Putting God back into schools.

[NightskyeB4Dawn]

These kids have been failed by everyone around them, and been socialized by machines and screens, rather than flesh and blood. face to face people.

The crazy shit that society puts out there via those machines and screens wrecks their formative young minds, and then you get what we see happening.

Society wrecks them, and then acts surprised that they are a wreck.

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[Ninurta]

Agreed, there's always bad seeds that are simply born with some wires crossed, no matter their upbringing.  So you agree then, that bringing God back to schools won't solve anything?  That's what I believe.  Seems like it comes down to the parents of those very few, born-bad people, closely monitoring their child for red flags.  

That can be difficult too, as kids aren't always honest with their parents in their teenage years.  "How was school today?"  

"Oh, it was great."  Even though they get bullied.

I don't think God is the solution here.  I think the only way to ensure this doesn't happen, or at least GREATLY reduce the possibility, is to place armed security at schools, along with cameras that are monitored.  All that can be done for way less than half of what we we're sending Ukraine.

Granted, that would take care of schools.  Evil people like that would simply choose another target.

As I said above, I'm not certain God was ever booted from schools. I don't understand what folks are talking about when they say that. When I was in school lo those many years ago (over 50 years ago), no teachers or administrators were allowed to promote any religion, and no teachers or administrators were allowed to prevent the exercise of a religion. I don't know that has changed. Government and government representatives are prohibited from doing either by the First Amendment in the Bill of Rights.

When I was a kid, my best friend was a Jehovah's Witness. He was not allowed to say the Pledge of Allegiance, because they believe that makes the flag into a "false idol". So, when we said the pledge every morning, Tony just stood there with his arms clasped behind his back while the rest of us recited it. No one forced him to "exercise a religion" and no one prevented him from exercising his own.

Whether a kid wants to pray in a school, in a park, at a ball game, or driving down the road, no one has the right to stop them. If a kid does not want to pray, anywhere, no one has the right to force them to. It's the parents' prerogative to determine whether a kid should have a religious module installed, or not, until that kid becomes an adult. It's not the school's say, either way.

If a god is a part of that kid's moorings, his foundation in a culture, then by all means "bring it back" if it has ever been prohibited, to help keep that kid from coming unglued and shooting up a bunch of folks. That is not for the State to determine, it is not the State's choice in either direction, for or against.

If a kid lies to his parent, that too is a parental fault in their upbringing. If the parent doesn't do anything that would make a kid think lying was a good idea, then the kid won't lie... unless he or she is just one of those "bad seeds".

And yes, tighter security is a really good idea at schools. There are all sorts of crazies out there these days, and even if all proper protocols were implemented tomorrow to rectify the insanity problem, those pre-existing crazies will still be out there until their numbers fall off due to natural or unnatural attrition. So tighter security is a good idea regardless of God's presence in a school or whether God has to wait outside the fence like a drug dealer. I think tighter school security could be implemented nation wide for only 1/20th of just the most recent hand out to the Ukraine.

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[gordi]

IMHO Morals have nothing whatsoever to do with Religion and vice-versa.

What is acceptable to one faith can be completely unacceptable to another faith for example.

Catholic priests abusing choirboys... Nuns abusing young single mothers... Religious fanatics shooting/stabbing/crashing vehicles into followers of other faiths... Jihads & The Execution of "non-believers"... Religious wars and "Ethnic Cleansing" of other faiths... ALL of the perpetrators of these crimes were Religious but had dubious morals.

Putting God (back) into Schools is not the answer for me.
Putting basic Good Morals back into education could be.
But re-establishing the traditional family unit, with the experienced elder members leading the younger ones, and an Adult parent actually staying at home raising the kids, instead of both parents (in the traditional family model) being pressurised into going out to work... Now, That just might work.


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[NightskyeB4Dawn]

As I said above, I'm not certain God was ever booted from schools. I don't understand what folks are talking about when they say that. When I was in school lo those many years ago (over 50 years ago), no teachers or administrators were allowed to promote any religion, and no teachers or administrators were allowed to prevent the exercise of a religion. I don't know that has changed. Government and government representatives are prohibited from doing either by the First Amendment in the Bill of Rights.

When I was a kid, my best friend was a Jehovah's Witness. He was not allowed to say the Pledge of Allegiance, because they believe that makes the flag into a "false idol". So, when we said the pledge every morning, Tony just stood there with his arms clasped behind his back while the rest of us recited it. No one forced him to "exercise a religion" and no one prevented him from exercising his own.

Whether a kid wants to pray in a school, in a park, at a ball game, or driving down the road, no one has the right to stop them. If a kid does not want to pray, anywhere, no one has the right to force them to. It's the parents' prerogative to determine whether a kid should have a religious module installed, or not, until that kid becomes an adult. It's not the school's say, either way.

If a god is a part of that kid's moorings, his foundation in a culture, then by all means "bring it back" if it has ever been prohibited, to help keep that kid from coming unglued and shooting up a bunch of folks. That is not for the State to determine, it is not the State's choice in either direction, for or against.

If a kid lies to his parent, that too is a parental fault in their upbringing. If the parent doesn't do anything that would make a kid think lying was a good idea, then the kid won't lie... unless he or she is just one of those "bad seeds".

And yes, tighter security is a really good idea at schools. There are all sorts of crazies out there these days, and even if all proper protocols were implemented tomorrow to rectify the insanity problem, those pre-existing crazies will still be out there until their numbers fall off due to natural or unnatural attrition. So tighter security is a good idea regardless of God's presence in a school or whether God has to wait outside the fence like a drug dealer. I think tighter school security could be implemented nation wide for only 1/20th of just the most recent hand out to the Ukraine.

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In the tiny little village that I grew up in, it is amazing now when I look back, at how many churches there were. We had a Baptist Church, Catholic, Seven Day Adventist, Jehovah Witness, Methodist, Lutheran, and a Holy Roller Church. We had more churches than people. But of course folk from neighboring villages attended these churches.

Sunday was a day that us kids hung out together and took advantage of the food and desserts which were present after almost every service, at all the churches. The churches were all within walking distance.

We never cared what religion anyone belonged to. We all knew to say grace before eating. We said our prayers before going to sleep. And we listened to our elders say prayers for the sick and the needy. We said the pledge of alliance the beginning of each school day, and it was just normal. We did not put any thought or angst into it.

We had a couple of folk that were a bit "funny". I never knew of any hostilities shown toward them. We liked them, we respected them. They got the same titles of Sir and Ma'am as all the other adults. I did not find out until I was in my teens what "a little bit funny" actually meant. People minded their business, and as a child, it was frowned upon that you carry stories from one house to another. Unless it was something that you knew to be wrong, then you were sort of obligated to tell your parents.

I know about one case, and have seen one example of community justice. I was too young to know that things were done any other way. We had a sheriff, but I lived during that time when we did not have telephones. Someone would have to drive to town and we would have to wait until the sheriff had time to show up, which could have taken days, depending on the complaint.

Incidents of child abuse or spousal abuse were pretty much handled by the folk in the community, and like I said, I was only aware of two incidents in childhood, before phones and televisions.

I think maybe people do need to be less dependent on government and more dependent on each other. It seemed to work a lot better than.