Concept of deterrence

[Ninurta]

There is also a manual written for Congress that I had called "The Effects of Nuclear War", but I haven't found a link to it yet as an online resource. Other stuff I had, detailing Soviet capabilities and weapons systems is surely out of date by now - all my access to it was back in the early 80's.

do you remember the publishing date, would it have been in the late seventies like 1979. If so check this one out from the library of congress.

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The Effects of Nuclear War

That's the one - thanks! Now I have it in PDF.


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[Ninurta]

I think this says it all, a horrible type of weapon that doesn't benefit a winner or a loser, but an ideal
threat to not contemplate using it.

We have alot of sick psychopaths ruling over us, but I think one good reason they wouldn't use nukes is because they don't want to destroy all the infrastructure which would negate their digital plans for us. A Bio bomb is much cleaner, especially one injected into the public water supply which a Michigan professor recently proposed, on doing covertly, not to kill, but act like a morality pill of control. Like in that movie "The Giver" with the daily vaxx therapy to neutralize human emotions.

I for one am not interested in a daily Social Control dose of "medicine". They had that in the film "Equilibrium", and in the end it didn't work out so well for the controllers when a few key people went off their meds.

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[Ninurta]

Very very hard to get things going against a threat with such a short flight time.

We may be referring to different things as "tactical nukes" - the ones I'm talking about were also referred to as "battlefield nukes", and were generally supercharged howitzer shells with low-yield nuclear payloads that had a damage radius measured in meters. anywhere from 500 to 1000 meters. They weren't really a danger to anyone not on the battlefield, or farther away than howitzer range. In order for Russians to hit us with those, they would have to disembark with howitzer batteries here in the US.

Same sheet of music, Brother.

Tac nukes/Battlefield nukes can make a mess if their blast radius sucks up dirt. Most of the planning for the use of these was against softer targets (troops in the open).  We were surely going to (try to) use them up into the '80s if the NORKs invaded South Korea. I guess they've got another way to stop that these days.

They call artillery the King of Battle for a reason.  Getting shelled by the conventional stuff will make you a believer.  Can't imagine a battery of those sending the kind that make mushroom clouds (even if they're small).

Back in the day, Release Authority rested at the O-6 level for non-conventional artillery strikes.  It was still a complicated drill putting that type of ordinance into a tube.  I never thought it could be accomplished should the balloon actually go up, but it was good times and they're all in the past now.

How does @"F2d5thCav"'s signature block read?  Fading anachronism? -chuckle- Aren't we all?

Atomic Cannon crowd pleaser...



Or the W-54 Davy Crocket




The Day Called X (1957) – Dramatized atomic evacuation of Portland, Oregon. (27 min)

Thank you for those videos. They took us back, some of us, anyhow. Several of the members here grew up under the threat of "nuclear annihilation", myself included.

We remember the days of the drills to hide under your desk at school to save you from "the bomb". The running joke back then was that the purpose of the exercise was really just to get you into position to kiss your own ass goodbye.

Regarding the last one, "A Day Called X" in Portland OR, I think that the nuclear annihilation of Portland would have been preferable to what has actually played out there...

It may well be that I will never forgive the Soviets for not erasing Portland, LA, New York, Denver, and Chicago when they had the chance. It might have solved a whole lot of trouble the US is facing today, 50 or 60 years on. I personally think the rest of the problem areas would have figured out how the rabbit eats the cabbage if just the Big Five had been erased.

But that's just me. I'm old and grouchy.

ETA: I do like how they keep flashing on-screen "an attack is not taking place". No repeats of the "War off the Worlds" scenario.

I liked the line "if the government does not survive, it's people do not survive". I thought that was bullshit then, and I still think it's bullshit now. The government comes from  the People, not the other way round, so it's bass-ackwards.

However, we realize that was 1957 style propaganda. In the actual event, since no plan survives first contact, their carefully crafted plan as presented would have gone all to shit inside 3 minutes.


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[Ninurta]

If all else fails, you know who to send.

Buckaroo Bonzai! Do it, baby! Ride that dragon to the end!

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