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[England] The Liverpool Explosion.
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(11-17-2021, 06:45 PM)Bally002 Wrote:
(11-16-2021, 07:01 PM)Ninurta Wrote:
(11-16-2021, 05:38 PM)F2d5thCav Wrote: @"BIAD" 

That puts a twist on the situation.

From what I understand, apostasy is a huge no-no in Islam.  So then his application was turned down.  I wonder if he thought he'd rather go out as a suicide bomber ... to appease Allah? ... to restore his image in the eyes of the Muslim community ... as an act of revenge against a community that had (legally) rejected him after he had cut his ties with his community of origin?

Cheers

That is a possibility, and yes, apostasy is a big bad no-no in Islam. You are given 3 days to rethink that decision, and if, at the end of the 3 days, you have not recanted back to Islam, you are fair game for any Muslim moving. I had a fatwa on me when I left Islam. Grace was spared that, because no one here knows she was ever Muslim, and no one from where she was from knew she had converted.

Another possibility is the concept of taqqiya - that he was lying about his conversion and merely living as a Christian, playing the part, in an attempt to set those around him at ease so that they would not suspect what he was up to.

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Your last paragraph here that I've highlighted outlines my thoughts on the subject.  Are there others in the community using this tactic.  Perhaps those in the Christian faith might be mindful of who they sponsor and convert to their beliefs.

Regards,

Bally

Edit - Dammit, the paragraph won't highlight.  :) 

(mod note: You've got to highlight quoted text with color as I did here - for some reason I've never been able to figure out, bold just doesn't bold like it ought to in quotes. - Ninurta)

It's my understanding that taqqiyah was started so that Muslims of one variety could "pass" as Muslims of another variety so that they wouldn't be killed by those other Muslims, but it was also allowed so as to infiltrate kafr (any non-muslim) communities. Under such circumstances, they are even allowed to eat pork if they have to in order to pass, although if they can find a plausible excuse not to, they won't.

Since taqqiyah was started to pass as the other in other Muslim communities, it was a natural extension of it to allow it so they could pass in non-muslim communities as well. Once the reach a critical mass (around 10%) in other communities, they stop trying to pass and start trying to dictate, and the most "fundamental" among them are the most vociferous and violent, and it is they who generally direct community actions as the majority just seek to get along with them so as not to be killed themselves.

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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.

Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’




Messages In This Thread
[England] The Liverpool Explosion. - by BIAD - 11-15-2021, 03:53 PM
RE: [England] The Liverpool Explosion. - by BIAD - 11-15-2021, 07:30 PM
RE: [England] The Liverpool Explosion. - by BIAD - 11-16-2021, 07:11 PM
RE: [England] The Liverpool Explosion. - by BIAD - 11-16-2021, 09:58 AM
RE: [England] The Liverpool Explosion. - by BIAD - 11-16-2021, 01:48 PM
RE: [England] The Liverpool Explosion. - by BIAD - 11-16-2021, 05:50 PM
RE: [England] The Liverpool Explosion. - by Ninurta - 11-17-2021, 07:03 PM
RE: [England] The Liverpool Explosion. - by BIAD - 11-17-2021, 07:29 PM

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