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John G. Trump

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John G. Trump
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Prof. Emeritus John Trump, c. 1979.
John George Trump
August 21, 1907
New York City, U.S.
February 21, 1985 (aged 77)
Boston, Massachusetts, U.S.
Alma mater
New York University Tandon School of Engineering
Columbia University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Known for
Van de Graaff generator
Electron beam sterilization of wastewater[1][2]
King's Medal for Service (1947)
President's Certificate (1948)
Lamme Medal (1960)
National Medal of Science (1983)
Scientific career
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
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Trump Family Portrait, from left to right: [url=]Fred, Frederick, Elizabeth, Elizabeth Christ, and John, 1918

John George Trump (August 21, 1907 – February 21, 1985) was an American electrical engineer, inventor, and physicist. He was a recipient of U.S. President Ronald Reagan's National Medal of Science, and a member of the National Academy of Engineering.[3][4][5]John Trump was noted for developing rotational radiation therapy.[3] Together with Robert J. Van de Graaff, he developed one of the first million-volt X-ray generators. He was the paternal uncle of U.S. President Donald Trump.


Early life[edit]
Trump was the youngest of three children and the second son of German immigrants Frederick Trump and Elizabeth Christ Trump. He was born August 21, 1907, in New York City.

After his father's untimely death in 1918, John was financed through college, from bachelor to doctorate, by his brother Fred.[citation needed] Fred had joined their mother in real estate development and management while still in his teens (Elizabeth Trump & Son). Initially, the brothers tried working together building houses, but they had differing expectations.[citation needed] The brothers dissolved their partnership, and John pursued a career in electrical engineering.

Trump received his bachelor's degree in electrical engineering from the New York University Tandon School of Engineering (then Polytechnic Institute of Brooklyn) in 1929, his master's degree in physics from Columbia University, and his doctorate of electrical engineering from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in 1933. He was a professor at MIT from 1936 until 1973.

War service[edit]
During World War II, Trump switched from work on hospital X-ray machines to research into similar technologies with a more direct application to warfare, especially the development of radar. During 1940, he joined the newly formed National Defense Research Committee (NDRC), as technical aide to Karl Compton, President of MIT and the Chairman of the Radar Division.[6]

During 1942, Trump became Secretary of the Microwave Committee, a sub-committee of the NDRC. The director of the Microwave Committee was Alfred Lee Loomis, the millionaire physicist, who decided to create a laboratory. He selected a site for it, chose a suitably discreet and ambiguous name for it and funded the construction, until the Federal administration was established. The new institution was the MIT Radiation Laboratory, or the "Rad Lab". The British were also researching radar, which they termed Radio Direction Finder (RDF), and had started much earlier. Their Tizard Mission to the US showed how much more sophisticated they were with some of the technologies, particularly the magnetron. The US decided to send a team to Britain to help coordinate the efforts of the two Allies. The unit was known as the "British Branch of the Radiation Laboratory" (BBRL) and operated as a department of Britain's Telecommunications Research Establishment (TRE) at Malvern, in Worcestershire. In 1943, as the technical aide in Division 14 of the NDRC, Trump reviewed and analyzed the papers of Dr. Nikola Tesla when Dr. Tesla died in a New York City hotel. The research was completed on behalf of the Alien property Custodian office in Washington DC. From February 1944 to the end of the war in Europe, Trump was the Director of the BBRL.[7] During this time, Trump also served in the Advisory Specialist Group on Radar, advising USAAFGeneral Carl Spaatz on navigational radar, precision-bombing radar, and also defenses against the German radars found in their night-fighters and in their flak units. The systems included: GeeOboeLORANH2X, MEW & SCR-584. Trump worked with all the most important British radar experts, including Sir Robert Watson-WattA.P. Rowe and Bernard Lovell. At the end of the war, Trump also had interviews with Germany's main radar technicians. Trump received recognition for his war-work from both the United States and the United Kingdom.[citation needed]

John G. Trump married, and he and his wife had three children: the late John Gordon Trump, Jr. (1938 - 2012) of Watertown, Massachusetts, Christine Philp of New London, New Hampshire, and Karen Ingraham of Los Alamos, New Mexico; and six grandchildren.[3]His nephew Donald John Trump was inaugurated as the 45th President of the United States in 2017.

Later life[edit]
During 1946 Trump, Robert J. Van de Graaff, and Denis M. Robinson initiated the High Voltage Engineering Corporation (HVEC) to produce Van de Graaff generators.[3]

He returned to MIT to teach and direct research for three decades after the war. Trump died in Boston on February 21, 1985.[8]

The National Academy of Engineering described Trump as "a pioneer in the scientific, engineering and medical applications of high voltage machinery".[4] James Melcher, Trump’s lab director, is quoted as saying: "John, over a period of three decades, would be approached by people of all sorts because he could make megavolt beams of ions and electrons – death rays. … What did he do with it? Cancer research, sterilizing sludge out in Deer Island [a waste disposal facility], all sorts of wondrous things. He didn’t touch the weapons stuff."[9]

Awards and honors[edit]
Trump received a number of awards including:


  1. Jump up^ "Sewage Problem Solved"Spokane Daily Chronicle. 21 May 1977. Retrieved 19 Aug 2015.

  2. Jump up^ US 2123728 "High Energy Electron Treatment of Water" of Dr. John G. Trump, requested by High Voltage Engineering Corp

  3. Jump up to:a b c d e f g h "JOHN TRUMP DIES - ENGINEER WAS 78" 1985-02-26. Retrieved 2016-12-24.

  4. Jump up to:a b "John George Trump | Memorial Tributes: National Academy of Engineering, Volume 3 | The National Academies Press"Nap.edudoi:10.17226/1384. Retrieved 2016-12-24.

  5. Jump up^ "The President's National Medal of Science: Recipient Details | NSF - National Science Foundation" Retrieved 2016-12-24.

  6. Jump up^ "J. G. Trump - Engineering and Technology History Wiki" 2016-01-29. Retrieved 2016-12-24.

  7. Jump up^ "Private Papers of Dr J G Trump (Documents.4461)" 1999-02-22. Retrieved 2016-12-24.

  8. Jump up^ "Eric Dubois: Academic Genealogy" Retrieved 2016-12-24.

  9. Jump up^ Science for the People, January/February 1988, p25, Retrieved 2016-11-4.

False Memory

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Similar false memories are sometimes shared by multiple people.[url=][26]
[27] For example, a somewhat commonly reported false memory is that the name of the Berenstain Bears was once spelled Berenstein.[28][29]

Another reported example is the speech Sally Field gave accepting her second Oscar for her starring role in the 1984 drama Places in the Heart. Field's gushing acceptance speech is widely misremembered and has since been parodied as excessive. She said, "I haven't had an orthodox career, and I've wanted more than anything to have your respect. The first time I didn't feel it, but this time I feel it—and I can't deny the fact that you like me, right now, you like me!" Field was actually making a humorous reference to dialog from her role in Norma Rae, but many people missed the connection and have widely misquoted her as saying, "You like me! You really like me!"[30]

Another reported example is the widespread occurrence of false memories of a movie titled Shazaam and starring the comedian Sinbad; such false memories may be the product of a confluence of factors such as the presence of a character named Sinbad in The Thousand and One Nights, the casting of Shaquille O'Neal as a genie in the similarly named 1996 film Kazaam, and cross-race effects increasing the likelihood that non-members of a given ethnic group will mistake members of that group for each other even when those members' appearances are so dissimilar as to be easily distinguishable by most other members of that group.[26]

One study examined people who were familiar with the clock at Bologna Centrale railway station, which had been damaged in the Bologna massacre of 1980. In the study, 92% falsely remembered that the clock had remained stopped since the bombing; in fact, the clock was repaired shortly after the attack but was again stopped 16 years later as a symbolic commemoration.[27]

In 2010 this phenomenon of collective false memory was dubbed the "Mandela Effect" by self-described "paranormal consultant" Fiona Broome, in reference to a false memory she reports, of the death of South African leader Nelson Mandela in the 1980s (rather than in 2013 when he actually died), which she claims is shared by "perhaps thousands" of other people.[31] Broome has speculated about alternate realities as an explanation, but most commentators suggest that these are instead examples of false memories shaped by similar factors affecting multiple people,[32][33][26][34][29][35][36] such as social reinforcement of incorrect memories,[37][38] or false news reports and misleading photographs influencing the formation of memories based on them.[39][38]

Supposedly the Mandella Effect is a response to this


20 Examples Of The Mandela Effect That’ll Make You Believe You’re In A Parallel Universe

Maybe it’s parallel universes or time travel, maybe it’s just bad memory — either way, it’s fascinating.

Posted on October 13, 2016, at 7:04 a.m.

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There’s an unexplained phenomenon that you’ve probably experienced without knowing what it’s called, and it’s garnering more and more attention lately. "The Mandela effect" is what the internet is calling those curious instances in which many of us are certain we remember something a particular way, but it turns out we’re incorrect.
The name of the theory comes from many people feeling certain they could remember Nelson Mandela dying while he was still in prison back in the ’80s. Contrary to what many thought, Mandela’s actual death was on Dec. 5, 2013, despite some people claiming to remember seeing clips of his funeral on TV.
These false memories have some people thinking their memory sucks, but some wonder if they’ve gone to a parallel universe, or if time travelers have gone to the past and slightly affected our present, or if they’re simply losing their freakin’ minds. Whichever it is, what’s most interesting about the Mandela effect is that so many individuals share the same false memories.

1. “Oscar Meyer” isn’t spelled that way.
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In actuality, the famous brand of hot dogs and lunch meats is Oscar Mayer, but people have grown frustrated because they remember it as Meyer, with an “e.” A lot of people recall the jingle from the commercials and insist the lyrics were “My bologna has a first name, it’s O-S-C-A-R / My bologna has a second name, it’s M-A-Y-E-R!” Still, somehow, it’s actually Mayer, though many people think that’s the real bologna here.

2. The show isn't called Sex in the City.
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It’s Sex and the City, but many people insist they remember it being “in the” at some point. Some people have even posted pictures of old memorabilia they have that supports their false memory.

3. “We Are the Champions” by Queen ends differently than many recall.
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Many of those familiar with the song remember the final lyrics being “No time for losers, ’cause we are the champions…of the world!” Guess what? There is no “of the world!” The song just ends, and it’s driving people crazy because they feel 100% sure that they’ve heard otherwise in the past.

4. People think the Monopoly man, Rich Uncle Pennybags, has a monocle, but he doesn’t.
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Perhaps they’re just confusing him with Mr. Peanut, the Planters peanut mascot, who also wears a top hat and carries around a cane, but there are a number of people who can’t seem to grasp how the Monopoly man is monocle-less, when they've distinctly known him to have one.

5. The tip of Pikachu’s tail isn’t black.
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People remember there being a black mark on Pikachu's tail, but if you take a look at Pikachu now, you’ll see nothing there. How so many people can remember an aspect of this character’s appearance that doesn’t actually exist, the world may never know.

6. "The Berenstein Bears" are actually called "the Berenstain Bears."
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This is one of the more popular Mandela effect debates, in which some people seem to recall the book series/cartoon about a family of bears being known as The Berenstein Bears. However, if you look now, they’re actually called The Berenstain Bears. Many folks insist they remember it being spelled with an “e,” and one Redditor even found an old VHS tape of the cartoon, and the label shows “Berenstein.”

7. Curious George never had a tail.
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A lot of people even claim to remember seeing him use his tail to swing from the trees. If you look up pictures of Curious George right now, you’ll see that he doesn’t have a tail, meaning either your memory made the whole thing up or you’ve, like, drifted into a parallel universe.

8. Chick-fil-A is not spelled Chic-fil-A, or Chik-fil-A.
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There are a lot of people who insist they remember the popular fast-food chicken restaurant being known as Chic-fil-A, and there are even some who think it was Chik-fil-A. However, neither of those are correct, because the company has allegedly, supposedly, reputedly always been Chick-fil-A.

9. Darth Vader doesn’t say, “Luke, I am your father.”
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“Luke, I am your father” is one of the most famous phrases from film, but many are discovering that it's not what Darth Vader said. He actually says, “No, I am your father.” So, is this just a misremembered movie line or did some otherworldly shenanigans take place? This isn’t the only Star Wars–related Mandela effect instance…

10. C-3PO isn’t all gold.
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Many Star Wars fanatics recall C-3PO being completely gold and were greatly thrown off upon discovering that he’s supposedly had a silver leg the entire time. A lot of memorabilia doesn’t even feature the silver leg. Needless to say it was a surprise to fans who have seen the films so many times, yet never noticed the distinct feature on a popular character.

11. Mister Rogers' theme song opening line is different than people remember.
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During the Mister Rogers' Neighborhood intro, he’d sing a little jingle that many people remember beginning with the line, “It’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood.” That’s not what it was, though — instead, he clearly states, “It’s a beautiful day in this neighborhood,” which just doesn’t sound right to those who feel like they know the correct wording without a shadow of a doubt.

12. People think the Mona Lisa is smiling now, but she used to be emotionless.
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A lot of folks passionately insist that the Mona Lisa has changed, because they remember her having a straight face, but now they feel it seems as if she’s got a smirk.

13. Kit Kat doesn’t have a dash.
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Some people seem to remember there being a dash in Kit Kat, making it “Kit-Kat,” but there isn’t one, and that frustrates them because they’re sure that once upon a time, there was one.

14. People remember a Sinbad genie movie from the ’90s, but there isn’t one.
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Many claim to recall a genie movie from the ’90s that starred Sinbad; the only problem is, there never was one. Those same people insist they aren’t confusing it with the 1996 flick Kazaam, which starred Shaq as a genie. They don’t know the title, or what happened to the movie’s existence, but they’re all very certain that once upon a time, it was a thing.

15. Life isn’t like a box of chocolates.
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It seems that the majority of people confidently remember Forrest Gump stating that his mama always said, “Life is like a box of chocolates.” Well, it turns out that he actually said, “Life was like a box of chocolates,” despite what you may’ve felt you distinctly remembered.

16. Hannibal Lecter never said “Hello, Clarice.”
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If you’ve seen The Silence of the Lambs, you know the most famous line is “Hello, Clarice.” The only problem is, that never happened — and when Clarice first meets Hannibal Lecter, he simply says, “Good morning.” That's it. How is a film’s most well-known line nonexistent? Nobody knows, and it’s eating away at people.

17. Interview With the Vampire isn’t called Interview With a Vampire.
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It’s actually Interview With the Vampire, despite the fact that entering “Interview With” into Google shows Interview With a Vampire as the top search, because most people remember that being the title.

18. The Queen in Snow White never said, “Mirror, mirror on the wall.”
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While the famous Snow White quote you’ve probably heard others say and repeated yourself is “Mirror, mirror on the wall,” it turns out the correct line is “Magic mirror on the wall.” Some people also remember the second part of that quote being “Who is the fairest of them all?” but apparently it's “Who is the fairest one of all?”

19. Jiffy peanut butter doesn’t exist.
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It's called Jif, even though people remember the popular brand of peanut butter being called “Jiffy” and having a campaign that told mothers they could fix their kids a snack “in a jiffy.” Jiffy has certainly been embedded in the minds of many, and it was even spotted in American Dad, during an episode in which the character is uncovering a conspiracy.

20. Fruit Loops is actually spelled “Froot Loops.”
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Some say it was originally "Fruit Loops" and then changed to "Froot Loops,” while others believe it went from “Froot Loops” to “Fruit Loops." Many people claim this change happened during their childhood, while others say they just noticed it in recent months. Whatever you believe, if you google the cereal or find a box in real life, you’ll see “Froot Loops” printed across the front. Unless, of course, you’re reading this from some other dimension.

Very interesting

Mandela Effect

it has a list with links
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but this is a very funny thing

The time travellers are Star Trek fans

Star Trek’s Chakotay – Story Line

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[img=217x0][/img]The comments at this post relate to the Star Trek TV series and movies.
Here’s the original, related article:

Did Chakotay die in a mid-season episode of Star Trek: Voyager, and return — with no explanation — several episodes later?
This question was raised at Dragon*Con 2010 in Atlanta, Georgia, in a conversation between two fans of Star Trek: Voyager and actor Robert Beltran, who portayed the character, Chakotay.

Two people at Dragon*Con clearly remembered Chakotay’s death in a mid-season episode. They recalled his baffling (but welcomed) return, about four or five episodes later.  They described the episode in detail, and wanted to know why there had been no explanation for Chakotay’s return.

Robert Beltran was surprised by the question. He said his character didn’t die at that time, no episode like that was filmed, and — as far as he knew — it was never even discussed by the writers and producers.

I joined that conversation because I overheard it and immediately connected it with the Mandela Effect.
I referred to it in my article, Nelson Mandela Died in Prison?  I was making a point about how we explain to ourselves our alternate memories, preferring something logical within our everyday reality.

In that article, I said:
During Dragon*Con 2010, someone insisted that he remembered a Star Trek episode that — according to one star of the show — was never filmed.  The person who remembered the alternate episode wasn’t weird or wild-eyed… he was a very normal person, and only referenced the episode as part of a routine conversation.

I was there when he heard that the episode never existed.  He was stunned, and quickly tried to find a logical explanation for his “faulty” memory.

Since then, the Chakotay topic has generated interesting discussions.

The following are some comments related to Chakotay, Star Trek, and a story line that — apparently — never existed in our timeline.

On 3 Mar 2012, Joe said:
I have read about that vanishing Star Trek episode before years ago on some discussion forum, but can’t remember the details. Do you have a description by chance? I swear I remember looking it up and remembering it being aired but not being able to find a description anywhere, much like the person mentioned above.

I replied:
The fan was talking with Robert Beltran, and the fan said how happy he and his wife had been, when the Chakotay character was “brought back” into the story. The fan said how disappointed they’d been, when the character had been killed off.

That fan — with his wife by his side — asked Robert Beltran why there hadn’t been an explanation in the story. They said that Chakotay had just reappeared, as if he’d never died and never been out of the Star Trek series at all.

Mr. Beltran looked at the fan, confused, and said that Chakotay hadn’t been killed during the series, and so there was no “return” to explain.

Both the fan and his wife did their best to take this in stride, but I could see that they were baffled. That’s why I decided to talk with them, give them my card, and tell them that — if they had other questions — to let me know.

This was a moment when it wasn’t just one person’s memory. It was the memory of two people, who were in complete agreement about what they’d seen on the TV.

As I left them, they were still trying to figure out what it was that they actually saw, because neither of them had another explanation for something they remembered so clearly.

When these things happen, the logical assumption is, “Oh, I must have been mistaken.” However, when two people are in complete agreement, and they both experienced the event, this becomes unsettling.

On 4 July 2012, tsadowq said (in a longer comment):
Isn’t it interesting that Whoopi Goldberg’s character “Guinan” (sp?) is from a race that is aware of these alterations in the timestream? There are at least two episodes where the timeline changes, and she is the only member of the Enterprise crew who is aware of it.

On 6 May 2013, Ironic said:
Actually, in the final episode ‘Endgame’, Chakotay did die, but it was an alternate reality, if you can believe that. His wife Seven of 9 was killed and when he returned to Earth it is implied he killed himself. Janeway goes back in time and changes it so Seven and he live. How’s that for ironic??

On 27 December 2013, T said:
I also remember the “missing” Star Trek Voyager episode with Chakotay being killed, then returning a week or so later like nothing happened; this was a midseason episode, not to be confused with the series finale “Endgame”.

On 28 Dec 2013, Gurluas commented:
Being a Voyager fan I am interested in the episode where Chakotay died…Maybe in that reality they decided to replace him instead of Kes?

Here’s some of what I said in my reply:
I happened to be near Robert Beltran’s “Walk of Fame” table at Dragon*Con when the couple approached him with the question about Chakotay’s death and unexplained return. They didn’t give a whole lot of information, but I got the idea there was a lapse of about five episodes before Chakotay returned, as if nothing had happened.

Beltran replied that the show had never filmed anything like that, not even as an alternate ending to a storyline. As far as he knew, nothing along those lines had ever been written, either.

When I spoke with Beltran later, he said he’d never heard that kind of question before, so he had no insights at all…

Since that particular couple recalled Chakotay’s death — and both were absolutely certain of the episode where he died — I’m sure others do, too. It seems pretty rare for someone to have one of these celebrity-related memories, unless others have that same memory.

What really interests me is:
 They described episodes between Chakotay’s death and his return to the show. So, either both people (husband & wife) were in an alternate reality for at least a month (starting with the episode where Chakotay died, plus at least three or four episodes without him), or they “slid” for the episode where he was killed and… I don’t know, were there any sequential episodes where Chakotay was missing for other (scripted) reasons? (I’m wondering if they “slid” and saw the episode in which Chakotay died, and then slid back into their home universe at another, unrelated point where — in our current timestream — Chakotay wasn’t featured for a few weeks.)

That might contribute to an understanding of the duration of slides.

My recollection of Nelson Mandela’s funeral involved days. The same is true for the times I turned on the TV, saw that they were still covering Billy Graham’s death, and I turned off the TV, immediately.

So, for those particular “slides,” I was in a different reality for days or longer.

The Chakotay incident seems to involve weeks. The more information we can gather about extended events like that, the more clues we’ll have regarding the duration of some (not necessarily all) “slides.”

Gurluas replied:

Chakotay may have been missing for a few episodes, but definitely not five in sequence. It would be interesting to find out when in the series this exactly happened.

Robert Beltran was an outspoken critic of where his character and the show was going.

It’s very possible that in some other reality he insulted some executive and he decided to end Chakotay’s run early. A bit similar to what happened to the Professor on Sliders.

(My thoughts, after a few conversations with Robert Beltran: He’s one of those forthright people who speaks his mind. I’ll admit I’d expected him to be “just a pretty face,” but he’s a thoughtful guy with intelligence, integrity, and humility that shine through. In most realities, I’d expect him to be honest, and outspoken when he needed to be.)

Later on 28 Dec 2013, Gurluas suggested:
Anything is possible. But I personally believe that either our memories are being overwritten by another reality, or we make short jaunts to other realities without noticing it.

I believe it is the former. As our memories for the most part, everything that defines us. If we get a few days of memory from a reality almost identical to ours, we most likely wont notice.

The problem for some when these events appear to happen in real time.

An example being, the couple who watched Star Trek Voyager, and saw Robert Beltran’s character Chakotay die, then he was gone for several episodes and back.Did they live in another reality for those episodes? Or was their memory overwritten with information where they watched those things happen?

The most common effect appears to be emotional though. Real memories seem to be rare.

Often people remembers being sad that someone dies for instance, but they do not remember concrete memories, just emotions.

I was asking some people some time ago. And I asked about Billy Graham, and someone I knew remembers being sad at his death. With further inquiry, it wasn’t the priest Billy Graham, but the wrestler. He is ALSO not dead.

I believe that some things can leak over. And it can be anything from emotions, to memories, to light (ghosts), and even to flesh and blood beings. and exotic particles.

That’s where this discussion is, as of late December 2013. I hope you’ll share your thoughts and comments, below.  I’m especially interested in hearing from others who recall the “missing” Chakotay episode, and those who can use that TV show — or something similar — to put a bracket (a time frame) around a series of events that weren’t in our current timeline.

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Proof.. I am not starting anything but

Seth MacFarlane

Quote:September 11, 2001 experience[edit]

On the morning of September 11, 2001, MacFarlane was scheduled to return to Los Angeles on American Airlines Flight 11 from Boston. Suffering from a hangover after the previous night's celebrations that followed his speech at his alma mater, the Rhode Island School of Design,[180] and with an incorrect departure time (8:15 a.m. instead of 7:45 a.m.) from his travel agent,[181][182] he arrived at Logan International Airport about ten minutes too late to board the flight as the gates had been closed.[181][182] Fifteen minutes after departure, American Airlines Flight 11 was hijacked,[183] and at 8:46 a.m. it was flown into the North Tower of the World Trade Center, killing everyone on board.[184]MacFarlane said,
Quote:The only reason it hasn't really affected me as it maybe could have is I didn't really know that I was in any danger until after it was over, so I never had that panic moment. After the fact, it was sobering, but people have a lot of close calls; you're crossing the street and you almost get hit by a car..... this one just happened to be related to something massive. I really can't let it affect me because I'm a comedy writer. I have to put that in the back of my head.[185]

I am not trying to derail my own thread
but, I wonder who he was drinking with to celebrate


He created Orville
Star Trek better then Star Trek Discovery

Books exist

Baron Trump's Marvellous Underground Journey

1900 or the Last President



Barron Trump novels
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Frontispiece from Baron Trump's Marvellous Underground Journey. The caption reads: "Only Authentic Portrait of Wilhelm Heinrich Sebastian Von Troomp (From the Oil Painting)"

The Baron Trump novels are two children's novels written in 1889 and 1893 by the American author and lawyer [url=]Ingersoll Lockwood. They remained obscure until 2017, when they received media attention for perceived similarities between their protagonist and U.S. President Donald Trump.


19th century publication and reception[edit]
Ingersoll published the first novel, Travels and adventures of Little Baron Trump and his wonderful dog Bulger, in 1889, and its sequel, Baron Trump's Marvelous Underground Journey, in 1893. The novels recount the adventures of the German boy Wilhelm Heinrich Sebastian Von Troomp, who goes by "Baron Trump", as he discovers weird underground civilizations, offends the natives, flees from his entanglements with local women, and repeats this pattern until arriving back home at Castle Trump.[1]

The novels were part of a trend in American children's literature that responded to the demand for fantastic adventure stories triggered by Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland (1865). They were however indifferently received and did not enter the canon of children's literature.[1] A 1891 reviewer wrote about one of Ingersoll's novels: "The author labors through three hundred pages of fantastic and grotesque narrative, now and then striking a spark of wit; but the sparks emit little light and no warmth, and one has to fumble for the story."[2]
2017 rediscovery[edit]

In July 2017, the books were rediscovered by Internet forum users, and then the media, who amused themselves by highlighting perceived similarities between the protagonist and U.S. President Donald Trump, whose son is named Barron Trump.[1] Jaime Fuller wrote in Politico that Baron Trump is "precocious, restless, and prone to get in trouble", often mentions his massive brain, and has a personalized insult for most people he meets.[1] Chris Riotta noted in Newsweek that Baron Trump's adventures begin in Russia, and also mentioned another book of Ingersoll's, The Last President, in which the president's home city of New York is riven by protests against a rigged presidential election.[3]

As of July 2017, filmmaker and Trump supporter Leigh Scott was reported to plan a crowdsourcing campaign to produce a feature film adaptation of the Baron Trump novels.[3]
External links[edit]


  1. Jump up to:a b c d Fuller, Jaime (7 October 2017). "Trump Is the Star of These Bizarre Victorian Novels"POLITICO Magazine. Retrieved 7 October 2017.
  2. Jump up^ The Atlantic Monthly, vol. LXVII (1891), p. 131. Jaime Fuller associates this review with a Baron Trump novel, but the archives of The Atlantic indicate it was about Ingersoll's apparently similar novel "Wonderful Deeds and Doings of Little Giant Boab and his Talking Raven Tabib".
  3. Jump up to:a b Riotta, Chris (31 July 2017). "Did an author from the 1800s predict the Trumps, Russia and America's downfall?"Newsweek.
Whoa!  So much information to go through... and videos to watch.    tinybiggrin
A subject that I can sink my teeth into too. 

I might save this for the weekend when I usually get bored because everyone else is watching football or out having a good time, but I WILL look over all of it.

This is going to be interesting!   

Awesome thread!   smallawesome
Tesla proved more or less that time travel is possible.
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I believe time travel to the past might be possible, because the past already excises, the past is made up of things that have already happened.
To travel into the future means you must be traveling in to something that already is there, and that means that every thing we do has been predetermined. To put it another way, we are just along for the ride, our life has no meaning as such,we have no control, the good and bad things we do are not our choice.
People who kill rape and murder are not "bad" people but just doing what has been planed before hand.
This is not the sort of world I want to live in.
Perhaps this will help people understand what the "Mandela Effect" is.

Quote:Remembering the Mandela Effect
Some claim that certain common false memories are evidence for alternate realities.  
by Brian Dunning
Filed under General ScienceParanormal
Skeptoid Podcast #560
February 28, 2017
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Ever have one of those moments where you watch an old movie or pick up an old book, and hear a quote or see something that stands in stark contrast to what you thought you remembered? We all have. But what about a special case, where the exact same broken memory is shared by a large number of people? At first glance, it seems like this must be something different. It's no surprise that any of us individually might remember something wrong; but for a whole group to share an identical false memory seems to suggest that there might be a new phenomenon at work. It's been called the Mandela Effect.
The Mandela Effect is named for one of its most famous examples, that of Nelson Mandela, whose funeral some people remembered after he supposedly died in prison. Mandela was arrested in 1962 and sentenced to life in prison in South Africa, but he survived it and was released in 1990. He was President of South Africa from 1994 to 1999, and some of those same people said "Wait, he died in prison, I watched the funeral on TV." He didn't actually die until 2013; and every time his name came up, these same people said "Wait a minute, I thought he was dead."
Now, this group who erroneously remembered that Mandela had died did not include me, but I'm sure some people thought he had. One who did was psychic ghost hunter Fiona Broome, who writes that she discovered that some people she knew also thought that Mandela had died. Seeking an explanation for what she described as an "emerging phenomenon", she turned not to social science, but to some nebulous concept of alternate realities. In her own words:

Quote:The "Mandela Effect" is what happens when someone has a clear memory of something that never happened in this reality. Many of us — mostly total strangers — remember the exact same events with the exact same details. However, our memories are different from what's in history books, newspaper archives, and so on. This isn't a conspiracy, and we're not talking about "false memories." Many of us speculate that parallel realities exist, and we've been "sliding" between them without realizing it. (Others favor the idea that we're each enjoying holodeck experiences, possibly with some programming glitches. In my opinion, these aren't mutually exclusive.)

Is a lot of people remembering something wrong evidence for alternate realities? Not really. What it is is an observation. In the scientific method, an observation is the starting point. We then develop hypotheses to explain the observation, then we test the hypotheses, and if any of them passes the testing and offers strong evidence, it then becomes the theory that explains the observation, which may change and improve over time. We'll take Broome's alternate realities on board as one hypothesis. But before we go any further, let's expand our observations to see what examples there are besides Nelson Mandela.
The most famous is that of the Berenstain Bears, a series of more than 300 children's books, written by Stan and Jan Berenstain, and later continued by their son Mike Berenstain. Many people remember reading these as children as the Berenstein Bears. It seems that at some point, the publisher changed the title, and the usual explanation is that there was still sufficient anti-Semitism in the United States in the 1970s and 1980s that Berenstein was changed to Berenstainto make the title more palatable.
I myself have a specific memory of sitting in a public library as a kid, holding a Berenstein Bearsbook, and specifically pondering the title. I thought a Bearenstein was like a monster man called Frankenstein or a monster truck called Truckenstein — a Bearenstein was just a really awesome bear, to my 10-year-old mind. I did study the spelling because I remember being annoyed there was no "A" in the "Bear" part of the name. So, my thinking has always been, I couldn't possibly have missed it if had been spelled Berenstain instead of the Berenstein I'm sure I saw. So, growing up, I always uncritically accepted that somewhere in those intervening years, the publishers must have changed the spelling to make the name less "offensively" Jewish.
There was even at least one case where a video cassette of a Berenstain Bears cartoon was published with title actually printed on the tape as Berenstein. It seems that the person who typed that in may have been yet another victim of this famous example of the Mandela Effect.
Similarly, the story goes that the HBO series Sex and the City had originally been named Sex in the City until the network censors changed it to make it less overtly suggestive of people actually in the act of having sex. Many remember that it was Sex in the City for just the first season, and others remember it as having always been Sex in the City for its entire run, with the change having been made only after the series was completed and so only applying to syndication and reruns.
Everyone seems to remember enjoying Jiffy peanut butter as a kid, but there was never any such brand — which I found hard to believe when I first heard it.
There are a number of popular examples of the Mandela Effect in movies. Everyone seems to remember Humphrey Bogart saying "Play it again, Sam," yet it's a line he never said in Casablancaor any other film. Everyone seems to remember the evil queen in Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs saying "Mirror, mirror, on the wall", a line she never said either (and I bet nobody remembers that her name was Grimhilde). Everyone seems to remember the comedian Sinbad starring as a genie in a cheesy comedy film titled Shazaam, but no such movie exists.
There are other examples, of course, but these half dozen or so are the ones that appear not only on Broome's site, but also on the Snopes page about the Mandela Effect, the subreddit, and various other pages about the phenomenon.
But — is the Mandela Effect a phenomenon at all? At least, is it, in some way that's distinct from types of false memories already well established in psychology? Let's look at our examples and see if they have anything interesting in common.
The three movie examples, "Play it again, Sam", "Mirror, mirror, on the wall", and Shazaam, all turn out to be substantially the same as the real versions. "Play it again, Sam" is sort of a hybrid of two lines said by Bogart and Bergman in Casablanca, and it was also the title of a 1972 movie in reference to the famous phrase; and the phrase does effectively communicate what the characters meant. "Magic mirror on the wall" was what Queen Grimhilde actually said in the movie, which is close enough, and an easy enough mistake to make. And the genie movie was titled Kazaam, starring Shaquille O'Neal, not Shazaam, starring Sinbad; probably a simple case of people conflating the spelling of Shaquille's unusual first name with the genie's, and accidentally associating Sinbad whose name matches the Arabian theme of the genie (it's not like it's a Hollywood classic where anyone cares about the details). Heck, for a long time, Jink Jink was as close as my memory would get to Jar Jar Binks. Anyhow, getting a movie quote wrong by a word or two is the rule, not the exception, for most people. No alternate realities are required to explain this, and these aren't really even false memories so much as they are normally degraded memories. "Play it again, Sam" and "Mirror mirror" have been thrust upon us in pop culture so many times that it would be more surprising if we remembered the original versions instead. We don't remember them wrong; we remember the more common versions instead.
The peanut butter is called Jif, not Jiffy, and always has been; though from a survey of forum discussions, it turns out a number of people remember it changing. Are we forced to conclude that such people must have slipped from one alternate reality to another, or can we allow for the possibility of memory's thoroughly-proven fuzziness to be the only needed explanation? Jiffy Pop popcorn and Jiffy Lube oil change are just two products using the common word jiffy, and provide precisely the kind of common conflation that would make us confuse Jif and Jiffy.
Remember the old painting of Henry VIII holding a turkey leg? No, you remember hundreds of 20th century cartoons of Henry VIII holding a turkey leg. There was never an old painting depicting this. You're not remembering anything wrong; you're correctly remembering the more common image in pop culture.
It's the same with Berenstein and Berenstain. How many names end with stain compared to stein? Very few. Since these books were probably ones that you read as a child, your memory of its spelling and pronunciation is likely colored by a lifetime of hearing a much more common version.
On February 11, 1990, Nelson Mandela was released from prison after 27 years. Reporters from all over the world covered the event. Tens of thousands of South Africans attended. A convoy of cars, escorted by police, transported Mandela into Capetown where he and other leaders of the African National Congress addressed the crowd. The event lasted much of the day and was a powerful moment of solemn pride. Many Americans watched some part of it on the news, and retained some vague memory of something on TV about a large dignified event in South Africa pertaining to Nelson Mandela, a name many generally recognized but didn't (at the time) know a whole lot about. Some leader of the movement to oppose apartheid. It shouldn't be too surprising that in later years, when the name Nelson Mandela came up, some Americans might remember seeing some large state procession on TV that could easily be mistaken for a funeral.
If Fiona Broome had been a cognitive psychologist instead of a psychic ghost hunter, the idea of a Mandela Effect might never have existed. Our brains confabulate invented memories to fill in the gaps inherent in old recollections. We misattribute later memories to earlier events, gradually replacing what we actually heard in the movie theater with the more common pop-culture version. And most of all, we simply forget things that weren't all that important to begin with; and when we hear a close-enough version later, we adopt it as a good-enough replacement. When that new version is a common one, perhaps made public in the media, it's a certainty that many of us will adopt it and replace the old fuzzy memory. With apologies to Ms. Broome, we need look no further than common, well-known cognitive errors to explain the Mandela Effect. It is not necessary to introduce concepts like parallel dimensions or alternate realities; or indeed, to have a Mandela Effect at all.
Hello every one,

Personnaly, I'm convinced that Tesla was a Genious and discovered many things...

I found this story very fascinating concerning Trump and his Time travel.  However, what bothered me, it was that I remembered a video (view a couple years ago) about an american soldier (non identify) who was a soldier experencing time travel and how it was really hard for their body.

Now, is Uncle John kept the secret only for his nephew Donald ? 

Finally, doing some more research about the novel of Ingersoll Lockwood, I found that the book was referring to another Baron and his true story :

And what was the real Title of the book :

So nice to have you back with us,,,, It has been awhile.  minusculebeercheers

Yes, I also believe Tesla was a Genius and a very exciting person to learn about.
I think his Theory about everything being divided by 3 was correct.

Tesla also believed Time Travel was possible.

Now,,,,,,, Uncle Trump.

Quote:Who was Uncle John?
Physicist John Trump was the younger brother of Mr Trump's father, Fred.
John passed away in 1985 at the age of 78, according to an obituary in the New York Times.

He was a professor of engineering at the elite Massachusetts Institute of Technology for 44 years.
According to MIT, Prof Trump focused on high voltage phenomena, electron acceleration and the interaction of radiation with living and non-living matter. He also designed X-ray generators for cancer therapy.

During World War Two, Prof Trump researched radars for the Allies. When legendary physicist Nikola Tesla died in 1943, Prof Trump was asked by the FBI to examine Tesla's papers and equipment.

Prof Trump co-founded a company making generators for use in nuclear research, according to MIT archives.

Interesting, Uncle Trump got to look at N. Lesla's papers and equipment!! 
OK, the question is this, Did President Trump Really have a Time Travel Ring, given to him by the same Uncle Trump who got to review and study N. Tesla's equipment and papers.
The story goes like thing:

Quote:Trump’s relationship with Russia kicked into high gear when Putin stole his good friend Kraft’s superbowl ring.
Quote:This wasn’t just any old superbowl ring… it was actually Donald Trump’s time machine ring. Trump’s uncle, John G. Trump, was the man who the FBI brought in study Nikolai Tesla’s last notebooks and personal effects after he died on American soil.

They wanted to make sure Tesla’s research didn’t end up in the hands of the Russians.

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John G. Trump didn’t just study those artifacts… he took a few of them for safe keeping. A ring and an alarm clock were part of the package and they ended up in John’s favorite nephew, Donald’s possession.

They lived in a drawer for a few decades. But one day, before the Apprentice, when Trump was at his lowest, he was watchng a Back To The Future marathon.
In the first movie, the time machine is powered by a Tesla coil which reminded him of the ring and the alarm clock… and the second movie gave him the idea of what to do with it.

Quote:Robert Kraft and Trump were both seen with the ring a great deal over the next few years, when the Patriots just couldn’t stop winning the superbowl.
Quote:But when Putin stole the ring, Trump went into freak out mode. Now he’s more determined than ever to get it back. Everything is on the table — even nukes.

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Ohy, the book,,,,,
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Read more here: Source or you can order the book here: Source

This next video is actually, Good and Cute.

I don't this a time machine could be as small as a ring, but I do believe N. Tesla invented a Crude and Not Controllable Time Machine.
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Thanks Gohua...

Personnaly, I don"t believe in the theory about Uncle John and less more about his nephew Donald as a time traveller.

Instead, I think that Uncle John probably used Tesla' documents for their own purpose by sending some american' s soldier in the future like the video I mentionned.

Now, who really knows the real story of Tesla ?  The only thing that we know, was from the medias (controlled) and mentionned that Tesla was dead poor and alone in a chamber in N.Y.
After his death, the gouvernement emballed all his effets in 80 malles to send to the museum of Serbie.  How is it possible to live in chamber and have so many effects ?  That's impossible !

Now, what do we know about the real life of Tesla ?

In fact, there is a book written in 1959 by an american Margaret Storm and she mentionned that Tesla have been married in 1890, had a son and died very rich and many things that we did'nt know :

Is Tesla was really a lonely being living only in his lab?  I doubt very much after seeing this picture ....

Now, what do you think about this Tesla-files...

I understand that because Tesla did not sell his patents for a profit he was poor and he also left many of his Trunks of papers and belongings at other places he stayed to be held for rent he may have owed.
Here is a link to a Great Article: Nikola Tesla Threw Away A Billion

Tesla was a Genius that is a Fact, Tesla was a Visionary, Tesla was a Humanitarian.
I don't think he gave a lot of thought about Money. 

Also, I don't believe in the Uncle Trump Time Travel either.
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