Policy differences between Trump & Biden

[beez]

I'm starting this thread here, on Rogue Nation because I know there are more reasoned, rational people here.

Don't know who they are, but I'm sure they exist.



Trump versus Biden on policies.

Trump wants to lower taxes, stimulate business, reduce the size and scope of government.

Biden wants to raise taxes and grow the size and scope of government.

I know this is very general, but anyone who's anti-Trump, pro-Biden, please chime in.

I'd like to discuss policies instead of L'Orange man merde or Joey "Poopy pants" Biden.

[OmegaLogos]

Explanation: I will be playing devils advocate here ok @"beez" ... sigh   

There is an infinite amount of money in a fiat system [theoretically speaking] and hence that money is all worthless [theoretically speaking] in a supply and demand sense of value ... BUT it is limited [practically speaking] by how fast the money mills can print the $'s ... and those $'s still have a falsely perceived value by the public at large [practically speaking] ...

This can all be done away with by simply digitizing everything financial ... aka giving everybody a UBI = the current tax free threshhold per year [aka the mark of the beast] linked to vaxxinations via an electronic database that tracks you and all your spending habits.

The government gets to print as much money as it wants and needs for its own nefarious reasons ... therefor nobody needs to work ... nor will you be allowed to work as there are robots for those jobs ok.

And we come to  the lowest common denominator here ... can you all live on $12,000/per year per person?

Of Course We Can Afford A Universal Basic Income: Do We Want One Though?

Personal Disclosure: Welcome to the ghetto mentality and slide down the slippery slope of socialism into the ravenous jaws of communism Comrade!

[Mystic Wanderer]

One at the top of the list for me is:

Trump opposes abortion.

Biden thinks it's okay to kill them right after they are born.  SICK!

I'm sure I'll have more later when I'm not so busy.

[beez]

Explanation: I will be playing devils advocate here ok @"beez" ... sigh   

There is an infinite amount of money in a fiat system [theoretically speaking] and hence that money is all worthless [theoretically speaking] in a supply and demand sense of value ... BUT it is limited [practically speaking] by how fast the money mills can print the $'s ... and those $'s still have a falsely perceived value by the public at large [practically speaking] ...

This can all be done away with by simply digitizing everything financial ... aka giving everybody a UBI = the current tax free threshhold per year [aka the mark of the beast] linked to vaxxinations via an electronic database that tracks you and all your spending habits.

The government gets to print as much money as it wants and needs for its own nefarious reasons ... therefor nobody needs to work ... nor will you be allowed to work as there are robots for those jobs ok.

And we come to  the lowest common denominator here ... can you all live on $12,000/per year per person?

Of Course We Can Afford A Universal Basic Income: Do We Want One Though?

Personal Disclosure: Welcome to the ghetto mentality and slide down the slippery slope of socialism into the ravenous jaws of communism Comrade!

Wouldn't a UBI eliminate the entire concept of personal reliance, self determination?

[beez]

One at the top of the list for me is:

Trump opposes abortion.

Biden thinks it's okay to kill them right after they are born.  SICK!

I'm sure I'll have more later when I'm not so busy.

I see abortion as the indiscriminant ending of a human life.

I see it as a civil rights issue.

[OmegaLogos]

Wouldn't a UBI eliminate the entire concept of personal reliance, self determination?

Explanation: Yes! Yes it would.

Personal Disclosure: 'Personal' and 'self' are bad words in communism ... as they are both SELFISH!

Say bye bye individualism and hello this ...

[beez]

Wouldn't a UBI eliminate the entire concept of personal reliance, self determination?

Explanation: Yes! Yes it would.

Personal Disclosure: 'Personal' and 'self' are bad words in communism ... as they are both SELFISH!

Say bye bye individualism and hello this ...

Self reliance is hard.

Life is hard.

It really is.

Life is not easy.

And we run into problems when we artificially try to make it so.

I feel that we lose something of ourselves when we give up the freedoms to screw up.

Safety nets, nanny states don't create innovators.

They enable dependence.

[Mystic Wanderer]

One at the top of the list for me is:

Trump opposes abortion.

Biden thinks it's okay to kill them right after they are born.  SICK!

I'm sure I'll have more later when I'm not so busy.

I see abortion as the indiscriminant ending of a human life.

I see it as a civil rights issue.

You are right. I wasn't thinking; trying to figure out how to save an uploaded video.  That's what I get for trying to focus on two things at once.

I'll be back with something tomorrow. Cat is aggravating me on top of all this.  

[OmegaLogos]

Self reliance is hard.

Life is hard.

It really is.

Life is not easy.

And we run into problems when we artificially try to make it so.

I feel that we lose something of ourselves when we give up the freedoms to screw up.

Safety nets, nanny states don't create innovators.

They enable dependence.

Explanation: I dont deny any of what you say ok BUT any innovation will be outlawed and made a dirty word ok @beez .

Those problems are NOT your problems ..you belong to the state and its the states problems to do with.

Personal Disclosure: This simple eh ...

The left wing and right wing political axis is all about who owns the money ... You OR the State.

The authoritarian and libertarian political axis is all about who owns you ... You OR the State.

Under Communism ... the State owns both all the money and you ok.

Here is a map ok ... Left is left ... right is right .... up is authoritarian and down is libertarian ok.



Further reading ...

Cooking the Books on Tax and Liberty! Lets try a new recipe shall we?

[NightskyeB4Dawn]

I'm starting this thread here, on Rogue Nation because I know there are more reasoned, rational people here.

Don't know who they are, but I'm sure they exist.



Trump versus Biden on policies.

Trump wants to lower taxes, stimulate business, reduce the size and scope of government.

Biden wants to raise taxes and grow the size and scope of government.

I know this is very general, but anyone who's anti-Trump, pro-Biden, please chime in.

I'd like to discuss policies instead of L'Orange man merde or Joey "Poopy pants" Biden.

I find myself in the same boat I was in the last election. I don't want either.

I think the thing that bothers me the most about campaign promises is that, if the President has so much power and he can deliver on his promises, then why is our country is the condition that it's condition is in? Why hasn't every person elected President, just waved their magic wand and made it happen.

I think the last real President this country had was JFK. He told us why he couldn't do what he wanted to do for this country and they killed him. They will kill any other person that takes office and tries to buck them. So as far as I am concerned, the whole thing is a dog and pony show that we keep getting worked up about, when we know all we will see are people dressed up like donkeys and elephants singing the same songs and doing the same dance.

[beez]

I'm starting this thread here, on Rogue Nation because I know there are more reasoned, rational people here.

Don't know who they are, but I'm sure they exist.



Trump versus Biden on policies.

Trump wants to lower taxes, stimulate business, reduce the size and scope of government.

Biden wants to raise taxes and grow the size and scope of government.

I know this is very general, but anyone who's anti-Trump, pro-Biden, please chime in.

I'd like to discuss policies instead of L'Orange man merde or Joey "Poopy pants" Biden.

I find myself in the same boat I was in the last election. I don't want either.

I think the thing that bothers me the most about campaign promises is that, if the President has so much power and he can deliver on his promises, then why is our country is the condition that it's condition is in? Why hasn't every person elected President, just waved their magic wand and made it happen.

I think the last real President this country had was JFK. He told us why he couldn't do what he wanted to do for this country and they killed him. They will kill any other person that takes office and tries to buck them. So as far as I am concerned, the whole thing is a dog and pony show that we keep getting worked up about, when we know all we will see are people dressed up like donkeys and elephants singing the same songs and doing the same dance.

I would disagree only because we're dealing with knowns now.

We know what Trump will push and endorse.

We also know what Biden will push and endorse.

[NightskyeB4Dawn]

I'm starting this thread here, on Rogue Nation because I know there are more reasoned, rational people here.

Don't know who they are, but I'm sure they exist.



Trump versus Biden on policies.

Trump wants to lower taxes, stimulate business, reduce the size and scope of government.

Biden wants to raise taxes and grow the size and scope of government.

I know this is very general, but anyone who's anti-Trump, pro-Biden, please chime in.

I'd like to discuss policies instead of L'Orange man merde or Joey "Poopy pants" Biden.

I find myself in the same boat I was in the last election. I don't want either.

I think the thing that bothers me the most about campaign promises is that, if the President has so much power and he can deliver on his promises, then why is our country is the condition that it's condition is in? Why hasn't every person elected President, just waved their magic wand and made it happen.

I think the last real President this country had was JFK. He told us why he couldn't do what he wanted to do for this country and they killed him. They will kill any other person that takes office and tries to buck them. So as far as I am concerned, the whole thing is a dog and pony show that we keep getting worked up about, when we know all we will see are people dressed up like donkeys and elephants singing the same songs and doing the same dance.

I would disagree only because we're dealing with knowns now.

We know what Trump will push and endorse.

We also know what Biden will push and endorse.

And we know that if any changes are made, the people will get the crumbs, with the real benefits going to those already in power.

[beez]

I'm starting this thread here, on Rogue Nation because I know there are more reasoned, rational people here.

Don't know who they are, but I'm sure they exist.



Trump versus Biden on policies.

Trump wants to lower taxes, stimulate business, reduce the size and scope of government.

Biden wants to raise taxes and grow the size and scope of government.

I know this is very general, but anyone who's anti-Trump, pro-Biden, please chime in.

I'd like to discuss policies instead of L'Orange man merde or Joey "Poopy pants" Biden.

I find myself in the same boat I was in the last election. I don't want either.

I think the thing that bothers me the most about campaign promises is that, if the President has so much power and he can deliver on his promises, then why is our country is the condition that it's condition is in? Why hasn't every person elected President, just waved their magic wand and made it happen.

I think the last real President this country had was JFK. He told us why he couldn't do what he wanted to do for this country and they killed him. They will kill any other person that takes office and tries to buck them. So as far as I am concerned, the whole thing is a dog and pony show that we keep getting worked up about, when we know all we will see are people dressed up like donkeys and elephants singing the same songs and doing the same dance.

I would disagree only because we're dealing with knowns now.

We know what Trump will push and endorse.

We also know what Biden will push and endorse.

And we know that if any changes are made, the people will get the crumbs, with the real benefits going to those already in power.

Name me one ideology, one country, one time in history where that was not the case.

[Antisthenes]

One at the top of the list for me is:

Trump opposes abortion.

Biden thinks it's okay to kill them right after they are born.  SICK!

I'm sure I'll have more later when I'm not so busy.

1.3 percent of abortions performed in the United States in 2015 occurred in or after the 21st week of pregnancy. Abortions after 24 weeks comprise less than one percent of all abortions. When they occur, it is usually because the fetus has been found to have a fatal condition that could not be detected earlier, such as a severe malformation of the brain, or because the mother’s life or health is at serious risk. This is what Roe V. Wade and the SCOTUS consider "Late Term Abortion" and what Biden supports as well. Not tearing fully fomed fetus from women's wombs. If we are going to have a civil conversation about the OPs subject then facts will matter and hyoerbole going forward is bound to be counterproductive and problematic

[Wide-Eyes]

As We all already know, it really doesn't matter what Joe Biden's policies are...

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/kam...74741.html

[Antisthenes]

One at the top of the list for me is:

Trump opposes abortion.

Biden thinks it's okay to kill them right after they are born.  SICK!

I'm sure I'll have more later when I'm not so busy.

1.3 percent of abortions performed in the United States in 2015 occurred in or after the 21st week of pregnancy. Abortions after 24 weeks comprise less than one percent of all abortions. When they occur, it is usually because the fetus has been found to have a fatal condition that could not be detected earlier, such as a severe malformation of the brain, or because the mother’s life or health is at serious risk. This is what Roe V. Wade and the SCOTUS consider  "Late Term Abortion" and what Biden supports as well. Not tearing fully fomed fetus from women's wombs. If we are going to have a civil conversation about the OPs subject then facts will matter and hyperbolic rhetoric going forward is bound to be counterproductive and problematic

[beez]

One at the top of the list for me is:

Trump opposes abortion.

Biden thinks it's okay to kill them right after they are born.  SICK!

I'm sure I'll have more later when I'm not so busy.

1.3 percent of abortions performed in the United States in 2015 occurred in or after the 21st week of pregnancy. Abortions after 24 weeks comprise less than one percent of all abortions. When they occur, it is usually because the fetus has been found to have a fatal condition that could not be detected earlier, such as a severe malformation of the brain, or because the mother’s life or health is at serious risk. This is what Roe V. Wade and the SCOTUS consider  "Late Term Abortion" and what Biden supports as well. Not tearing fully fomed fetus from women's wombs. If we are going to have a civil conversation about the OPs subject then facts will matter and hyoerbole going forward is bound to be counterproductive and problematic

The unborn child is human.

The unborn child is living.

These are indisputable facts.

No emotions.
No religions.
No abstract ideology.

Abortion is the ending the existence of a living human at the discretion of the mother.

This is nothing but facts.

Not truths, not interpretations.

Facts.

[NightskyeB4Dawn]

beez

I agree. That is why I have no expectations of either candidate. I know both have their own agendas and they will do only what they are directed to do.

Those in power, control both sides of the aisle, it is just a game for them, a game where we provide the entertainment. 

Yes, it goes back a longs ways, and we never learn. Whether it is thumbs up, thumbs down, a trip to lion's den or "give us Barabas", they rule and we entertain.

[Antisthenes]

One at the top of the list for me is:

Trump opposes abortion.

Biden thinks it's okay to kill them right after they are born.  SICK!

I'm sure I'll have more later when I'm not so busy.

1.3 percent of abortions performed in the United States in 2015 occurred in or after the 21st week of pregnancy. Abortions after 24 weeks comprise less than one percent of all abortions. When they occur, it is usually because the fetus has been found to have a fatal condition that could not be detected earlier, such as a severe malformation of the brain, or because the mother’s life or health is at serious risk. This is what Roe V. Wade and the SCOTUS consider  "Late Term Abortion" and what Biden supports as well. Not tearing fully fomed fetus from women's wombs. If we are going to have a civil conversation about the OPs subject then facts will matter and hyoerbole going forward is bound to be counterproductive and problematic

The unborn child is human.

The unborn child is living.

These are indisputable facts.

No emotions.
No religions.
No abstract ideology.

Abortion is the ending the existence of a living human at the discretion of the mother.

This is nothing but facts.

Not truths, not interpretations.

Facts.

I respectfully disagree. I personally believe that every woman has the right to terminate her pregnancy in the first trimester. So consequently, Bidens supoort of a womans right to choose is obviously not a deal breaker for me nor is it for many others. This is a Nation of the Secular and the Religious. We need space and compromise for both to exist. Because without that compromise there will be no world worth living in for any of us. Regarding abortion, if you disagree, don't have one. If you believe in God, most dogma states that vengeance belongs to that god, so it will all be taken care of in the end. Everyone would be much better off if we just kept our own houses in order.

[OmegaLogos]

Disclaimer: I am not playing devils advocate anymore ok.


Explanation: @Antisthenes I respectfully disagree with you ... here is why ...

https://genius.com/Leonard-cohen-the-future-lyrics

Destroy another fetus now
We don't like children anyhow

I've seen the future, baby: It is murder

Personal Disclosure: ...

I personally believe that every woman has the right to terminate her pregnancy in the first trimester.

NO FUCKING WAY! THEY SHOULD KEEP IT IN THEIR PANTS AND NOT RESORT TO MURDER THAT I AM EXPECTED TO PAY FOR WITH MY TAXES!

I've seen the nations rise and fall
I've heard their stories, heard them all

But love's the only engine
Of survival

Life begins at conception ok ... here is why ...

LET THERE BE LIGHT! ...

For the first time, scientists have proven that when a human egg is fertilized, it releases what are called zinc sparks. Upon fertilization, calcium increases and zinc is rapidly released. When this happens, the zinc joins itself to small, light-emitting molecule probes.

https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-...ets-an-egg

Medical and Legal CAVEATS: I would allow abortions for medical reasons for the mother and for rape victims. Still don't want to pay for that but would allow it [aka a tax to pay for it] in the case of rape victims who have already been traumatized.

Thanks for sharing your point of view.