Strange Fate of Phobos II

[guohua]

I hope everyone enjoys this informative video, the Russian Probe Phobos II did get destroyed and I do think it was a cigar shaped UFO that destroyed it.

This moon of Mars is believed to be Hollow like our Moon. It seems Aliens like living under ground or in Hollowed out Moons.

[ABNARTY]

That shot of the shadow is pretty weird. Almost looks like Oumuamua. Coincidence?

[Ninurta]

That shot of the shadow is pretty weird. Almost looks like Oumuamua. Coincidence?

Although I knew of the Phobos II image years and years ago, and I knew of Oumuamua, I had not made that connection until your post. For that I thank you. Oumuamua has been confirmed to have been of extrasolar origin, and there is at least one scientist who has claimed it to be a probe from an alien civilization doing an exploratory flyby or our solar system. Although I have not seen any photos of Oumuamua, the description of it's shape does fit the shape shown in the Phobos II image. 

The Orion Project of the British Interplanetary Society that was studied back in the 1970's proposed just such a series of probe fly-throughs of the Barnard's Star system before sending a manned mission, to give us intelligence of what to expect before humans arrived. The Orion probes would also have done fly-throughs of the Barnard system, travelling too fast through it to stop and orbit anything, just as Oumuamua did our own system.

Fully 1/3 of all know Earth missions to Mars have failed, been destroyed. That is a higher failure rate than missions to any other celestial body. It strikes me as odd, and suspicious. Other missions have occasionally failed, but none with as high a proportion as Mars missions.

Although I've seen a lot of photos of Mars anomalies, the only ones I have not been able to explain are the Phobos II photograph and the alleged "mars Bigfoot" statue. At one time I had software that would take images made with the Mars rover cameras, and measure distance using the parallax between the stereo cameras as a baseline of a triangle. In an effort to debunk the "bigfoot" pictures, I tracked down the original images and ran them through the software. I came up with a distance to the object, which allowed me to compute it's size give the pixel resolution of the cameras, and I found it was only around 3 inches tall. A 3D steregraphic image I made also showed that it was a distinct object, sticking up from a perch on a rock, and not a "shadow" as many of the debunkers at the time were claiming. Now, I know it was not a bigfoot, and I know it was not a living thing of any sort, but it was, without a doubt in my mind, a statuette... and I had no explanation for it's existence on the surface of Mars. No idea who put it there, or why.

Likewise the shadow cast on the surface of Phobos photographed by the Phobos II mission. It was too regularly shaped, and too smooth, to be a naturally formed object. The fact that it's shadow was projected on Phobos but no part of it could be seen in the photo demonstrates that it was behind the Phobos II probe, meaning it was space-borne and inward bound towards Phobos.

However, it was shown long before the Oumuamua fly-by. and sending an exploratory probe after the fact of a Phobos settlement by an alien race would seem to be putting the cart before the horse, so I cannot explain the sequence of events if both were from the same civilization.

Maybe that's why they are "aliens" - even their thought processes are alien to us.

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[BIAD]

I'd never heard of the 'Oumuamua' object until now! What a strange shape, it looks like a chunk of
a heavily-damaged planet cast out into space.

Scientists determine the origin of extra-solar object 'Oumuamua

'In 2017, the first interstellar object from beyond our solar system was discovered via the Pan-STARRS
astronomical observatory in Hawaii. It was named 'Oumuamua, meaning "scout" or "messenger" in
Hawaiian. The object was like a comet, but with features that were just odd enough to defy classification.

Two Arizona State University astrophysicists, Steven Desch and Alan Jackson of the School of Earth and
Space Exploration, set out to explain the odd features of 'Oumuamua and have determined that it is likely
a piece of a Pluto-like planet from another solar system.


Renderings of Oumuamua and it's movements.

Their findings have been recently published in a pair of papers in the AGU Journal of Geophysical Research:
Planets.

"In many ways 'Oumuamua resembled a comet, but it was peculiar enough in several ways that mystery surrounded
its nature, and speculation ran rampant about what it was," said Desch, who is a professor in the School of Earth
and Space Exploration.

From observations of the object, Desch and Jackson determined several characteristics of the object that differed
from what would be expected from a comet. In terms of speed, the object entered the solar system at a velocity a bit
lower than would be expected, indicating that it had not been traveling in interstellar space for more than a billion years
or so. In terms of size, its pancake shape was also more flattened than any other known solar system object.

They also observed that while the object acquired a slight push away from the sun (a "rocket effect" common in comets
as sunlight vaporizes the ices they are made of), the push was stronger than could be accounted for. Finally, the object
lacked a detectable escaping gas, which is usually depicted visibly by a comet's tail. In all, the object was very much like
a comet, but unlike any comet that had ever been observed in the solar system.

Desch and Jackson then hypothesized that the object was made of different ices and they calculated how quickly these
ices would sublimate (passing from a solid to a gas) as 'Oumuamua passed by the sun. From there, they calculated the
rocket effect, the object's mass and shape, and the reflectivity of the ices.

"That was an exciting moment for us," Desch said. "We realized that a chunk of ice would be much more reflective than
people were assuming, which meant it could be smaller. The same rocket effect would then give 'Oumuamua a bigger
push, bigger than comets usually experience."

Desch and Jackson found one ice in particular—solid nitrogen—that provided an exact match to all the object's features
simultaneously. And since solid nitrogen ice can be seen on the surface of Pluto, it is possible that a cometlike object
could be made of the same material.

"We knew we had hit on the right idea when we completed the calculation for what albedo (how reflective the body is)
would make the motion of 'Oumuamua match the observations," said Jackson, who is a research scientist and an
Exploration Fellow at ASU.
"That value came out as being the same as we observe on the surface of Pluto or Triton, bodies covered in nitrogen ice."

They then calculated the rate at which chunks of solid nitrogen ice would have been knocked off the surfaces of Pluto and
similar bodies early in our solar system's history. And they calculated the probability that chunks of solid nitrogen ice from
other solar systems would reach ours.

"It was likely knocked off the surface by an impact about half a billion years ago and thrown out of its parent system,"
Jackson said. "Being made of frozen nitrogen also explains the unusual shape of 'Oumuamua. As the outer layers of
nitrogen ice evaporated, the shape of the body would have become progressively more flattened, just like a bar of
soap does as the outer layers get rubbed off through use.

Although 'Oumuamua's cometlike nature was quickly recognized, the inability to immediately explain it in detail led to
speculation that it is a piece of alien technology, as in the recently published book "Extraterrestrial: The First Signs of
Intelligent Life Beyond Earth" by Avi Loeb of Harvard University.

This has sparked a public debate about the scientific method and the responsibility of scientists not to jump to unwarranted
conclusions. "Everybody is interested in aliens, and it was inevitable that this first object outside the solar system would make
people think of aliens," Desch said. "But it's important in science not to jump to conclusions.

It took two or three years to figure out a natural explanation—a chunk of nitrogen ice—that matches everything we know about
'Oumuamua. That's not that long in science, and far too soon to say we had exhausted all natural explanations."

Although there is no evidence that it is alien technology, as a fragment of a Pluto-like planet, 'Oumuamua has provided scientists
with a special opportunity to look at extrasolar systems in a way that they have not been able to before. As more objects like
'Oumuamua are found and studied, scientists can continue to expand our understanding of what other planetary systems are
like and the ways in which they are similar to, or different from, our own solar system.

"This research is exciting in that we've probably resolved the mystery of what 'Oumuamua is and we can reasonably identify it
as a chunk of an 'exo-Pluto,' a Pluto-like planet in another solar system," Desch said. "Until now, we've had no way to know if
other solar systems have Pluto-like planets, but now we have seen a chunk of one pass by Earth."

Desch and Jackson hope that future telescopes, like those at the Vera Rubin Observatory/Large Synoptic Survey Telescope in
Chile, which will be able to survey the entire southern sky on a regular basis, will be able to start finding even more interstellar
objects that they and other scientists can use to further test their ideas.

"It's hoped that in a decade or so we can acquire statistics on what sorts of objects pass through the solar system, and if nitrogen
ice chunks are rare or as common as we've calculated," Jackson said. "Either way, we should be able to learn a lot about other
solar systems, and whether they underwent the same sorts of collisional histories that ours did."...'

SOURCE:

[727Sky]

[Ninurta]

I'm not buying the "solid nitrogen" explanation for Oumuamua. If it were solid nitrogen, and considering how closely it approached the sun at perigee, it should have lost a whole lot of mass to sublimation and outgassing. Solid nitrogen can't take much heat before it becomes gaseous nitrogen.

Enough outgassing to account for the observed acceleration should have been highly visible, yet it wasn't. There was no coma visible at any time, as a matter of fact.

The disc shape may be correct. It's a toss up, given the light curves, between a disc shape and a cigar shape. Either one, when tumbling, could account for the observed light curves. The tumbling itself could be a way of producing artificial gravity, increasing towards tehe extremity of the shape, if it were an interstellar craft of some sort, but that would assume occupants - machinery doesn't need gravity to work - and there were no detected radio emissions from it. maybe someone was there, but had no one to talk to, or maybe communications were accomplished through some other means... or maybe it was just an extrasolar rock.

In the case of the Phobos II bogey, maybe that was just a rock, too, but if it was, and given it's size at about 20 km long, why have we not detected it yet?


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[Mystic Wanderer]

@"Ninurta" and @"BIAD", where were you guys when I was posting a thread about Oumuamua? It was quite the topic at one time here. 
I'm not sure which forum it's in, but you missed it.  

At least there are still pictures of it on the internet. 

@"guohua", David Wilcock talked about the Mars moons in depth on his show Cosmic Disclosure several years ago. Love him, or hate him, he always brought deeply-researched material to his shows. 

I think the probe was shot down by an unknown craft because we can't allow anyone to discover that there is already a human civilization on Mars. It is also believed the moons are full of minerals that "they" don't want to be stolen.

And, as for that monolith, it looks just like the one discovered in Utah recently.