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Why the difference in death rates from covid 19
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(08-07-2020, 05:11 AM)hutch622 Wrote: I was looking through the stats for cv19 and for the life of me i cant work out why the discrepancy in death rates around the world , especially amongst the 5 eyes nations . First up the world average sits at 3.76% which is a vast improvement over earlier day . 
now for 5 eye nations .
Australia = 1.28%
Canada = 7.57%
New Zealand = 1.4%
United Kingdom = 15.04%
United States = 3.27% 
I would have thought our hospital systems to be roughly on par , certainly our medium ages are sort of close going from 38-42 . Life expectancy was between 79 and 83 years old so overall no huge discrepancies . Reporting criteria maybe ? . Scratching my head here a little , any ideas .
Thoughts RN3 .
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Life expectancy
Medium age

Hi @Hutch622,

My own opinion is that there is no real consensus over how to gather covid-19/coronavirus/SARS-2 etc death related data.
So, each country has it's own system, and as @guohua mentioned, in one or two (like USA) the figures are skewed because of the way their healthcare system works. (But not many!)

I believe that early intervention and control measures have reaped rewards for those countries with strong leadership. (Like NZ)
Those countries that recognised the danger, and implemented measures to counteract the spread of the virus early seem to have fared much better than those countries that hesitated and dithered.

Boris Johnston (UK) and his advisors are a prime example of what NOT to do.
They bumbled, flim-flammed, hesitated and contradicted themselves throughout the early days of the virus (and beyond).
They broke their own rules on several occasions leading to complete and utter confusion and loss of credibility in the eyes of the public. (On TV shaking hands after advising the public NOT to shake hands,  advisor (Dominic Cummings) driving hundreds of miles to a holiday cottage after telling public that they couldn't travel... etc)
They left UK airports wide-open to visitors (even from the hardest hit areas of the world) with no virus testing measures in place, even after official "lock-down" had started in the UK.
They fucked up the procurement and provision of PPE (Personal Protective Equipment) for our front line healthcare staff and care workers, even ignoring UK suppliers of PPE who notified them many many times that we had MILLIONS of suitable masks, gloves etc in stock in the UK, whilst they were trying to source cheaper, inferior and ultimately unsuitable stocks from Turkey and elsewhere. The UK suppliers eventually selling their surplus stocks into the EU (and beyond).
They gave contracts for provision of ventilators etc to their own "Business Associates" leading to unnecessary delays and (again) unsuitable equipment being bought...
They allowed (nay INSISTED) that hospital beds were freed up by moving elderly patients out into care homes WITHOUT PROPER TESTING or protective measures in place. This spread the virus quickly into the most vulnerable sector of the UK population (approx 50% of covid related deaths are in the over 75's).
In short - if it was possible to fuck it up, they did.

Compare that with NZ (or other countries) who closed their airports and went into lock down quickly, early and efficiently and it's no surprise that they fared much better, both with infection rates and death rates.

btw - If anyone wants to look at the TRUE impact of this virus on the death rates, do NOT trust the "official" Covid figures!
Look instead at the "excess death" figures.
These are the ACTUAL numbers of deaths which have occurred, over and above the "normal" expected death figures for this period. (The expected death rates are calculated by averaging out the death rates for the same period over a number of previous years.)
THOSE figures will let you see EXACTLY how much worse this year has been (for deaths) when compared directly with previous years. (Other factors can affect the overall death rates, e.g. major natural disasters, war zones, other pandemics etc but for countries which are not seriously affected by these, only the "excess" deaths will give a good indication of how covid-19 has affected your region/country.)

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RE: Why the difference in death rates from covid 19 - by gordi - 08-07-2020, 08:30 AM

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