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California is just Fucked-Up
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This bill was co-authored by Assemblyman Evan Low. Low said he took inspiration for the bill from a staffer’s 9-year-old daughter, who wanted to know why she had to go into the “boys” aisle to find science-related toys.

Stores like Target began moving away from gendered signage such as removing aisles labeled as girl’s toys and boy’s toys in 2015.

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The retail giant announced last week its stores would begin phasing out some gender-specific product categories and switch to gender-neutral displays and colors after guests complained, or, as a company statement said, “raised important questions.”

“Right now, our teams are working across the store to identify areas where we can phase out gender-based signage to help strike a better balance,” the statement, posted to Target’s website, said. “For example, in the kids’ Bedding area, signs will no longer feature suggestions for boys or girls, just kids. In the Toys aisles, we’ll also remove reference to gender, including the use of pink, blue, yellow or green paper on the back walls of our shelves. You’ll see these changes start to happen over the next few months.”
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(03-06-2021, 05:01 PM)drussell41 Wrote: What exactly do you think are the motives to pushing this "no gender" BS?  I mean, it's at the point of being both totalitarian and insane.

If you want answers to this question, look no further than to 3rd and 4th wave feminism. Look also at how this “gender BS” has been politicized and weaponized as a wedge issue between the left and the right. You can only push a group of disenfranchised people so far before they collectivize to push back against what they see as totalitarian and insane. The silent majority of trans people just want to live their lives without being used as pawns in a political game of football and when you consider there are currently 20 states with pending anti-trans legislation in the works, it is kind of hard to not be on the defensive.

(03-06-2021, 05:26 PM)Ninurta Wrote: I don't lay any great claim to understanding transgenderism

Let me help you with that. The first area you might improve your understanding is to understand “trangenderism” is anything but an ism.  An –ism is a suffix added to the end of a word to indicate that the word represents a specific  unique or distinctive practice, system, or philosophy and as someone familiar with the transgender “community”, I can tell you that the “transgender umbrella” or “transgenderism” is anything but unique and distinctive. In fact, the term transgender is so broad and diverse that it is absolutely meaningless and in my opinion, is detrimental and harmful to those of us that have been mistakenly subsumed into this “movement”.

Just as I’m sure there would be pushback if I were to say that all conservatives and Trumpists are redpilled white supremacist neo-nazi Christian fundamentalist members of a radical violent militia trying to force their ideology down people’s throats, it is equally wrong to assume that all trans people are gender abolitionists or that all left leaning people are Marxist commie members of Antifa out to “destroy the fabric of society”.

Whether you consume media or not, one needs to recognize what sells papers or gets clicks is what makes the headlines and in most cases, those with the loudest or most obnoxious voices, the fringe at both ends of a spectrum that can be pitted against one another in controversy makes a good story and without nuance or a deeper understanding of the issues, it is easy to fall into poorly informed beliefs. Regardless of how one believes their thoughts are independent, collectively we have been programmed to a degree whether we want to believe this or not. This whole idea that transgender and transsexual people are some monolithic entity or that all of them (us) are activists on the same page believing in the same thing and waving the same flag is a gross misunderstanding and an inaccurate categorization but yet this is how most people see things. This is most unfortunate.

What most think they know about “transgenderism” comes from what they’ve seen or heard rather than actually knowing or loving someone trans such as a child, parent, sibling or romantic partner and as noted, most of that knowledge comes from the loudest or most extreme voices who generally are in no way representative of the whole. Personally speaking, I think so called “trans activism” is a cancer that does more to obfuscate and confuse the issue than it does to help.

There are reasons for that and one cannot fully grasp the situation without a bit of history or an understanding of the etiologies involved which within the modern trans ideology itself is considered heretical and blasphemous knowledge and subjects one to shunning and cancel culture for even mentioning – that not all trans people are the same or are trans for the same reasons.

Up until the mid-1970s, there were no what we think of as transgender people today but there were those with transsexualism which truly is an –ism and a very distinct and unique and rare legitimate medical phenomenon that had been scientifically studied for many decades. The criteria for diagnosing someone as transsexual were very strict and narrowly defined and as German physician and sexologist Magnus Hirschfeld noted in the early 20th century, those afflicted with this condition presented in two prominent groups that have gone by a variety of different labels over time such as true/pseudo transsexuals, primary/secondary, nuclear/non-nuclear, etc.

In a 1974 paper by Dr. Norman Fisk published in The Western Journal of Medicine, the indications for transsexualism were liberalized with introduction of the reconceptualized notion of “Gender Dysphoria Syndrome” which relaxed the stringent criteria and erased the distinction of the two different typologies. This opened the door and gave birth to a movement for those who would otherwise not have been considered transsexual in the past. In today’s modern transgender community, those once considered pseudo or secondary are the vast majority, are the loudest and the champions of trans activism that has become radicalized and unreasonable

Once these doors were unhinged others flooded in to where everything under the sun now falls under the umbrella of “transgenderism”. Drag queens, 96 different genders, neo-pronouns, gender abolitionists, gender non-conformists and vocal blue haired “non-binary” feminists have become the face of the community to the point now those of us that are traditional in our lives and gender roles i.e. the “true” transsexuals are being silenced and canceled for trying to distance ourselves from the madness. What is even worse is that our narratives and experiences are being co-opted by the masses for some sense of their legitimacy.

It is not those of my kind that seek to destroy gender or change society and culture to accommodate us. All we want is to go about our business quietly and get on with our lives as normal binary traditional men and women and we want to fit into stereotypical gender roles, not tear them down. My transness is not something I am proud of or advertise and only my family and most intimate friends even know I wasn’t born female as it is nobody’s business and not relevant to my everyday life but, when I see ignorance (lack of knowledge), bias, prejudice or bigotry online, I feel compelled to thrown in my 2¢ with the hope I can help others be more informed and educated about this subject.

’Ninurta’ Wrote:Any trans folks who may read this, please be gentle with my use of language. I'm an old guy, and can't keep up with Newspeak changes to the common English I learned as a kid. To me, "gender" means whether you are male or female, and "sex" means the thing you do to cause more folks to be born, regardless of gender, just as it did back when English was still English, before Newspeak.

To me, one of the true signs of being old is when one is unwilling to or simply stops learning new things or in other words, closed-mindedness. Knowledge and understanding as well as language evolves and is not static and turning off your brain because you’ve reached a certain age is just a cop out.

The distinction between sex and gender has been scientifically studied and written about for over 100 years. Sexologist John Money introduced the terminological distinction between biological sex and gender as a role in 1955, the year I was born. Try this Wiki for a more in-depth look at this or if you will, consider that sex is male or female and gender is boy/girl/man/woman.

Don’t worry, old man.  minusculebiggrin  You won’t offend me and I’m more than happy to discuss any of this with you or anyone that has questions and would like to know more.

(03-06-2021, 05:40 PM)Wallfire Wrote: Now im different im a mean SOB, so here is my take on transgenderism
There are as many emotional sexes as people need there to be.
Physical sexes there are two, male and female. You are your birth sex your DNA proves that. If you wish to change sex and have your bits cut off and others added that at the moment it is your right. But remember you have only changed your body shape your DNA still shows what your "birth" sex is and this should not be a big deal for anyone.

Do you really think that DNA/chromosomes make a single bit of difference to me? This primary school understanding of genetics is notoriously unreliable anyway. Do you also think that when they dig my bones up 100 years from now I’ll really give a damn what they may find out?

Regardless of popular opinion, folks like me are not delusional about biology, that’s what makes us trans and I am fully aware of the ways my body is different from natal females. Genetically, as far as I know at least because I’ve never been tested, I am and as you said always will be male but morphologically with the exception of having no uterus, ovaries and a vestigial  atrophied prostate gland, I am female, outwardly, hormonally and socially and what matters to me is if I’m in a traffic accident and taken to the hospital or when I crawl into bed to have sex with someone that is what I’m seen as.

How I was born is irrelevant to my everyday life. I’ve never lived as or been seen as a man and to suggest that I was one because of invisible chromosomes would be considered ludicrous if you knew me.

(03-06-2021, 07:12 PM)F2d5thCav Wrote: After the communists took power in Russia, they went through a period in which people were urged to explore their sexuality, engage in multiple relationships, ignore the constraints of marriage etc.

Citations requested.
Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.


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California is just Fucked-Up - by guohua - 03-06-2021, 04:40 PM
RE: California is just Fucked-Up - by drussell41 - 03-06-2021, 04:58 PM
RE: California is just Fucked-Up - by drussell41 - 03-06-2021, 05:01 PM
RE: California is just Fucked-Up - by F2d5thCav - 03-06-2021, 07:12 PM
RE: California is just Fucked-Up - by yuppa - 03-23-2022, 06:53 AM
RE: California is just Fucked-Up - by Ninurta - 03-06-2021, 05:26 PM
RE: California is just Fucked-Up - by Wallfire - 03-06-2021, 05:40 PM
RE: California is just Fucked-Up - by Ninurta - 03-07-2021, 03:51 AM
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