-2019, 05:52 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-21-2019, 07:11 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-21-2019, 07:29 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-22-2019, 06:04 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-23-2019, 04:40 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-23-2019, 10:40 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-24-2019, 03:18 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-24-2019, 05:31 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-26-2019, 12:59 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Wallfire - 01-26-2019, 03:03 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-26-2019, 03:13 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 01-27-2019, 01:34 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-28-2019, 02:01 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 01-29-2019, 12:00 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 01-29-2019, 07:56 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-30-2019, 05:18 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 01-30-2019, 05:50 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 02-03-2019, 10:25 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 02-04-2019, 03:39 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 02-04-2019, 12:43 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Wallfire - 02-04-2019, 02:13 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 02-04-2019, 07:18 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Wallfire - 02-04-2019, 07:52 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 02-04-2019, 11:01 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 02-05-2019, 02:35 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 02-05-2019, 02:36 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 02-07-2019, 12:32 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 02-07-2019, 04:45 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 02-09-2019, 01:40 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 02-16-2019, 08:04 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 02-20-2019, 06:18 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 02-20-2019, 06:33 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 02-24-2019, 09:59 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 02-25-2019, 01:31 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 02-25-2019, 05:40 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Wallfire - 02-25-2019, 05:50 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 02-25-2019, 05:53 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 02-25-2019, 10:15 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 03-01-2019, 12:17 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 03-01-2019, 06:59 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 03-03-2019, 02:20 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 03-03-2019, 11:08 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 03-06-2019, 07:00 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 03-06-2019, 11:09 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 03-07-2019, 09:53 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 03-09-2019, 12:24 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 03-16-2019, 01:43 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 03-09-2019, 12:28 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 03-09-2019, 12:39 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 03-09-2019, 12:18 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 03-09-2019, 04:27 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 03-13-2019, 02:31 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 03-18-2019, 11:43 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 03-20-2019, 06:53 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 03-20-2019, 06:54 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 03-20-2019, 07:00 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 03-20-2019, 07:11 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 03-29-2019, 02:32 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 03-29-2019, 06:31 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 03-29-2019, 10:17 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 03-30-2019, 12:27 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 04-26-2019, 01:33 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 05-07-2019, 11:36 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-17-2019, 07:51 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 05-17-2019, 09:15 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-17-2019, 11:57 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-17-2019, 11:51 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 05-19-2019, 12:06 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 05-20-2019, 05:39 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 05-23-2019, 04:24 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-23-2019, 10:44 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-23-2019, 10:55 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 05-24-2019, 09:08 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 05-29-2019, 09:44 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-31-2019, 09:39 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-31-2019, 09:44 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-31-2019, 09:46 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-31-2019, 09:51 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 06-04-2019, 12:47 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 06-06-2019, 04:48 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 06-08-2019, 09:32 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 06-13-2019, 07:50 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 06-20-2019, 08:50 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 06-30-2019, 09:18 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 06-30-2019, 03:39 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 06-30-2019, 05:18 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 06-30-2019, 07:06 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 07-02-2019, 07:53 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Ninurta - 07-03-2019, 06:18 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 07-03-2019, 08:42 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Ninurta - 07-03-2019, 05:08 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 07-17-2019, 12:23 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 07-19-2019, 02:04 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 07-19-2019, 06:01 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 07-19-2019, 09:24 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 07-29-2019, 09:12 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 07-29-2019, 06:24 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 08-02-2019, 10:16 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 08-04-2019, 01:37 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 08-06-2019, 05:41 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 08-06-2019, 04:20 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 08-11-2019, 10:05 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 08-15-2019, 10:03 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 08-16-2019, 09:08 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 08-25-2019, 01:21 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 08-25-2019, 09:47 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 09-30-2019, 10:43 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 10-01-2019, 08:24 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Wallfire - 10-01-2019, 10:28 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 10-04-2019, 09:15 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 10-14-2019, 04:50 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 10-23-2019, 04:21 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 10-23-2019, 04:40 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 10-29-2019, 03:52 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 11-05-2019, 11:09 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 11-10-2019, 01:15 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Ninurta - 11-11-2019, 02:50 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 11-11-2019, 11:53 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 11-16-2019, 02:06 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 12-07-2019, 06:28 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 12-07-2019, 08:33 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 12-08-2019, 08:41 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 02-16-2020, 02:37 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 02-16-2020, 04:18 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 03-12-2020, 05:24 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Ninurta - 03-13-2020, 04:50 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 04-03-2020, 06:35 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by guohua - 04-03-2020, 06:50 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 04-23-2020, 06:05 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 05-03-2020, 10:12 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 06-06-2020, 06:20 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 06-17-2020, 05:54 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 06-23-2020, 11:16 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 06-29-2020, 09:50 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 06-30-2020, 11:53 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by BIAD - 07-06-2020, 11:14 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 07-23-2020, 09:29 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by kdog - 07-23-2020, 09:56 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 07-23-2020, 10:13 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Mystic Wanderer - 07-29-2020, 08:11 PM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 08-07-2020, 04:53 AM
RE: Propaganda watch - by Armonica_Templar - 08-07-2020, 04:54 AM

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