Unwinding Time Travel Using Primordial QiGong, Herbal Alchemy And The Mandella Effect

[OmegaLogos]

Explanation: Here is some background to how I came across the information that I am going to post further below in this OP ...

I was reading an article suggested in my news feed that said China had banned time travel!

China decides to ban time travel. [techland.time.com]

When China banned time travel. [strangerdimensions.com]

And then my news feed suggested that I read an article on China banning Falun-Gong practitioners ... and I wondered why?

Persecution of Falun Gong [wiki]

Now I am aware that Falun-Gong practitioners are health fanatics and do a form of tai-chi involving breathing techniques called Qigong and so I looked that up on wiki ...

Primordial Qigong [wiki]

And I read it and lo and behold .... looky here ... [note all edits to bold and underline are MINE for emphasis ok]

Roger Jahnke has written in The Healing Promise of Qi,[2] quoting Dr. Chen: "The form called Primordial Qigong [Wuji Qigong] reverses time to reconnect the practitioner with the past and with their prebirth state to alter the course of the future. I practiced this Qigong faithfully and took some herbal formulas and, over some time, completely recovered from cancer."

And it all suddenly made sense to me!

Here is a video of somebody performing the Wuji Qigong kata ...



Please Note the 4 cardinal directions! [ I will return to this later in the OP as its importance will become more clearer as I unravel a few more things.]

Next we come to herbs and by mere chance I heard a radio show on herbal alchemy [how fortuitous ] and how alchemist used to make their own 7 basic herbal elixers based on plants and their planets.

So I went and look those lists up and according to my own astrology star chart and cross referencing with the herb+planet lists I came up with the following 7 herbs best suited to me ...

Sun = Rosemary [mercury in leo]

Moon = Peppermint [moon in cancer]

Mercury = Parsley/Cilantro  [sun + rising in virgo]

Venus = Thyme  [venus in cancer]

Mars = Garlic [mars in virgo]

Jupiter = Sage [jupiter in sagittaurius]

Saturn = Cannabis [saturn in gemini]

I completed the 10 astrological  planets out with Uranus = Lavender , Neptune = Mugwort and Pluto = Basil  and the full mix of 10 herbs shall make my version of Four Thieves Vinegar/Oil [wiki]

Here are the plant/planet lists websites links ....

http://www.quintessentialalchemy.com/the...asics.html

http://humanityhealing.net/2012/08/astro...-of-herbs/

http://www.herbsociety.org/events/docume...andout.pdf  [caution pdf at your own risk ok]

http://www.jwmt.org/v1n9/prima.html Herbal Alchemy on a Budget by Alex Sumner

I use https://alabe.com/freechart/ for my free astrology star chart!

I am hoping that guohua can chime in with some chinese herbs that might be appropriate to take when  trying to time travel.

Here is why I think time travel is possible ... its a long story and relates to the 4 cardinal directions [which seem to be important in alchemy as well] ...

We all have a heart that pumps blood and a brain that thinks with a mind ... both emit an EM field ... [some may call this an aura with chakras and I'd deeply agree] ...



The earth and the sun also emit EM fields ...



And all these things are constantly moving in relation to each other and things get wound up and we get wounded and so its wise to unwind with herbs and tai chi + breathing exercises in ritualistic fashion [ie routinely with purpose and magical willpower aka intent]

Returning to what is said in the primordial qigong wiki ... [note; Again all edits to bold and underline are mine for emphasis] ...

The Ba gua is integrated into the Primordial Qigong form: the eight trigrams are represented by the placement of the body in the Center facing the cardinal directions and awareness of the intercardinal directions: northeast, southeast, northwest and southwest, as one turns both counter-clockwise and clockwise throughout the form.

It goes deeper and more complex than this as I fully believe we live on a mobius strip reality with left and right hand dimensions [and yet within the realms of science using spinors] but i will save that for another thread .... for now this is enough [I have probably already blown your mind that time travel doesn't need  machine like the tardis  ]

Now still staying within the boundaries of maths and science ... we seem to be living in a multiverse where everything that can happen is happening and that there is an infinite number of me in an infinite amount of other universes ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse

And for those of us who have experienced the mandella effect ...

MANDELA GASLIGHTING EFFECT [rogue-nation3.com]

I feel that we can exploit that by doing qigong and taking herbs ...somehow during the performance of the kata ones light cone gets tilted [bends gravity] in ones favor and the entire reality literally changes from within to without spontaneously and you time slip into a  better place [or not ..depends on your intent ok].

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_cone

Personal Disclosure: I know this sounds insane [aka woo] or too technical [aka batshit crazy woo] but I have kept it as simple as I can without boring you with extreme amounts of technical details or going to occult and esoteric. Its bare bones metaphysical time travel that you can do in your backyard for free.

At the worst you will become calmer, stronger and healthier than you are now!

Does anybody have any questions or comments?

[Mystic Wanderer]

Excellent thread.    

It will take me some time to get through all this, which I don't have at the moment, but I certainly want to delve into all this later.

Bookmarked!  

[Minstrel]

In some manner, it seems that the rolling-back-time aspect is similar to the Recapitulation described by Carlos Castaneda - where, theoretically (at least), one unwinds all of the energetic entanglements of their life(time) back to the beginning...such that their Energy is as pure as a newborn baby's.

Has your practice of these techniques given optimistic results?

[OmegaLogos]

In some manner, it seems that the rolling-back-time aspect is similar to the Recapitulation described by Carlos Castaneda - where, theoretically (at least), one unwinds all of the energetic entanglements of their life(time) back to the beginning...such that their Energy is as pure as a newborn baby's.

Has your practice of these techniques given optimistic results?

Explanation: That has two parts and i shall address them as follows ...

A] Yes that is exactlly in agreement with what was said in the wiki on qigong!

B] To be completely honest I have only just come across this information [which is all on the web in plain view for anybody to go read and collect and sort through etc.] in the past year or so and I have yet to learn any qigong or make any herbal elixers and so I haven't even started yet but I felt that what I had collected so far information wise was worth sharing and also allows me to have a repository for any future updates etc.

Personal Disclosure: I am hoping to bring in the breath/sound aspects also to this as I believe singing/chanting [in a stone or faerie circle during an full moon/ new moon/ eclipse etc] may also be very important [I didn't have room in the title for that though so I left it out of the OP for now]. I have a strong faith that this is worth while doing even if it doesn't result in time travel and its seems logical to try it out asap ... BUT I need good tai chi master to teach me and good non gmo heirloom seed herbs [which I am hoping to plant and grow them for myself] and I haven't yet done that!

Just to be safe .... @ EVERYONE: Time Travel at your OWN risk! ok.

[guohua]

The arrest of Chinese Citizens Practising Falun Gong was mainly because the Central Committee seen the practise as a Religion and the founder Li Hongzhi was being praised and worship in a way that made them nervous.
The citizens that were openly practicing Falun Gong in public had been warned not to months before the arrest.

I read the Wiki link and I have to say, the vast majority were Fined and Released and they knew that they would be watched and their daily Lives Monitor for a period of time.
The ones that were actually detained or imprisoned were the actual spiritual Leaders that organized and continued to ignore orders to stop and disburse.

Now the Practise of Organs removal in China was common.
Something Westerns don't understand, up until 2000 or so, no one in China could afford Health Insurance, NO, Healthcare in China Was Not Free!
Doctors expected to be paid the price they requested and No, there was no Set Price By A Medical Board or The Hospital For Your Treatment or Surgery.
Many a Man, Woman, Child and Baby has Died in the Hospital Waiting Area because they couldn't Afford The Coast For Their Treatment.

If you could come up with the money for your Surgery, you must have family members there to care for you, No the coast did not include your Sheets being clean, you being bathed or clean and your family needed to bring you food to eat, No you didn't have the option of choosing your meals each day from a menu and there's no Patient Cafeteria.
They only supplied you with the absolute need for survival, IV's and Pain meds.

So, for the coast of the surgery or extended treatment for a Child or Baby or a Loved One, a Healthy Family Member would sell one of their Organs to the Doctor or Hospital.

This is another reason why, Herbal Medicines and Ancient Medical Practices are still used in China today, That includes Working Out In The City Parks and practicing Falun Gong.
Just don't make the practice of Falun Gong Your Religion and have Posters and Rallies and Chant His Name and you'll be OK.


I just had to explain this in your Thread OL, because Wiki is good put it's wrote by people who sometimes distort the facts for their own agenda.
Hope you aren't upset with me.
Sorry I know Nothing Of Time Travel in China!
guohua

[Ninurta]

@"OmegaLogos"

You are on the right track. The "multiverse" is the correct model, in which everything that ever was, is, or ever will be coexist simultaneously - they are all "now". Furthermore, all of those "nows" are augmented with all possiblie nows, all potential "could be's" also coexist simultaneously. they, too, are all "now". More confusingly, they all exist in the same place - not a universe here and another over there, but both, ALL in the same exact space.

Most space, right down to atoms and even below, is just empty space - or appears to be, to us. That's because we are in tune with just our own reality, the one we happen to be in at the instant. We can't see the others, usually, because we are out of tune with them - just like you can't listen to a particular radio station unless you are tuned in to the right frequency to hear it. This concept also has implications for "missing mass" or "dark matter" that at the moment has physicist types so puzzled when observations don't match models in all particulars.

The Ummo Documents explain a similar concept by speaking of "phase", i think they called it. Those are geared towards space travel, but there is a time travel element involved as well, in order to traverse space in a reasonable amount of time. What you mention or visualize as a "cone of light" sounds to me like a visualization of a phase shift or re-tuning to a different reality, another "now", or even potentially another "where", assuming the possibility of shifting position while also shifting phase.

How you choose to do that is entirely up to you, and it sounds like you are developing a plan.

[BIAD]

My four sisters and I grew up in a family that was fortunate to have an.. an ability to tell the
future via playing cards! (I did have a fifth sister, but I only learned of her when I was well into
my twenties. My Mother just happened to mention it!)

So it was this talent to dip into the deep pool of spacial-chronology that was mainly on my
Mother's side. She would occasionally explain in her bumbling, not-so word-tasting manner
that all the past, present and future were going on as she spoke.
It was just like breathing to her.

During the night, she would awake screaming and much to the annoyance of my pragmatic
'if I can see it I can kill it' -Father, shout out at invisible 'somethings' that circled the ceiling or
floated outside the second-floor bedroom window.

Many times in that tiny house, (I was the only boy and we ony had two bderooms. Ergo, I slept
in my parents room)... I would lay wide-eyed as she gibbered a conversation from her bed with
unknown parties in the dark when my Father was working the night-shift!

Later, when the daylight shooed whatever ethereal beings had intruded my Mother's slumber,
she would tell me about things that were about to happen. The accounts were silly, unimportant
things regarding neighbours and a very vague description of something in the news that would
come to pass.

You see, my Mother's world was small. Incidents that were global meant very little compared
to what Mrs. Miggins down-the-street was up to with the milkman!!
(That's an imaginary example, not a true one!)

I learned that the way she perceived reality was really weird as I grew up, because to her
everything was connected and there was never a start, middle and end point. Time is a fluid
thing that isn't etched in stone and cannot be relied on as an anchor.

As Ninurta comments, the consequences of a decision flows both ways, sideways, up-down
and nowhere at the same moment. The possibilities of that decision will allow alternative past
outcomes to become valid and of course, the future spreads wide like playing cards being
offered by some celestial croupier!
So I'd suggest the present is the only part we may have an handle on and be careful when you
place your bet!

To my Mother, death was merely a failing of the vehicle you moved around in -although she
never said it in those words, and a human's grasp on what it's soul was all about, could never
be fully appreciated even when one had passed on!
'Some of them like it here' -she'd say and get on busying herself with an household task and
her classic comment was 'They just don't get it'

She also told me that idea of 'Life-After-Death' is something that's connected to this puzzle we
call time and she -like myself, I had no idea what it is or how it's involved. So the ghosts aren't
alone with that poser!

I don't do it now, but on some occasions, I used to dabble with the suppose-gift of being able to
read people's futures with playing-cards. I have the Tarot and Rune stones, but it's never felt
quite the same as looking up into the eyes of the someone who turns one of the more-standard
paste-boards over.

You see, the past, present and the future sweep by us every day, the trillions of possibilities of
the future shuffle and slither alongside the more-compact multitudes of the past and the endless
potentialities are -and will be forever incomprehensible to us.

The present is the consequences of individual choice and the ripples of every simple and important
decision undulate out to find their place among that flowing river of promise.
I guess that's why my Ma stuck to the shallows and pondered what would happen if Mr. Miggins
ever came home early.

It's not for our heads and we shouldn't mess with it. There's no harm in carefully peeking over the
grassy-bank of self-conceited assurance of the 'real' and gazing into the swirling eddys and slowing
pools of uncertainty for answers.
But you won't find the meaning of life there and you won't be able to get next week's lottery numbers.
No Sir.

Oh... and a word to the wise. Don't ever think of swimming in there. Ever.

[Minstrel]

...Oh... and a word to the wise. Don't ever think of swimming in there. Ever.

Nothing like a little drama to end a post...  

Have you ever been in the deep end?
I think I have.  It was like facing the Sun without shields.  Flesh stripped to bone.
If this is not what you were referring to...please excuse the misstep...(and if you wouldn't mind - go into a bit more of said drama)
Thanks in advance.

[BIAD]

Have you ever been in the deep end?
I think I have.  It was like facing the Sun without shields.  Flesh stripped to bone.
If this is not what you were referring to...please excuse the misstep...(and if you wouldn't mind - go into a bit more of said drama)
Thanks in advance.

I think Boy In A Dress may have got a little bit carried away there, Minstrel!
His writings can become very theatrical and flowery!

But, it's true that when I asked my Mother about -what I see as some-kind of functioning
mechanism... (I didn't use that expression and she was a simple soul) -she explained that it didn't
work in the manner of a 'On-Off, Order-Chaos' fashion that we tend to lean towards.

My dear long-dead Mom's simple words won't do it justice, so I'l attempt to enhance her explanation.

Space-Time and Multiple Universes.
Many of the reasons why people fail to understand this -and how the hell my Mother could just accept
it, I'll never know! But our confusion results from our core belief-structure that travel of any kind is
physically lateral.

To travel in or through time, firstly is technically inaccurate and what must be stated is that to access
any instance in the past, we have to understand that this only a possible outcome.
This universe's history could be deemed a 'factual instant' and to most, it would be assumed that
we could arrive there and appreciate it.
We could, but there's also a caveat attached!

When discussing time travel, we can imagine moving to instances that have already happened that
and are -in essence, fact. That instant in 'history' occurred -but, a multitude of alternative outcomes
occurred at the exact same time.

So in theory, we may travel to a particular point in this universe's history and hit one of these possible
outcomes! A mere viable possibility of what might have happened!

To add to this complicated web of circumstances, our interaction also produces a myriad of possibilities
and with that, current facts of what were your past are disturbed by your interaction and creates alterations
in the time you labeled  as 'present'

Your original position before the travel changes and the possible futures are added to by new ones!
Now when you return to what you perceive your 'Present Time' it will not be the true destination you aimed
for, it will be the nearest viable outcome due to your presence in the past.

On the back of this, the 'travel' as tagged by most, does not involve any physical movement. You cannot
'go' to a point in any other universe's time-line because the parameters of this working system we know
as our universe.

But that's only if we continue to discuss the workings of 'over-all' time-travel in the manner of moving, the
most convenient way of talking about travelling about time is to look at it in the form of thought.
(Mathematics can be a second language!)

We think and imagine things that are not governed by time or physical constraints. We can fly unaided in
our heads and hold entire planets at arms-length whilst sitting in a yellow canoe. Fur-wrapped Inuit can
pass us, alongside a brontosaurus on their migration route.
All in a simple suggested thought-process and you never moved from the computer screen!

By the way, the past, present and future possibilities are not stored anywhere and the in-built thought
that all of these countless-number of instances must be filling up somewhere, proves again, that we're
alwaysnburdened with the desire to put everything in the 'physical' They are possibilities, they do not
have mass.

I would dare to say that if a time-machine was ever constructed to carry a living human, the device that
would allow any physical movement to take place would be a mechanism designed in the manner of a
sentient brain.

Multiverses.
The future. present and past unfolds every moment and is a consequence of a probability confined within
the accepted boundaries of the universe you exist in. However, that consequence is only a temporary
anchor to you and can only expand to the perimeter of possibilities that can exist within that particular
universe.

We cannot comprehend being in two or a million places at once because we're harnessed to the rational,
materialistic burden that it's physically impossible to do this.

Especially when you add to that- that this universe is also directly attached to every atom in your reality!
Your imprint on this universe is important and any alteration can effect the reality of your universe and
it continuation of time. The same goes for your entrance to another universe.

Matter and antimatter don't truly disappear, it can change, but somewhere along the road, you'll find it's
original mass. 'Everything has a place and there's a place for everything'

On the theory that one day we will travel to another universe, your physical and possible mental 'deletion'
from this universe would have an adverse effect, so we're once again -at this moment in time, stuck with
the idea that to take these journeys in a safe condition, these treks must be undertaken by the brain.

The down-side to this is it isn't tangible, evidence cannot be offered in a scientific manner.
We can't analyse the data on a screen or paper and we can't dissect the body for physical evidence
of the incident.

Just like Betty and Barney Hill when they were found by the aliens to have taken a book from the flying
-saucer up in New Hampshire, the proof is never produced. We're left with the notion that travelling to
other worlds in other realities is something that belongs to dreamers and drug-users.

It is ironic though that one's brain creates these 'other realm' situations many times during your waking
hours in the form of basic thought-functioning. To evaluate many problems in everday life we approach
the obstacle in a manner that -in many cases, cannot be truly dealt with positively if we are tied to the
'this-world' discipline.

We can conjour with some of the most expensive, stupid and time consuming hypothesis to get from
'A-to-B' and then pragmatically hone the idea down to where it's 'earthly' acceptable as an answer.

But at night, well... have you ever noticed that in dreaming, a scene may change in an instant and
you never become confused by it?

One can decide to unwrap a candy bar and discover a twelve mile-long asteroid inside!
We can feel the terrible shroud that comes across you as a group of ugly monsters circle you and
your loved ones, it's awful... but you never question how you were -only moments before, sitting in
a guitar-shaped swimming pool and listening to Elvis Presely!

I know that most scholars say that sleeping is the way your brain filing information and adjusting
your core-values to suit further situations you may encounter and I can understand that. We're a
complicated organism and the real person inside needs a regular 'pillow-plumping' of their
insulation!

But what if it's also the time you visit these other places...? these multiverses?
AND... what if travellers from those other places come and visit here? What if they swoop around
the ceiling of someone's bedroom and ask silly questions? Heck... what if they can travel forward
in time, come back and relate things to the strange sleeping woman in that bedroom?!

[Minstrel]

...I think Boy In A Dress may have got a little bit carried away there, Minstrel!
His writings can become very theatrical and flowery!


...

BIAD's theatrics are always welcome around here ----- as long as I don't have to watch too closely.

Nevertheless...
Time travelling through Dreamscapes
I wonder if that is, in fact, the case.
When my youngest son was very young, he would tell of these elaborately schemed dreams.  He remembered them so vividly.  I could ask him any day if he remembered his dream...and every time he would recount them with detail.  I am lucky to splice two segments of a dream together with any continuity.

On the other hand - speaking of 'outside time' (or, were we?)...I have told of a dream I had on the morning of Labor Day (USA) in 2006, where I awoke from said dream with a start - as said dream 'shook' me, though I had no real involvement with the characters in the dream.
I was witnessing chaos and a general stir of panic at the studios of Animal Planet because one of their stars had died.
I thought that it was Jeff Corbin...but...after startling myself awake, I got up, smoked a cig', made coffee...and turned the television on, and the first thing said was "Steve Irwin, The Crocodile Hunter is dead."
So - some part of me, during sleep, crossed waves with something else, somewhere else- and, before I could hear or read of it in this world, I witnessed (and was shaken by) it in a dream (perhaps, like your mother's).

I don't remember dreams often (or, well), but when they make such impacts that I do remember, they usually go into a journal...
I had another dream that same year that came to pass a year later... So, I must wonder if you aren't correct about Time-Travel through Dreamscapes...(though, I don't know if you said so much about the future)...

[BIAD]

If you recall, I mentioned that my Mother was 'a simple soul' and I believe now, that is the key
to all of this. It sounds stupid I know, and she wasn't mentally impaired or anything like that,
but when you look at the exasperating complications we would be forced to rationally assume,
time-travel in it's general concept seems impossible.

However, we as a species are made of stronger stuff!
I believe that ghosts, time-travel and confusing incidents of the paranormal are tips of an iceberg
that we can only at this moment, merely search for with our socially-accepted torchlight in a cavern
that knows no such ridiculous refulgence.

But to help us along, here's a story that may explain our actual grasp on what this is all about.

There's this sparrow that busies itself everyday with doing what many do to make it's life a better
one. This small bird flits among the hedges of the many gardens looking for food and as been
known to occasionally come across a magical cave that allows no entry.

This gloomy grotto is certainly something to be avoided because even though it offers long strands
of spider webs at the mouth of the cave that would make good bedding for the sparrow's nest, when
acquistion is attempted, a strange force-field prevents any entry.

During it's forays to keep it's young with full bellies, it passes another sparrow that looks at him
from the darkness of the cave. With our sparrow's nest being so close, it's obvious that this shady
newcomer should be warned-off with a few flicks of the wings and a volley of sharp cheeps.
Our sparrow stands it's ground on the white perch and watches to see if the scare-tactics were enough.

The cave sparrow stares back and only retaliates to our sparrow's antics when enough courage is
found by our guy to rush the force-field. Maybe there's a nest in that darkness and or maybe we have
ourselves just another impasse that's beyond our control.
One thing's for sure, this cave-bird needs watching.

As the weeks roll by and the initial angry encounter fades away, our sparrow becomes accustomed
to taking time out of it's family-rearing schedule and checking-in on the cave sparrow that never flies
out into the big sky above.

Using only physical movements and limited chirps, our sparrow relates it's concerns and needs to the
cave sparrow and we can only imagine what might actually be said. But, there's no conflict, no angry
dancing in the shadows and any worries of territory take-overs seem doubtful.

Then one day, a slow burst of light appears at the cave mouth during one of our bird's conversations
as it's startled flight from it's blanched perch begins, it notices the cave sparrow slowly fade away, like
a ghost sparrow that was never really there.

Winter moves in and the need to survive forces our feathery friend to relinquish it's patrol of the cave
and life moves on.
..............................

I have a garage. It's not very big and to get the car inside, means all of my 'man tools' have to be stored
along the walls in such a fashion that any shelves or cupboards are narrow in breadth. One end has the
main entrance for the vehicle and the other end as a single door at the side and a little window opposite
from the car's entrance. I put a nice-little area outside the window with a bush close to the glass.
I don't drive, my wife is the chauffeur, although I'd never say it to her face!

When we had the conservatory built at the rear of the house, I also had some decking installed and it
runs from the conservatory all the way to the garage which is at the end of my rear-garden. That reminds
me, when the weather gets better, I'll have to re-stain it. It really needs a new coat.

So, to make life a bit easier and because the garage is so far away from the front door of our house,
I decided to have an automatic door installed to make coming-and-going easier all around.

Now, instead of having to lug shopping all the way around the long side garden, carefully manoeuvre
your collection of bags through a narrow space that separates the front-garden fencing and then
climb the path to the front door, one simply presses a button and all your shopping can be brought in
via the garage and the conservatory door.
It makes sense, nuh?

I put the lighting in the garage myself and I must admit, the bulbs they offer these days are poor.
Really-speaking, the only good light I get in there is when I press the fob and the automatic door
slowly rises to let the big sky in. Looking at the garage as I type this, the window frame looks like
it could do with a coat of paint too, the white is flaking a bit,

Recently, there's been a sparrow sitting on that ledge acting like a crazy bird! I suppose it's engrossed
in it's reflection and doesn't realise that it's staring into a poorly-lit garage.
Well it just goes to show you, It believes one-thing and I know another!
..............................

Two different perceptions of the same situation and both perfectly valid. How do you reconcile both in a
rational world? I would suggest both perceptions are rational to each perceiver and to make matters
worse, my perception of the bird's perception could be totally wrong!

Science and magic are the same. Ghosts, spectres and all the weird-sh*t that goes on around us is -at
best for our timid minds, the fingers-crossed-best evaluation of something we don't understand.

Maybe the sparrow cannot conceive the idea of something travelling through time or being beyond the
thing we call death, maybe it just sees it as something to monitor for reasons in it's rational real world.

But it's just a garage. We know that, we can touch it and there's countless others like it.
Is it important that the window get's another lick of paint?
Is it important that the cave sparrow returns to haunt the cave mouth?

We don't know enough yet.

[Minstrel]

So - the sparrow meets up with a force field that, to put it simply, was installed to keep sparrows from entering the cave under most circumstances.
Is it really time-travel?
Is that really a ghost?
Or is it all the same, in those few instances when the door opens?
When the door opens, the spiderwebs are no longer 'where' they used to be.
The ghost sparrow cannot be found in its usual position.
In fact, however, nothing seems too terribly out of the ordinary...yet, it is the mystical world/cave that held the sparrow's fascination days on end.
May even have inspired countless campfire stories for the young sparrows.

You may be right.  Time-travel may be as simple as an open door or busted window that lets us into a room/space that is normally off-limits (to us).  And if we happen to find a way in - we can be pretty certain that the guardian of said room/space will take a broom to shew us away...so as to keep that space 'in order'.

I like your analogy.

[BIAD]

It could well be that what we see as mystical is only a small part of a greater whole.

My anology was to purvey that time-travel might be connected to all the strange-stuff
we hear about and because we don't yet see the whole picture, we look on it in the
only rational manner that society accepts.

The sparrow saw a cave and a ghost-bird, we know it's a garage window and
a reflection. The magical world the sparrow lived in had a flip-side for myself and
I just looked at the scene in a more pragmatic way.

Since we don't know for sure what the absolute truth of reality is yet, we cannot
rule out that the strange phenomena witnessed isn't some-type of mis-identification
of a part of that absolute truth.

So are apparitions that some see, be a facet of a non-physical use of time-travel and
we just pigeon-hole it because of age-old religious beliefs?

As I suggested, physical movement doesn't seem a good idea when looking at
possible travelling around in the past and future. I would think that any 'butterfly effect'
of your physical presence could upset the past enough to make sure that your true
present-time period would never be found again.
Only a similar point in the present would be available.

In my own humble opinion, if my time-line changed, it was somewhere around 1973.
I have no evidence, just a feeling. And feelings are of no use in a laboratory.

[OmegaLogos]

Explanation: Bumpety Bump!

Personal Disclosure: Linking the 2nd thread in this series here ...

Turn about is fair play when things go missing!

[WonderCow]

It could well be that what we see as mystical is only a small part of a greater whole.

My anology was to purvey that time-travel might be connected to all the strange-stuff
we hear about and because we don't yet see the whole picture, we look on it in the
only rational manner that society accepts.

The sparrow saw a cave and a ghost-bird, we know it's a garage window and
a reflection. The magical world the sparrow lived in had a flip-side for myself and
I just looked at the scene in a more pragmatic way.

Since we don't know for sure what the absolute truth of reality is yet, we cannot
rule out that the strange phenomena witnessed isn't some-type of mis-identification
of a part of that absolute truth.

So are apparitions that some see, be a facet of a non-physical use of time-travel and
we just pigeon-hole it because of age-old religious beliefs?

As I suggested, physical movement doesn't seem a good idea when looking at
possible travelling around in the past and future. I would think that any 'butterfly effect'
of your physical presence could upset the past enough to make sure that your true
present-time period would never be found again.
Only a similar point in the present would be available.

In my own humble opinion, if my time-line changed, it was somewhere around 1973.
I have no evidence, just a feeling. And feelings are of no use in a laboratory.

Funny that you pinpoint 1973, I noticed things starting to shift in the seventies. Clear skies would be grey not blue, anything white in full shadow would have an almost fluorescent quality. I think that was when the sun started shifting from yellow to white.