Could Obama be working in his own sense of good faith?

[Wrabbit2000]

I have been pondering and wondering something for awhile now.....could Obama actually believe in the good of his actions? 

What has made me wonder about this is the immediate and vicious turn Iran took against him, and they really have gone on to make him look like a perfect horse's ass over the whole thing...without even having the decency to wait a polite period of time. I don't think Obama or Kerry saw this coming, or necessarily foresaw Saudi declaring nuclear capability or a good number of other things which have transpired. 

Could it be that in Cuba and perhaps with North Korea, the almost comically bad unintended consequences of the actions really ARE from the best of intentions?? 

I wonder if this is possible by the Bubble effect, and the fact Obama seems to have a real thing for firing people who don't tell him what he likes to hear. So, after so many years, it is reasonable to assume that he's narrowed things down to almost all 'yes men' who support his own ideas in an echo chamber.


This is important, in my personal view, because almost any stupidity can be pushed right into bad outcomes, if someone fails to see it is stupidity or it isn't from some 'grand plan' of higher purpose, as many assume exists out there. 


What if these people really are as naive or outright ignorant as they appear to be, are as shallow as we fear they are...and the bumbling fool routines are NOT near as much acting as we'd like to believe they are? 

I wonder if that possibility isn't far more disturbing than any idea of Illuminati or over-riding power structure?

[guohua]

He lives in the Obama Is Perfect Bubble, Obama Can Make No Mistake Bubble.
Here's your proof.

OBAMA: DON'T BLAME ME!

WTF? It's Bush's Fault?

President Obama on Thursday dismissed the notion that he’s responsible for the rise of Donald Trump, who has harnessed voter anger during his presidential run.

It's Been 7 years of total Failure for America. Who's To Blame? Putin?

He pointed a finger at conservative media and GOP leaders for fueling “a notion that everything I do is to be opposed; that cooperation or compromise somehow is a betrayal; that maximalist, absolutist positions on issues are politically advantageous; that there is a ‘them’ out there and an ‘us,’ and the ‘them’ are the folks causing the problems you’re experiencing.”

He cited the movement of people who question his birthplace as a prominent example of that phenomenon.

“I don’t think I was the one to prompt questions about my birth certificate, for example,” he said. “I don’t recall saying, 'hey, why don’t you ask me about that. Why don't you question whether I'm American or whether I'm loyal or whether I have America's best interests at heart?’”

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So nothing is his fault and never has been and you're right, he's a Victim of The White Middle Class He's Done His Best To Destroy!

[727Sky]

God.... although if religious, I would say the other guy must have liked the progressives for he sure made allot of them. History, and knowledge does not carry as much wait as feelings to those who think the way they do.. Obama was voted into office (voter fraud or a very week opposing candidate ?) twice.. Now we have Clinton with all that brings to the next party.. I am glad I moved.. No Sh*t.

If I played Obama golf for money I would watch him like a hawk for I just don't trust him.... sorry to say... and I would seriously kick his butt fair and square IMO.

[Mystic Wanderer]

To answer your question...  NO!  He knows exactly what he is doing! 

I read that he was groomed to take the POTUS chair ever since he was a child.  He was "placed" here to further an agenda, and he is doing a great job of it. 

I also read that the gooberment have been making clones for a very long time without public knowledge.  People in high places can be cloned while the real one sits safely in a bunker somewhere living it up. 

I think this clone just wasn't completed in the "brain" department before they sent it out.

[Wrabbit2000]

I think I also read somewhere that Bat Boy was last seen coming out of a barn outside Waukeegan, Michigan. Stories surely have different versions on that though, and we might want to wait for confirmation. ;) 

As for Obama.... I'm open to the idea that he is actually intelligent, aware of everything important (while spending 90% of his time in speeches, fundraisers or travelling between them) but he is NOT doing a great job of anything.

A great stooge would have weakened America without raising a central core of Americans almost militantly moving toward rebuilding our strength with serious urgency and purpose. A truly effective tool wouldn't have divided the nation so completely, without any apparent or tangible gains taken or had from it.....and there most definitely could have been gains taken by Obama....but have become lost opportunities, like so much else he's touched.

In the end, what exactly HAS Obama done in his 8 years? Many of his actions have suggested outcomes and things to come ..but what has he REALLY accomplished? 

* Russia is dramatically stronger in both tactical and strategic measures, with a fast world power status rebuilding around it. 

* China has gone from mildly belligerent but cautious under Bush, to openly menacing anything in the South China Sea, while all but claiming foundation for it being their own personal puddle to patrol. 

* Iran gave him a great nuke deal for legacy, indeed. Then broke the spirit of it, immediately, by launching and testing ballistic missiles their commanders openly state are designed for strikes inside territorial Israel. Now they are openly talking about walking away from the Nuke deal entirely. Why shouldn't they? We gave up EVERYTHING with NOTHING done, 100% up front....with a complete drop of sanctions, release of assets and welcome to commercial and military markets.

* North Korea went from a emerging nuclear question mark, to an established nuclear club member with a madman at the helm and quite likely, having made the first big leap from Atomic to Thermonuclear weapons. 

* Venezuela, Socialist heaven that it is, is in a state of near internal collapse as little things such as paper towels and diapers are coming to be items of luxury ...in a nation which is resource rich and strategic as all get out for using that (with anything like decent leadership) for national benefit. Hope and change strikes again, and  it struck them like an ACME safe falling from above. 

* North Africa is in dandy shape, from Tunisia to the Suez, with every single nation on the southern Mediterranean Coast having BEEN stable in 2008 and now all but one of them is in various states of internal unrest, outright collapse (Libya was starting to be called a Failed State this week) or general chaos.  

If this is success at ANYTHING, by ANYONE's conceivable agenda...who would it be, and to achieve what end? The degree of strategic instability around the world has made open world war more likely than its probably been since the height of the Korean war.  Even if Obama is working for foreign agendas......which one(s)? The POOR handling of US leadership has been SO poor, nations aren't under some shadowy control out there but as likely to go at EACH OTHER as they are to unite under something or against anyone else in particular. 

Domestically? We're at each others throats, the US is the lowest its been in real terms of productivity or industry since before World War II. Over half our nation sits on their butts, munching ding dongs and bon bons, watching the 20-teens equivalent of 'Days of our Lives'....and the giant sucking sound, over the world wide cries of despair is the vacuum of American leadership, as sure as the U.S. Carriers went to hide away in ports for the first time since 1941. 


If Obama is success.....for anyone...what does failure look like, exactly? Nuking ourselves by hapless misadventure?

[Mystic Wanderer]

I think I also read somewhere that Bat Boy was last seen coming out of a barn outside Waukeegan, Michigan. Stories surely have different versions on that though, and we might want to wait for confirmation. ;)

ROFL!  

Well, you know me... I'm here to give the "alternative thinker" something to ponder.
:thinking:

[atf1886]

Great thread Obama i a puppet just like billary is going to be I don't even know why people follow it anymore I heard it all before the dead fish has been flopping for a while...