Forgive college debt and free college for all..Now the reason

[727Sky]

I had not really thought about the "Why's" but this makes as much sense as anything I have heard.

[PLOTUS]

And the rest of us who didn't try to avoid life by spending other peoples money so they could avoid work by using a government paid-for education. How about those of us who didn't receive help from the government then receive an equal amount. Lets be fair now.  Maybe a couple Trillion ought to cover the cost. just print it up.

[PLOTUS]

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[Mystic Wanderer]

So many youth don't realize what they are protesting for; they just want to belong to the "majority", to feel they're a part of something big. Little do they realize how what they are fighting for will come back to bite them when/if they win. 

Parents need to home-school now more than ever. Keep these children out of colleges and universities. Send them to a trade school and they'll make a good life for themselves. That is, as long as we still have a free America with Capitalism.
And, isn't that the end goal?

[ABNARTY]

If I could do it over, I would home school my kids. They probably would not have like it but at least I would be confident they have a solid foundation. 

The word 'forgiveness' is used carefully. It sounds good. Never mind it is highly inaccurate. It's debt redistribution. It's more tax payer dollars to the banks. Another bailout.

The cost of college goes up while it's worth to the individual and society is plummeting. Heck of a scam. 

Bring in the unmotivated to improve. Feed them garbage. Tell them they are oppressed and special. Have in place admittance restrictions on those who might see through the whole thing. Call it equity or some other meaningless, feel good term totally detached from any definition. And the tax payer foots the bill. 

Yeah, I think he has it figured out pretty well.

[F2d5thCav]

The last few years have, IMO, given consideration to questioning the entire K-12 public school system, as well as ALL of the colleges and universities.

Those systems and institutions were never meant to be hotbeds of radical ideology.  They have now been subverted and corrupted.  May be time to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

But why would I suggest that?  Because the era in which our school and university systems emerged in the USA was primarily the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

Those systems made sense in that era as a way of educating people.  Not so sure that is the case anymore.  Two examples come immediately to mind.  One is distance education, internet courses, or whatever one wishes to call them -- there are many more options for education today than gathering a bunch of people into a common space at a given time.  The other is the emergence of trades (like being a router specialist) that require a very narrow technical focus and pay quite well.  The "education" for trades like that is outside of the traditional educational system, and, I suspect, those kinds of trades will become more common.

The above is not good news for career educators or tenured professors.  All I can say is, "tough shit".  Too many educators, school board members, and university professors and instructors have abused their positions to advance radical political agendas.  Perhaps they should learn to wield a shovel with a highway maintenance crew ... that will do wonders to reconnect them to the reality of everyday people.

Cheers

[Ninurta]

So many youth don't realize what they are protesting for; they just want to belong to the "majority", to feel they're a part of something big. Little do they realize how what they are fighting for will come back to bite them when/if they win. 

Parents need to home-school now more than ever. Keep these children out of colleges and universities. Send them to a trade school and they'll make a good life for themselves. That is, as long as we still have a free America with Capitalism.
And, isn't that the end goal?

While they convince themselves they are fighting against a "stacked deck", they are blissfully unaware that they are allowing, even encouraging, other inimical forces to stack the deck against them as well, just from the other side. They will never win until they stop allowing someone else, from either side, to set the rules for them. They fail to realize that when they are caught between two warring sides, they are mere pawns to be manipulated by one or the other, and often both. The only way for them to advance is to develop their OWN ideas, play by their OWN rules, and forego allowing someone else to do their thinking for them.

Oddly perhaps, that applies every bit as much to shills on the Right as it does to shills on the Left. Shills for either side are just getting caught in a meat grinder in the middle, and allowing someone else to set their agenda for them... and none of them seem to be able to see that. They actually often appear to actively refuse to see that, in their quest to promote someone else's well-being and enrichment. I have seen just as many inane, parrot-like unthinking commentary from the Right as I have seen from the Left, and it's disheartening.

I see it all the time on Facebook. I just stop interacting with anyone who descends into name-calling, like Hannity does on his shows. Once they get there, I know that their tank is empty, they have no more original ideas to defend, nor the ability to defend them on their own without talking points issued from above... and the Right is just as bad as the Left for that.

On TV, I keep the TV on for background noise all the time. If Hannity happens to be on, and I hear the phrase "sippy-cup Joe" fall out of his lips (which he does all the damned time), I immediately turn the channel to something like Gomer Pyle, Green Acres, or Gilligan's Island for a far more cerebral form of background noise that is less disturbing to hear, and far more well thought out.

Lemmings will never inherit the Earth. They will just continue to fall off of cliffs and drown.

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[Ninurta]

The last few years have, IMO, given consideration to questioning the entire K-12 public school system, as well as ALL of the colleges and universities.

Those systems and institutions were never meant to be hotbeds of radical ideology.  They have now been subverted and corrupted.  May be time to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

But why would I suggest that?  Because the era in which our school and university systems emerged in the USA was primarily the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

Those systems made sense in that era as a way of educating people.  Not so sure that is the case anymore.  Two examples come immediately to mind.  One is distance education, internet courses, or whatever one wishes to call them -- there are many more options for education today than gathering a bunch of people into a common space at a given time.  The other is the emergence of trades (like being a router specialist) that require a very narrow technical focus and pay quite well.  The "education" for trades like that is outside of the traditional educational system, and, I suspect, those kinds of trades will become more common.

The above is not good news for career educators or tenured professors.  All I can say is, "tough shit".  Too many educators, school board members, and university professors and instructors have abused their positions to advance radical political agendas.  Perhaps they should learn to wield a shovel with a highway maintenance crew ... that will do wonders to reconnect them to the reality of everyday people.

Cheers

Absolutely. The modern education system, what it has evolved to at all levels, purposely confuses indoctrination with education, and hopes none of the rest of us will notice. They are two different things, and the difference between them is really simple, for even the simplest minds to grasp. "Education" teaches one HOW to read and write, not WHAT to read and write... it teaches one HOW to count, not WHAT to count... it teaches one HOW to think, not WHAT to think... so the difference is very basic, and very glaring. Education gives you wings and pushes you out of the nest. Indoctrination gives you a ball and ankle chain of pre-packaged notions and leads you by the nose, and always leads you to your doom.

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