Devastating Losses In Classified Wargames

[727Sky]

And all this is without the brown nose woke lot that has taken charge of our military as of late. Many have said countries always fight and prepare for the last war. While some of that may be true in today's world that ain't gonna cut it. Many Smart weapons are only smart as long as the GPS system stays up and any first tier adversary certainly knows that already, so, that will be a high priority target IMO. As the article also says the Blue team (that is us) "lost the ability to use networked communications from the outset of the war game."

China has already said they would nuke Japan if they tried to protect Taiwan even though China signed an agreement they would never be the first to use Nukes. I guess that agreement was only good until China got enough nukes and delivery systems to scare off most countries.

So make what you want out of this reported war game loss. I figure one battle group and one enemy nuke and 30,000 dead in the blink of an eye if it comes to a full out war on the sea.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/41...d-wargames

The Joint Chiefs of Staff are rethinking the United States’ warfighting concepts after failing “miserably” in a wargame that simulated a variety of scenarios. Many of the Pentagon’s core strategies for conducting warfare proved themselves futile in the face of modern threats and capabilities, forcing the Joint Chiefs to explore a warfighting concept known as “Expanded Maneuver.” While the overall concept is new, many of the ideas in Expanded Maneuver build on the overarching focus on distributed operations and information-sharing networks the Pentagon has been pursuing in recent years.

The Expanded Maneuver concept was described by General John Hyten, the 11th Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, in reporting by Defense One’s Tara Copp. The specifics of the wargame that prompted Hyten to rethink warfare are classified, but an unnamed defense official told Copp that one of the scenarios simulated a battle for Taiwan. While Hyten didn’t reveal much about the wargames themselves, he did state that the simulated U.S. forces were swiftly and thoroughly dominated. “Without overstating the issue, it failed miserably. An aggressive red team that had been studying the United States for the last 20 years just ran rings around us. They knew exactly what we're going to do before we did it,” Hyten said this week during a launch event for the National Defense Industrial Association’s Emerging Technologies Institute. 

USN/MC2 Michael H. Lehman
A recent Joint All-Domain Command & Control System demonstration at Joint Base Langley-Eustis
One of the issues that compounded the blue forces’ losses in the wargame was the fact that U.S. forces concentrated together in one area in order to combine firepower and reinforce one another. “We always aggregate to fight, and aggregate to survive. But in today’s world, with hypersonic missiles, with significant long-range fires coming at us from all domains, if you're aggregated and everybody knows where you are, you're vulnerable,” Hyten said.  
Another decisive factor was that the “blue team,” or simulated American forces, lost their ability to use networked communications from the outset of the wargame. “We basically attempted an information-dominance structure, where information was ubiquitous to our forces. Just like it was in the first Gulf War, just like it has been for the last 20 years, just like everybody in the world, including China and Russia, have watched us do for the last 30 years,” Hyten said according to Defense One. “Well, what happens if right from the beginning that information is not available? And that’s the big problem that we faced.” 

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General John Hyten
Prior tabletop wargames that also portrayed China as the central adversary had similar outcomes and prompted similar discussions within the Pentagon. Earlier this year, Air Force Lieutenant General Clint Hinote, the service's Deputy Chief of Staff for Strategy, Integration, and Requirements, stated that “we should never play this war game scenario [of a Chinese attack on Taiwan] again, because we know what is going to happen. [...] The definitive answer if the U.S. military doesn’t change course is that we’re going to lose fast.” Hinote even added that the F-35 would essentially be useless in such a conflict, and that “Every fighter that rolls off the line today is a fighter that we wouldn’t even bother putting into these scenarios.”
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The new Expanded Maneuver concept outlined by General Hyten contains four key directives for the services to integrate in order to better compete on the battlefield of today: contested logistics, joint fires, Joint All-Domain Command and Control, and information advantage. These aren’t necessarily new ideas, and in fact, build on initiatives that have already been in development. 
Contested logistics in this sense refers to finding new concepts for keeping warfighters stocked with fuel and other supplies no matter where they are operating. This would also include being able to defend logistics assets and requiring logistic units to possibly have to fight their way to forward areas. Several initiatives along these lines are already in progress. The U.S. Army, for one, has explored new ideas in recent years that would see combat brigades be able to operate for a whole week without resupply. The Air Force is also pursuing a “Rocket Cargo” concept that aims to be able to put 100 tons of cargo anywhere on Earth within an hour using rocket technologies already available on the commercial market.

USMC/Sgt Anthony Ortiz
U.S. Marines from Combat Logistics Battalion 8 work together with Navy personnel during an Expeditionary Logistics Wargame in 2012.
Hyten also expanded on how the concept of joint fires is integral to his Expanded Maneuver vision. “You have to aggregate to mass fires, but it doesn't have to be a physical aggregation,” Hyten said. “It could be a virtual aggregation for multiple domains; acting at the same time under a single command structure allows the fires to come in on anybody. It allows you to disaggregate to survive.” Hyten admitted that joint fires is “unbelievably difficult to do.” 
Still, this concept has been explored in the past. The Marine Corps, for one, has eyed using combat units spread out in small boats as opposed to using centralized larger ships, largely based on lessons learned from wargaming. The Air Force has also tested using F-35s to cue artillery strikes, allowing it to remain undetected by not engaging threats directly while still using its sensors to identify and mark targets. Larger, more distributed live-fire tests of similar concepts have been conducted involving assets simultaneously on the ground, in the air, and in space.
Hyten’s third directive, Joint All-Domain Command and Control, or JADC2, is an attempt to connect sensors and communication networks from across the services into a singular architecture. Essentially, JADC2 would create a digital cloud-like environment for sharing intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance data, as well as other information, across the DOD’s vast system of communications networks in order to enable faster decision-making. The Air Force, in particular, has tested a wide variety of systems that could eventually fall under the larger JADC2 umbrella, including some that utilize joint fire concepts. Assets like the shadowy RQ-180 could fit into this architecture, serving as long-endurance, survivable information gateways in contested environments.

US Army
A demonstration of the Command Post Computing Environment which combines warfighting functions into a common user interface, reducing the training burden on Soldiers and accelerating the integration of new capabilities. 
The concept of information advantage Hyten describes as part of Extended Maneuver is essentially a sum of the other three concepts, enabled by real-time information and data sharing across the entire military enterprise. Hyten says that if these concepts could be successfully deployed throughout the services, “the United States and our allies will have an information advantage over anybody that we could possibly face.” While Hyten didn’t specifically mention machine learning or artificial intelligence, other military leaders have signaled in the past that these systems will play a huge part in establishing and maintaining information advantage in the future.
As the Center for New American Security’s Becca Wasser notes on Twitter, sometimes the integration of new concepts like Hyten’s Extended Maneuver can be hindered by what she calls a “broken” process of developing new military strategies and visions.

So our most advanced gold plated expensive fighter aircraft might as well stay grounded due to being ineffective in this battle scenario..? Hey I did not say it blame Air Force Lieutenant General Clint Hinote... There will be someone come by "Who Rah" and claim the USA can beat anyone with one arm tired behind our back... Maybe with nukes but with the current lot of planners and leaders I would have to question that unless you wanna go full mad stupid nuclear war.. Goodbye several tens of millions and then a few billion later..

And just think without Western capital and business thievery China (the CCP) would still be no big concern !And this is without adding all the woke idiots in charge now... I do like this guy as he does not seem be be ate up with the woke virus of stupidity..

[Kenzo]

Strategic alliance with Russia would make US & Russia together king......but TPTB wants to play that good guy--bad guy game forever, making deals impossible. But to counter China, Russia could certainly help. And as China get`s more powerfull, it is most likely a threat to Russia also now and future IMO.....

[Ninurta]

Strategic alliance with Russia would make US & Russia together king......but TPTB wants to play that good guy--bad guy game forever, making deals impossible. But to counter China, Russia could certainly help. And as China get`s more powerfull, it is most likely a threat to Russia also now and future IMO.....

It's an unfortunate turn of events that Russia has gotten cozy with China over the last few months in the face of the American Left's unreasoning yet relentless onslaught against all things Russian. last year, and the year before, we had an open window to cooperation treaties, but since BidenHarris's regime has seized the reins of power, all those bets are off, and Russia has been nuzzling up to the CCP.

For example, last year when China was poised to strike India, and there had been border clashes at the northenr border of India, Russia "delayed" delivery of some state of the art missile systems to China, citing a production shortage and previous commitments to... India. India got their missiles first, preventing a Chinese assault on them. China was plenty pissed off about that, but it was what it was, and Russia maintained the truce on that border without ever going there.

Flash forward a mere 6 months, and China and Russia are now holding hands while the US watches the courtship through a frosty window, from outside. Our chance has passed, I think, and the world is a more dangerous place for the US to eke out it's existence. BidenHarris and the American Left placed the wrong bet, and lost. While Russia is not and has never been our friend, the CCP is far more dangerous to US interests, and they have succeeded in courting Russia where the US has failed. That doubles their danger to us now.

Russia would have been far more useful as an ally than as a member of an enemy axis, and the Americans blew it under the BidenHarris Regime, no doubt with input from the Klintons, who have always had a hard on for Russia ever since communism failed there and Russia became inimical to the American Marxists.

Regarding the war gaming, the more things change, the more they stay the same:




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[Kenzo]

Strategic alliance with Russia would make US & Russia together king......but TPTB wants to play that good guy--bad guy game forever, making deals impossible. But to counter China, Russia could certainly help. And as China get`s more powerfull, it is most likely a threat to Russia also now and future IMO.....

It's an unfortunate turn of events that Russia has gotten cozy with China over the last few months in the face of the American Left's unreasoning yet relentless onslaught against all things Russian. last year, and the year before, we had an open window to cooperation treaties, but since BidenHarris's regime has seized the reins of power, all those bets are off, and Russia has been nuzzling up to the CCP.

For example, last year when China was poised to strike India, and there had been border clashes at the northenr border of India, Russia "delayed" delivery of some state of the art missile systems to China, citing a production shortage and previous commitments to... India. India got their missiles first, preventing a Chinese assault on them. China was plenty pissed off about that, but it was what it was, and Russia maintained the truce on that border without ever going there.

Flash forward a mere 6 months, and China and Russia are now holding hands while the US watches the courtship through a frosty window, from outside. Our chance has passed, I think, and the world is a more dangerous place for the US to eke out it's existence. BidenHarris and the American Left placed the wrong bet, and lost. While Russia is not and has never been our friend, the CCP is far more dangerous to US interests, and they have succeeded in courting Russia where the US has failed. That doubles their danger to us now.

Russia would have been far more useful as an ally than as a member of an enemy axis, and the Americans blew it under the BidenHarris Regime, no doubt with input from the Klintons, who have always had a hard on for Russia ever since communism failed there and Russia became inimical to the American Marxists.

Regarding the war gaming, the more things change, the more they stay the same:




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I am not sure, but i allways had feeling that Russians have never trusted Chineses. The marriage is partly because Russia economy needs China .West has made sanctions to Russia for years and years....so Russia turns to East more. I bet they have misseles ready to counter china allways. Now maybe even some trade war going ..

Russia has just started a trade war with China

Well like the old saying says...." The enemy of my enemy is my friend"

Big mistage that US and Russia are not now together against China...BidenHarris Regime/Clintons etc dont want to give equal status to Russia ...

[Ninurta]

I am not sure, but i allways had feeling that Russians have never trusted Chineses. The marriage is partly because Russia economy needs China .West has made sanctions to Russia for years and years....so Russia turns to East more. I bet they have misseles ready to counter china allways. Now maybe even some trade war going ..

Russia has just started a trade war with China

Well like the old saying says...." The enemy of my enemy is my friend"

Big mistage that US and Russia are not now together against China...BidenHarris Regime/Clintons etc dont want to give equal status to Russia ...

Right after the communist takeover in China, the Soviet Union was pretty cozy with China, then China decided they wanted some Russian territory, there was a border clash, and Russia never quite looked at China the same again. Russia does do business with China, but that is because as you observed, they had to do business with someone, and the west was closed off to them. In the interim, China has taken over the lion's share of world commerce from the US, because of bone-headed bad US decisions, so Russia's trade partners have adjusted to face that new reality.

Russia IS suspicious of the CCP, and rightfully so, but at the moment they will side with the Chinese against the US, because the US has been such dicks to Russia. The Marxist elements here are capitalizing on general US suspicion of Russia because of the Soviet Cold War days, and they are desperately hoping that none of us realize that the Soviet Union is no more - the US Left hates Russia now because communism failed and collapsed there, but they are still playing up on the old fears of Russian communists from the Cold War, and desperately hoping that none of us realize that.

They propagandize us that we are "free", while playing up fears of a looming Russian specter... but remember, during the Cold War, the Soviets also propagandized their citizens with notions that they were free, and some of the citizens ate that crap up with big spoons, all the while living under the hob-nailed heel of the State. The situation here in the US now is not so very different, just not yet as far progressed as it got under the Soviets.

So what we are seeing unfold before our eyes is the US becoming what the Soviet Union once was under Marxist-Leninist rule, and Russia becoming what the US once was, the more free of the two nations. The shoes are trading feet.

I don't think war games, or war for that matter, would go as well for the US as it once would have - the captains in the US are all asleep at the wheel, and they are trying to keep the population asleep as well, so that we don't get a hint of what is currently going on and put a stop to their shenanigans.

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[PLOTUS]

My opinion, it's an unwinnable scenario. once they/us start lobbing nukes around.. China, United States, Russia, India, Pakistan..... The end will have come as surely as Armageddon    Same as if a comet/meteor hit with the smoke radiation and failure of any food production. Were All Toast. All sides. It'll be like the 4th of July worldwide. I would rather be at ground Zero, 'take a ride'

[ABNARTY]

Doesn't the Red Team know the US Military is now woke? That should be more than enough to deter any aggressor. 

Look at the way we train on fighting white supremacy? Look at the way we are developing unity by breaking down the troops into ever smaller groups based on traits which have nothing to do with warfighting? The Army now lets dudes wear clear nail polish. That should make the Chinese shudder with fear. 

The Russkies need to be aware of the average US military officers ability to put together power point presentation. Once they see the font discipline, backup slide depth, and quad chart up-to-date-ness, they will back off. 

I think it was either Rommel or Alexander the Great who said "The wifi at the Green Beans is broken? How am I supposed to fight the enemy?" And who can argue with that?

[Mystic Wanderer]

Doesn't the Red Team know the US Military is now woke? That should be more than enough to deter any aggressor. 

Look at the way we train on fighting white supremacy? Look at the way we are developing unity by breaking down the troops into ever smaller groups based on traits which have nothing to do with warfighting? The Army now lets dudes wear clear nail polish. That should make the Chinese shudder with fear. 

I laughed out loud when I read that.  

Well, it was either laugh or cry, so I chose to laugh.

[Kenzo]

Doesn't the Red Team know the US Military is now woke? That should be more than enough to deter any aggressor. 

Look at the way we train on fighting white supremacy? Look at the way we are developing unity by breaking down the troops into ever smaller groups based on traits which have nothing to do with warfighting? The Army now lets dudes wear clear nail polish. That should make the Chinese shudder with fear. 

The Russkies need to be aware of the average US military officers ability to put together power point presentation. Once they see the font discipline, backup slide depth, and quad chart up-to-date-ness, they will back off. 

I think it was either Rommel or Alexander the Great who said "Th//youtu.be/P5ar7vYg0pYe wifi at the Green Beans is broken? How am I supposed to fight the enemy?" And who can argue with that?

Yeeh well, this is all because psychological operations , but also chemical warfare.....Chemicals that lower testosterone and increase estrogen causing men to be more towards something unnatural . Thanks to big pharma, food industry etc...people are getting whacked what end up in to their body, add 5G and other RF radiation and the results is visible now, this includes not just US but other countrys also.  Russians eat more clean food if i understand correctly, they also have much much tight EMF radiation safety regulations than Western countrys ....hmm

I find this video funny..

[Kenzo]

I am not sure, but i allways had feeling that Russians have never trusted Chineses. The marriage is partly because Russia economy needs China .West has made sanctions to Russia for years and years....so Russia turns to East more. I bet they have misseles ready to counter china allways. Now maybe even some trade war going ..

Russia has just started a trade war with China

Well like the old saying says...." The enemy of my enemy is my friend"

Big mistage that US and Russia are not now together against China...BidenHarris Regime/Clintons etc dont want to give equal status to Russia ...

Right after the communist takeover in China, the Soviet Union was pretty cozy with China, then China decided they wanted some Russian territory, there was a border clash, and Russia never quite looked at China the same again. Russia does do business with China, but that is because as you observed, they had to do business with someone, and the west was closed off to them. In the interim, China has taken over the lion's share of world commerce from the US, because of bone-headed bad US decisions, so Russia's trade partners have adjusted to face that new reality.

Russia IS suspicious of the CCP, and rightfully so, but at the moment they will side with the Chinese against the US, because the US has been such dicks to Russia. The Marxist elements here are capitalizing on general US suspicion of Russia because of the Soviet Cold War days, and they are desperately hoping that none of us realize that the Soviet Union is no more - the US Left hates Russia now because communism failed and collapsed there, but they are still playing up on the old fears of Russian communists from the Cold War, and desperately hoping that none of us realize that.

They propagandize us that we are "free", while playing up fears of a looming Russian specter... but remember, during the Cold War, the Soviets also propagandized their citizens with notions that they were free, and some of the citizens ate that crap up with big spoons, all the while living under the hob-nailed heel of the State. The situation here in the US now is not so very different, just not yet as far progressed as it got under the Soviets.

So what we are seeing unfold before our eyes is the US becoming what the Soviet Union once was under Marxist-Leninist rule, and Russia becoming what the US once was, the more free of the two nations. The shoes are trading feet.

I don't think war games, or war for that matter, would go as well for the US as it once would have - the captains in the US are all asleep at the wheel, and they are trying to keep the population asleep as well, so that we don't get a hint of what is currently going on and put a stop to their shenanigans.

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Yeeh, a flip from what US was earlyer. In 1969 Soviets allmost nuked China, and just before that there was border clash between them...i dont know does history books tell all truth about it but this is what they write

When the Soviet Union Almost Nuked China

[F2d5thCav]

The 'wargames' have always been problematic.

Their output all boils down to their programming.  Years ago, a well known military analyst, Trevor Dupuy, pointed out that the big-$ simulations produced by the huge DoD contractors all predicted huge losses.  When the Gulf War loomed, it was their take against his (he had his own battle outcome prediction scheme), and his predictions on the casualties the Coalition would suffer proved FAR more accurate than the big-$ "wargames".

The USA might take heavy losses against the PLA or it could go the other way as well.  A lot will hinge upon the effectiveness of electronic warfare and electronic counter-measures.

ETA. Don't forget the "boring" stuff like naval mines. Those are easy to produce and deploy, and are a HUGE pain in the *** for navies to clear, especially when their facing air, missile, and submarine attacks at the same time.

Cheers

[727Sky]

I like this guy:

[727Sky]