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Rotten Tomatoes Explains Decision to Remove Audience Interest Score

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Rotten Tomatoes Explains Decision to Remove Audience Interest Score
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February 27, 2019
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Following a number of news stories that blatantly lied to their audience about individuals “review bombing” Disney’s upcoming Captain Marvel film, Rotten Tomatoes rolled out a new redesign for their website which removed the audience interest score for films that had not been released to theaters yet.

In a blog post on their website, Rotten Tomatoes explained their reason for redesigning the website:

Quote:“Over the past 18 months, we’ve made a number of updates at Rotten Tomatoes, all in an effort to streamline the site and provide users with a more enriched experience. These updates include the launch of a new visual identity (you don’t hate the red anymore, right?); the creation of new original editorialvideo, and social content (check us out on TwitterFacebookInstagram); and a revamped Tomatometer critics criteria that better reflects the current media landscape, increases inclusion, and more fully serves the global entertainment audience.”




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They would continue:
Quote:“Starting this week, Rotten Tomatoes will launch the first of several phases of updates that will refresh and modernize our Audience Rating System. We’re doing it to more accurately and authentically represent the voice of fans, while protecting our data and public forums from bad actors.

As of February 25, we will no longer show the ‘Want to See’ percentage score for a movie during its pre-release period. Why you might ask?  We’ve found that the ‘Want to See’ percentage score is often times confused with the ‘Audience Score’ percentage number. (The ‘Audience Score’ percentage, for those who haven’t been following, is the percentage of all users who have rated the movie or TV show positively – that is, given it a star rating of 3.5 or higher – and is only shown once the movie or TV show is released.)”

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hey then show a screenshot from Jaws of what you will now see on each movie’s page.

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They then announced they will also remove their comment function on movies before release.

Quote:“What else are we doing? We are disabling the comment function prior to a movie’s release date. Unfortunately, we have seen an uptick in non-constructive input, sometimes bordering on trolling, which we believe is a disservice to our general readership. We have decided that turning off this feature for now is the best course of action. Don’t worry though, fans will still get to have their say: Once a movie is released, audiences can leave a user rating and comments as they always have.

Last but not least, you will notice we are making some layout changes to the site. Through our research department we have learned that our users would prefer a cleaner, less cluttered, presentation of the Tomatometer and Audience Score. Don’t worry, the information and data are still there (promise!).”

While Rotten Tomatoes implies these redesigns have been in the works over the past 18 months, the website faced intense pressure from a number of outlets including The Hollywood Reporter, ComicBook.com, ComicBookMovie.com, The Verge, Inverse, SyFy Wire, Cracked, The Mary Sue, ScreenRant, Comic Book Resourse, The Mirror, and more who claimed Disney’s Captain Marvel film was being review bombed by “trolls” with many of the websites describing these trolls as “sexist.” As Rotten Tomatoes notes in their press release these websites were confusing the ‘Want to See’ percentage score with the ‘Audience Score’ percentage number. And it’s more likely they were doing so deliberately as many of them referred to the Want to See score as a review even when screenshots they provided in their articles showed users only indicating whether or not they were interested in seeing the film.


Following their announcement, the policy was heavily criticized.

Quote:As Rotten Tomatoes, Netflix and other platforms remove downvotes (and comments) they ARE silencing ‘trolls’. But they’re also silencing customers.

Market research costs MILLIONS, and the internet generates it for free. Deleting everything to purge a few opinions seems excessive. pic.twitter.com/sxxkGY7Mcx
— ????? ????????? ?✨ (@BlakeNorthcott) February 26, 2019
Quote:It’s stupid & it’s cutting off their own nose to spite their face. Sorry they don’t like the answers but they are now reaching the point where they’ve forgotten 1 simple truth:

“Reality does not always afford you a truth to your liking”

So they’re trying to deny it & silence it
— The Doktor (@ScienceJesus) February 26, 2019
Quote:Not to draw too fine a point but:
THE SITE LITERALLY TAKES ITS NAME FROM THE VAUDEVILLE AUDIENCE PRACTICE OF THROWING ROTTEN TOMATOES AT BAD PERFORMANCES!

It’s moniker is born from the idea of “down voting” in what could be considered a very trollish manner. pic.twitter.com/RhdkC6R9gq
— ❌Darth Vegan❌ (@OneLastEcho) February 27, 2019
Quote:Tomatoes became an aggregate for agendas, not movies. Next they’ll hide or take away the Audience Score which is more often skewed against the “pros” especially if a film is being held up for some social stance, not on its quality.

— ЩILDCΛЯD (@WildcardJosh) February 26, 2019
Quote:ROTTEN TOMATOES protects CAPTAIN MARVEL for DISNEY and then LIES ABOUT IT!https://t.co/xI9MXAHLVQ
— Ethan Van Sciver (@EthanVanSciver) February 27, 2019
Quote:When you actually break it down it’s so stupid. The politics don’t matter. Lots of people are no longer interested in seeing a movie for whatever reason, RT thinks it’s wrong to not want to see this movie so they take away that option.
— Josh Cowart (@JoshCo82) February 27, 2019

What do you make of Rotten Tomatoes new policy? Do you agree with their decision to remove the audience interest score and remove comments from films that have not yet been released?

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Rotten Tomatoes Deletes Over 50,000 Captain Marvel Reviews – They Appear to Be Bot Reviews

Quote:Review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes appears to have deleted over 50,000 reviews for Captain Marvel.

A screenshot taken this morning around 9:30 AM ET shows the film had over 58,000 user reviews with an Audience Score of 32%
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A screenshot of the website taken at around 1:50 PM ET shows there are only just over 4,000 user reviews. The deletion of these 50,000 user reviews appears to have boosted Captain Marvel’s user score by a 4 points to 36%.
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Jeremy Conrad of MCU Cosmic believed people were using bots to give Captain Marvel bad reviews.

Quote:Just a few hours after opening user reviews on @RottenTomatoes, #CaptainMavel has over 58k reviews. Infinity War, a movie released a YEAR AGO only has 53K total.
Hey @RottenTomatoes are you ever going to stop people from using bots to spam your site or do you just not care? pic.twitter.com/RmGMgZ9C23
— Jeremy Conrad (@ManaByte) March 8, 2019

His thoughts would be echoed by Forbes writer Scott Mendelsohn.

Quote:Fun fact: #CaptainMarvel already has 58,000 user reviews on @RottenTomatoes with a “shockingly low” score of 31% (average user rating – 2/5). For reference, HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON 3 (which has been out for nearly a month just in North America) has just 51k user reviews. pic.twitter.com/JlL3Hj8bxi
— Scott Mendelson (@ScottMendelson) March 8, 2019

There is something to this idea as a number of the reviews simply stated “I_am_Robbie_the_synthetic_comment.” However, the scores attached to reviews with that comment varied widely from five stars simply just a half star.

 
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Rotten Tomatoes recently radically altered their website after a number of false and misleading reports from a number of entertainment websites that claimed people were “review bombing” Captain Marvel when in fact they were only marking whether or not they were interested in seeing the film. They were not actually reviewing the movie, and could not review the movie at the time because the film was not in theaters.


Rotten Tomatoes explained the decision in a blog post:

Quote:“Over the past 18 months, we’ve made a number of updates at Rotten Tomatoes, all in an effort to streamline the site and provide users with a more enriched experience. These updates include the launch of a new visual identity (you don’t hate the red anymore, right?); the creation of new original editorialvideo, and social content (check us out on TwitterFacebookInstagram); and a revamped Tomatometer critics criteria that better reflects the current media landscape, increases inclusion, and more fully serves the global entertainment audience.”

They would continue:

Quote:“Starting this week, Rotten Tomatoes will launch the first of several phases of updates that will refresh and modernize our Audience Rating System. We’re doing it to more accurately and authentically represent the voice of fans, while protecting our data and public forums from bad actors.

As of February 25, we will no longer show the ‘Want to See’ percentage score for a movie during its pre-release period. Why you might ask?  We’ve found that the ‘Want to See’ percentage score is often times confused with the ‘Audience Score’ percentage number. (The ‘Audience Score’ percentage, for those who haven’t been following, is the percentage of all users who have rated the movie or TV show positively – that is, given it a star rating of 3.5 or higher – and is only shown once the movie or TV show is released.)”

They also announced they were disabling commenting on movies before they release to theaters.

Quote:“What else are we doing? We are disabling the comment function prior to a movie’s release date. Unfortunately, we have seen an uptick in non-constructive input, sometimes bordering on trolling, which we believe is a disservice to our general readership. We have decided that turning off this feature for now is the best course of action. Don’t worry though, fans will still get to have their say: Once a movie is released, audiences can leave a user rating and comments as they always have.

Last but not least, you will notice we are making some layout changes to the site. Through our research department we have learned that our users would prefer a cleaner, less cluttered, presentation of the Tomatometer and Audience Score. Don’t worry, the information and data are still there (promise!).”

Following their announcement, the website was accused of shilling for the movie studios.

Quote:@RottenTomatoes is rotten indeed. Too the core. #censorship #shill #scammers
— VB_Joker (@vb_joker) February 27, 2019
Quote:yikes rotten tomatoes, way to shill out
— Justin Bliss (@juicetinbliss) February 26, 2019

However, there were also calls for Rotten Tomatoes to take down Audience Scores altogether. SyFy Wire’s Editor-in-Chief Adam Swiderski stated:

Quote:I think they should get rid of fans review entirely. It’s not a right. They run a website. They run a business. Critic reviews are critic reviews and that’s fine. And listen this isn’t me saying fans can’t have an opinion. But this is a tool. It’s obviously being abused more than it is being used constructively especially around particular films that politically rub some people the wrong way for certain reasons. It’s why we can’t have a nice thing. It would be nice if people used it the way it’s supposed to be used, but no one is. So screw it, goodbye.

His statement echoes Captain Marvel actor Samuel L. Jackson’s own thoughts on the matter:

Quote:“The mere fact that you give a voice or a platform to people who normally don’t have a platform is part of the problem. You can have an opinion that you don’t really have to be responsible for because nobody’s going to see you, nobody’s going to challenge you on it and if you want to bring somebody down or just ruin somebody’s day, you can say anything. Everybody doesn’t want to be uplifting and that’s pretty much what that problem is.”

What do you think about Rotten Tomatoes taking down these reviews? Do you think a lot of these were disingenuous reviews created by bots?

Or do you think Rotten Tomatoes had more nefarious reasons for removing the reviews?

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Quote:What do you think about Rotten Tomatoes taking down these reviews?

Do you think a lot of these were disingenuous reviews created by bots?
Or do you think Rotten Tomatoes had more nefarious reasons for removing the reviews?

Both.

I've been monitoring this situation and I suppose it's easy in these days of society-segregation for any
position on a movie to be countered by another opinion.

But it's the low-brow paradigm of this particular setting that is surprising, a fictional movie about a character
from a comic book. I can only hope that when the below sentences are read, the reader will see what is truly
happening today.
......................

Captain Marvel was originally created as a male (1967) and then for whatever reasons, the fictional rendered
character was changed to a female (1982). This revamped Captain Marvel then changed again into a male (1993).

In 2004, the drawn comic-figure became a female again and after the story was written that Captain Marvel would
perish, the next time the creators of the comics decided to resurrect the character, they drew it as a female (2007).

With a little story-line-chicanery, the Captain Marvel character has been altered to suit the ever-dwindling customers
over the many years of first-world social change, but the one reality that is ignored is that none of it is real.
......................

It's just shyster marketing to prey on current bogus outrages to ensure their salaries are paid.
The elite classes are using the multitudes of minorities are using a platform to fight against an imagined majority and
also amongst those assumed groups.

Those of wealth are laughing at all of us and we're eating their designed narratives as if we're enlightened beings that
have discovered these supposed disparities.
.....................

I suggest we wake up and see what reality really is. And the movie...? If you've got doubts about whether it's entertaining,
don't go and see it. It's not like its real or anything. Nobody died and everyone was paid.

Now please send copious amounts of cotton-candy to PO Box **** because I might get triggered (Is being triggered still
trendy?)
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Here's a small example of how the media can relate something that is partly-true, but at the same time,
give off unverified information for the sake of a biased agenda.

The UK leaving the European Union is deemed by the majority of Westminster politicians and London-based
Journalists as a bad idea and without resorting to using the expression 'Project Fear', the colouring of how
the EU (which is really Germany and France) is constantly maintained.

The riots, the no-go areas and the increased crime in mainland Europe are rarely touched upon and instead,
certain members of the established UK media -which many of them have property in France, portray Europe
as a place of easy-going folk who want Britain to remain in the 'club'.

At a time when genuine news is being looked at warily, you'd think the BBC Journalists would try to keep to
the line of sincerity -especially when the story is merely a re-jig of a story from another media-outlet.

Forget the subject of the article, it's not important in the manner of explaining of imposition that the
'Man-Bites-Dog' story is padded out with. It's the additions to the article that concerns me and why.

Here's the original, a French account of a light-hearted story involving chickens turning tables on a fox.
If it's a butter-patted metaphor for the Yellow-Jackets in France beating-up on Macron, I cannot say!


Quote:Unusual. Surprised by chickens, a fox killed at pecking.

'This is an unusual story, a fox was found the body riddled with pecking on the farm of the Gros-Chene High School
in Pontivy which has 6 000 chickens.

Usually, it's the opposite situation. A fox was killed by the chickens at Le Gros-Chêne high school in Pontivy, on the
night of Wednesday 6 to Thursday 7 March 2019.

"The fox had to return during the night, by one of the access gates of the breeding of laying hens which gives on 2.4
ha of pasture which is reserved for them" , explains Pascal Daniel, director of the exploitation , who still can not
believe this extraordinary event.

The animal was surrounded, then killed in a corner of the building that brings together 3,000 chickens: "It is a juvenile
of 5 or 6 months, about 60 cm long. He did not seem sick and in any case, he did not have scabies, " says Pascal
Daniel, who notes however that " the hens can arrive en masse and the fox, surprised, could panic in front of the number.

The hens have been there since July, so for more than seven months and have probably learned to defend themselves, "
says the farm manager, especially since this is not the first time an animal is introduced without being invited:
"A fox hidden in the nests has already been discovered, a year and a half ago  ! ".

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It is in the left corner that the fox was found, dead, the body riddled with punctures | WEST FRANCE


Pigeons devoured
Other predators also threaten the breeding: "We pay a tribute to the buzzards that attack the hens every week, but I think
that there too, they face. Pigeons are also victims and we find regularly regularly devoured, " notes Pascal Daniel.

A living naturalist from Brittany who was contacted , is also surprised by this turnaround: "There may be a group effect,
but also other reasons: the fox was young so inexperienced. It could already be weakened, even injured, and we know
that chickens go easily on a weak animal " .

Still, that night, no hen was a victim of predation...'
Ouest-France: -A Google Translation.

There we have it, a simple story with some indications that an incident held the farmer's suggestions like 'did not
seem sick', 'the the hens can arrive en masse' and 'could panic in front of the number'.
All conjecture and with some rationality, but not fact.

Pascal also explains that a section of pasture is reserved for the chickens and yet, the photograph above shows the
hens inside a building during daylight. The image is relevant as the wording beneath it describes which corner the dead
fox was discovered.

"So what...?!" -I hear you say. But hear me out. Here's the BBC's version of the same story.


Quote:Chickens 'gang up' to kill intruder fox on French farm.

'Chickens in a school farm in north-western France are believed to have grouped and killed a juvenile fox.
The unusual incident in Brittany took place after the fox entered the coop with 3,000 hens through an automatic
hatch door which closed immediately.

"There was a herd instinct and they attacked him with their beaks," said Pascal Daniel, head of farming at the
agricultural school Gros-Chêne.

The body of the small fox was found the following day in a corner of the coop.
"It had blows to its neck, blows from beaks," Mr Daniel told AFP news agency.
The farm is home to up to 6,000 free-range chickens who are kept in a five-acre site.

The coop is kept open during day and most of the hens spend the daytime outside, AFP adds...'
BBC:

Why put in the final sentence? Mr. Pascal Daniel never states the poultry live outdoors every day and
the comment is only identified as being said from 'AFP' (Agence France-Presse).

'Free-Range' poultry in the UK are portrayed as happy-go-lucky chickens running around in a grassy
field and retiring to their nests at night on their own volition. The reality is a little different.
Free-range chickens are not in cages, although they may be kept in a large warehouses for most of the time.
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So using the information from both articles, we have 6,000 chickens kept in two buildings (It states only 3,000
hens nailed the fox), an automatic door that only closes when an animal steps INTO the building and a photograph
of one of Pascal's chicken coops taken during the day.

The BBC do this regularly, they twist stories to suit narratives, sometimes bland puff-pieces that mean nothing in
regards of informative knowledge, but hold a meaning that will touch areas unseen by the standard reader/viewer.

My only surprise is that the BBC didn't mention whether Mr. Pascal was a disabled transsexual of colour with ginger
hair, or not.
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(03-09-2019, 12:24 AM)Armonica_Templar Wrote: They are leaving stupid footprints

The excuse is that well they have not seen the movie, they are leaving reviews
The truth is it was
I am not seeing


A BBC Arts critic says...


Quote:'....Maybe that is the trajectory of Marvel movies: more introspection, less action.

We'll find out soon enough when Avengers returns next month featuring Brie Larson as Captain Marvel.
Has she done for the #MeToo movement what Black Panther did for African American cinema? Is Captain
Marvel as culturally significant as that first ever Oscar-winning MCU film?

No, in short.

It is not as good a film.

I very much doubt it will follow in Black Panther's award-wining footsteps. But it is not as far behind in terms of
reflecting a shifting attitude in Hollywood as some would have you believe. This is an incarnation of a thoughtful
superhero who operates on her own terms, or, seeing as we are in the mid-'90s, knows how to assert her girl
power...'
BBC:

It's another example of sh*t-show marketing that they believe will hide the truth that the movie is crap.

An imaginary vehicle of female-empowerment from a place where women sometimes blow an influential
Hollywood mover-and-shaker to get a job in the picture-business.

Oh the layers of erroneous smugness!!!
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What with the latest divisive massaging of facts regarding Donald Trump, the Mosque shootings, a supposed rise
in white-supremacy and Brexit, it's nice to know that propaganda isn't a new thing. Of course it went on and of course,
the enemy and the people who read the false articles knew it was manipulative. 
And you wonder why the kids aren't watching the TV and buying newspapers anymore?!!

Quote:'Fake news' sent out by government department.

'British government officials forged documents to produce "fake news stories" during the Cold War, newly released files
show. The Information Research Department (IRD) was the Foreign Office's secret propaganda unit.

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For 30 years it fed information to journalists and had its own news agencies too...'

And the same Journalists took it without any research...? Or did they just do as they were told to and knowingly supported
a narrative that secured their jobs? Press 'A' to agree!

Quote:'...Almost 2,000 of its files have been transferred to the National Archives since the start of 2019.

"Cold warrior"
The files cover the early 1960s -the heyday of the IRD, when it employed between 400 and 600 people, according to Paul
Lashmar, author of Britain's Secret Propaganda War. In 1978, Mr Lashmar was part of the team of journalists who revealed
the existence of the IRD. He says this is the first time their role faking documents has been exposed.

The team was funded by the so-called "secret vote" -where government money not subject to parliamentary scrutiny was used.
Part of the project involved working abroad, but it also fed information to London-based academics and correspondents.
Among the newly released files are lists of trusted journalists...'

"London-based academics and correspondents"... 'trusted Journalists".... trusted by whom?!!
A fine example of the Establishment and it's conduits that maintain a certain order.

Quote:'...In 1960 that included Neal Ascherson -then a young reporter at the Observer newspaper who was introduced to the IRD
by Edward Crankshaw, a more senior Soviet specialist. "I was taken to a London club and we had a nice lunch with Edward
and myself and this gentleman," Mr Ascherson remembered.
"After I'd been looked over and tested... I was allowed to receive the news bulletin of eastern European 'product'."

The IRD information was delivered by hand and treated as secret -but Mr Ascherson said he "very rapidly discovered it was
completely useless", since it contained "stale, out of date" news. He found the analysis "childish… very cold warrior", and says
he never relied on the information.

Faked notepaper
According to Mr Lashmar, the officials at the IRD were enjoying the game, competing with the other side.
One complex scheme involved faking a press release from the World Federation of Democratic Youth (WFYD), a Communist
-backed organisation based in Budapest.

In 1963, African students in Bulgaria made international news. Scores had left the country, claiming racial discrimination, and the
IRD decided to use this to "intensify indignation... against Bloc countries".

On fake headed notepaper, the IRD circulated a press release to hundreds of newspapers and opinion formers -sending the
releases via the British diplomatic bag which meant they would have the right postmark. The press release -reprinted in full by
a news agency in Zanzibar -included an offensive statement that the Africans "emerging from the jungle darkness of want,
[they] were not equipped to understand that food, fuel and clothes were not freely attainable..."

African students were furious. The Nigerian student union said this was a declaration of "white superiority".
Some weeks later, the WFYD insisted it had been a fake release...'


Fancy that...! a Government using racial and assumed cultural differences to cause negative reactions in another country and
using several aspects of the mainstream media to do it. I apologise for not reminding the reader that this is from 1963 and being
currently reported in 2019 by an established media, things have changed since then.
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Quote:"Trotskyists" in Islington North
Most of the IRD's efforts were concentrated on foreign news, but occasionally they were employed in the UK.

In 1962 Labour MP for Islington North, Gerry Reynolds, asked for their help.
He feared his local Labour party was being taken over by "a well-organised group of extreme left-wing malcontents, probably
Trotskyists", and wanted the IRD to dig up any information on the individuals concerned.

The IRD turned to the security services, which confirmed that Dorothy Hayward had been a member of the Revolutionary Communist
Party in 1947; that Sidney Lubin had endorsed a Communist council candidate in 1951; and that Francis Dunne had distributed a
Trotskyite newsletter.

This information was "a bit stingy", wrote one IRD officer whose disappointment suggested he had expected more information.
Nonetheless, he passed it on to Mr Reynolds, who remained the MP there until 1969.
It is not known what -if anything -happened to those people the IRD had named...'


A Journalist could have always investigated into... aw forget it.

Quote:'Faked posters
The files show the IRD manufactured and distributed statements from the International Institute for Peace in Vienna on several occasions.
It also faked posters from the International Union of Students, replacing the acronym "US" with Chinese characters, to turn an anti-US
nuclear campaign into an anti-Chinese one.

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This is the first time that IRD's own forgeries have been revealed.
At the time, it was keen to highlight forged documents produced by the Communists. They were known to be prolific: at one point a forged
British cabinet paper was being circulated amongst African leaders.
In North Korea and East Germany, such fakes were produced on an industrial scale, according to files recently released.

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Mr Lashmar said: "Should a democracy be secretly putting out fake or forged material? No. If totalitarian people are manipulating things…
that doesn't mean we should follow suit."...'
BBC:

Totalitarianism is to blame... Journalists were duped, but they're smarter now.
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Kiwi Farms operator Josh Moon doubles down on rebuttal to help New Zealand police with Christchurch terror attack investigation

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The man who operates the Kiwi Farms website has joked about the backlash to his refusal to help New Zealand police in the ongoing Christchurch terror attack investigation.

Joshua Conner Moon, who goes by the username Null on Kiwi Farms, also says he has been contacting ISPs in Aotearoa and demanding to know why they are blocking his website for Kiwi users.

Very quickly after a gunman livestreamed part of his attack on two mosques in Christchurch on Friday that left 50 people dead, the video appeared on Kiwi Farms.


While Facebook, Twitter and Youtube were quick to remove the video from their platforms, Kiwi Farms kept it up - and responded with insults and expletives when contacted by a New Zealand police officer for assistance.


Despite having 'Kiwi' in its name, the website has no association with New Zealand; rather, the name was adapted from its former title of 'CWCki Forums'.


Moon laughs about the situation in a three-hour interview posted on YouTube by Nick Rekieta, a lawyer based in the US state of Minnesota.
"Your website has seemingly attracted the attention of the biggest and most terrifying of governments that the world has ever known," says a giggling Rekieta.

"Did they 'haka' you via email?"

The pair joke about New Zealand's response to the Christchurch terror attack footage and suggest that if Moon was extradited to Aotearoa, Sir Peter Jackson may pick him up from the airport to have him play a hobbit in his next film.


Applauding Moon's reply to the police email about New Zealand being a "shithole country" with "f****t law", Rekieta says: "The way you have to deal with police and government coming at you is with force".

Also in the video, Moon complains about New Zealand ISPs blocking his website at a DNS level, in an attempt to limit internet users in Aotearoa from accessing the video of the Christchurch terror attack.

"It's preposterous... It's hard to tell if this is a conscious effort by the ISPs themselves, or a request of the government," says Moon.

"I contacted three ISPs in New Zealand that people said had been DNS black-holing Kiwi Farms... the one that replied was Spark."

He then incredulously reads out the email he got from a Spark customer service representative, which explains why it is trying to block video of
the Christchurch mass shooting.

Moon and Rekieta both agree that child pornography is the only type of content that should not be allowed to be shared online - arguing strongly that graphic videos of murder, even when they're terrorist propaganda, are in the public interest to be uncensored and freely available.

"Everything should be accessible, all the time," says Moon.


"I agree, 100 percent," says Rekieta.

"As long as it's not illegal - and I mean not illegal in the US, because I don't trust any other existence right now to have the free speech protection to say that 'illegal' means it should be illegal.


The video of the Christchurch mosque shooting was linked to in a post made seemingly by the gunman himself on 8chan, a notorious online forum that has similar content and a similar history to Kiwi Farms.


In the Rekieta interview, Moon explains that he was informed of the 8chan post so quickly he was able to access the video before it was removed from Facebook.


"I clicked through to the Facebook link and it's still up, so I'm like 'Oh shit'. I have my archive tools on standby, live 24/7... so I [download the video], immediately, throw it up on the site and create a thread," says Moon. 


He goes on to say his hosting of the video stayed up while most other websites removed it - resulting in a huge increase in traffic to Kiwi Farms, resulting in bandwith problems.


"My little website, you do want attention for it, but you don't want to be the 'school shooter website'. We've made the news multiple times now, because of our affiliations with - like it's three times at this point."

He then mentions two times users of Kiwi Farms had either carried out fatal shootings, or been thwarted in attempting one.
Meanwhile, Moon's response to the New Zealand police has been reported on elsewhere, with other alleged actions of his also being brought into the spotlight.

"Before he founded Kiwi Farms, Moon was sacked as an administrator for 8chan for allegedly promoting paedophilia. He is notorious for his online stalking and harassment campaigns, which have featured threats to 'rape, murder and dismember' his mainly female victims," reports news.com.au.


"In 2016, Moon was linked to a series of online threats to harm children in Florida, where he shares a home with his mother, forcing dozens of schools into lockdown."


Kiwi Farms users are posting links to the coverage and joking about it, particularly instances of media referring to them as 'incels', or involuntary celibates - an online subculture of men who claim they are unable to find sexual or romantic partners.


More allegations about Moon's online behaviour and its connection to real-world violence are posted on several websites online.

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2019-03-17 - New Zealand Police: "We would like to preserve any posts and technical data including IP addresses, email addresses etc" -

Quote:On 3/17/2019 6:12 AM, MICHAEL, John (JP) wrote:


Good afternoon

I am hoping that you can help us with an investigation the New Zealand Police are working on.

On 15 March 2019 there was a shooting in New Zealand with multiple fatalities at two mosques in the city of Christchurch.

The alleged offender in this matter is a Brenton TARRANT.

At around the time of the shooting there were a number of posts and links posted on kiwifarms.net <http://kiwifarms.net> relating to the shooting and TARRANT

We would like to preserve any posts and technical data including IP addresses, email addresses etc linked to these posts pending a formal legal request .

Could you please advise what legal process you require for this request and also confirm preservation of the data requested pending legal process.

Kind regards

John

John Michael_
_Detective Senior Sergeant*
*E-mail: john.michael@police.govt.nz <mailto:john.michael@police.govt.nz>

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WARNING

The information contained in this email message is intended for the addressee only and may contain privileged information. It may also be subject to the provisions of section 50 of the Policing Act 2008, which creates an offence to have unlawful possession of Police property. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or have received this message in error, you must not peruse, use, distribute or copy this message or any of its contents.

Also note, the views expressed in this message may not necessarily reflect those of the New Zealand Police. If you have received this message in error, please email or telephone the sender immediately

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Is this a joke? I'm not turning over information about my users. The person responsible for posting the video and manifesto PDF is myself.

I feel real bad for you guys, you've got a quiet nation and now this attack is going to be the first thing people think of for the next 10 years when they hear the name New Zealand, but you can't do this. Tell your superiors they're going to make the entire country and its government look like clowns by trying to censor the Internet. You're a small, irrelevant island nation barely more recognizable than any other nameless pacific sovereignty. You do not have the clout to eradicate a video from the Internet and you do not have the legal reach to imprison everyone whose posted it. If anyone turns over to you the information they're asking for they're not only cowards, but they're fucking idiots.

My name is Joshua Moon, I'm a US Citizen living overseas. My company is contained within a Florida company. If you need an address to send physical documents to this works.

Lolcow LLC
913 Beal Pkwy NW
Suite A-1017
Fort Walton Beach, FL 32547

If you're wondering, no. Kiwi Farms has nothing to do with New Zealand. Our name is a pointed jab at some of the mushmouthed autistic people we make fun of. Absolutely nothing about our community is NZ oriented.

And I don't give a single solitary fuck what section 50 of your faggot law say about sharing your email. Fuck you and fuck your shithole country.

- Josh

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Hi Josh

Appreciate your quick response.

Will definitely consider what you have said.

Regards

John

John Michael
Detective Senior Sergeant
E-mail: john.michael@police.govt.nz
 

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Website Kiwi Farms refuses to surrender data linked to accused Christchurch terrorist Brendan Tarrant A notorious web forum has refused requests to surrender data from posts about the accused NZ terrorist, instead unleashing a profane rant.

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The American operator of a controversial website has smacked down a request by New Zealand police to hand over data linked to posts and video links that appeared on the site as the Christchurch terrorist attack unfolded.

In an obscenity-laden email, Kiwi Farms founder Joshua Moon dismissed the plea by Detective Senior Sergeant John Michael as “a joke”, labelling New Zealand “a small, irrelevant island nation” and “s***hole country”.

Moon is a former administrator of 8chan, the online message board where Brenton Tarrant posted details of his sick plan, along with a 73-page manifesto, hours before allegedly carrying out New Zealand’s deadliest terrorist attack.

Kiwi Farms, 8chan and a third online message board called Voat are popular with incels (involuntary celibates), an online subculture of men who claim they are unable to find sexual or romantic partners.
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Joshua Conner Moon, 28, is a serial stalker who was linked to a 2016 spate of school shooting hoaxs in Florida. Picture: Creative CommonsSource:Supplied

Australian national Tarrant, 28, is in custody on murder charges after the massacre of 50 worshippers at two Christchurch mosques, which left 50 dead and dozens more wounded.

Moon — an alt-right, anti-feminist, pro-white Trump supporter who claims he set up Kiwi Farms for the “gossip and exploitation of the mentally handicapped for amusement purposes” — published the exchange with Detective Michael without bothering to hide the officer’s email address.

“I am hoping that you can help us with an investigation the New Zealand Police are working on,” Det Michael wrote in an email dated March 17.

“On 15 March 2019 there was a shooting in New Zealand with multiple fatalities at two mosques in the city of Christchurch. The alleged offender in this matter is a Brenton TARRANT.

“At around the time of the shooting there were a number of posts and links posted on kiwifarms.net relating to the shooting and TARRANT.

“We would like to preserve any posts and technical data including IP addresses, email addresses etc linked to these posts pending a formal legal request.”
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New Zealand Police confirmed the email exchange between Detective Michael and Kiwi Farms operator Joshua Moon was genuine. Picture: Kiwi FarmsSource:Supplied

Moon shot back: “Is this a joke? I’m not turning over information about my users.

“The person responsible for posting the video and manifesto PDF is myself.”

He continued: “I feel real bad for you guys, you’ve got a quiet nation and now this attack is going to be the first thing people think of for the next 10 years when they hear the name New Zealand, but you can’t do this.

“Tell your superiors they’re going to make the entire country and its government look like clowns by trying to censor the internet.

“You’re a small irrelevant island nation barely more recognisable than any other nameless pacific sovereignty. You do not have the clout to eradicate a video from the internet and you do not have the legal reach to imprison everyone who posted it.

“If anyone turns over to you the information they’re asking for they’re not only cowards but they’re f***ing idiots.”
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Joshua Moon’s foul-mouthed rant at Christchurch Police Detective Senior Sergeant John Michaels. Picture: Kiwi FarmsSource:Supplied
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Christchurch terrorist attack investigator Detective John Michael’s measured response to Moon’s obscenity filled tirade. Picture: Kiwi FarmsSource:Supplied

Moon followed up with another email abusing New Zealand authorities for their efforts to remove footage of the rampage, which was livestreamed by Tarrant and has been circulating online ever since.

Facebook says it has removed more than 1.5 million videos from the social media platform but uncensored footage continues to be reskinned and shared on Kiwi Farms, 8chan and another message board called Voat.

That’s despite a warning from New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern that anyone caught downloading or distributing such material — especially the killer’s 17 minute bodycam footage — faces up to 10 years jail.

“I don’t give a single solitary f**k what section 50 of your faggot laws say about sharing your email,” Moon ranted in the second email.

“F**k you and f**k your s***hole country, Kiwi Farms has nothing to do with New Zealand. “Our name is a pointed jab at some of the mushmouthed autistic people we make fun of. Absolutely nothing about our community is NZ oriented.

To his credit, Det Michael refused to bite, replying instead with a polite acknowledgment of Moon’s views.

“Hi Josh,” he wrote. “Appreciate your quick response. Will definitely consider what you have said. Regards, John.”

New Zealand police verified the authenticity of the email exchange in a statement to news.com.au.

“I can confirm New Zealand Police made contact with the website as part of the ongoing investigation into the Christchurch terror attacks,” a spokeswoman said.

Before he founded Kiwi Farms, Moon was sacked as an administrator for 8chan for allegedly promoting paedophilia. He is notorious for his online stalking and harassment campaigns, which have featured threats to “rape, murder and dismember” his mainly female victims.

In 2016, Moon was linked to a series of online threats to harm children in Florida, where he shares a home with his mother, forcing dozens of schools into lockdown.

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