History Has Been Made InThe US This Week

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I agree, in fact i don't think you should have to have a license at all, but here I might face some disagreement. I do agree that nut jobs and people that have committed and convicted of violent crimes using firearms or any short of weapon shouldn't be able to carry or even own one, that's just common sense.

Could make for some interesting debate.  I know I don't want strangers on my property carrying firearms. In fact, if you come up on my property toting, you might be surprised to find holes appearing all over yourself before you hear any words at all. I don't think the President should have strangers roaming around the White House carrying firearms ... he and his family live there. But, other government buildings ... why not?

I don't think felons should be prohibited from carrying firearms.  In fact, I think that's complete bullshit. Felons probably have a greater need for self-defense than Regular Joe. If you think there's going to be a future problem with a felon ... keep their ass behind bars ... where they belong. Once they've paid what they owe, they're square with the house and should be allowed to resume their lives ... not running on some second-chance bullshit.  If they're getting a second chance ... let 'em take it in another country ... but, better to just keep 'em locked away from the rest of us.

Imagine this scenario: When anyone is scheduled to be released from prison, they are forced to purchase a firearm and required to carry it for a week before being discharged.  Think how quickly the prison culture would reform itself. -chuckle

The people with firearms who scare me the most are the ones who don't realize how dangerous they (the untrained) actually are.

I know I don't want strangers on my property carrying firearms. In fact, if you come up on my property toting, you might be surprised to find holes appearing all over yourself before you hear any words at all. I don't think the President should have strangers roaming around the White House carrying firearms ... he and his family live there. But, other government buildings ... why not?

not carrying on someone else private property makes for good manners

I believe in good manners. A very good friend of mine told me he wasn't comfortable with me carrying when I visit his house. I wonder if he found it odd that I don't visit his house at all anymore. SOB carries when he comes 

Sorry for the delayed response, Brother.  Have been (and will continue to be) too busy for the Internet of late.  Am going to try and address parts of your post.  Forgive me if I dork up the format a bit.

if posted as gun free then it should be honored.

I disagree. No one should be able to declare anywhere a gun-free zone. What goes up right behind that declaration? Same thing they have on-post. A law that will see you on your way to prison.

three shootings come to mind in government buildings, the Census Bureau in 2015,  in the capitol building around 1998 or 99, where a nut job went in and shot two capitol police, another was the in the Navy Yard in DC in 2013 i think it was. there are other at the federal, state and local levels than have happened over the years. now granted they were already gun free zones, and that didn't stop people from doing it.

Nope. It didn't stop someone from doing it.

The shipyard incident is a stand-out for me. I personally knew one of the victims. Were I to hazard a guess, that individual was the one who inspired the shooter to act.

The shipyard being a gun free zone, no one (law abiding at least) had any ability to stop the shooter as he was stalking and murdering at his leisure. I would hate to find myself in such a situation. We come from similar backgrounds being armed and expected to use force of arms if (and when) required. I never got out of that mold.  Maybe I dealt with more bad people and lost almost all trust of 'em. I don't know. But, I do know there are incredibly bad people on the streets with us and in our offices. I'm never wearing sheep's clothing again (unless it's simply a disguise).

but say someone is carrying legally or by their right, and goes down to the courthouse, county clerks offices, or any other gov building to take care of some sort of business, something happens where the government screwed him over and he goes off ( it has been known to happen, i'm sure everybody here has been down to the court house, county clerks office, DMV and been told by one of the pencils pushers some that pisses you off and nothing you can do about it)  pulls his pistol empties the magazine, reloads and empties it a second time, killing bunch of people and wounding others before he is killed or captured by who ever, be it law enforcement or another armed citizen.  wouldn't that be a good enough reason to restrict even law abiding citizens from carrying in government buildings. if before he went in was stopped at the door and told to check his weapon or take it home and secure it. after all the people working there are not all assholes their just doing a job trying to make a living, now they are dead because some nut job or sane person who went off got in with a firearm.

That's a good argument. The flaw in it is that that same scenario could play out in Walmart or Krogers or anywhere.  No reason a government office should be 'protected' from a member of the public who is tired of being screwed over and then treated like a schmuck by some tax-payer funded ass-wipe.

And remember, your perp carrying in a pistol with high capacity mags is a lot easier to deal with than the guy who calmly walks out to his car, dons his tactical gear, and comes back armed with a rifle AND a pistol. Worse yet, if he were to come back with a couple of sympathetic friends.

on the convicted felon deal ... they have already shown they're not above using a weapon on someone

a gun is much easier to use than most of them other than a car, the others you have to get up close and personal. a car and firearm not so much.

I think we decide too easily that someone is a felon. As you've described above, there's no just cause for releasing a menace to society from prison. Once we've spent all the effort incarcerating these types ... it's just better to throw away the key.  They made their bed, now let 'em sleep in it.

OTOH, if I carry my firearm concealed into the commissary with no intention whatsoever of using it ... if caught ... you know they'll put me behind bars for five years and strip me of my rights.  And ... for what? Nothing? Not abiding by (what I consider) an arbitrary rule that makes other people 'feel' safer? There's no difference in me, as a person, who walked through those commissary doors with a badge and a gun twenty years ago ... as opposed to the guy whose badge has been retired from circulation and replaced with a LEOSA license.

And, we don't keep the car keys away from the released felon either. You probably brought that up knowing how much more dangerous a vehicle is compared to a tiny li'l ol' pistola.