There was a bit of a run-up to Brazel's discovery on the desert floor and it began on Wednesday evening 2nd July 1947.
What information available -at best, is dubious regarding close contact with what many believe was a second crash site.
But there were observations of something on the suggested evening of Brazel's find.
Up to now, we have a rancher who finds some stuff he's not sure about in a region where nuclear devices are created,
rocket tests are performed and where weather-balloons are used to obtain scientific information. The trendy topic of flying
saucers was in the local media and maybe Mac Brazel thought his fifteen-minutes of fame may be scattered on the desert
floor before him.
.................................................
Friday, 4th July 1947.
Dan Wilmot and his wife -residents of Roswell, were enjoying the cool evening on their porch when at around 10.00.pm,
they observed a large circular object "like two inverted saucers faced mouth to mouth" zoom out of the southeast, and
travelling in a northwesterly direction at a high rate of speed.
Wilmot also said that he heard no sound but that Mrs. Wilmot said she heard a swishing sound for a very short time.
The whole incident lasted between perhaps 40 or 50 seconds.
I've always puzzled at this account due to Kenneth Arnold's earlier sighting in late June where he described the nine objects
flying near Mount Ranier -Washington State as: "half-moon shaped, oval in front and convex in the rear". It was when he
further explained their motion as: "like a saucer skipping across water" that the term flying saucer was born from the avid
news Reporters.
Then there's two Catholic nuns said to be Mother Superior Mary Bernadette and a Sister Capistrano, reported seeing a
bright fiery object appear to go to the ground well to the west and slightly north of Roswell.
It was late in the evening of Friday -4th July around 11.00.pm and looking out a third floor window of the now demolished
Saint Mary's Hospital during their shift-change, the two nuns observed the ball of flames disappear out of sight.
Mother Superior Mary Bernadette and a Sister Capistrano later recorded the incident in their logbook.
There's also the tale of Jim Ragsdale and his amorous behavior in his car/jeep/pickup truck. His account -which is full of
holes, supposedly took place on 4th July, but his credibility and change of details has no relevance here.
Then there's this classic narrative where names of the characters are still to this day, argued about.
The point I'm trying to show is that if a second crash site existed, then what evidence can indicate the military knew about
it before William Brazel discovered the wreckage on the Foster property.
Friday, 4th July 1947.
An archaeologist Professor and his students are taking advantage of the three-day-weekend and are on site-studies
somewhere west of Roswell, near the lower northern slope of Capitan mountains.
As they searched for Native American artifacts, an object was seen falling from the sky near their camp.
The name of the Professor, nor his students are not known.
A storm is approaching and as the evening is also closing in on them, the Professor realises that any search for what
they believed was an aircraft of some type would be fruitless and would have to wait until the next morning.
He instructs one of his team to locate a telephone and sometime after midnight, the student arrives at the small town
of Capitan on Route 380 and calls the Sheriff's office in Roswell. The student speaks to George Wilcox and explains
what he and his team witnessed.
This report was taken serious enough by the Sheriff that he requests two Deputies to ride out and check the report.
Wilcox also called the Roswell Volunteer Fire Department to react in case they're needed.
There are two versions of what happened next in the early hours of 5th July, but both basically track the same.
A single Roswell fire engine -supposedly escorted by members of the Roswell Police Department, responded to the
call and set out in the darkness with the meagre information of where the plane had been reported to have come down.
The other version states a lone fireman called Dan Dwyer followed the instructions and travelled the fifty-five miles
from Roswell in his own car to find out what had happened.
Driving west-northwest along a dirt-road known as SR-48, either the fire truck or Dwyer headed towards an area known
as 'The Old Pine Lodge', the reported location of the crash site. Arriving close to the vicinity of the crash scene, the story
is that after the rush to get out there to acquire any possible injured people, the truck or the solitary fireman were unsure
of the rough terrain and so, merely pulled-up to wait for the sun to rise.
But would this make sense?
.................................................
A bit about 'Pine Lodge'.
"Pine Lodge in the Capitan Mountains was marketed in the newspapers of the timeas a rustic retreat, ideal for resting
the “mind, body and soul” at reasonable rates. The lodge is long gone, but the paved road that is now the scenic back
way to the village of Capitan is named after it."
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Pine Lodge.
A suggestion to what happened is that the military had only just arrived on the scene themselves and when the fire truck
and police car contingent turned onto the dirt road from the main highway in the pre-dawn darkness they were stopped
by either MPs or an armed military patrol of some sort before they got very far.
As not to create a problem with the two civilian firefighting and law enforcement agencies, the narrative continues that the
military guards request a waiting period in order to allow an evaluation of the situation to see if their assistance was required.
If the object isn't as mundane an aircraft, even the patrol wouldn't be in the loop as to what is really going on.
If it was just fireman Dwyer attending, the same scenario is viable. By the way, in later interviews Dan Dwyer is quoted as
saying that he saw "the first pink lines of sunlight over the horizon" indicating being there at least pre-dawn of the morning
of July 5th.
Dywer also claimed he noticed an extremely strong glow over the crest of the hills away from the sunrise. Before sun-up Dwyer
says he was able to sneak away undetected from the loosely watched or guarded fire crew and police officers, possibly by a
planned or accidental diversion created by his buddies sharing hot coffee from thermos bottles with members of the military.
He makes his way across the rough heavily-wooded terrain to a point where he is able to see a number of uniformed military
personnel, a series of turned-on floodlights, and various pieces of equipment. Dywer said that he saw Jeeps, SRC-399 radio
rigs and other communication vans surrounding what he described as a "strange craft" being lifted into the air by a crane and
set on a flat bed truck.
He continues to watch as it is secured with chains and cables then covered by a tarp. Of course, Dan Dwyer is the only actual
eyewitness to the event.
The only downside to this is the lack of any report from the Roswell fire department regarding 3rd July 1947!
However, many researchers offer the idea that being a Volunteer service, next-day record-keeping -after a late-night run, could
have been overlooked and forgotten. A suspicious researcher may even offer the idea that any evidence of the alleged crash
of something unusual could be merely 'disappeared'.
But in regards of the police car contingent waiting for 'permission' to get to the alleged crash-site, another problem arises
Some research offers that the two deputies -who sent to the debris field by Sheriff Wilcox went early in the morning and
returning to the station-house, did so around mid-day.
However, it's said they reported that on the way back to Roswell, they saw several army trucks and a number of armed soldiers
that seemed to be staging at various places along the road. But this would conflict with the previous assumption the deputies
had accompanied the fire engine.
I also mentioned that during Major Jesse Marcel and Captain Sheridan Cavitt's scouring of the Foster Ranch and their return to
the Army Base, Mac Brazel seems to drop away from the narrative. Sometime during the two day period personnel from the local
Roswell radio station, KGFL, arrive to wire record an interview with Brazel.
The crew, realising there is no electricity on the ranch or being overseen too closely by Marcel and Cavitt requests Brazel to return
to town with them. Again, the KGFL people picking up Brazel made no mention of a military presence.
Later in that week, a co-owner and manager of Roswell radio station KGFL -George "Jud" Roberts, along with Walt
Whitmore Sr. reported he and Whitmore tried to drive out to the Brazel place but couldn't get close because the military
had the place cordoned off.
Roberts also described how Whitmore had previously wire-recorded an interview with Brazel.
Roberts said he was called from Washington and was threatened with losing the station's license if they aired the interview.
"I made an attempt to go out to the crash site to see it for myself, but I was turned back by a military person who said we
were in a restricted area."
So it may have been that the military were on the ball with this possible crash. This doesn't justify the title of a flying disc situation,
but if true, the road blockades put up by the Army does indicate something serious had happened and they didn't want it advertised.
It's just strange that nobody in the immediate circle of the Brazel account saw the road blocks.
.................................................
William M. Woody, age 14, lived on a farm east of Roswell Army Air Force Base.
Several nights earlier of Brazel's morning discovery, he and his father observe a brilliant fireball headed out of the northwestern
sky that appears to come down northwest of Roswell.
Here's his affidavit.
My name is William M. Woody
My address is: [Confidential] I am employed as: I am retired.
In 1947, I was 12 years old [corrected to 14 years old] and living with my family on our farm, located 3 miles south
of Roswell, New Mexico, and east of what was then Roswell Army Air Field. I still live on that farm.
One hot night during the summer of 1947, probably in early July, my father and I were outside on the farm. It was well
after sundown and quite dark. Suddenly, the sky lit up. When we looked up to see where the light was coming from,
we saw a large, very bright object in the southwestern sky, moving rapidly northward.
The object had the bright white intensity of a blow torch, and had a long, flame-like tail, with colours like a blow-torch
flame fading down into a pale red. Most of the tail was this pale red colour.
The tail was very long, equal to about 10 diameters of a full moon.
We watched the object travel all the way across the sky until it disappeared below the northern horizon. It was moving fast,
but not as fast as a meteor, and we had it in view for what seemed like 20 to 30 seconds.
Its brightness and colours did not change during the whole time, and it definitely went out of sight below the horizon, rather
than winking out like a meteor does. My father thought it was a big meteorite and was convinced it had fallen to earth about
40 miles north of Roswell, probably just southwest of the intersection of U.S. Highway 285 and the Corona road (State Highway
247).
My father knew the territory, all its roads, and many of the people very well, so two or three days later (definitely not the next
day), he decided to look for the object.
He took me with him in our old flatbed truck. We headed north through Roswell on U.S. 285.
About 19 miles north of town, where the highway crosses the Macho Draw, we saw at least one uniformed soldier stationed
beside the road. As we drove along, we saw more sentries and Army vehicles. They were stationed at all places - ranch roads,
crossroads, etc. - where there was access to leave the highway and drive east or west, and they were armed, some with rifles,
others with sidearms.
I do not remember seeing any military activity on the ranch-land beyond the highway right of way.
We stopped at one sentry post, and my father asked a soldier what was going on.
The soldier, who's attitude was very nice, just said his orders were not to let anyone leave 285 and go into the countryside.
As we drove north, we saw that the Corona road (State 247), which runs west from Highway 285, was blocked by soldiers.
We went on as far as Ramon, about nine miles north of the 247 intersection. There were sentries there, too.
At Ramon we turned around and head south and home.
I remember my father saying he thought the Army was looking for something it had tracked on its way down.
He may have gotten this from the soldier he spoke with during our drive up 285, but I am not sure. I also recall that two
neighbours, both now dead, stopped by and told my father they had seen the same object we had seen.
One said others in his family had seen it too.
There were many rumours about flying saucers that summer, and I recall the weather balloon story, explaining away the
report of a flying saucer crash near Corona. This seemed reasonable to us at the time.
I have not been paid or given or promised anything of value to make this statement, which is the truth to the best of my
recollection.
Signed: William M. Woody [Signed] 9-28-93
Signature witnessed by: Tracy L. Callaway [Signed] 9.28.93
.................................................
Dr. C. Bertram Schultz: A vertebrate paleontologist, and Professor Emeritus of Geology and Paleontology at the University
of Nebraska. Professor Schultz said he saw soldiers blocking access to the western side of Highway 285 as he was driving
15-20 miles north of Roswell.
Schultz's two daughters reported that their father has been telling the story of the crashed flying saucer for many years.
He also said he had spent time in Roswell and spoken with a group of archeologists who knew of the crash.
Among these that he spoke with at some time was archeologist Dr. W. Curry Holden of Texas Tech who had been at the
crash site. Holden told him of seeing the wreck.
However, there is evidence the contrary that Holden was actually was in Lubbock the whole time getting ready for the
wedding and not doing any archaeological work during this period.
.................................................
Bud Payne, a rancher and neighbour of William "Mac" Brazel, his ranch adjoined the Foster ranch, which Brazel managed.
Payne said he was turned back by armed guards as he approached the Foster Ranch and the debris field.
"Before I reached the site, I was stopped by two soldiers sitting in an Army truck parked beside the ranch road I was on.
They were in field uniforms, and they may have been armed, wearing pistols. There were more vehicles and soldiers on
higher ground beyond where I had been stopped.
"I told the two soldiers who stopped me I was going to where the flying saucer came down. They said 'We know where you're
going, but you can't go in there." They did not threaten me, but they had their instructions to turn everybody back."
.................................................
It's odd that when Bill Brazel went to see the Sheriff at Roswell (and to purchase a jeep) early on the Sunday morning, he never
spoke of being stopped nor did he report any sort of encounter with anyone from the military.
But notice the timing on this.
Brazel gets up early, completes his chores, and then drives into Roswell, about seventy-five miles away. But, by the afternoon
of the same day when William M. Woody and his dad head north from Roswell all the side roads are guarded by armed military
personnel.
.................................................
And to partially answer Mystic's query, within a year, Bill Brazel moved off the ranch and into Tularosa.
There he opened a refrigerated meat locker rental establishment where people could rent lockers to keep their frozen meat in
those days of few home freezers. Mac Brazel passed away in 1963.
.................................................
Here's some other statements of the incident.
Bessie Brazel Scheiber(Mac's daughter):
"There was what appeared to be pieces of heavily waxed paper and a sort of aluminum-like foil.
Some of these pieces had something like numbers and lettering on them, but there were no words you were able to make out.
Some of the metal-foil pieces had a sort of tape stuck to them, and when these were held to the light they showed what looked
like pastel flowers or designs.
Even though the stuff looked like tape it could not be peeled off or removed at all." "[The writing] looked like numbers mostly,
at least I assumed them to be numbers. They were written out like you would write numbers in columns to do an addition problem.
But they didn't look like the numbers we use at all. What gave me the idea they were numbers, I guess, was the way they were all
ranged out in columns."
"No, it was definitely not a balloon. We had seen weather balloons quite a lot - both on the ground and in the air.
We had even found a couple of Japanese-style balloons that had come down in the area once. We had also picked up a couple
of those thin rubber weather balloons with instrument packages. This was nothing like that.
I have never seen anything resembling this sort of thing before - or since..."
.................................................
Floyd Proctor, Neighbour of Mac Brazel:
"It wasn't paper because he couldn't cut it with his knife, and the metal was different from anything he had ever seen.
He said the designs looked like the kind of stuff you would find on firecracker wrappers...some sort of figures all done up in pastels,
but not writing like we would do it."
Lorreta Proctor:
"The piece he brought looked like a kind of tan, light-brown plastic...it was very lightweight, like balsa wood.
It wasn't a large piece, maybe about four inches long, maybe just larger than a pencil." "We cut on it with a knife and would hold
a match on it, and it wouldn't burn.
We knew it wasn't wood. It was smooth like plastic, it didn't have real sharp corners, kind of like a dowel stick. Kind of dark tan.
It didn't have any grain...just smooth."
"We should have gone [to look at the debris field], but gas and tires were expensive then. We had our own chores, and it would
have been twenty miles."
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The characters in The Roswell Incident.
(Left-To-Right) William Brazel, Sheriff George Wilcox, Major Jesse Marcel (young and old).
(Bottom) General William H. Blanchard, General Roger M. Ramey and the alleged debris site.
The next thing we should look at is what happened when the wreckage arrived at the Roswell Army Air Base.
What information available -at best, is dubious regarding close contact with what many believe was a second crash site.
But there were observations of something on the suggested evening of Brazel's find.
Up to now, we have a rancher who finds some stuff he's not sure about in a region where nuclear devices are created,
rocket tests are performed and where weather-balloons are used to obtain scientific information. The trendy topic of flying
saucers was in the local media and maybe Mac Brazel thought his fifteen-minutes of fame may be scattered on the desert
floor before him.
.................................................
Friday, 4th July 1947.
Dan Wilmot and his wife -residents of Roswell, were enjoying the cool evening on their porch when at around 10.00.pm,
they observed a large circular object "like two inverted saucers faced mouth to mouth" zoom out of the southeast, and
travelling in a northwesterly direction at a high rate of speed.
Wilmot also said that he heard no sound but that Mrs. Wilmot said she heard a swishing sound for a very short time.
The whole incident lasted between perhaps 40 or 50 seconds.
I've always puzzled at this account due to Kenneth Arnold's earlier sighting in late June where he described the nine objects
flying near Mount Ranier -Washington State as: "half-moon shaped, oval in front and convex in the rear". It was when he
further explained their motion as: "like a saucer skipping across water" that the term flying saucer was born from the avid
news Reporters.
Then there's two Catholic nuns said to be Mother Superior Mary Bernadette and a Sister Capistrano, reported seeing a
bright fiery object appear to go to the ground well to the west and slightly north of Roswell.
It was late in the evening of Friday -4th July around 11.00.pm and looking out a third floor window of the now demolished
Saint Mary's Hospital during their shift-change, the two nuns observed the ball of flames disappear out of sight.
Mother Superior Mary Bernadette and a Sister Capistrano later recorded the incident in their logbook.
There's also the tale of Jim Ragsdale and his amorous behavior in his car/jeep/pickup truck. His account -which is full of
holes, supposedly took place on 4th July, but his credibility and change of details has no relevance here.
Then there's this classic narrative where names of the characters are still to this day, argued about.
The point I'm trying to show is that if a second crash site existed, then what evidence can indicate the military knew about
it before William Brazel discovered the wreckage on the Foster property.
Friday, 4th July 1947.
An archaeologist Professor and his students are taking advantage of the three-day-weekend and are on site-studies
somewhere west of Roswell, near the lower northern slope of Capitan mountains.
As they searched for Native American artifacts, an object was seen falling from the sky near their camp.
The name of the Professor, nor his students are not known.
A storm is approaching and as the evening is also closing in on them, the Professor realises that any search for what
they believed was an aircraft of some type would be fruitless and would have to wait until the next morning.
He instructs one of his team to locate a telephone and sometime after midnight, the student arrives at the small town
of Capitan on Route 380 and calls the Sheriff's office in Roswell. The student speaks to George Wilcox and explains
what he and his team witnessed.
This report was taken serious enough by the Sheriff that he requests two Deputies to ride out and check the report.
Wilcox also called the Roswell Volunteer Fire Department to react in case they're needed.
There are two versions of what happened next in the early hours of 5th July, but both basically track the same.
A single Roswell fire engine -supposedly escorted by members of the Roswell Police Department, responded to the
call and set out in the darkness with the meagre information of where the plane had been reported to have come down.
The other version states a lone fireman called Dan Dwyer followed the instructions and travelled the fifty-five miles
from Roswell in his own car to find out what had happened.
Driving west-northwest along a dirt-road known as SR-48, either the fire truck or Dwyer headed towards an area known
as 'The Old Pine Lodge', the reported location of the crash site. Arriving close to the vicinity of the crash scene, the story
is that after the rush to get out there to acquire any possible injured people, the truck or the solitary fireman were unsure
of the rough terrain and so, merely pulled-up to wait for the sun to rise.
But would this make sense?
.................................................
A bit about 'Pine Lodge'.
"Pine Lodge in the Capitan Mountains was marketed in the newspapers of the timeas a rustic retreat, ideal for resting
the “mind, body and soul” at reasonable rates. The lodge is long gone, but the paved road that is now the scenic back
way to the village of Capitan is named after it."
Pine Lodge.
A suggestion to what happened is that the military had only just arrived on the scene themselves and when the fire truck
and police car contingent turned onto the dirt road from the main highway in the pre-dawn darkness they were stopped
by either MPs or an armed military patrol of some sort before they got very far.
As not to create a problem with the two civilian firefighting and law enforcement agencies, the narrative continues that the
military guards request a waiting period in order to allow an evaluation of the situation to see if their assistance was required.
If the object isn't as mundane an aircraft, even the patrol wouldn't be in the loop as to what is really going on.
If it was just fireman Dwyer attending, the same scenario is viable. By the way, in later interviews Dan Dwyer is quoted as
saying that he saw "the first pink lines of sunlight over the horizon" indicating being there at least pre-dawn of the morning
of July 5th.
Dywer also claimed he noticed an extremely strong glow over the crest of the hills away from the sunrise. Before sun-up Dwyer
says he was able to sneak away undetected from the loosely watched or guarded fire crew and police officers, possibly by a
planned or accidental diversion created by his buddies sharing hot coffee from thermos bottles with members of the military.
He makes his way across the rough heavily-wooded terrain to a point where he is able to see a number of uniformed military
personnel, a series of turned-on floodlights, and various pieces of equipment. Dywer said that he saw Jeeps, SRC-399 radio
rigs and other communication vans surrounding what he described as a "strange craft" being lifted into the air by a crane and
set on a flat bed truck.
He continues to watch as it is secured with chains and cables then covered by a tarp. Of course, Dan Dwyer is the only actual
eyewitness to the event.
The only downside to this is the lack of any report from the Roswell fire department regarding 3rd July 1947!
However, many researchers offer the idea that being a Volunteer service, next-day record-keeping -after a late-night run, could
have been overlooked and forgotten. A suspicious researcher may even offer the idea that any evidence of the alleged crash
of something unusual could be merely 'disappeared'.
But in regards of the police car contingent waiting for 'permission' to get to the alleged crash-site, another problem arises
Some research offers that the two deputies -who sent to the debris field by Sheriff Wilcox went early in the morning and
returning to the station-house, did so around mid-day.
However, it's said they reported that on the way back to Roswell, they saw several army trucks and a number of armed soldiers
that seemed to be staging at various places along the road. But this would conflict with the previous assumption the deputies
had accompanied the fire engine.
I also mentioned that during Major Jesse Marcel and Captain Sheridan Cavitt's scouring of the Foster Ranch and their return to
the Army Base, Mac Brazel seems to drop away from the narrative. Sometime during the two day period personnel from the local
Roswell radio station, KGFL, arrive to wire record an interview with Brazel.
The crew, realising there is no electricity on the ranch or being overseen too closely by Marcel and Cavitt requests Brazel to return
to town with them. Again, the KGFL people picking up Brazel made no mention of a military presence.
Later in that week, a co-owner and manager of Roswell radio station KGFL -George "Jud" Roberts, along with Walt
Whitmore Sr. reported he and Whitmore tried to drive out to the Brazel place but couldn't get close because the military
had the place cordoned off.
Roberts also described how Whitmore had previously wire-recorded an interview with Brazel.
Roberts said he was called from Washington and was threatened with losing the station's license if they aired the interview.
"I made an attempt to go out to the crash site to see it for myself, but I was turned back by a military person who said we
were in a restricted area."
So it may have been that the military were on the ball with this possible crash. This doesn't justify the title of a flying disc situation,
but if true, the road blockades put up by the Army does indicate something serious had happened and they didn't want it advertised.
It's just strange that nobody in the immediate circle of the Brazel account saw the road blocks.
.................................................
William M. Woody, age 14, lived on a farm east of Roswell Army Air Force Base.
Several nights earlier of Brazel's morning discovery, he and his father observe a brilliant fireball headed out of the northwestern
sky that appears to come down northwest of Roswell.
Here's his affidavit.
My name is William M. Woody
My address is: [Confidential] I am employed as: I am retired.
In 1947, I was 12 years old [corrected to 14 years old] and living with my family on our farm, located 3 miles south
of Roswell, New Mexico, and east of what was then Roswell Army Air Field. I still live on that farm.
One hot night during the summer of 1947, probably in early July, my father and I were outside on the farm. It was well
after sundown and quite dark. Suddenly, the sky lit up. When we looked up to see where the light was coming from,
we saw a large, very bright object in the southwestern sky, moving rapidly northward.
The object had the bright white intensity of a blow torch, and had a long, flame-like tail, with colours like a blow-torch
flame fading down into a pale red. Most of the tail was this pale red colour.
The tail was very long, equal to about 10 diameters of a full moon.
We watched the object travel all the way across the sky until it disappeared below the northern horizon. It was moving fast,
but not as fast as a meteor, and we had it in view for what seemed like 20 to 30 seconds.
Its brightness and colours did not change during the whole time, and it definitely went out of sight below the horizon, rather
than winking out like a meteor does. My father thought it was a big meteorite and was convinced it had fallen to earth about
40 miles north of Roswell, probably just southwest of the intersection of U.S. Highway 285 and the Corona road (State Highway
247).
My father knew the territory, all its roads, and many of the people very well, so two or three days later (definitely not the next
day), he decided to look for the object.
He took me with him in our old flatbed truck. We headed north through Roswell on U.S. 285.
About 19 miles north of town, where the highway crosses the Macho Draw, we saw at least one uniformed soldier stationed
beside the road. As we drove along, we saw more sentries and Army vehicles. They were stationed at all places - ranch roads,
crossroads, etc. - where there was access to leave the highway and drive east or west, and they were armed, some with rifles,
others with sidearms.
I do not remember seeing any military activity on the ranch-land beyond the highway right of way.
We stopped at one sentry post, and my father asked a soldier what was going on.
The soldier, who's attitude was very nice, just said his orders were not to let anyone leave 285 and go into the countryside.
As we drove north, we saw that the Corona road (State 247), which runs west from Highway 285, was blocked by soldiers.
We went on as far as Ramon, about nine miles north of the 247 intersection. There were sentries there, too.
At Ramon we turned around and head south and home.
I remember my father saying he thought the Army was looking for something it had tracked on its way down.
He may have gotten this from the soldier he spoke with during our drive up 285, but I am not sure. I also recall that two
neighbours, both now dead, stopped by and told my father they had seen the same object we had seen.
One said others in his family had seen it too.
There were many rumours about flying saucers that summer, and I recall the weather balloon story, explaining away the
report of a flying saucer crash near Corona. This seemed reasonable to us at the time.
I have not been paid or given or promised anything of value to make this statement, which is the truth to the best of my
recollection.
Signed: William M. Woody [Signed] 9-28-93
Signature witnessed by: Tracy L. Callaway [Signed] 9.28.93
.................................................
Dr. C. Bertram Schultz: A vertebrate paleontologist, and Professor Emeritus of Geology and Paleontology at the University
of Nebraska. Professor Schultz said he saw soldiers blocking access to the western side of Highway 285 as he was driving
15-20 miles north of Roswell.
Schultz's two daughters reported that their father has been telling the story of the crashed flying saucer for many years.
He also said he had spent time in Roswell and spoken with a group of archeologists who knew of the crash.
Among these that he spoke with at some time was archeologist Dr. W. Curry Holden of Texas Tech who had been at the
crash site. Holden told him of seeing the wreck.
However, there is evidence the contrary that Holden was actually was in Lubbock the whole time getting ready for the
wedding and not doing any archaeological work during this period.
.................................................
Bud Payne, a rancher and neighbour of William "Mac" Brazel, his ranch adjoined the Foster ranch, which Brazel managed.
Payne said he was turned back by armed guards as he approached the Foster Ranch and the debris field.
"Before I reached the site, I was stopped by two soldiers sitting in an Army truck parked beside the ranch road I was on.
They were in field uniforms, and they may have been armed, wearing pistols. There were more vehicles and soldiers on
higher ground beyond where I had been stopped.
"I told the two soldiers who stopped me I was going to where the flying saucer came down. They said 'We know where you're
going, but you can't go in there." They did not threaten me, but they had their instructions to turn everybody back."
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It's odd that when Bill Brazel went to see the Sheriff at Roswell (and to purchase a jeep) early on the Sunday morning, he never
spoke of being stopped nor did he report any sort of encounter with anyone from the military.
But notice the timing on this.
Brazel gets up early, completes his chores, and then drives into Roswell, about seventy-five miles away. But, by the afternoon
of the same day when William M. Woody and his dad head north from Roswell all the side roads are guarded by armed military
personnel.
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And to partially answer Mystic's query, within a year, Bill Brazel moved off the ranch and into Tularosa.
There he opened a refrigerated meat locker rental establishment where people could rent lockers to keep their frozen meat in
those days of few home freezers. Mac Brazel passed away in 1963.
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Here's some other statements of the incident.
Bessie Brazel Scheiber(Mac's daughter):
"There was what appeared to be pieces of heavily waxed paper and a sort of aluminum-like foil.
Some of these pieces had something like numbers and lettering on them, but there were no words you were able to make out.
Some of the metal-foil pieces had a sort of tape stuck to them, and when these were held to the light they showed what looked
like pastel flowers or designs.
Even though the stuff looked like tape it could not be peeled off or removed at all." "[The writing] looked like numbers mostly,
at least I assumed them to be numbers. They were written out like you would write numbers in columns to do an addition problem.
But they didn't look like the numbers we use at all. What gave me the idea they were numbers, I guess, was the way they were all
ranged out in columns."
"No, it was definitely not a balloon. We had seen weather balloons quite a lot - both on the ground and in the air.
We had even found a couple of Japanese-style balloons that had come down in the area once. We had also picked up a couple
of those thin rubber weather balloons with instrument packages. This was nothing like that.
I have never seen anything resembling this sort of thing before - or since..."
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Floyd Proctor, Neighbour of Mac Brazel:
"It wasn't paper because he couldn't cut it with his knife, and the metal was different from anything he had ever seen.
He said the designs looked like the kind of stuff you would find on firecracker wrappers...some sort of figures all done up in pastels,
but not writing like we would do it."
Lorreta Proctor:
"The piece he brought looked like a kind of tan, light-brown plastic...it was very lightweight, like balsa wood.
It wasn't a large piece, maybe about four inches long, maybe just larger than a pencil." "We cut on it with a knife and would hold
a match on it, and it wouldn't burn.
We knew it wasn't wood. It was smooth like plastic, it didn't have real sharp corners, kind of like a dowel stick. Kind of dark tan.
It didn't have any grain...just smooth."
"We should have gone [to look at the debris field], but gas and tires were expensive then. We had our own chores, and it would
have been twenty miles."
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The characters in The Roswell Incident.
(Left-To-Right) William Brazel, Sheriff George Wilcox, Major Jesse Marcel (young and old).
(Bottom) General William H. Blanchard, General Roger M. Ramey and the alleged debris site.
The next thing we should look at is what happened when the wreckage arrived at the Roswell Army Air Base.
Edith Head Gives Good Wardrobe.