20 DEAD AT NIGHTCLUB!?

[senona]

The point I'm going to eventually try to make in my ramblings is we can't legislate craziness.

Excellent point indeed!! 


Hard to get a grasp on the "crazies" out there and their reasoning behind their actions.

All legislation does is put more requirements (restrictions) on the normal folks.
As if that will stop criminals (crazies) from getting guns anyway they can.

So far, most have gotten them thru legal means.
No red flags to stop them from getting them, so what would more gun laws do to stop them? Not a damn thing.


Also, think the FBI dropped the ball on this guy being as they had questioned him before. Twice.
They should have at least put him on the watch list.
But they didn't....same as with the marathon bombers.
A little too late now, the tragedy has occurred, dozens killed once again.




And I agree, it is hard to lump all these tragic incidents together, and package them in a nice neat little box as one.
It doesn't work that way even tho there are some that try to.

Every person who commits these crimes, have a different background, different story.

Except the ones who carry it out in the name of Allah, the radical extremists....those seem to have the same views, same issues....same everything.
Same background.

Hatred for the Western world and it's people.
The more they can kill, the happier they are.

And they will find a way to get weapons, regardless of if they were outlawed or not.

Afraid we can expect more in time from the radicals, thanks to the propaganda being pushed on the internet glorifying ISIS and the number of refugees coming in without being properly vetted.

When the head of FBI says there is no way to run a background check on many of them, being as some have no documents/paper trail to look back on,  you know there will be some who slip thru the cracks that want to do harm to Americans.
And the stupid questions they ask them have proven to be futile, being as the San Bernadino attackers lied in order to get in the U.S.

[senona]

Orlando gunman expressed sympathy for rival extremist groups, including Islamic State and Al Qaeda, investigators say


Here is the latest on the investigation...

The gunman who attacked a Florida nightclub appeared to be radicalized by Islamic extremists on the Internet, but expressed sympathies with radical groups that violently oppose each other, officials said Monday.

On Sunday morning, Omar Mateen told a 911 dispatcher that he was attacking the Pulse nightclub in Orlando on behalf of the leader of Islamic State, FBI Director James Comey said at a news conference Monday.


Mateen, 29, of Fort Pierce, Fla., was killed by a SWAT team and was among the 50 found dead at the site. Fifty-three more were wounded.

Even tho he was born in New York, he sympathized with other terrorists.

But Mateen, who was born in New York, had also expressed solidarity with the 2013 Boston bombers and an American suicide bomber who belonged to an Al Qaeda affiliate in Syria opposed to Islamic State, Comey said.

Cannot believe yet once again, he was under investigation at one time by the FBI.
A lot of good that did....should have kept him on the "watch list"...same with the Boston marathon bombers

The FBI previously investigated Mateen, a security guard, for 11 months for telling co-workers in 2013 that he had relatives connected to Al Qaeda, the Sunni extremist group, while also claiming he was a member of Hezbollah, the Lebanese Shiite militia, Comey said. Both groups oppose Islamic State – and each other.

The FBI also briefly investigated Mateen in 2014 on suspicion of watching videos by Al Qaeda propagandist Anwar al-Awlaki and for attending a mosque in Florida with a man who later became a suicide bomber for the Al Nusra Front in Syria, which also opposes Islamic State. Both investigations were closed without an arrest. Comey defended his agents’ work but said the agency would still conduct a review.

In my opinion, someone like that, especially after the second time of looking into them, they ought to be red flagged as someone to keep an eye on.

Seemed like the Boston marathon bombers, the same thing happened. Even Russia tried to warn our government about the brothers, but oh well, got swept under the rug.

[DuckforcoveR]

Orlando gunman expressed sympathy for rival extremist groups, including Islamic State and Al Qaeda, investigators say


Here is the latest on the investigation...

The gunman who attacked a Florida nightclub appeared to be radicalized by Islamic extremists on the Internet, but expressed sympathies with radical groups that violently oppose each other, officials said Monday.

On Sunday morning, Omar Mateen told a 911 dispatcher that he was attacking the Pulse nightclub in Orlando on behalf of the leader of Islamic State, FBI Director James Comey said at a news conference Monday.


Mateen, 29, of Fort Pierce, Fla., was killed by a SWAT team and was among the 50 found dead at the site. Fifty-three more were wounded.

Even tho he was born in New York, he sympathized with other terrorists.

But Mateen, who was born in New York, had also expressed solidarity with the 2013 Boston bombers and an American suicide bomber who belonged to an Al Qaeda affiliate in Syria opposed to Islamic State, Comey said.

Cannot believe yet once again, he was under investigation at one time by the FBI.
A lot of good that did....should have kept him on the "watch list"...same with the Boston marathon bombers

The FBI previously investigated Mateen, a security guard, for 11 months for telling co-workers in 2013 that he had relatives connected to Al Qaeda, the Sunni extremist group, while also claiming he was a member of Hezbollah, the Lebanese Shiite militia, Comey said. Both groups oppose Islamic State – and each other.

The FBI also briefly investigated Mateen in 2014 on suspicion of watching videos by Al Qaeda propagandist Anwar al-Awlaki and for attending a mosque in Florida with a man who later became a suicide bomber for the Al Nusra Front in Syria, which also opposes Islamic State. Both investigations were closed without an arrest. Comey defended his agents’ work but said the agency would still conduct a review.

In my opinion, someone like that, especially after the second time of looking into them, they ought to be red flagged as someone to keep an eye on.

Seemed like the Boston marathon bombers, the same thing happened. Even Russia tried to warn our government about the brothers, but oh well, got swept under the rug.

In my opinion, someone like that, especially after the second time of looking into them, they ought to be red flagged as someone to keep an eye on.

Seemed like the Boston marathon bombers, the same thing happened. Even Russia tried to warn our government about the brothers, but oh well, got swept under the rug.

Exactly! They 150% should have been kept an eye on. It's almost sickening that this is another perfect case of how existing laws and COMMON SENSE may have prevented this. It may have. And now the owner of the store who sold him the guns is catching flak? Really? He's mandated to run a check (which he did) but it's on the damn Feds to say yes or no. And we already know their level of "concern".

Insane

[senona]

Gays Must Die Says Speaker At Orlando Mosque - WFTV 9 Orlando Report

The Husseini Islamic Center, 5211 Hester Ave, Sanford, FL 32773, invited Sheikh Farrokh Sekaleshfar to speak at their Mosque. Dr. Sekaleshfar says the killing of homosexuals is the compassionate thing to do.


In a 2013 speech Sheikh Sekaleshfar said this regarding gays, “Death is the sentence. We know there’s nothing to be embarrassed about this, death is the sentence...We have to have that compassion for people, with homosexuals, it's the same, out of compassion, let’s get rid of them now.”




When Sheikh Sekaleshfar calls for the death of all homosexuals based on the tenets of Islam it can not be ignored, he is an expert on Shariah Islamiyya or Islamic Law.


Islamic Law also mandates a death sentence for blasphemers and apostates, does Sheikh Sekaleshfar and the Husseini Islamic Center Mosque advocate those legal rulings as well?

Equally as troubling is the leadership at the Husseini Islamic Center Mosque in Sanford, FL never condemn or disagree with the words spoken by their speaker about the killing of gays - silence is consent.

[senona]

Oh, and we can't leave out Westboro Baptist Church either....sigh

It would appear the hatred of gays by the Westboro Baptist Church has been overshadowed by Sheikh Sekaleshfar and the Husseini Islamic Center Mosque of Sanford, FL.

Both places ought to be fined or something for promoting death to innocent people


Westboro Baptist Church Celebrates Pulse Nightclub Shooting In Orlando: ‘God Sent The Shooter’

According to the Gaily Grind, the Westboro Baptist Church has now spoken out about this tragedy, and the very well-known anti-LGBT group thinks this was a message from God. The WBC believes that the mass shooting is “only right for Sodom America!”



 


Plans have not yet been revealed by the Westboro Baptist Church to know if any members will head to Orlando soon. In most big events similar to this tragedy and big-time happenings, the WBC does head to funerals or the sites of those that have died so they can picket and make their messages known.

Goes back to using 'religion' as a means to promote hate and encourage death to those they do not approve of.
That is just total bullshit IMO.

A form of acceptable racist/bigot behavior, yes even including the Mosque, all because of their so-called "belief"

People harp on Christians for being bigots.
How about harping on Radical Islamist's for being homophobic and bigots too, and stop giving them a free pass due to political correctness.


And the gay community has struck out about being shunned by the Christians.
Now will they stand up to Muslims as they have others????
They sure as hell need do before more die at the hands of radicals.

[DuckforcoveR]

@senona

That's what I was afraid of searching for. I wish I could believe in a "pit of hell" for people like that. Westboro, ISIS, doesn't matter. The HATE in people is absolutely abhorrent. And I'm afraid to say I feel religion itself is a bit to blame. It seems to feed on people and their fears. I heard this recently and it stuck with me (bear with me, I'm paraphrasing...)

If religion and science were both wiped out, Mankind is at the brink of elimination, religion will surface again. But it'll be with a different god and a different set of rules and regulations. Science will surface again, but it'll be the same. Somebody will always figure out the truth.

I wish I could find that quote, I'm still looking and will update as needed...

DFC

[senona]

@senona

That's what I was afraid of searching for. I wish I could believe in a "pit of hell" for people like that. Westboro, ISIS, doesn't matter. The HATE in people is absolutely abhorrent. And I'm afraid to say I feel religion itself is a bit to blame. It seems to feed on people and their fears. I heard this recently and it stuck with me (bear with me, I'm paraphrasing...)

If religion and science were both wiped out, Mankind is at the brink of elimination, religion will surface again. But it'll be with a different god and a different set of rules and regulations. Science will surface again, but it'll be the same. Somebody will always figure out the truth.

I wish I could find that quote, I'm still looking and will update as needed...

DFC

I agree, religion is to blame.

But when you get to the bottom line, regardless of which religious sect one believes in, it all goes back to Man "creating" said religion.
Therefore, putting in the guidelines of do's and don't that they want into the Bible or Koran, or any other text in order to control the masses.


Basically, 'religion' provides a belief system that people need.
Yet at the same time, it was also created to control their azz as well IMO.





As I have gotten older, and am wise to organized religion now, making money "all in the name of God" .... I have become spiritual in nature.
I believe in something greater than us, but not exactly how the Bible wants one to believe.

And I sure as hell do not approve (nor understand) killing in the name of "God/Allah"
No God would want that........unless he is an evil one, being as He (or She) is supposed to love everyone.
And therefore is no god in my book.

[DuckforcoveR]

@senona

That's what I was afraid of searching for. I wish I could believe in a "pit of hell" for people like that. Westboro, ISIS, doesn't matter. The HATE in people is absolutely abhorrent. And I'm afraid to say I feel religion itself is a bit to blame. It seems to feed on people and their fears. I heard this recently and it stuck with me (bear with me, I'm paraphrasing...)

If religion and science were both wiped out, Mankind is at the brink of elimination, religion will surface again. But it'll be with a different god and a different set of rules and regulations. Science will surface again, but it'll be the same. Somebody will always figure out the truth.

I wish I could find that quote, I'm still looking and will update as needed...

DFC

I agree, religion is to blame.

But when you get to the bottom line, regardless of which religious sect one believes in, it all goes back to Man "creating" said religion.
Therefore, putting in the guidelines of do's and don't that they want into the Bible or Koran, or any other text in order to control the masses.


Basically, 'religion' provides a belief system that people need.
Yet at the same time, it was also created to control their azz as well IMO.





As I have gotten older, and am wise to organized religion now, making money "all in the name of God" .... I have become spiritual in nature.
I believe in something greater than us, but not exactly how the Bible wants one to believe.

And I sure as hell do not approve (nor understand) killing in the name of "God/Allah"
No God would want that........unless he is an evil one, being as He (or She) is supposed to love everyone.
And therefore is no god in my book.

Amen. No pun intended....


God needing man to do his/her dirty work? Not a chance. Man created god... We created the ultimate Cult of Personality and now we are living in it. Sad, but true. Hell rings the bells thinking we care about The One. But in reality, those Holy Divers will be welcomed to nothing but a Jungle that is raining blood. I don't feel good at all knowing that the doctor who performed emergency surgery on patient Sunday morning will get very little credit. That's what I call bringing on the heartbreak. We are the masters of our own destruction. Hallowed be our name.

[Mystic Wanderer]

Marital Law?


Been there, done that, lost everything but the shirt on my back.


Perhaps you meant Martial Law?  : )


I don't know if it's a false flag. But it's insane, no matter what it is.

LOL, look over me; I have dyslexia. That's one reason I have to edit all my posts/threads so many times. :smalleyeroll:
Thanks for correcting me.  

[Mystic Wanderer]

This article covers it all... as I was saying/thinking in my previous post.  LINK

[Mystic Wanderer]

@senona

That's what I was afraid of searching for. I wish I could believe in a "pit of hell" for people like that. Westboro, ISIS, doesn't matter. The HATE in people is absolutely abhorrent. And I'm afraid to say I feel religion itself is a bit to blame. It seems to feed on people and their fears. I heard this recently and it stuck with me (bear with me, I'm paraphrasing...)

If religion and science were both wiped out, Mankind is at the brink of elimination, religion will surface again. But it'll be with a different god and a different set of rules and regulations. Science will surface again, but it'll be the same. Somebody will always figure out the truth.

I wish I could find that quote, I'm still looking and will update as needed...

DFC

There IS a hell, maybe not fire and brimstone, as the church preaches/teaches, but there is a personal hell that these evil people will face when they leave this world, and it will be every bit as bad as the evil acts they inflicted upon any one while living.

[senona]

Just saw this on Twitter, courtesy of @ArchieBunkster

As he said so eloquently,    "Jeez Edith, Stevie Wonder sees more than this joker"            



                                                




Yeah, kinda hard to go after an enemy when the President cannot (will not) even say their name....Radical Islamist terrorists.

To hell with being politically correct, people are being killed, all in the name of Allah.

[guohua]

So, now I think the Truth is coming Out! 
This Animal Omar may very well have been Gay!
Now, his Father Hated Gays and the Religion he was raised into Hated Gays. He tried to be Straight For His Father and His Religion, But Just Couldn't and Felt That He Needed To Eradicate those That He In His Mind Was The Cause Of His Desire and Cleanse Himself.

The update I read this morning mentions survivors from the mass shooting recognizing him as a frequent members and he even tried to date some of them.
So, this Bastard feeling Shame and Rejection from his Father and Religion felt this was the only way to Save His Worthless Soul.

The ex-wife of Orlando mass killer Omar Mateen claimed Monday that she believed he was homosexual — as it was revealed that he frequented the gay nightclub where he staged the nation’s worst massacre in modern times.

Sitora Yusufiy, who was married to Mateen in 2009 for three months, made the shocking claim on Brazilian television station SBT Brazil.
Her fiancé, Marco Dias, speaking in Portuguese on her behalf, said Yusufiy believed that Mateen had “gay tendencies” and that his father had called him gay in front of her. Dias also claimed “the FBI asked her not to tell this to the American media.”

 I completely believe the FBI told her not to mention he was Gay! His Father Knew He Was GAY!

The bombshell came as a male former classmate of Omar Mateen said he had been asked out romantically by the mass killer, who reportedly was a virtual regular at the Pulse nightclub, having visited it more than a dozen times over the years.

The former classmate said he would hang out with Mateen, hitting gay bars after attending class at Indian River Community College police academy in 2006 — and one time Mateen asked him out “romantically,” according to the Palm Beach Post.

 Was He?? Did he actually frequent Gay Bars???
Just continue reading for that answer.

“It’s the same guy,” Chris Callen, a drag queen who performs under the name Kristina McLaughlin, told the Canadian Press. “He’s been going to this bar for at least three years.”

Callen’s husband, Ty Smith, recalled seeing a drunk Mateen being escorted from the club.
“Sometimes he . . . would get so drunk he was loud and belligerent,” he told the Orlando Sentinel.
At least four Pulse clubgoers remembered seeing Mateen at least a dozen times in the past. But authorities said they had no further information when asked about the sightings on Monday. NBC reported that the FBI was looking into his alleged club visits.
“[He’d get] really, really drunk,” Smith told the Canadian Press. “He couldn’t drink when he was at home — around his wife, or family. His father was really strict . . . He used to bitch about it.”
Callen and Smith said they both stopped speaking to Mateen when he threatened them with a knife, after someone made a joke about religion.
“He ended up pulling a knife,” Callen explained. “He said if he ever messed with him again, you know how it’ll turn out.”

Yes, he was recognized! By more than one person actually.
He was Creepy another said.

They also shot down claims that Mateen had snapped after seeing two men kissing each other in public.

“That’s bullcrap, right there. No offense. That’s straight-up crap. He’s been around us,” Smith said. “Some of those people did a little more than (kiss) outside the bar … He was partying with the people who supposedly drove him to do this?”
Kevin West, another regular at Pulse, told the Los Angeles Times that Mateen used gay dating apps on a regular basis and even messaged him on a gay dating app, Jack’d.
He even saw Mateen an hour before the shooting.
“He walked directly past me. I said, ‘Hey,’ and he turned and said, ‘Hey,’ ” and nodded his head, recalled West. “I could tell by the eyes [it was him].”
One Orlando man, who refused to be named, told MSNBC that he had seen photos of Mateen on several gay dating apps, including Grindr, Adam4Adam, and Jack’d. He claimed that at least two of the man’s friends had been contacted by Mateen on the apps in the past.
“He was very creepy in his messages, and I blocked him immediately,” the man said.

Sad, the Religion Of Peace and It's 12 Century Ways Of Thinking and Teaching Calmed So many Lifes Of People ho just Wanted To Be Themselves! 
link

[guohua]

To continue on how some of the Promoters of Religion and how they use their Religion as a Tool For Hate and Murder.

SACRAMENTO -- A Sacramento Baptist preacher's sermon praising the attack on an Orlando nightclub that left 50 people dead has the local LGBT community outraged, reports CBS Sacramento.

Recordings of the sermon by Pastor Roger Jimenez surfaced on the Verity Baptist Church's YouTube account.
"Are you sad that 50 pedophiles were killed today?" he said in the sermon. "Um -- no -- I think that's great! I think that helps society. I think Orlando, Florida is a little safer tonight."
The remarks were delivered on Sunday morning, hours after the attack.
"We don't need to do anything to help. As far as I'm concerned, Orlando is a little bit safer tonight," he said.

 I agree with the following statement:

Sandrea Nelson, the Pride director of the Davis-Phoenix coalition, was left in shock after hearing Jimenez's sermon. He says in all his years growing up Baptist and attending church, no pastor ever spoke of inequality.

"He's not a man of God. He is not a man teaching a true religion," he said.

This sick Bastard goes on to say!

Jimenez's sermon went on to call for even more death, at the hands of the government.

"If we lived in a righteous government, they should round them all up and put them up against a firing wall, and blow their brains out," Jimenez said in the sermon.

Link

Religion, Pastors, Priest, Iman's, Rabi's and all the others need to be registered and monitored and have backgrounds checks done like when you go to buy a weapon.
Then continued to be Monitored and Shut Down When They Promote Violence.

[Minstrel]

...Religion, Pastors, Priest, Iman's, Rabi's and all the others need to be registered and monitored and have backgrounds checks done like when you go to buy a weapon.
Then continued to be Monitored and Shut Down When They Promote Violence.

Something about this bothers me.
I agree (on the basis of my anger over the current situation) ---- & that bothers me.

Who will define "promoting violence"?
That's probably what bothers me.

It will be some group that takes advantage of the opportunity to stave the flow and influx of "hate crimes" (though this particular situation falls into a gray mist as hate crimes go), and turns anything they desire to vilify into "promoting violence".
I can see them using it to get spirited "fight songs" banned from the repertoires of schools, from Kindergarten through NCAA levels.
I envision them using it to rewrite history, castrating the names, honors and reputations of great military leaders, rebels and rogues.
It will be used selectively... No fair & equitable brushes applied to these paintings.

Otherwise...I'm entirely in favor of the suggestion.

[727Sky]

Nothing to add as the following short video says it all

https://player.vimeo.com/video/167607521...0&byline=0&[video=vimeo]

[Mystic Wanderer]

Guess who this is. Guess what his son did in Orlando a few days ago. Guess whose office he is seen visiting in this pic.



Read about it here: LINK

[senona]

This should not be surprising...

Orlando gunman told wife of interest in a terror attack

(CNN)The wife of Orlando nightclub shooter told the FBI that Omar Mir Seddique Mateen said he wanted to carry out a jihadist attack, though she denied knowledge of his plans to launch the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history, a law enforcement official told CNN on Tuesday.

FBI investigators don't believe Noor Salman was a co-conspirator in the attack that killed 49 people Sunday morning at Pulse, the source said.


But authorities are looking into whether she should face charges for what she may have known of his intentions and possibly failed to report to law enforcement.

The development comes as investigators try to understand what motivated Mateen to carry out the devastating attack.

Law enforcement officials said Salman accompanied Mateen on trips to scout potential targets, though it is unclear how much she knew about his intentions. She was with him when he visited Pulse and Disney Springs -- an entertainment and shopping complex -- apparently in early June.

She also accompanied him on an April 26 visit to Disney World. Disney security officials have told the FBI that they believe the visit was to conduct reconnaissance.

Well hell, if she went with him to "scout" out places to attack and murder innocent people, as with any other crime, wouldn't that be an accessory to murder?
An accomplice, who knew what he was up to?

I sure hope Muslim's don't get a free pass to what would be a crime for a white, black or Hispanic person.
Like I said before, to hell with political correctness when it comes to saving lives.
And to hell with offending anyone, not when 50 innocent Americans were killed and 53 more injured.

[senona]

THIS is why it is not a "hate" crime as the shooters father is trying to imply


Facebook postings

Mateen also vented on Facebook before and during the massacre.



"America and Russia stop bombing the Islamic state," the gunman wrote, according to the chairman of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.

"You kill innocent women and children by doing us airstrikes ... now taste the Islamic state vengeance."


Then, in his final post, an ominous warning: ''In the next few days you will see attacks from the Islamic state in the usa."

Source



Definitely sounds like radical Islamic terrorism, not a "gay" homophobic crime as Daddy suggested after seeing to gays kissing.
This has been brewing for a while.

Although radicals hate gays, and they see killing them as being compassionate, this is a radical Islamist attack on American soil.
The shooter just happened to target a gay bar.



And as my husband said earlier when two talking heads on TV were arguing---what difference does it make if the shooter was with ISIS or if he was self radicalized because of ISIS.

He killed innocent Americans all in the name of Allah.
So why argue over whether he did it by himself, or as a terrorist group.

He achieved his goal.....which was dead Americans.
Thanks to "Allah" hating Westerners.....sigh


Some god that is.....pffft
Sounds like a hater, not no god

[Mystic Wanderer]

I found this article rather interesting too.

The darkest time in prophetic history is now upon us’ – The final act has begun as the ultimate purpose for Orlando massacre is exposed

The headlined quote comes from Steve Quayle from an outstanding and eye-opening interview on June 14 with Sheila Zilinski from the Weekend Vigilante, where Steve explains a message he received “Warn my people, the night now is upon us,” explaining the message means that “The darkest time in prophetic history is now upon us,” as he and Sheila breakdown the horrifying massacre in Orlando, Florida that killed 49 people and left 53 others severely injured.

Quite a few dots are connected from the name of the gay nightclub “Pulse,” where the terrorist attack occurred in Orlando, in connection to the upcoming “Together 2016” July event sponsored by the “Pulse Movement,” also referred to as the “Reset movement,”  to the conflicting eyewitness accounts claiming there were multiple shooters, where the ultimate purpose of the massacre is exposed. (Side Note – The United Nations has declared 2016 the International Year of Pulses)

Quayle gets to the point right off the bat:
Was this a false flag? “YES” – Were people killed? “YES” –  Was the ultimate purpose gun control? “YES.”

Read the Full Article