03-07-2021, 08:19 PM
Let me work backwards on my replies here and go for the low hanging fruit first.
MY attitude? LOL!
Let me just point out using the word mutilation to describe trans genital surgery is a highly inflammatory buzzword used by TERFs and other “gender critical” feminists and is part and parcel of anti-trans commenters everywhere. Throwing out a pejorative without expanding on why you think this way then using blah, blah, yahda, yahda [sic] and blankity blank to cement your argument really comes across as lazy and un-original rhetoric. I would expect this from the shitshow that is ATS but not here where we tend to act in a more civilized and mature manner.
Surveys show that only around 18% of people know someone trans and considering that about 80% of trans people do not have “bottom surgery”, it is understandable why the poorly informed lack knowledge of such procedures and how this so called “mutilation” can positively influence one’s quality of life. Speaking personally, I wouldn’t be around if it weren’t for the life saving nature of this “mutilation”.
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@Wallfire
I apologize if you saw my comments as an attack. That was not my intent but let me explain…
It is inevitable that in every discussion of the trans topic, someone will always bring up DNA/chromosomes as a way to invalidate the lives, experiences and identities of trans people and it is a big deal for some who wish to weaponized this fact against us and think it is the drop-the-mic end of the discussion and the ultimate authority that wins any debate.
Like I said, we are not oblivious to this fact but the influence that “DNA” has on our daily lives is negligible other than maybe making us aware we may rarely experience certain health situations that those with natal bodies may not. This argument is so widely used against trans folks as to become a meme in itself hence my comment about digging up my bones 100 years from now which is about as lame, overused and a decade ago as the “I identify as an attack helicopter” diss.
Thankfully, so far at least, RN3 has not been the abusive and downright hateful cesspool like that other place when it comes to this subject but I have to admit I am a bit gun shy and maybe a bit triggered from past experiences and that I am perhaps somewhat preemptively defensive when it comes to discussing these matters but my intent is to be educational and informative rather than antagonistic. In a predominantly conservative and right-wing venue such as this and with anti-trans rhetoric imbedded in the Republican platform, it is only natural to expect facing a phalanx of detractors when this subject comes up. Again, I am sorry if you took my comments as an attack against you personally. If anything, it was an attack against ignorance in these matters in general. I will try to watch my tone and do better.
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@F2D5THCAV
I appreciate your comments and thank you for your response and information. I was unaware of this period in Russian history although I am somewhat familiar with LGBT life in pre-Nazi Weimar Germany. When I can find time, at your urging I will look into this further.
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@Ninurta et al. At this point I need to take a break. I’ve written much more and it needs some revision but I’ve only had about three hours of sleep and need to take a little nap first.
Standby for the rest of my responses in a few hours. Thanks to all involved in this discussion.
(03-07-2021, 02:47 PM)Michigan Swamp Buck Wrote: Regardless, I don't see having any productive dialog with anyone with that kind of attitude.
MY attitude? LOL!
Let me just point out using the word mutilation to describe trans genital surgery is a highly inflammatory buzzword used by TERFs and other “gender critical” feminists and is part and parcel of anti-trans commenters everywhere. Throwing out a pejorative without expanding on why you think this way then using blah, blah, yahda, yahda [sic] and blankity blank to cement your argument really comes across as lazy and un-original rhetoric. I would expect this from the shitshow that is ATS but not here where we tend to act in a more civilized and mature manner.
Surveys show that only around 18% of people know someone trans and considering that about 80% of trans people do not have “bottom surgery”, it is understandable why the poorly informed lack knowledge of such procedures and how this so called “mutilation” can positively influence one’s quality of life. Speaking personally, I wouldn’t be around if it weren’t for the life saving nature of this “mutilation”.
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@Wallfire
I apologize if you saw my comments as an attack. That was not my intent but let me explain…
It is inevitable that in every discussion of the trans topic, someone will always bring up DNA/chromosomes as a way to invalidate the lives, experiences and identities of trans people and it is a big deal for some who wish to weaponized this fact against us and think it is the drop-the-mic end of the discussion and the ultimate authority that wins any debate.
Like I said, we are not oblivious to this fact but the influence that “DNA” has on our daily lives is negligible other than maybe making us aware we may rarely experience certain health situations that those with natal bodies may not. This argument is so widely used against trans folks as to become a meme in itself hence my comment about digging up my bones 100 years from now which is about as lame, overused and a decade ago as the “I identify as an attack helicopter” diss.
Thankfully, so far at least, RN3 has not been the abusive and downright hateful cesspool like that other place when it comes to this subject but I have to admit I am a bit gun shy and maybe a bit triggered from past experiences and that I am perhaps somewhat preemptively defensive when it comes to discussing these matters but my intent is to be educational and informative rather than antagonistic. In a predominantly conservative and right-wing venue such as this and with anti-trans rhetoric imbedded in the Republican platform, it is only natural to expect facing a phalanx of detractors when this subject comes up. Again, I am sorry if you took my comments as an attack against you personally. If anything, it was an attack against ignorance in these matters in general. I will try to watch my tone and do better.
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@F2D5THCAV
I appreciate your comments and thank you for your response and information. I was unaware of this period in Russian history although I am somewhat familiar with LGBT life in pre-Nazi Weimar Germany. When I can find time, at your urging I will look into this further.
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@Ninurta et al. At this point I need to take a break. I’ve written much more and it needs some revision but I’ve only had about three hours of sleep and need to take a little nap first.
Standby for the rest of my responses in a few hours. Thanks to all involved in this discussion.
Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.