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Mac Brazel & The Debris. An Opinion.
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(06-30-2021, 12:45 AM)ABNARTY Wrote: I was watching a show on the subject. Can't remember the name. 

They did discussed two sites in conjunction with the event.  

Supposedly, there indeed was a craft. The first location, the ranch, was where the craft initially hit the ground and then bounced back up in the air to finally come down some distance away. Sort of a skip at high speed. 

This is consistent with the "two incident" hypothesis. It also provides a gouge with debris. It provides a reason why the 509th Commander did what he did. It was something very unusual way out of his lane and he thought he was doing the right thing. That is until the hammer came down from above. Then we get weather balloon and I was mistaken.

This one... the 'Flats' on the Plains of San Agustin? The only problem with these accounts is it causes any interested party
to 'buy into' the notion that around early July, a series of events happened that build up to be the background story of the
Roswell incident and counters any evidence Brazel offered that he'd found his debris before the Fourth of July.

This account is a tricky one, a civil engineer with  the US Soil Conservation Service was allegedly examining the area
when he came across a damaged 'disc' of around twenty-to-thirty feet in diameter. The exact location has always been
a little vague, but the nearest approximation is between Datil and Horse Springs.

Grady L. 'Barney' Barnett supposedly told his friends in July of 1947 of the discovery on an area of the Plains of San Agustin,
New Mexico. But some researchers believe what Barnett saw was a downed V2 rocket that was launched the same day.
The date Barnett said he was at the Flats was 4th of July 1947, but for his account to jibe with others involved, Barney Barnett
had to discover the crash site on the third of July because that was the date quoted by a man and his wife who were also there.

Ranch owners Jack Bruton and his wife heard whatever it was come down and went to investigate the crash site at the Flats.
They reported that they found what they described as a pile of twisted metal and Mr Bruton believed that -even though the
wreckage had no markings or signs of a pilot, it was an airplane of some sort.
Oddly enough, because of this presumption, the rancher never reported the find to the Police.

But another rancher named Marvin Ake did state to researchers of seeing the military removing two truckloads of debris
from the same general area. But that doesn't mean any iniquitous behaviour was going on at the Plains. During one the
many tests of the White Sands launch site, a V2 rocket actually veered off from its plotted course and ended-up making
a crater near the town of Ciudad Juarez in Mexico.

The military were quick in collecting that material and the crater it made was about the same size Barnett estimated of his
alleged find. Dirty laundry and all that!
................................................................

Another story of a crash -I posted is on Page One of this thread. The Capitan Mountains report.

Again, these dated stories demand the whole incident happened within a day-or two of the Roswell incident and even though
this conflicts with The Roswell Daily Record's own interview when William 'Mac' Brazel was marched to the newspaper's offices,
it remains as a mainstay in the lore of the flying saucer crash.

It's important, it's obvious and it's down-right sectarian.

Brazel states -even after his short 'vacation' on the Army Base, to W.E. Whitmore of local radio station, Jason Kellahin of
Albuquerque's bureau of the Associated Press and a wire technician and photographer, Robin D. Adair, that he found the
debris on 14th June.

This is crucial because of -not just the standard narrative that Brazel supposedly discovered then strewn material on the
Fourth of July with Billy Proctor, it means something has changed within the culture of telling the story... something that
either shows Mac Brazel has screwed-up in his story or that the change in timing was relevant to that story.

Granted, the Proctor boy was now out of the picture and replaced by Brazel's son Vernon, but the bullet to shoot down the
'crumpled dishpan'-comment from McBoyle had been fired to distance the initial date that Brazel said he'd found the debris
to a closer-date connecting the military's official involvement and the media's presence.

Some stuff was dumped in an out-building or under some bushes for 23 days. The remains of a highly-sensitive experiment
was lost for 23 days -plus an unknown amount of time from the original release of the equipment. Twenty-four days later,
the military become involved and twenty-five days later, the same military announce they've 'captured' a flying disc.

The next day it's all deflated and it's not until decades later, that we're told a predecessor of a project known as 'Skyhook'
(Project Mogul) was the cause. What a crappy tale...! Where's the 'juice'? Where's the description of this supposed crashed
spaceship? How can we sell newspapers headlining about month-old foil in some cowboy's barn?!!

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The cowboy's barn.

So the public are offered a 'sexier' incident, an immediate response by those of authority and a rational explanation of what
happened. The arithmetic we feel more at home with.
tinywondering

Mac Brazel had became confused, the media initially leapt to a conclusion based on an official confirmation of Brazel's belief
and then a total retraction is given by the same authority that -not only took any evidence to prove Brazel and their first
announcement were correct, but also felt the need to have the mundane material flown somewhere else for further analysis.

All of this was -and still has been accepted by the established media and nobody mentions the quotes from the 1995 Media
Defence Report from the US Air Force where they mention on Page 18:

'...Although members of the 509th possessed high-level clearances, they were not privy to the existence of MOGUL;
their job was to deliver nuclear weapons, not to detect them.

'...When the Soviets exploded their first atomic device in August 1949, the experimental Project MOGUL was not in
operation. However, the explosion was detected by a specially-equipped Air Force B-29 aircraft...'

tinysure

On the bright-side, at least you now know what it feels like to be screwed with your pants on!
tinywondering


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Mac Brazel & The Debris. An Opinion. - by BIAD - 06-27-2021, 03:59 PM
RE: Mac Brazel & The Debris. An Opinion. - by BIAD - 07-02-2021, 12:18 PM

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