Quote:The use of medications to suppress puberty (puberty suppression or puberty blockers) in young people who identify as transgender (trans) or gender diverse (TGD) has generated ongoing debate in the media and bioethics literature. Puberty blockers are typically recommended as a treatment option for TGD young people who are experiencing gender dysphoria (roughly, distress associated with their body not matching their gender identity). Many TGD young people who take puberty blockers later decide to start hormone (testosterone or estrogen) treatment to bring about desired changes in their body. Others decide to stop taking puberty blockers, meaning that their body will re-enter the puberty consistent with the sex they were categorised as at birth (their ‘biological sex’). But what if a young person starts puberty blockers, and wishes to stay on them indefinitely?

We examine such a case in our Feature Article published in the Journal of Medical Ethics, titled ‘Forever young? The ethics of ongoing puberty suppression for non-binary adults.’ In this blog post, we explain how we became interested in this topic, summarise our key arguments, and highlight some of our related research.

(07-28-2020, 06:20 AM)Freija Wrote: I'm curious about your motivation for posting this, particularly without comment or an opinion.

(07-28-2020, 09:10 AM)Freija Wrote: I’m sure some would find my opinion about this to be offensive as well so for now, I’ll just throw a few other things out there for the sake of discussion.

First of all, the article and full linked paper involve a hypothetical case for the purpose of examining the bioethical concerns involved for medical professionals if they were presented with such a scenario.

For those that haven’t read the linked source, the proposed scenario was what if an 18 year old natal female that “identified” with the nebulous term of non-binary that somehow had been put on puberty blockers at age 11 (which IMO is an ethical concern in itself) was wishing to continue the use of “puberty blockers” so that they could prevent the development of secondary sexual characteristics and basically remain in a prepubertal state indefinitely into adulthood.

Ten of the twelve affiliated contributing authors of this exercise were from Australia. Up until very recently, lengthy and expensive court review and approval was necessary before even properly medically diagnosed legitimate trans youth could be put on so called puberty blockers so this what if scenario is planning for the eventuality that one day such a case may be presented.

That’s really all I’m going to add for now but it should be noted in wide ranging studies with large sample sizes, 80% plus of those claiming to have a “non-binary” identity are biological females and the ratio of girls wishing to transition into boys is double that of natal males going the other way when traditionally just the opposite was true.

This raises the bigger question of what we’re doing to young girls to make them reject womanhood?

(07-28-2020, 07:17 AM)guohua Wrote:

(07-28-2020, 06:20 AM)Freija Wrote: I'm curious about your motivation for posting this, particularly without comment or an opinion.

I would think, @"kdog"  was looking for someone else to comment, simply because he has no idea what to say, like me, I would hate to offend someone with what I thought about this.

I personally think most young people don't Know WTF is going on because they are following a trend of types, they want to feel different or like they belong to a victimize group so they can whine and cry about not being Loved or Appreciated or Understood.

I personally think their Asses Need To be Drafted into a Military Service and taught responsibility and discipline and some self worth. 
But I don't want to make people here feel uneasy by me giving my opinion which is normally not with the current trend and kind of harsh.

(07-28-2020, 09:10 AM)Freija Wrote: I’m sure some would find my opinion about this to be offensive as well so for now, I’ll just throw a few other things out there for the sake of discussion.

(07-28-2020, 01:21 PM)Wallfire Wrote: Strange thing I was involved in a discussion about why so many young girls are rejecting women hood. One reason given was that so many men from ME and African countries have been let in and given free hands to continue raping and oppressing women and children that the young girls no longer feel safe anywhere. The governments dont protect them nor can the police, so the young girls see only a future of rape oppression and been used for sex. Not something any one wants to look forward to.

(07-28-2020, 01:44 PM)Snarl Wrote: People are making too much of an issue with 'all this crap' lately.  It hasn't been this much of an issue for thousands and thousands of years ... so, why all of a sudden?

’Snarl’ Wrote:I haven't given a Lot of thought to all of these things.  I won't either.

’Snarl’ Wrote:As far as the ability for people to make informed and 'wise' decisions: Maybe we ought'a stop and think about that before spouting off.  We both know how old we are, @"Freija" , and I freely admit I _don't_ have the wisdom to make such calls.  Do you think _any_ child does?

(07-28-2020, 03:59 PM)Freija Wrote:

’Snarl’ Wrote:I haven't given a Lot of thought to all of these things.  I won't either.

Probably for the best? It’ll save you a lot of grief!

(07-28-2020, 01:21 PM)Wallfire Wrote: Strange thing I was involved in a discussion about why so many young girls are rejecting women hood. One reason given was that so many men from ME and African countries have been let in and given free hands to continue raping and oppressing women and children that the young girls no longer feel safe anywhere. The governments dont protect them nor can the police, so the young girls see only a future of rape oppression and been used for sex. Not something any one wants to look forward to.

Quote:Crap like this is probably why I'm not afraid to die.

(07-28-2020, 01:44 PM)Snarl Wrote:

(07-28-2020, 09:10 AM)Freija Wrote: I’m sure some would find my opinion about this to be offensive as well so for now, I’ll just throw a few other things out there for the sake of discussion.

Well ... I ain't skeered ... LOL

People are making too much of an issue with 'all this crap' lately.  It hasn't been this much of an issue for thousands and thousands of years ... so, why all of a sudden?

I haven't given a Lot of thought to all of these things.  I won't either.

I think guys took a little girl's chastity way too seriously ... with false shock and drama (from both genders) ... when their post-pubescent daughters started humpin'.  That's how you wind up with 30YO grandmothers running around (and around here it seems to be relatively common).

What I notice is this: There don't seem to be any extreme health concerns with grandma, daughter or granddaughter.  I don't see the autism incidence that I do in womenz who wait into their 30s to start makin' babies.

Where's @"rickymouse"? I'd like to know what he thinks.

As far as the ability for people to make informed and 'wise' decisions: Maybe we ought'a stop and think about that before spouting off.  We both know how old we are, @"Freija" , and I freely admit I _don't_ have the wisdom to make such calls.  Do you think _any_ child does?

(07-28-2020, 06:20 AM)Freija Wrote: I'm curious about your motivation for posting this, particularly without comment or an opinion?

(07-28-2020, 10:42 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote: Social media is all about influence. The new trending job, title, avenue to fame, is "social media influencer". I would not want to be or have a child in our society today. The world is full of malcontents that are constantly looking for validation and acceptance. In a world where almost everyone wants to be something other than who they are, and are so unaccepting of the way they look, how can our children not be affected?

People have been taught to believe they are flawed, and in order to be desirable, and accepted, you have to fit neatly into a selected box. The health and beauty industry makes a fortune off of convincing people that they need corrections to their bodies. The color of their skin is imperfect, the color of their hair, their teeth, their noses, their bellies, their hips, their breast. There are even Doctors doing cosmetic surgery on healthy children without any medical problems what so ever. They are just not happy with how they look.

Children in this society are expected to be smarter, prettier and better, while constantly being told they are stupid, inadequate, and incompetent. In a world were few people even know who they are, how do the children stand a chance? It kind of makes it easy to see why they may want to be anything or anyone other than what the world says they should be.

(07-28-2020, 10:45 PM)guohua Wrote: I suppose they could after the age of 18 select to take Puberty Suppressions and go to the philippines and other countries and become a ladyboy.
 Filipino Ladyboys Yes that is a male or use to be. I think @"727Sky"  can vouch for Ladyboy in his area of the World.

I guess there would be reasons for a gay male to start taking those meds for money reasons.

But it is Highly Unethical for a Doctor to subscribe these meds to someone under 18 years of age and then not without a mental evaluation JMHO.