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So you want to fly a helicopter in a war zone ?
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(03-13-2022, 11:09 AM)Kenzo Wrote:
(03-13-2022, 11:02 AM)Ninurta Wrote:
(03-13-2022, 09:23 AM)Kenzo Wrote:
(03-13-2022, 12:54 AM)727Sky Wrote: Bad tactics with 4 birds shot down.

That is from video game

If it's from a video game, it's a damned accurate one!

I've been on the receiving end of Russian Hiind attacks, and can confirm that the 12.5 mm nose mounted machine guns and rocket barrages from the wing mounted rocket pods are exactly as shown, both sound and fury. i;s hard to mistake those hornets flying past your ears.

It's a standard Russian 4 chopper attack flight, as seen in Afghanistan. I couldn't confirm the choppers - one looked like a Hind, but another looked like it might be a Havoc, and yet a third looked too wide in the body for either of those.

I watched it several times, but could only confirm 3 birds splashed, not 4.

So if it's a simulation, which it could be, it's a damned good one, My hat's off to the programmers.

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Another video from ARMA 3  game





I thought the video 727Sky posted was real too, but then read it`s from game

I'm watching the video, and am currently about half way though it, and am not convinced so far. Sky's video does not include ground based chain guns as the gamer video does. Sky's video shows 12.5 mm HMG tracer fire at the helicopters rather than a chain gun.The sky in the gamer video is "banded", as one would see in a GIF, but Sky's is not, The explosion blooms are not at all the same, nor are the flare ejections from the bird - the ones in the gamer video defy physics, but the ones in Sky's video do not. I'll continue watching, but so far it is not convincing.

ETA: I finished the gamer video, and found it unconvincing. the main ground based weapon in it was a chain gun, normally a helicopter based weapon except in Rambo movies. There were a few rockets sent at the helicopters, but they sounded like the BANG! of gunshots instead of the WHOOSH of rockets, in contrast to Sky's videos, which actually sounded like rockets being sent. I know that only because I've been on the giving end of the rockets being sent out, I can see where someone who hasn't might mistake it.

I do not understand why someone on the business end of a chain gun could miss the aircraft so badly, but some folks may just not be decent shots.OR - the physics in the game could be horrendously off. They might need to see to their physics engine. It's not all that difficult to walk a cone of fire from a chaingun to engulf a flying chopper, if you happen to have a chaingun handy.

Nossir, i don't believe the gamer video matches the actual video. However, I CAN see how a propagandist might try to throw the video under a bus, since the average gamer has never actually been on the sharp end, and doesn't understand that some real folks have, and so thinks he can get over on the average Joe.

I think you may have been taken in by propagansists., but it wouldn't be he first time.

It's possible that Sky's video is from a game - but it ain't the game being "propagandist pushed" if it is. They're going to have to try harder, and find a more accurate game. It's easy to be taken in if you've not been in the beaten zone, though, so I don't fault anyone that falls for it.

Right now, and still, to this day, both sides are throwing propaganda hot and heavy. The "video game" angle looks to me to be Russian propaganda, with intent to claim that Ukraine ISN'T really shooting birds down, while the guys on the ground know that they are. It's not the first time this playbook has been put into operation, nor will it be the last. Caveat emptor.

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Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king.

Said Aristippus, ‘If you would learn to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.’ Said Diogenes, ‘Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to be subservient to the king.’




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RE: So you want to fly a helicopter in a war zone ? - by Ninurta - 03-13-2022, 11:22 AM

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