Quote:You cannot win against a people who want nothing other than to destroy you and your entire way of life to please their god. It then devolves into an "us or them" situation, literally. Unless and until Islam enters the civilized world and learns to get along, that is the way it is, and will remain.
"Us" or "Them".
"It's nice to be nice, but this is neither the time nor the place" - J.D. LaRue
So what would you like to see happen? What do you see as a resolution?
I may be wrong but it sounds like you think the only solution is to eliminate them all, by any means available.
That sounds exactly like the mentality you say you are against, when the Muslims are doing the hating.
I only have known two people personally that professed to be Muslims, and I had a brief interaction with a small group of American Muslims way back in the 60s, none of these people fit the description you shared. So, you are right, my personal knowledge of type of people you describe in your post is non-existent. That does not change how I feel about killing or punishing people who have committed no crimes, even if they may harbor hate in their hearts.
Just as I think it is wrong for you to be punished for the hate you harbor in your heart.
Hate is endless and is not an effective solution to any problem.
I would like to see Islam step out of the 7th century and into the 21st century. I have severe doubts that will happen on any sort of non-geological time scale, however.
Until Islam learns to get along with civilization and play nice, then eradication IS the only solution.
It's not a matter of hate, it's a matter of self defense. I can't really say that I hate Muslims - I mean, I MARRIED one, y'know? That was even after I had become apostate from Islam, and there was a death threat on my head because of it.
It's not "hate", it's just a desire to see the bullshit stop, and a willingness to do what it takes to make that happen.
My second wife flew off the handle and beat the shit out of me one day. I took it, because I could, and never hit her back. But bright and early the next morning, I went down to the courthouse and took out a domestic violence restraining order on her. While filling out the paperwork, there was a box to check to have the sheriff's department remove her from the house, and I didn't check it. The clerk asked why I didn't check it, and my reply then was the same as my reply now - I didn't want her on the street, I just wanted the bullshit to stop. The order was served, and worked. The bullshit stopped. She realized I was done with bullshit.
I didn't hate my second wife. I just got tired of the bullshit and took appropriate action. The situation defines what is "appropriate" action. Beheading innocent folk calls for an answer.
Grace's first husband was a radical Muslim. Folks on the street, Americans in general, never, ever knew that because they were in the "out" group, not in the "in" group. He didn't walk up to Americans and announce "Hi! I'm 'Waheed', and I'm a radical Muslim." Folks never knew. his sister was a professor at a university in Missouri. She was a radical, too, and no one, NO ONE, ever knew. that sort of thing is only discussed at home, among friends and family. It's not announced abroad until it's time to strike.
"Waheed" is no longer among us. Somehow, his silly ass got deported back to Syria. Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies about it. With any luck, he got eradicated along with with his ISIS buddies. I make no apologies, either. However, his sister IS still among us. They are here, make no mistake, and they will not announce their philosophy or intent individually until it is time to strike.
Casual interaction is insufficient to gauge the depth of the threat. They are not gonna tell you until the knife is at your throat. I know this for fact, from floating around in the "in" group. The only reason I wound up in Afghanistan in the 80's is because I was a Muslim, and certain factions needed an insider there - and the mujahiddeen were not accepting non-Muslim "volunteers".
Some Muslims truly are decent folk. I had one prevent me from getting blown up in an attack he knew was coming, and he did so without ever tipping me off to the attack. He just made sure I was elsewhere. He did that because we were good friends, but he kept the coming attack under wraps because he was Muslim.
There are Muslims working to bring Islam into the modern world. I commend them, but they are not yet anywhere close to being in the majority. Until they are, Islam is a threat to everything not Islamic, to the entire dar al-harb.
Threats have to be dealt with, or else consequences WILL be dealt with. It's not "hate", it's self-preservation.
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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.
Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’
(10-29-2020, 08:24 PM)Wallfire Wrote: I hate that islam has forced us to react in such a way
I don't agree with you. Islam does not have the power to make you kill people because they are Muslim.
You may think it makes you justified in your actions, but all it does is make them feel justified in their actions. So nobody wins.
You dont know me well enough to say I would want to kill muslims. For years I have called islam evil but that does not make muslims evil. Must muslims are controlled by islam, most muslims are good people.
What can happen in Europe will not be something I will be part of, but islam is pushing for it to happen. I have seen war and I have seen levels of hate I hope you never see.
Many people say the Chamberlin was a fool for always bending over for the Germans, but he was a good and brave man who had seen the horrors of WWI and wanted to save the youth from ever seeing it again. Because he was a good man who tried to stop a war in the end his actions cost the lives of 10s of millions of people.
I never said muslims should be killed , but its going to happen.
When I was still teaching courses there was one young muslin woman , may be 23-25 who was having a hard time understanding the course so I took time to help her. At the end of the course she came to me and said
"Each night I thank Allah that he brought you into my life"
I answered, thank you but I dont believe in any God.
She answered
"You dont need to, Allah believes in you"
That was one of the must beautiful things ever said to me. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is forgoodmentodonothing.
What people dont understand is that if good is to defeat evil then good must become more evil than the evil its fighting. Once the evil is defeated good must pull back from evil. This is where you and people like you will be important, to help good return after the fight.
(10-30-2020, 01:02 PM)Wallfire Wrote: What people dont understand is that if good is to defeat evil then good must become more evil than the evil its fighting.
Once the evil is defeated good must pull back from evil.
This is where you and people like you will be important, to help good return after the fight.
(10-29-2020, 08:24 PM)Wallfire Wrote: I hate that islam has forced us to react in such a way
I don't agree with you. Islam does not have the power to make you kill people because they are Muslim.
You may think it makes you justified in your actions, but all it does is make them feel justified in their actions. So nobody wins.
You dont know me well enough to say I would want to kill muslims.
I am sorry that you thought I was not referring to "you" personally, I was not. Thank you for your response, I agree with you, and we are even on the same page with most of it.
We are never going to agree on everything, and I hope we never become a land where there is no room for an independent or opposing thought.
The thought of it brings my family to mind. I grew up in a family of ten children. We never could agree on anything as children. As adults we still don't agree on anything, but we mastered the power of compromise.
Love, compassion, understanding, compromise, the willingness to look and to see beyond ourselves and the beam in our own eyes, will help us in our attempt to pull away from evil.
You just made me think of something else about my childhood. For a long time I had peers that thought my kindness meant I was weak and easy pickings. I found this amusing for a while and played along, until I had to show my hand.
I never wanted to hurt anyone because I knew what I was capable of, even if they didn't. That is why I took full responsibility for my actions. Evil has the power to manipulate the hands of the good as well.
For every one person that read this post. About 7.99 billion have not.
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(10-30-2020, 03:16 PM)Wallfire Wrote: Simone Barreto Silva, a mother who is a person of colour murdered, I find it strange that BLM is saying nothing, and no riots.
Quote:‘THIS ISN’T ISLAM’ France terror:
Dying mum-of-3 who said ‘tell kids I love them’ was carried off by hero Muslim who then confronted killer
(Left-to right) Simone Barreto Silva died after being stabbed by the terrorist.
Brahim Aoussaoui, a 21-year-old Tunisian migrant suspected of murdering three church-goers.
Church warden Vincent Loquès was the first victim named in the attack.
'A Dying mum who told medics "tell my children that I love them" after she was stabbed by a suspected
terrorist was helped by a hero Muslim who then bravely confronted the killer.
Simone Barreto Silva, 44, who had lived in France for 30 years after moving from Brazil and had three
children, succumbed to her wounds outside the Basilica of Notre-Dame in Nice, south of France.
She was among three people who were killed in the brutal attack at by suspected terrorist Brahim Aoussaoui,
a 21-year-old Tunisian migrant, who stormed the church with a 12-inch knife.
Simone died alongside church warden Vincent Loques, 54, and an unnamed third victim who has been
described as an elderly woman who was beheaded yesterday at 9am.
The mum is reported to have staggered from the church and sought refuge in a nearby restaurant where
she was helped one of the workers and by the brother of owner Brahim Jelloule.
Her profile on Facebook shows pictures of her two young sons and a daughter, and her banner photo is
a picture of Jesus.
Heartbreakingly, her final words are said to have been "tell my children that I love them".
Jelloule told TV France Info: "She crossed the street, all bloody, and it was my brother and one of our
employees who rescued her, put her inside the restaurant, without understanding anything, and she
said that there was an armed man inside the church."
His brother and the worker then went to the church to confront the killer, but found him armed with the blade.
They had no choice but to flee and called the police, who then swooped on the Catholic church -shooting
the suspect 14 times.
The restaurant owner said Simone died about an hour and a half after being stabbed despite efforts from
paramedics to save her life. "This is not Islam. I know the Koran by heart, and that’s not what he preaches,"
Jelloule said.
Simone was born in Salvador, Brazil, was a trained cook, currently worked giving care to the elderly, and
helped organize a festival of Brazilian culture every year in Nice, reports Globo...'
"Islamic fascism" (first described in 1933), also known since 1990 as "Islamofascism" is a term drawing an analogy
between the ideological characteristics of specific Islamist movements and a broad range of European fascist
movements of the early 20th century, neofascist movements, or totalitarianism..."
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The trendy hobby in France continues, but the culprits can be elusive...
Quote:Lyon attack: Suspect in Orthodox priest shooting released.
'Police in the French city of Lyon have released an initial suspect in the shooting of a Greek Orthodox priest.
The prosecutor's office said it found no evidence of the man's involvement, suggesting the gunman could still
be at large.
The shooting happened when the priest was closing his church on Saturday. He was seriously injured.
Officials have opened an investigation for attempted murder. Reports have suggested a possible personal motive.
Prosecutors said they were keeping all hypotheses open.
The shooting in Lyon happened at about 16:00 local time (15:00 GMT). Police said the attacker was armed with
a sawn-off shotgun.
In a statement on Saturday night, Lyon's public prosecutor, Nicolas Jacquet, said "a person who could correspond
to the description given by the initial witnesses has been placed in police custody". He added that the suspect had
not been carrying a weapon at the time of his arrest.
On Sunday, prosecutors said investigators had found no evidence he was linked to the attack.
The priest, identified as Nikolas Kakavelakis, was reported to be in a serious condition in hospital on Sunday.
"We pray for a speedy recovery and unequivocally condemn all forms of violence," said the Greek Orthodox Holy
Diocese of France.
The incident on Saturday came days after three people were killed in a knife attack at a church in the southern city of Nice.
French President Emmanuel Macron called the killings an "Islamist terrorist attack" and deployed thousands of extra
soldiers to protect public sites, including places of worship.
Prime Minister Jean Castex on Saturday said the government was determined to allow "each and everyone to practice
their worship in complete safety and in complete freedom"...'
Fuck this planet. Fuck these humans. Do not get me wrong, i like rogue nation, everyone here is nice or at least neutral.
But carry me away. Somewhere. Anywhere.
Yeah i might say irrational things. I might smell like a hangover fart, occasionally, not often, i like the fresh feeling right after a shower.
But i REFUSE to use physical, mental or spiritual violence against any living being. Carry me away, to some place, where everyone can obey that principle. Is that too much to ask? wait.... don't answer, i know. It is too much to ask.
"Man is fully responsible for his nature and his choices."
'A suspect has admitted to the shooting of a Greek Orthodox priest in the French city of Lyon
last week over a personal dispute, prosecutors have said.
The 40-year-old suspect told prosecutors the priest was having an affair with his wife.
The priest, Nikolaos Kakavelakis, 52, was shot twice with a sawn-off shotgun outside his church on 31 October.
He spoke to police after coming out of a coma on Wednesday. The shooting came days after three people were
killed in a knife attack at a church in the southern French city of Nice.
It was initially feared to be a copycat of what French President Emmanuel Macron called an "Islamist terrorist
attack" in Nice. The motive for the shooting in Lyon was not clear at first, with officials opening an investigation
for attempted murder.
But the investigation progressed this week when the priest was able to talk to the police.
The suspect, who is said to be of Georgian nationality, was arrested at his home in Lyon on Friday,
French newspaper Le Parisien reported.
The newspaper, citing a statement from Lyon's public prosecutor, Nicolas Jacquet, said the suspect
"turns out to be the husband of a woman who was having an affair with the victim".
The suspect told prosecutors he had not intended to kill the priest, who was romantically involved with
his wife, a 35-year-old Russian, the newspaper said.
The priest, who is recovering after surgery, had announced his resignation from the church a month earlier...'
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