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RE: Brexit: UK votes to leave EU in historic referendum - Mystic Wanderer - 06-28-2016 Quote:BREXIT The above article is from Project Camelot. I like to look "behind the door" to see what could be going on. :smallwink: I've heard some "insiders" say that the Brexit was needed as a first step to take the Cabal down. If that's the case, then I see victory in sight. Here is a podcast from Ground Zero with Clyde Lewis: LINK Here is an article from Benjamin Fulford about this: Quote:The real reason for the ongoing trouble in the European Union, including the recent vote by the British people to leave the bloc, is that the EU is bankrupt. We know in retrospect that the bankruptcy of the Soviet Union was the real reason the Warsaw pact fell apart, with Poland acting as the first domino. For the same reason, we can predict England was the first domino in the collapse of the European Union. Read the full article: LINK RE: Brexit: UK votes to leave EU in historic referendum - Armonica_Templar - 06-28-2016 Cameron runs EU gauntlet after Brexit vote Quote:View photos Notice the tude from the other counntries and the choices of words Uhm what if one country wanted to trade with the UK.. Are they NOT allowed to? Wonder why Britian left?? RE: Brexit: UK votes to leave EU in historic referendum - Armonica_Templar - 06-29-2016 I do not even know where this one goes Does it go here or in Propaganda It’s Time for the Elites to Rise Up Against the Ignorant Masses Quote:The Brexit has laid bare the political schism of our time. It’s not about the left vs. the right; it’s about the sane vs. the mindlessly angry. Holy F@#$ing S#$% !!! Wow, I put it here because it is spill over from Brexit
No clearer mean can be extolled here "Let them eat Cake." NOTE: This was created under fair use for the intent of shared information and debate RE: Brexit: UK votes to leave EU in historic referendum - guohua - 06-29-2016 It goes here,,, they are spinning the World Will End! RE: Brexit: UK votes to leave EU in historic referendum - Ninurta - 07-02-2016 (06-25-2016, 09:48 PM)BIAD Wrote: Here's one that shows the average mentality of people today. I had not heard about the French voters, but I DID hear that it was discovered that 30,000 votes on that petition came from a town of 800. I scratched my head a moment, and decided that I might need to go back to university for a refresher course in maths, because I'm certain now that I don't have a firm grasp on the "New Math". The idea of demanding re-vote after re-vote until you get the results you want seems to be the going thing in 21st century politics. I blame that on the scientists of the 80's and 90's, because i witnessed them repeating experiment after experiment until they got the results they wanted to "prove" whatever the fad point of the moment was... they seem to have come up with the idea. "Keep doing it until you get it right", eh? That saying was good enough for my math teacher in school (the one with those long, LONG legs!), so it's good enough for the 21st century, isn't it? RE: Brexit: UK votes to leave EU in historic referendum - Ninurta - 07-02-2016 (06-25-2016, 09:59 PM)Minstrel Wrote:(06-25-2016, 09:48 PM)BIAD Wrote: ...What isn't said is that only 35,000 are British signatures and 13,000 of them are French. They do, of course - that's exactly why they are trying to stack the deck against Britain and keep the British in EU-forged chains. RE: Brexit: UK votes to leave EU in historic referendum - BIAD - 07-02-2016 (07-02-2016, 01:43 AM)Ninurta Wrote: They do, of course - that's exactly why they are trying to stack the deck against Britain and keep the British in EU-forged chains. I've always stood by this quote because it's a good one. 'The likelihood of one individual being right increases in direct proportion to the intensity with which others are trying to prove him wrong.' RE: Brexit: UK votes to leave EU in historic referendum - BIAD - 07-03-2016 As seen from the link, protesters against the vote to leave the European Union came out in their droves on Saturday with the unified call that the referendum didn't go the way they wished and demand another one. The BBC. This type of 'It's not fair'-attitude after seeing democracy take place, also shines a light on how current society has mutated from an animal that tends to enjoy it's hibernation in the cavern of ignorance -into a petulant child-like creature that demands it's own way and calls it freedom of choice. Sadly, it's a global disease. A couple of generations that have been cotton-wooled in a false environment of middle-class luxury and now, because their lives are strewn with straw-man, negatively-spoken lableing techniques and the insecure need to win an argument at any cost, to see the real action of free-will is something that undermines their cosseted existence. Homeless people smell and foreigners are okay as long as they don't live next to me, this is something that these protesters would never say because their warm comfortable world is so out of reach of anyone struggling in society, the unwashed, ignorant people would never stand a chance on getting on the same rung of the social ladder. And that's the truth, an ugly truth that's buried deep in their core and to some, unknown yet. You're asked to vote and it's agreed that majority succeed in a two-way decision. There's no 'Yeah, but...' or 'What about my point of view...?' when a country is required to make a serious decision. This isn't a school-yard where choices are based on selfish needs, it's the real world and let's be candid here, you're damned lucky to be even given the decision-making opportunity. If any of the protesters looked up from their egotistical, materialistic-yearning lives and straighten their frowned-features from realising that nobody is commenting on their Facebook page regarding their valour of meeting up in the capital city, they'd see the leader of their querulous rally to have their own way, just happens to be a millionaire. Do you think Bob will be taking immigrants in? If we accept that Governments around the world have a One-World agenda and that aliens are whispering to our leaders... if we sometimes wonder if this reality really belongs to Lizard-people and terrible clandestine plots take place with the mainstream media being gagged by a handful of money, then surely the secretness and the guile level wouldn't have to be too high when attempting these actions under the noses of the spoil brats that condone rallies such as these. Grow up, for heaven's sake! (...And lose the face-paint, huh? At least act like yer' serious.) RE: Brexit: UK votes to leave EU in historic referendum - BIAD - 07-04-2016 What isn't discussed in the standard media circles is the out-right lying that went on by both side of the EU referendum debate. Sure, the idiot-MSM take shots at the £350 million promised from the weekly EU payment going to the creaking National Heath Service that was daubed on the 'Brexit' bus, but that's about it. So who was right and who was telling porkie-pies...?(Cockney-rhyming slang for lies) They dare not say, the scribes of the news and Town Criers of the television... it's not how we do things, it's just not cricket. Politics is such a sleazy profession, huh?! But every so often... EU a CIA Project. RE: Brexit: UK votes to leave EU in historic referendum - BIAD - 07-11-2016 Here's an oldie-but-a-goodie from 2014 and shows the ridiculous lengths the powers that reside in the EU will go to. The super powerful vacuums you should Hoover up - before the EU bans them! The Daily Mail. RE: Brexit: UK votes to leave EU in historic referendum - guohua - 10-14-2016 BUMP :smallimpatient: Yeah That's What I'm Doing! OK, I'll have to wait for Gordis and BIAD Thoughts on these headlines. Quote:Scotland Plans New Independence Referendum from U.K. Over BrexitThat's right. Quote:LONDON — Scotland is drawing up plans for a vote on independence from the rest of Britain over Brexit, deepening the political fallout from the U.K.'s decision to quit the European Union. I thought we had a thread on this before but I couldn't find it. Quote:However, Britain's decision in June to quit the EU may shift attitudes in Scotland, which voted to remain in Europe in now faces losing access to the single market because the U.K. as a whole voted to leave.I'll attach the source so you all can read about this and see the chart. Source I don't know if it's a good idea or not, I don't live there and I don't know what their export or job futures look like. RE: Brexit: UK votes to leave EU in historic referendum - gordi - 10-14-2016 (10-14-2016, 01:53 AM)guohua Wrote: BUMP :smallimpatient: Yeah That's What I'm Doing!...... Hi MrsG, A very quick summary: The political scene in the UK is dominated by England, because England has 10 times the population of Scotland (or Wales or N.Ireland). The 2014 referendum on Scottish Independence came about because a large percentage of the Scottish population were less than pleased about continually being marginalised by the London-centric political systems in place at the UK parliament in Westmisnter (London). At every major general election, you could completely remove the Scottish votes and it would make no difference whatsoever to the overall outcome of that election, despite Scots continually displaying very different voting patterns from the rest of the UK. (In other words - It doesn't matter how the people of Scotland vote in UK elections or referendums, we ALWAYS get railroaded by the "majority" vote from England.) This has led to a situation where the SNP (Scottish National Party) now hold 56 of the 59 Scottish seats at the UK parliament. We are not anti-English or even anti-UK. We are simply fed up with not having a voice. Our country is continually dragged in directions we don't want to go. We even get dragged into illegal wars by a UK government that we didn't vote for! There is a very strong suspicion that the 2014 Independence referendum was rigged in some way. If you talk to people on the street or in the internet forums here... the vast majority seem to favour Independence. Of the people that I know personally who have declared a preference one way or the other, the ratio is about 10:1 in favour of Independence!! My gut feeling is that the true figure is probably around 70:30 in favour of Independence, but that was NOT reflected in the 2014 vote. I have NO IDEA where all the extra NO votes came from. BREXIT is a f*cking disaster. 64% of Scots voted against it, yet here we are once again getting dragged in a direction that we don't want to go in. Many of the people who voted to leave the EU did so on the back of a campaign of fear. Fear of Immigration and terror, created by those in power. The campaign wasn't based on factual information, it was dominated by fear mongering and mud-slinging and again I am gobsmacked that the overall vote was to Leave the EU. It came as quite a shock. Maybe I am just "out of touch". I am sick and tired of having no voice. The majority of UK voters have apparently decided to leave the EU. Fair enough (if it wasn't rigged) Most of those who voted to Leave have cited "control of our own destiny/borders" and "not being ruled from Brussels (EU)" as the main reasons for doing so... Yet these same people SLATED the people of Scotland for stating almost the EXACT same reasons for wanting Scottish Independence from the UK. They want "Independence" from the EU dragging THEM in a direction they don't want to go in (e.g. with Immigration, open borders etc) But cannot see any logic in Scotland wanting "Independence" from the UK dragging us in directions that we don't want to go in (e.g. with Agriculture/Fisheries policies, Transport, Education, Defence, Immigration, etc etc) In my opinion it's hypocritical at best. Anyway, my fear is that Scottish "Indyref 2" will just fizzle out... I fear that we have just about given up. "What's the point?" "They're never going to let it happen" etc. The people are sick and tired of these referendums now, and they NEVER seem to go the way that we vote anyway???? Everyone is disillusioned. Deflated. If Scotland had voted for Independence in 2014. We would currently be negotiating our CONTINUED membership of the EU from within the EU, Independent of the UK. Now, we are faced with being dragged out of the EU against our will, and then MAYBE voting for Scottish Independence from the UK... and then applying to re-join the EU from the outside... which would involve much more negotiations and penalties. That's why there's talk of rushing through a 2nd Independence referendum sooner rather than later, but I fear that it's already too late as the UK are going to invoke the process for leaving the EU early next year, and once that's done Scotland will be in the horrible position of trying to organise an Independence referendum DURING UK negotiations to leave the EU, despite us wanting to stay!!!! It's unbearable. OK, enough for now. (So sorry for the rant, but it drives me MAD!) kindest regards, G RE: Brexit: UK votes to leave EU in historic referendum - guohua - 10-14-2016 I think you were getting your feeling of your Chest, Nothing to be Sorry About, Now I understand better and you feel like most of us here do, Our Votes Haven't Counted and our Laws are not being followed by those you are suppose to assure our safety and freedom, Open Borders and giving illegals Picture ID and Drivers Lic. are not Obeying Our Laws. I understand, you want your Voice To be Heard For Your own Country and it Path, We Want our Country Back! RE: Brexit: UK votes to leave EU in historic referendum - BIAD - 10-14-2016 (10-14-2016, 06:43 AM)gordi Wrote: ...It's unbearable. I read and re-read your post and all I can say as a UK resident and someone not too-far from Scotland -and yet, far away from London that I'm deemed English and I don't count either, is... You're right! I would like to believe that the majority of English people voted to leave the European Union because of the inherent failings Westminster have shown for the regions outside of London and I agree with you that the referendum campaigns (from both sides) were delivered in a low-brow manner. Scotland has always had the sh*t-end of the stick when it comes to decision-making for the UK and in a lesser-sense, the North-West and North-East of England. Wales and Northern Ireland don't have a look-in either. Isn't it strange that the further you are from the English capital -the crappier deal you get? Maybe it's the change-over from heavy industry to banking that has something to with it...? And by the way, where is the banking communities situated? If I was to be fair-minded and a little naive, I would suggest that any hesitation offered by Scottish voters in the Independence Vote may have come from the fact of the massive loss of ship building and other heavy industries. This could have an effect on what would be available to operate as an independent country. But knowing what these money-grabbing, 'jobs-for-the-boys' bastards down here are up to, I'd say that there's an amount of corruption going on to thwart the Scottish people's wishes. One's views are prominently formed by external information and is their any evidence that the media are involved...? Who pays the BBC? Who owns the newspapers? Where are the story-makers situated in the UK? To be reluctant to leave the UK because the wish of independence is one thing, but to be forced to agree to everything the UK does because of by-gone dealings is another. And that's the grey-area where the English politicians want to play in. It's still sadly, a tribal-thing. RE: Brexit: UK votes to leave EU in historic referendum - BIAD - 10-14-2016 Here's an article from The Telegraph that shows -in my opinion, the subtle way a that the media ridicule and down-play any serious views on corruption in regards of the Scottish Independence Referendum. 'The SNP's very Scottish conspiracy...' Christ, even the headline shout's 'tin-foil hat' straight out of the gate! So can we confirm that this alleged conspiracy is 'very Scottish'?! I'll take it in good-faith that you don't actually mean that Scotland has the monopoly on vote-rigging! SOURCE: 'As its supporters insist that MI5 rigged the Scottish referendum, voting SNP now requires faith in the unbelievable, says Andrew Gilligan. With its tearooms and old-fashioned shops, the attractive town of Dunoon, in Argyll, seems to epitomise Scottish moderation and common sense. Making it sound quaint and therefore, mild and harmless... the manner of a minority. But alongside the window displays of country wear and fresh mackerel, there are some much weirder goods on offer...' Weirder...?! Really? You've already took the p*ss with the 'window display/mackeral' comment and yet, you still want to pile on the scorn that researchers of Area 51 are accustomed to! But please, continue with your tongue-in-cheek description of a 1970's small Scottish village that lies beyond the complex bureaucracy of domestic and foreign affairs. Maybe mention a chuckling stream or the way the heather blows along a glen?!! '...In the front window of Dunoon’s Scottish National Party campaign base, alongside posters and canvassing information for the local SNP candidate, Brendan O’Hara, they’re displaying for sale a new pamphlet which describes in detail how MI5 and John McTernan, chief of staff to Jim Murphy, the Scottish Labour leader, “rigged” last year’s independence referendum by creating thousands of fake No ballot papers.' Well obviously it's a lie. Such a secretive act would be exposed by those who are elected to make sure this kind of sinister plot could not happen. So... who would be watching in such a cynical manner...? Who could be possibly doubting a fair exercise in democracy? '...The authors, nationalist activists from Argyll, first suspected the existence of the “McTernan Plan”, as they call it, on the night of the count...' Oh I see, they're National Activists! We've named them...! Implying to the reader that there' a certain 'sect' of people who may -because their title suggests, may have another agenda! It's just a shame that nobody else believes in vote-rigging and also dare to think that it could happen in a western, civilised nation. '...Their “extensive canvass returns” had left them “confident of success” in the area, but when the postal vote came in they were “astounded” to discover it was 70-30 against independence. What’s more, the postal voter turnout in Argyll was 96.4 per cent. “We had never before heard of such a high return in any democratic election,” they said...' It could be nothing more than any research of the feelings in Argyll was wrong and since we cannot confidently predict with certainty what people really think, we're left with the rational and conformist view that everyone interested in the outcome was wrong. '...The activists’ suspicions hardened when they learned that Mr McTernan, then a Labour commentator, had appeared on TV four days before the referendum saying that “postal votes are running very strongly towards No.”...' I'll take that back, obviously there is a such a person! '...“I couldn’t work out how it was possible to interfere on any scale with the postal ballot,” Andy Anderson, one of the authors, told the Telegraph. “You need the ballot paper number, the signature and date of birth of the voter. Then it occurred to me. All that information went into a computer – and who’s at the other end of the computer in London? MI5.”...' And there you have it, the outcome was arrived at away from the original vote! But come on... I mean, are you telling me that an agency of the 'English' Government subverted a vote of another country to favour their masters? Pakistan, Italy, Gabon, Korea and the USA, anyone? The reality is that such acts are obviously secret and any interaction from the public with these clandestine operations tends to only be shown in fictional books and movies. Ergo, any claims that this occurs, opens up the claimant to comments that they're unable to distinguish fact from fiction and this -to anyone reading or listening to a Journalist's interview would be forced to believe it was all 'poppycock'... an english word meaning nonsense. So to make sure the nails are firmly hammered into Mr. Anderson's coffin full of conspiracies, the Journalist -Andrew Gilligan who's known for: 'Andrew Gilligan is London editor for the Sunday Telegraph. He writes, among other things, about London, Westminster and politics.' ...explains how Andy Anderson must be incorrect. 'Rather more likely, of course, is that the Yes campaign’s canvas returns were wrong. The overall No vote in Argyll and Bute was a convincing 58.5 per cent, on an 88.2 per cent turnout, with the vast majority of votes cast in person. Postal voters are often more conservative than in-person voters, since they are older and more rural. And postal vote turnouts are always higher than overall turnouts; those motivated enough to apply for a postal vote are also more motivated to use it. Mr McTernan’s foreknowledge is easily explained, too: though the postal votes were not actually counted until referendum night, they were opened beforehand, with campaign representatives present and able to peek at where people put their crosses. The No margin of victory was almost 400,000 votes, so MI5 would have had to visit an awful lot of postboxes.' Yeah, that's why Mr. Anderson's claims must be wrong, huh?! It's silly to think someone would act this way and therefore it's sillier to think these things. The only crazier notion is to believe in them, so move along people... look, a celebrity!! The saying that my quoted far above this post is still poignant when it comes to reading counter-claim written in such an easy, cloyed manner. 'The likelihood of one individual being right increases in direct proportion to the intensity with which others are trying to prove him wrong.' RE: Brexit: UK votes to leave EU in historic referendum - BIAD - 10-14-2016 'US banks plan ahead for UK exit from EU' 'Wall Street banks are drawing up preliminary plans to move some London-based activities to Ireland to address concerns that the UK is drifting apart from the EU. People familiar with Bank of America, Citigroup and Morgan Stanley told the Financial Times that they considered Ireland a favorable location for some of their European business if they needed to move them out of the UK. One said he was already planning to move some activities to Ireland. The people said their plans were in most cases still at very early stages. But they said the US banks had started preparing for the euro zone's impending banking union that threatens to isolate Britain and, ultimately, for a possible UK exit from the EU...' SOURCE: RE: Brexit: UK votes to leave EU in historic referendum - 1984hasarrived - 10-14-2016 I have applied for an Irish passport, waiting with fingers crossed :) RE: Brexit: UK votes to leave EU in historic referendum - gordi - 10-14-2016 (10-14-2016, 11:26 AM)BIAD Wrote: .... Yup, yup and yup! The actual authors of that piece were not Nationalists by the way! It came from the "Labour for Independence" movement (Labour supporters who also wanted an Independent Scotland) They saw very strange voting patterns which didn't match any of the canvassing, then looked a bit deeper. The document referred to actually PROVES voter fraud. There has never been an electoral turnout higher than about 80% in any domestic electoral vote. Never. But here we are to believe that it was over 96%?? The Labour For Independence guys delved a bit deeper, looking at the Argyll constituency, the number of eligible voters, the number of Deaths recorded in the months between Election voter registration (for the postal votes) and the actual dates when votes were allowed to be cast, as well as the movement of people in and out of Argyll during that period... Turns out... if you include the deaths and gross migration of eligible persons out of Argyll during the period in question... you don't even have 96% of the originally eligible voters still residing in Argyll!!! IT IS IMPOSSIBLE THAT OVER 96% OF THOSE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE ACTUALLY VOTED, BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T 96% OF THEM STILL THERE COME POSTAL VOTING or IN PERSON VOTING TIME! RE: Brexit: UK votes to leave EU in historic referendum - guohua - 10-14-2016 DAMN and I thought Our Political Process and How Influence What Was Bad Here . OH and @"1984hasarrived" good luck with that Passport. RE: Brexit: UK votes to leave EU in historic referendum - BIAD - 10-14-2016 (10-14-2016, 12:40 PM)gordi Wrote: IT IS IMPOSSIBLE THAT OVER 96% OF THOSE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE ACTUALLY VOTED, BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T 96% OF THEM STILL THERE COME POSTAL VOTING or IN PERSON VOTING TIME! I hope you realise that my responses to that Telegraph article were heavy with sarcasm?! You know and I know that the vote was rigged. |